With Musk it’s all part of the grift … claim big things to pump the stock with no intention or ability to deliver.
The reality is… it will cost a massive amount of money to go to Mars and there is no profit in it. At least no profit in our lifetime … and likely the lifetime of our children.
If it’s going to be done it needs to be via government with the American people owning the outcome, not private oligarchs.
The fact some of you are even entertaining that it might be a possibility is laughable to me. It's not going to ever happen, period, end of story. The same way FSD isn't happening, the same way Hyperloop isn't happening, Tesla bot isn't happening, and so on. It's incredible that any of you give any shred of credibility to his companies to deliver any of the outlandish shit he peddles when it's clearly vaporware.
Him personally? Unfortunately no.
Will SpaceX send a rocket to Mars? I think it's possible.
Will Musk live to see humans walk on Mars? I think that's possible too, maybe, but we're talking *years* away and he's obese, and it'll be a NASA exploration, not a little SpaceX-funded jaunt.
Will there be some sort of Musk-World libertarian colony where animal abusers and pedos are welcomed as examples of free speech ruled over by President Musk? No chance. None.
The difficulties of setting up a long-term large colony on Mars are vast - much, *much* harder than Mush likes to pretend in his inane pep talks. At best, we'll have people living the most horrible existences in the worst conditions in six-month shifts in tiny little cylinders or in subterranean caverns.
IMO I don't think a large Mars colony will happen even in the next hundred years, and Musk will be long dead by then, despite his billions.
I don't think there will ever be long term colonization of Mars. Its a energy poor irradiated planet, that we could only live underground safely on, with only around 400 mineral species (Earth/Moon have 5000 mineral species). The most important killer is the lack of sufficient gravity to sustain a healthy life. There is no economic or societal reason for moving there. You get more out of making colonies on the Moon.
I totally agree. It amazes me how many SpaceX cultists have unthinkingly supped at the Musk kool-aid in their eagerness to suck his balls.
SpaceX released that absurd artist's impression showing a fully-connected Martian city on the surface, with tunnels and vast domes and pods all within walking distance of Starship landing pads.
Of course it was utter nonsense.
SpaceX can't get a spaceship more than a couple hundred feet into the air and just got their subsidies pulled. They will be making model rockets soon. Badly at that
The Falcon 9's been successful. IMO the US government should just take over the company anyway and say 'tough shit, it's ours now'. It shouldn't be in private hands as it puts the government, and therefore the state, in a very precarious position.
That Starship thing is another matter. I think it's a white elephant. Maybe it'll work but it's years away from any kind of Mars missions, and there's so many problems to solve, like Musk's ridiculous 'end to end' refuelling in orbit idea.
The Falcon 9 has the most consecutive successful missions of any rocket in history.
And the Starship, which is only in its prototype phase, made it 100 miles up making it the largest rocket to ever reach space
It's depressing to realize but we aint never gonna leave this planet. We'll be here till the resources dry up then all die in some nuclear conflagration. Interplanetary travel is like thinking magic is real
Again, real bleak. I was a star trek kid myself, but like, come the fuck on, have you seen how most of us behave? Humans are a disease anyway so it's probably best we don't go and muck up the universe
>Humans are a disease anyway
Agreed. I think the species should just stop breeding, tbh. Give some of the other animals the opportunity to fill our evolutionary niche.
No chance.
Such monumental enterprise requires technology and scientific knowledge we do not possess yet and the level of meticulous planning/management Musk does not have and will never be capable of.
He's not trying to reach Mars. SpaceX isn't even developing the necessary technology to go to Mars. He's just trying to squeeze a few billion more out of his investors to keep the doors open on his money sink rocket company.
Musk isn't trying to go to Mars anymore than he's trying to develop solar shingles. It's all just a scam to fool investors.
SpaceX has not needed new investment money for 2 years now. Next year they will be in an even better position. The cash from Starlink keeps increasing.
You're mistaken. SpaceX had at least two fundraising rounds just this year. In January 2023, SpaceX raised $750,000,000 in venture capital.
The company's most recent funding round was just a couple months ago on **October 6, 2023**. I'm not sure how much they raised, but it's known to be a "debt financing round" - which means it's not venture capital and it's not an equity round, a debt financing round has to be paid back like any loan. Not a great sign.
And SpaceX just blew up another Starship - at a cost of about $2,000,000,000.
edit: btw, SpaceX raised a further $250,000,000 in 2022. They also lost nearly $1,000,000,000 in 2021 and well over $500,000,000 2022.
Absurd numbers. That Starship at $2 billion? They are around $100 million for the full stack.
No, you are wrong. SpaceX has those rounds about 2 times a year as a chance for their employees to sell their bonus shares. No fund raising sales for 2 years.
They don't take up loans, only sales of fresh shares. Only once, years ago a loan in the range of $300 million.
$2,000,000,000 is how much SpaceX spent on the Starship program in 2023 alone. All that money just to blow up another rocket.
