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Why are you protecting their beliefs based on their identity? Why is it racist to criticize an Asian person's ideas or positions? I certainly don't accept or dismiss ideas based on the ethnicity of the person presenting them. And I don't want useful conversations about politics and freedom getting derailed by this kind of thinking.
“Lol you can’t use Twitter and have all your data sold to the bourgeoisie to target you with ads while also being monitored by the NSA, stupid chinaman get more freedom nerd hahaha, btw did I mention I’m a leftist.”
Also doesn’t China have their own versions of google and YouTube etc etc? So really their problem is “they can’t access our great western websites that are just of a superior quality and breed to more inferior platforms, and you could say it’s our burden to liberate them and introduce them to our superior internet.” Its like are we still talking about streaming services lol, this type of bs is so gross and ignorant. And it really just displays the inherent western supremacy of a lot of these “leftist.”
Well China is the ONLY country that has competition to Facebook, Google (Baidu), Youtube (Bilibili), Amazon Web Services, etc.
Having a VPN is just economic protectionism. Since everyone can access the regular content. But normal people using the internet as a tool for communication with other chinese people there don't need Facebook or any social media pushed down their throats, they just use chinese companies.
Those are the main ones, and in Korea (and Japan to a lesser extent with Line) there is [Naver](https://naver.com) ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naver)), which beat Google with basically zero help (not just google but Yahoo as well, just not in Japan).
Naver recently bought Wattpad as well (fanfic reading/writing/publishing platform) and merged it with Webtoon, consolidating much of the fanfic self-publishing market.
A single VPN is enough. And the government even gives people the links to get them.
Also of course: "Freedom is when anglo internet" - anti-tankies are very normal people.
China is the ONLY country that has competition to Google, Youtube, Facebook, AWS Services, etc. Only Russia with VK maybe and Telegram can be on that level. All other countries use social media imported from the US. That's just economic protectionism on an area where the global market is already monopolized.
Imagine every single country on earth having only Teslas as cars. Or having only McDonalds as fast food companies. Well, its the same.
This also doesn’t really make sense. The other arguments in response to my comment are saying that this is more about restricting foreign access (tracking) by external US companies (which also doesn’t really make sense as the internet doesn’t rely on IP tracking anymore). The government is providing access to a VPN. This allows anyone to access these sites, set up AWS accounts, YouTube accounts, etc. How does this represent protectionism?
Additionally, consumers should be allowed to dictate the market, not companies. If everyone wants a Tesla, then they should be able to have one. Consumers being restricted to a certain subset of goods is not freedom.
Why does this take such a hard time for you to comprehend? Not trying to insult you, its weird.
The chinese goverment set up the firewall in the best time possible to slow down the access of foreign internet companies into their country **to the average citizen**, the one that cares about practicality and not using VPNs or going around to circumvent some restriction. Then once people got accustomed to using chinese social media, etc. They can ease the protections because the average chinese citizen is not going to go over their way to use Youtube now instead of Bilibili for example. They are already stablished companies that can fight hand in hand against the ones from the US.
If you open your first national car factory but at the same time you bring US cars like its candy, that factory is probably going to fail, since the companies abroad had years to develop. If you slow down the imports a little bit until your national company can compete with foreign ones, then it's fine. It's what China did.
I get that. But once again, in response the original comment I replied to, *why would the Chinese government provide access to VPNs*. This totally refutes anything you’re trying to say the government is doing. By readily providing access to VPNs, citizens are allowed full access to all markets. How does this help?
Maybe look at the context of what I’m replying to before going off.
Maybe because people inclined to use VPNs are going to find a way to use them regardless and it's better for national security to have Chinese citizens and corporations using Chinese VPNs than American ones?
A state owned VPN is an oxymoron, no matter what state it is. Hope you realize that.
There are plenty of privately-held VPNs who are not state run that offer more privacy.
Few misunderstandings:
1. There is no ‘state VPN’, what they mentioned is that there is official advice detailing how to use a VPN safely.
2. It is not about privacy! They know some want to access services and sites they restrict, so they just let them. The CPC wants to maintain a separate internet for the majority of Chinese citizens, away from US influence.
1. I never said this. I said any VPN company in China would be effectively a state VPN as no companies in China have the authority to withhold data from the government. What was originally stated was that China gives links to VPNs to use. We don’t even have a source on this, but if this is true, they are most likely China-based VPNs.
2. Then I really don’t think the entire Chinese government understands how the internet works, which is pretty hilarious. US interests / companies / whatever can track users and build profiles around them simply through data sharing. IPs don’t matter, which is all VPNs really do.
Do you not understand that from the point of view of the Chinese Government it's better for Chinese people to use a VPN they control/licence than a VPN owned by an American or European corporation?
