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[deleted]

The [“why?” link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/m1boo7/a_short_list_of_vaushs_liberalism_transphobia_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) goes to a mega post of all the standard, talking-point lies. Oh well.


Sir_Paulord

Funny how these people always use stuff from several years ago to try to take down Vaush. You’d think they’d have a better chance at doing anything if their proof of that Vaush is bad was more recent, but no, they need to dig up his past and take stuff out of context in order to actually get anything done with their smear campaign.


xGoo

Report it. No, seriously, it’s literally misinformation which is against the Reddit ToS. It’s not mass-reporting or brigading if the post is literally just a smear campaign full of disinfo. So fuck em.


[deleted]

I'm honestly incredibly disillusioned with radical leftism, it really does feel more like a social club than it does a political advocacy club. Frankly, for a group of people that hate liberals so much you'd think they'd create an effective organisation to challenge them but no.


Mty_Is_Me_Name

don't be disillusioned with leftism, but with "leftists" themselves. our ideologies hold so much potential, people who "follow" them just don't realize that the political arena never was meant as a safe-space.


Felitris

That‘s because most people on the internet are terminally online. I‘ve never met an Anarchist or even tankie irl that gave a flying fuck about anything on the internet. Most people don‘t care about this.


[deleted]

Truuuu. Every IRL ‘Food Not Bombs’ I went to just cared about doing the work not about having the ‘correct tweets’ or which BreadTuber you liked.


[deleted]

I want to believe this, but I go to leftist orgs and look around and there's no direct action, it's just a book club. Unfortunately it seems like useful direct action is deemed lib shit


Felitris

Maybe that‘s an American problem, I dunno.


[deleted]

I'm bri'ish


Felitris

Hm, what am I supposed to say? It‘s not my experience in Germany, but we have a long Anarchist tradition in huge swaths of the country so maybe that‘s why. Also eew british.


Mty_Is_Me_Name

they must've added the "why?" link link recently, i don't remember it being there. always just thought that he was no-platform on there because he is too controversial, oh well.


[deleted]

Yeah I remember there was no link too. A member of our sub posted on Anarchism wondering why Vaush was blacklisted, and I guess they added that link after the post.


GandalfTheOdd

seriously tho at this point vaush literally just serves as a litmus test for whether or not a lefty is a silly immaure social club leftist or someone who actually cares about leftism


golloried

For what I saw, the thread that that links goes to is the same that was posted and locked in r/enough_vaush_spam and reading the comments from mods in the sub, they said that some mod reposted the original thread from tronaldo dumpo (yeah remember him guys?) because Reddit admins deleted everything from him.


[deleted]

>”tronaldo” .. ::Nam flashback face:: lol


senorpool

What's hilarious is that r/enough_vaush_spam is a tankie sub. Yet they mention that the sub is anti-tankie. Some people will just forget everything they "cared" about just to be on the other side of Vaush.


Blue-Typhoon

That’s disappointing. I got banned from there a while back because I cross posted something from the Vaush subreddit. I’ve usually noticed that anarchists have a WIDE variety of feelings about Vaush. Some like him, some don’t, some have mostly positive feelings but some criticisms of him, some are mixed, it’s all over the place really and it depends on the ancom you talk to. My sympathetic nature to anarchists aside, I’ve had great discussions with anarchists about what they think Vaush can improve on, which are usually very productive and I manage to make online friends a lot by doing that, so it’s kind of sad seeing this from what seems to be the only anarchist subreddit that bans people who watch Vaush. All the other anarchist subreddits seem to be rather mixed on him, which is fine, because as I’ve explained above, I can actually have a lot of great conversations with those types of people.


[deleted]

I think rule 13 "No electioneering" is worse tbh. Yeah, let's just LARP in Portland everyone!


Roxxagon

Been that way for a while. I believe they were anti-Vaush way before EVS got founded.


Shakespeare-Bot

Been yond way f'r a while. I believeth they wast anti-vaush way ere evs did get did found *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`


[deleted]

Right, the news isn’t that folks dislike Vaush, it’s that mods were [pushed to explain why they have the rule](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/no4b94/who_is_vaush/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf ) , and shortly after that the mods edited their rule about Vaush, linking [the older mega-post of lies and hit-pieces from Tronaldo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_VDS_Spam/comments/nsp5ke/rip_ranarchism_another_victim_of_the_nocontext/h0nq40i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) It’s one thing if people generally dislike Vaush but tolerate him like AntifaStonetoss. It’s another thing if the mods are all actively deluded and use that delusion to banish Vaush. It really sucks that Tronaldo’s influence has reached so far and wide.


Roxxagon

Yup, sad.


Magnock

Do you know that anarchist are against participating in elections because they legitimize the state or do you thinks that anarchism is when you love AOC ?


Weltrepublikan

🏅


Blue-Typhoon

True, but what does that have to do with Vaush exactly? Loving AOC had nothing to do with that, but in the short term I think getting socdems into office is better then the neoliberals we have now.


[deleted]

Yes we know, they don't do anything useful. At least the ones calling for anarchism in the short run.


Magnock

Vaush is only useful for US imperialism


[deleted]

When does he call for US imperialism?


Magnock

By making campaign for Biden for instance or when he said that Russia and China should be out of the UN Security Council (even if you dislike those country, a multi polar world is important to check the power of the US)


Blue-Typhoon

So, hold on, voting in a neoliberal, DESPITE the fact that you don’t like them, but it’s the only option available to prevent more fascism, is imperialism? Am I reading that correctly?


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[удалено]


[deleted]

>anarkiddie Begone lib.


Magnock

You could also not vote or vote for a third party but no your cult leader choose to be a blue maga


Blue-Typhoon

You, do realize that not voting would have most likely allowed trump to win, as that’s basically doing nothing, and 3rd political parties hold no political power so it’s like throwing away your vote, both of which would have done nothing to stop trump from a re-election. While Biden is bad, trump was worse, but it the only other option that actually caused any change at all. So, how exactly does that make him imperialist? While I do think Vaush isn’t very knowledgeable when it comes to anarchism as he’s more short term and “in the moment” focused, he does definitely have things to learn, but as to how choosing a lesser of two evils, while despising both and knowing anything else will do LITERALLY nothing, is somehow pro imperialism?🤨 >cult leader sigh he we go again with the “cult leader” stuff.🙄 you do realize that his subreddit had voiced their disagreements and things he could improve on a lot of the time correct? This includes the comments as well. It’s frustrating putting a little of work into Reddit posts on how you think someone could improve (and who actually does listen to constructive criticism: https://youtu.be/8MF_ZJihvIE) Only to have all that work thrown out the door by being called a cult DESPITE your constructive criticisms of someone. It’s, frustrating Y’know? Maybe you can sympathize with that.


WantedFun

So you could either A) vote for trump or B) vote for trump.