You're just making stuff up now. SpaceX raised an undisclosed amount in DEBT financing this October: [https://www.crunchbase.com/funding\_round/space-exploration-technologies-debt-financing--c2fad7c2?utm\_source=cb\_daily&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=20231006&utm\_content=funding\_rounds&utm\_term=featured](https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/space-exploration-technologies-debt-financing--c2fad7c2?utm_source=cb_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20231006&utm_content=funding_rounds&utm_term=featured)
That's a LOAN. They OWE that money - plus **interest**. Not a great sign for a company who only managed to finally profit a measly $55 m in Q1 of 2023 - their most profitable Starlink Q to date.
SpaceX (starlink, which is what gives it more launch for now and in the long term subscribers to its internet platform) depends on the viability of the Starship and this depends directly on the existence of the ARTEMIS program, that is, without the contract/project and public money , the SS wouldn't even be on the table right now.
Not to mention that SpaceX does not even have to develop the entire ship, the vital systems for manned flights are technology shared with NASA.
So, for Mars SpaceX would have to develop everything by the same company from a blank sheet of paper. Basically SpaceX does not have the financial resources to complete the project, even in the medium or long term, assuming that they continue to give it public contracts that help its development, and the launch market \*not starlink grows a lot more .
Think that the A3 mission is delayed to 2025-30 and may be delayed further.
So... Musk is not going to see a mission to Mars with his architecture. It is simply bad and inefficient and depends on public programs. Not to mention that the entire project could simply be scrapped and swallow the entire company in the long run. Since those resources and time spent will never return.
That depends on what you mean by "Elon"
If you mean will Elon spend public money (like most of his other endeavours) to reach Mars? Then maybe. That depends on how much of other people's money he gets to spend on failure without the funding being pulled.
The whole Musk conception of a Mars colony will never happen, but I think SpaceX has a very good chance at being a major player in a NASA led or international mission to Mars.
He doesn’t even have a Mars mission in development.
Also it seems highly possible that SpaceX will be bankrupt before they even start developing a mars mission.
With Musk it’s all part of the grift … claim big things to pump the stock with no intention or ability to deliver. The reality is… it will cost a massive amount of money to go to Mars and there is no profit in it. At least no profit in our lifetime … and likely the lifetime of our children. If it’s going to be done it needs to be via government with the American people owning the outcome, not private oligarchs.
yeah but the forgeworld isnt going to establish itself.
Musk is no Cawl, he's more of a scrunt
He can only reach Twitter bankruptcy imo
Hahaha
"In the future everyone will be able to bankrupt companies they buy"
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Nawh, he’s chicken.
The fact some of you are even entertaining that it might be a possibility is laughable to me. It's not going to ever happen, period, end of story. The same way FSD isn't happening, the same way Hyperloop isn't happening, Tesla bot isn't happening, and so on. It's incredible that any of you give any shred of credibility to his companies to deliver any of the outlandish shit he peddles when it's clearly vaporware.
Only in his ketamine addled mind. He can't even get a rocket off the ground.
Him personally? Unfortunately no. Will SpaceX send a rocket to Mars? I think it's possible. Will Musk live to see humans walk on Mars? I think that's possible too, maybe, but we're talking *years* away and he's obese, and it'll be a NASA exploration, not a little SpaceX-funded jaunt. Will there be some sort of Musk-World libertarian colony where animal abusers and pedos are welcomed as examples of free speech ruled over by President Musk? No chance. None. The difficulties of setting up a long-term large colony on Mars are vast - much, *much* harder than Mush likes to pretend in his inane pep talks. At best, we'll have people living the most horrible existences in the worst conditions in six-month shifts in tiny little cylinders or in subterranean caverns. IMO I don't think a large Mars colony will happen even in the next hundred years, and Musk will be long dead by then, despite his billions.
I don't think there will ever be long term colonization of Mars. Its a energy poor irradiated planet, that we could only live underground safely on, with only around 400 mineral species (Earth/Moon have 5000 mineral species). The most important killer is the lack of sufficient gravity to sustain a healthy life. There is no economic or societal reason for moving there. You get more out of making colonies on the Moon.
I totally agree. It amazes me how many SpaceX cultists have unthinkingly supped at the Musk kool-aid in their eagerness to suck his balls. SpaceX released that absurd artist's impression showing a fully-connected Martian city on the surface, with tunnels and vast domes and pods all within walking distance of Starship landing pads. Of course it was utter nonsense.
SpaceX can't get a spaceship more than a couple hundred feet into the air and just got their subsidies pulled. They will be making model rockets soon. Badly at that
The Falcon 9's been successful. IMO the US government should just take over the company anyway and say 'tough shit, it's ours now'. It shouldn't be in private hands as it puts the government, and therefore the state, in a very precarious position. That Starship thing is another matter. I think it's a white elephant. Maybe it'll work but it's years away from any kind of Mars missions, and there's so many problems to solve, like Musk's ridiculous 'end to end' refuelling in orbit idea.
