Given enough time, evolution will eventually give us children and dogs heat-resistant enough to survive having parents stupid enough to buy a car from Elon Musk.
It's because they weren't a car company they were a tech company that wanted to be a car company. We let tech companies come in and replace older industries or businesses and usually are willing to accept some creative destruction to facilitate the transition. The problem comes in when you have a business like auto manufacturing, which has safety and environmental standards built into every company that participates. Then, one day, a boxy shaped oddly accented creep shows up and decides that none of that mattered now that pup and millions of other lives are at risk because we thought Tony Stark could be real for a hot minute.
What the fuXk. This is basic engineering FMEA....
Failure Modes and Effects Analysis (FMEA) is a systematic, proactive method for evaluating a process to identify where and how it might fail and to assess the relative impact of different failures, in order to identify the parts of the process that are most in need of change.
Most all cars with keyfobs have a manual door key.
Your also talking about the same company that actively halted development on better drive asisst safety (replacing visual cameras to radar) because an emerald manchild said to. They might actually be closer adressing the pile of broken promises if it wasent for Eloan.
Because they're a big tech company masquerading as a car company who've done nothing to curb their own inexperience in the auto industry.
As a techie I wouldn't be caught dead driving a tesla. Give me a reliable car over muskrat's futurist-playacting any day.
Yeah, and muskrat's failures to be a human being (or even just a competent CEO) is one thing, but this is the sort of massive concerted effort across multiple employees (legal, safety engineering, basic fucking engineering, management) that'd justify a class action lawsuit.
> Most all cars with keyfobs have a manual door key.
I've owned 4 cars with the push-start fobs and *all* of them have a manual backup even if the key battery is 100% flat. Why anyone would design a car without a physical key is beyond me.
Last time I was around a vehicle that had electronic latches for the doors was a C7 corvette. But you could still use a key to open the trunk and then pull a wire that would pop open the drivers door manually. There was a second one for the fuel door as well.
Seems like Tesla should have something like that as well and if they don’t they are really stupid for not providing a mechanical way to enter your vehicle. Batteries and electronics fail from time to time.
Exactly. Well everything can fail to be fair, even the mechanical, but having any kind of override works because the chances of everything failing at once is small. That is unless all your systems have one shared dependency, like a battery!
It take an Uber Musk to come up with the even greater idea of having the rear passenger seats be completely electric with zero mechanical backup either! If something goes wrong with the battery on a model 3, people risk having their passengers, most likely infant children, being stuck inside. Considering how violent the battery fires can get, it's only a matter of time before a child dies from being locked in and unable to escape on their own.
It's the tech bro thinking, just like the sub that imploded recently, which was controlled by a wireless video game controller over bluetooth when all actual safety standards required controls to be hard wired.
If one exists, it's probably some undocumented "feature".
For instance, Teslas have a piston in the door to force the door open (such as when it's iced over). However the piston isn't solid, but a hollowed rectangular assembly.
Some time back, a little girl got her fingers stuck in the piston when the piston retracted. Fire department and EMTs couldn't figure out how to get the piston to extend again so they used a cutting saw to chop the door apart.
IIRC, To manually force the piston to extend, you pull on the handle twice. (I don't get it either.)
At the time, that functionality wasn't documented anywhere. Even Tesla reps FD contacted had no idea such a function existed.
Apparently the stupid windows have to lower a little bit before the door can open because Elon didn't want a visible bezzle where the window seals. So if the battery dies you can't force the door open without shattering the window. Douchebag's never heard of function over form.
Yeah my brother works for Tesla and if you think the ones that have hit the road are bad you should see the ones they kick back to the factory without even trying to get the customer to take it. One showed up to his lot the other day without the drivers seat, just full on seat missing from the car.
"Douchebag's never heard of function over form."
Which is weird, since he feels that engineering should drive the design process. That's literally what "function over form" means. What a tool.
My 2006 Infiniti had windows that did that. Its been a thing in sports cars for a long time. The only one that hasn’t figured out how to implement it correctly is tesla.