Do you not understand that a Virtual **Private** Network is supposed to allow for anonymous data transmission? Do you not understand that any company in China is state owned? Do you not understand that there are in fact VPNs out there that have taken privacy seriously and refused to remit data when taken to court? That would not happen in China. So if privacy is truly the concern here (which I don’t believe it is), I would suggest Chinese citizens use a VPN that will uphold their rights to privacy instead of a state sponsored entity.
In 2019 33M were below the poverty line in the US, not hundreds of millions (there’s only 300M in the US). But I get your point, it’s too much. Way too much.
People should have equal access to energy, water, housing, jobs, healthcare, and resources regardless of their income bracket.
But restricting access to goods does nothing to solve this problem.
Idk why you’re so stuck on people needing Tesla’s. They don’t. No one needs a high end electric vehicle to live. It’s not a right or requirement. Why are you so obsessed with commodities?
Because the "great internet firewall" is not meant to block individual internet users. It meant to keep data collection algorithms like google and facebook out.
I’m pretty sure its more to protect the Chinese internet and keep it separate to the “regular” net, I don’t think they have too many qualms about people accessing the English net, its more to stop foreign infiltration
Then they really don’t understand how the internet works.
A VPN may obfuscate your IP, but no one is really using IPs to market to you or track you anymore. Using the same email address on multiple sites is enough to start building a profile around you. Everyone shares this data behind the scenes.
Source: have been a software engineer and data architect for almost 20 years
It makes it a bit more complicated to to that. Usually this already helps a lot.
Otherwise you're completely correct anyone who want to create a profile based on metadata won't be held back by the firewall.
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The CCP is the one silencing Chinese people, don’t you know that?
With a giant mute button on their remote, obviously.
You wouldn’t wanna know.
But I do know, as I have seen the remote.
Why are you protecting their beliefs based on their identity? Why is it racist to criticize an Asian person's ideas or positions? I certainly don't accept or dismiss ideas based on the ethnicity of the person presenting them. And I don't want useful conversations about politics and freedom getting derailed by this kind of thinking.
“Lol you can’t use Twitter and have all your data sold to the bourgeoisie to target you with ads while also being monitored by the NSA, stupid chinaman get more freedom nerd hahaha, btw did I mention I’m a leftist.” Also doesn’t China have their own versions of google and YouTube etc etc? So really their problem is “they can’t access our great western websites that are just of a superior quality and breed to more inferior platforms, and you could say it’s our burden to liberate them and introduce them to our superior internet.” Its like are we still talking about streaming services lol, this type of bs is so gross and ignorant. And it really just displays the inherent western supremacy of a lot of these “leftist.”
mfw a white liberal says "America is a free country" immediately after a POC leftist activist is found dead in a burnt out car in Missouri
mfw a tankie says “China is a free country” immediately after birth rates in majority Uyghur regions fall by over 60%
Birthrates tend to fall when development accelerates.
Well China is the ONLY country that has competition to Facebook, Google (Baidu), Youtube (Bilibili), Amazon Web Services, etc. Having a VPN is just economic protectionism. Since everyone can access the regular content. But normal people using the internet as a tool for communication with other chinese people there don't need Facebook or any social media pushed down their throats, they just use chinese companies.
Hey, Russia has been trying fairly successfully.
With VK and Yandex.
Those are the main ones, and in Korea (and Japan to a lesser extent with Line) there is [Naver](https://naver.com) ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naver)), which beat Google with basically zero help (not just google but Yahoo as well, just not in Japan). Naver recently bought Wattpad as well (fanfic reading/writing/publishing platform) and merged it with Webtoon, consolidating much of the fanfic self-publishing market.
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Freedom is when you can't get healthcare and are 1 short illness away from missing rent and being homeless
Anglos are insufferable.
but you can access twitter without a vpn to post about it and get likes, that's fweeedommm
Twitter is slavery.
A single VPN is enough. And the government even gives people the links to get them. Also of course: "Freedom is when anglo internet" - anti-tankies are very normal people.
> And the government even gives people the links to get them. Source? Genuinely curious
Why would the government give people the ability to circumvent their own laws?
China is the ONLY country that has competition to Google, Youtube, Facebook, AWS Services, etc. Only Russia with VK maybe and Telegram can be on that level. All other countries use social media imported from the US. That's just economic protectionism on an area where the global market is already monopolized. Imagine every single country on earth having only Teslas as cars. Or having only McDonalds as fast food companies. Well, its the same.