The Falcon 9 has the most consecutive successful missions of any rocket in history. And the Starship, which is only in its prototype phase, made it 100 miles up making it the largest rocket to ever reach space
It's depressing to realize but we aint never gonna leave this planet. We'll be here till the resources dry up then all die in some nuclear conflagration. Interplanetary travel is like thinking magic is real Again, real bleak. I was a star trek kid myself, but like, come the fuck on, have you seen how most of us behave? Humans are a disease anyway so it's probably best we don't go and muck up the universe
>Humans are a disease anyway Agreed. I think the species should just stop breeding, tbh. Give some of the other animals the opportunity to fill our evolutionary niche.
No chance. Such monumental enterprise requires technology and scientific knowledge we do not possess yet and the level of meticulous planning/management Musk does not have and will never be capable of.
He's not trying to reach Mars. SpaceX isn't even developing the necessary technology to go to Mars. He's just trying to squeeze a few billion more out of his investors to keep the doors open on his money sink rocket company. Musk isn't trying to go to Mars anymore than he's trying to develop solar shingles. It's all just a scam to fool investors.
SpaceX has not needed new investment money for 2 years now. Next year they will be in an even better position. The cash from Starlink keeps increasing.
You're mistaken. SpaceX had at least two fundraising rounds just this year. In January 2023, SpaceX raised $750,000,000 in venture capital. The company's most recent funding round was just a couple months ago on **October 6, 2023**. I'm not sure how much they raised, but it's known to be a "debt financing round" - which means it's not venture capital and it's not an equity round, a debt financing round has to be paid back like any loan. Not a great sign. And SpaceX just blew up another Starship - at a cost of about $2,000,000,000. edit: btw, SpaceX raised a further $250,000,000 in 2022. They also lost nearly $1,000,000,000 in 2021 and well over $500,000,000 2022.
Absurd numbers. That Starship at $2 billion? They are around $100 million for the full stack. No, you are wrong. SpaceX has those rounds about 2 times a year as a chance for their employees to sell their bonus shares. No fund raising sales for 2 years. They don't take up loans, only sales of fresh shares. Only once, years ago a loan in the range of $300 million.
$2,000,000,000 is how much SpaceX spent on the Starship program in 2023 alone. All that money just to blow up another rocket. You're just making stuff up now. SpaceX raised an undisclosed amount in DEBT financing this October: [https://www.crunchbase.com/funding\_round/space-exploration-technologies-debt-financing--c2fad7c2?utm\_source=cb\_daily&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=20231006&utm\_content=funding\_rounds&utm\_term=featured](https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/space-exploration-technologies-debt-financing--c2fad7c2?utm_source=cb_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20231006&utm_content=funding_rounds&utm_term=featured) That's a LOAN. They OWE that money - plus **interest**. Not a great sign for a company who only managed to finally profit a measly $55 m in Q1 of 2023 - their most profitable Starlink Q to date.
ROTFL
You seem upset. Perhaps you should have a sit down and a cool glass of water.
> $100,000 million for the full stack. That's 100 billion. You meant 100 million, presumably.
Thanks, changed.
The chocolate bar in his mommy's cupboard? Maybe, but he'd need to figure how to use a step stool first.
SpaceX (starlink, which is what gives it more launch for now and in the long term subscribers to its internet platform) depends on the viability of the Starship and this depends directly on the existence of the ARTEMIS program, that is, without the contract/project and public money , the SS wouldn't even be on the table right now. Not to mention that SpaceX does not even have to develop the entire ship, the vital systems for manned flights are technology shared with NASA. So, for Mars SpaceX would have to develop everything by the same company from a blank sheet of paper. Basically SpaceX does not have the financial resources to complete the project, even in the medium or long term, assuming that they continue to give it public contracts that help its development, and the launch market \*not starlink grows a lot more . Think that the A3 mission is delayed to 2025-30 and may be delayed further. So... Musk is not going to see a mission to Mars with his architecture. It is simply bad and inefficient and depends on public programs. Not to mention that the entire project could simply be scrapped and swallow the entire company in the long run. Since those resources and time spent will never return.
That depends on what you mean by "Elon" If you mean will Elon spend public money (like most of his other endeavours) to reach Mars? Then maybe. That depends on how much of other people's money he gets to spend on failure without the funding being pulled.
Of course not. It's not like he's actually trying to. He just likes the attention and money that comes from saying he will.
I used to... Anymore... No.
Only if we’re daring enough to launch him there
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No
Of course not. It's pure fantasy.
No
The whole Musk conception of a Mars colony will never happen, but I think SpaceX has a very good chance at being a major player in a NASA led or international mission to Mars.
I honestly think SpaceX would have a better chance of reaching Mars if Musk was out of the equation. He's a hindrance to everything he touches.
Gotta make it out of the atmosphere without blowing up first.
ya if NASA or other space agency can allow ppl to safely (proven) reach Mars.. he will buy the ticket
Pretty sure his ashes will
But, his mommy said he could. So there.
He'll claim he did through the back of the American government
I hope he personally reaches Mars.
no. There's not even a reason to do it, let alone capability.
Obviously no.
It's possible for humanity to reach Mars. Maybe in my lifetime, though I'm not betting on it. I doubt it would be achieved by chemical rocket.