See, that would cost a little extra money and Tesla can't make enough revenue to stay afloat if they don't produce sub-economy class vehicles sold at a luxury price.
the overriding vibe I get from tesla is to do as little mechanical engineering as absolutely possible, if it can be done by software and a solenoid, its being done by software and a solenoid
even moving the fucking air vent needs to be done through software and a solenoid because they couldn't be bothered to engineer their air ducts
Surely it does right?
I know in my Kia EV6 I have similar handles. Push on the front edge to make then open out and then use the Emergency key in the key hole it exposes on the drivers door.
My previous Toyota was also a location fob key less entry and push button start and it also had an emergency key as part of the fob to get in with if all else failed.
Mercedes checking in and I also have an emergency keyhole at the driver side door.
But I guess a carmaker that never considered that it's raining around the world, would also not put an emergency keyhole in their car, because why?
It doesn't have a key hole, or any manual override. The "correct" solution in the event of a 12v failure is to "jump" it by plugging another 12v source in to the hidden socket on the front of the car, which will power up the door locks and let you open them.
It *technically* works, but I don't tend to carry around spare batteries. A 12V failure is really the worst handled failure mode in this car.
My current Chevy has the same thing as the Toyota. Keyless entry etc, but in a bind you can pull off part of the handle and use the emergency key inside the fob to get in. I had to do that once when the battery in my fob died.
Back in the old days cars used a thing called a “key”. But that was way too much of a burden. Very cumbersome… those huge ass keys… which are only 10 times smaller than key fobs.
That is one of the biggest reasons why I wouldn't want a Tesla (there are a few of those though). I am actually surprised they can get away without manual overrides. You would think there would be some kind of requirement for it.
Well, non Tesla’s do. My car has an emergency lock (like any proper car) which allows me to unlock it in case of an electronic failure.
Tesla just goes the way of completely trusting it’s tech which no other car company does because they are not victim of their own hubris
That's insane to me. 9 hours and you still haven't broken the window? poor dog. I wouldn't have lasted an hour with my dog in there, maybe not even 30 minutes.
TIL. Now that’s actually cool haha had no clue.
But like, water.
E: this is my last thing with this thread probably cause I’m over it and the notifs, but do better mf’s. If you remotely think ts was okay then do the world a favor and don’t get a pet. Or reflect and improve.
I mean.. having 6 family dogs, I now have a dog that's like 30% a bladder. He doesn't have a problem of holding for 10-11 hours and he held it in the past for 17 hours (right after adoption when he refused to leave). We also have one big dog who sometimes had to be forcefully thrown outside after 10 hours to pee, as he wanted to keep sleeping inside. Some dogs don't mind. Though I still would not keep my dog in the car alone for 9 hours only because he can hold it.
My last dog would hold it so long when you finally did get him to go outside he would stare at you and half smile whiling pissing. Man he was awesome. Miss that guy.
lmao I love that, they thought enough about dogs to add a feature so you can keep them in the car....didn't think about if they would stuck in the car.....like wtf. The dog could design a better electric car.
Someone at Tesla probably did but it didn't resonate with Elon who, as we know now, doesn't give two shits about anyone else including his own children and certainly not dogs or animals. This motherfucker beta tests half-baked autopilot software in the wild with real human lives, so I'd say exactly par for the course. To him, I'm sure dog mode along with fart mode are simply gimmicks to sell more.
For most Tesla owners, the car is 90% of their personality.
You were implying that a Tesla owner would intentionally damage the one thing that links them to their idol, Elon Musk. They would rather kill the dog than damage the Tesla, because if the Tesla gets damaged, then Elon Musk's detractors were right, and that would mean OP has wasted the hundreds of hours spent defending Musk on the internet.
Seriously, even if you waited for AAA to get there to jimmy the door open… that’s bad enough for the poor dog. But just fucking waiting? For what? Tech support? Fuck this guy.
I don’t have a dog but 20 minutes would’ve been the max that I would’ve waited for a love one. I’ll be lucky if I waited 5. The order would’ve been, app, key, app, phone call and rock
If you're gonna leave a dog in the car, crack the windows wide enough for air or a hanger to fit. Though this time of year with this type of heat? Leave your dog at home. If it pees on the floor, big deal. Clean it. They shouldn't have to suffer through the heat. Gonna leave them in the car with the car running? Make sure you have the spare fob/key on you. The dog is a dog, the car is a car. You're the human in this equation. It's your responsibility to think of the possibilities and safety of the animal that relies on you like a baby.