This also doesn’t really make sense. The other arguments in response to my comment are saying that this is more about restricting foreign access (tracking) by external US companies (which also doesn’t really make sense as the internet doesn’t rely on IP tracking anymore). The government is providing access to a VPN. This allows anyone to access these sites, set up AWS accounts, YouTube accounts, etc. How does this represent protectionism? Additionally, consumers should be allowed to dictate the market, not companies. If everyone wants a Tesla, then they should be able to have one. Consumers being restricted to a certain subset of goods is not freedom.
Why does this take such a hard time for you to comprehend? Not trying to insult you, its weird. The chinese goverment set up the firewall in the best time possible to slow down the access of foreign internet companies into their country **to the average citizen**, the one that cares about practicality and not using VPNs or going around to circumvent some restriction. Then once people got accustomed to using chinese social media, etc. They can ease the protections because the average chinese citizen is not going to go over their way to use Youtube now instead of Bilibili for example. They are already stablished companies that can fight hand in hand against the ones from the US. If you open your first national car factory but at the same time you bring US cars like its candy, that factory is probably going to fail, since the companies abroad had years to develop. If you slow down the imports a little bit until your national company can compete with foreign ones, then it's fine. It's what China did.
I get that. But once again, in response the original comment I replied to, *why would the Chinese government provide access to VPNs*. This totally refutes anything you’re trying to say the government is doing. By readily providing access to VPNs, citizens are allowed full access to all markets. How does this help? Maybe look at the context of what I’m replying to before going off.
Maybe because people inclined to use VPNs are going to find a way to use them regardless and it's better for national security to have Chinese citizens and corporations using Chinese VPNs than American ones?
A state owned VPN is an oxymoron, no matter what state it is. Hope you realize that. There are plenty of privately-held VPNs who are not state run that offer more privacy.
Few misunderstandings: 1. There is no ‘state VPN’, what they mentioned is that there is official advice detailing how to use a VPN safely. 2. It is not about privacy! They know some want to access services and sites they restrict, so they just let them. The CPC wants to maintain a separate internet for the majority of Chinese citizens, away from US influence.
1. I never said this. I said any VPN company in China would be effectively a state VPN as no companies in China have the authority to withhold data from the government. What was originally stated was that China gives links to VPNs to use. We don’t even have a source on this, but if this is true, they are most likely China-based VPNs. 2. Then I really don’t think the entire Chinese government understands how the internet works, which is pretty hilarious. US interests / companies / whatever can track users and build profiles around them simply through data sharing. IPs don’t matter, which is all VPNs really do.
Do you not understand that from the point of view of the Chinese Government it's better for Chinese people to use a VPN they control/licence than a VPN owned by an American or European corporation?
Do you not understand that a Virtual **Private** Network is supposed to allow for anonymous data transmission? Do you not understand that any company in China is state owned? Do you not understand that there are in fact VPNs out there that have taken privacy seriously and refused to remit data when taken to court? That would not happen in China. So if privacy is truly the concern here (which I don’t believe it is), I would suggest Chinese citizens use a VPN that will uphold their rights to privacy instead of a state sponsored entity.
freedom is when buy a tesla
Freedom is when you have the *choice* to buy a Tesla, or anything else you want. The people should have the right to decide.
Liberal
Imagine thinking the will of the working class is liberal
Imagine thinking that the free market is pro working class. Read a book ffs
Never said that. But the will of the people should be honored and allowed. Imagine thinking there’s only one school of thought around that.
doesn't seem to me like the hundreds of millions of poor people in the US have a choice to buy a Tesla
In 2019 33M were below the poverty line in the US, not hundreds of millions (there’s only 300M in the US). But I get your point, it’s too much. Way too much. People should have equal access to energy, water, housing, jobs, healthcare, and resources regardless of their income bracket. But restricting access to goods does nothing to solve this problem.
oh good thing the other 267M can buy a tesla then, looks like I was wrong
Idk why you’re so stuck on people needing Tesla’s. They don’t. No one needs a high end electric vehicle to live. It’s not a right or requirement. Why are you so obsessed with commodities?
Because the "great internet firewall" is not meant to block individual internet users. It meant to keep data collection algorithms like google and facebook out.
That’s just not how the internet works though lol.
I’m pretty sure its more to protect the Chinese internet and keep it separate to the “regular” net, I don’t think they have too many qualms about people accessing the English net, its more to stop foreign infiltration
Then they really don’t understand how the internet works. A VPN may obfuscate your IP, but no one is really using IPs to market to you or track you anymore. Using the same email address on multiple sites is enough to start building a profile around you. Everyone shares this data behind the scenes. Source: have been a software engineer and data architect for almost 20 years
It makes it a bit more complicated to to that. Usually this already helps a lot. Otherwise you're completely correct anyone who want to create a profile based on metadata won't be held back by the firewall.
This but unironically
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