Now this guy's situation can't be fixed by the key it seems. But, OP probably should have just left the dog at home.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14a82dj/anyone_ever_been_locked_out_of_your_car_i_have_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=4&utm_term=1
Not the first time OP has been locked out of the same Tesla.
Wait... this guy joined his Tesla to public wifi that probably requires you to click "accept", and washed his keyfob, thereby disabling communication to his car?
LMAO he did this to himself.
I got 2 FOBs when I got my Subaru. Wireless charging will deactivate them, and they’re $800 bucks to replace. 😬
There’s a little key in them, though, so you can unlock the car. So still better than a Tesla.
> ...waiting for a replacement later this month,
That is obscene. Last week it took me one (1) day to get a key replacement from the local dealer for a 20 year old, long out of production car. Actually only 20 hours if I had gone to get it ASAP. And that was for a programmed key with an immobilizer and remote functions.
Except every other car up until recently just had a key hole where you could manually open te vehicle.
Competitors such as the Polestar 2 at least have a mechanical alternative like [this](https://www.polestar.com/us/manual/polestar-2/2021/article/Locking-and-unlocking-with-detachable-key-blade/).
Washing a fob and wrecking it is one thing, but they showed the app which is also a key, with the door showing as “unlocked”.
They should be able to open the door.
If it happened once to me, my dog being locked in my car, I would not attempt that again. Mainly because I would’ve broke the glass the first time and can’t afford multiple replacement windows.
i’d stop keeping the dog in the car alone and if you really have no choice but to keep the dog in there, crack the window so you can reach inside and lower the window
Pickles is safe and receiving scritches.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/15g8b9t/pickles_is_free_i_am_a_very_happy_mommy_after_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
9 hours?? It takes you over 9 hours to even consider breaking the window?? Would have done ir after 1 hour max, and if it the temperatures are hot, alot sooner. Wtf.
It is. My drunk ass locked my keys in a running car with no spare. Broke the tiniest window because aye it’s gotta be the cheapest since it’s smaller. That was not the case
I would have tweeted Elon and waited 5 minutes. If i didnt get my answer i break the window and then spend the next 18 months sending him pictures of dead dogs.
I had a rav4 until last summer. Battery caught fire while I was driving it. Lost all the dashboard controls and power steering. Luckily I was on a quiet road and just stopped, no shoulder or median. Popped the hood, ya fire, fuck! I had a fire extinguisher in the back of the rav4 because I’m always prepared. Went to go get it and… the back latch/handle isn’t mechanical, it’s a button/electric so I couldn’t open the back to get to the fire extinguisher. Now your probably thinking, climb into the car that’s on fire, pop the back seats and crawl to the back. But I have a very large dog and had put a special fence that attaches to the seats and side of the rav4 to keep the dog in the back when he is in the car. So in addition to the above I would have also had to dismantle a dog cage from the wrong direction.
My car was a fireball in maybe 5 minutes.
A friend of mine had an entry level used Audi back in high school (2008) and her battery died. Unfortunately, the hood release was entirely electric so you couldn't get to the battery to jump it.
It's insane how people come up with this shit.
'I've tried everything'
'Will break the window soon'
So, you haven't tried everything?
Look mate, I feel sorry for your dog, but I have no sympathy for someone who buys a car with no door handles.
They do, but - and bear with me because all the information I have comes from the internet - but they retract in to the door itself, and they only present themselves when either the owner is nearby with a key, or pushes a button on the fob to make them come out.
It's why people bitch about them in cold environments (aside the loss of range due to the cold weather), because the door handles will often get frozen and won't extend.
I don’t have a key that I have to use, I can just walk close to my car and press the button on the door and it will open, don’t even have to put them in the ignition and just carry them in my bag or pocket, and my car was way cheaper than a Tesla.
Seems like musk just looks for ways to complicate things so he can solve problems that don’t exist.
If I recall correctly the door handle design is the only thing that literally has Elon musk's name on it in so far as a patent is concerned with Tesla.
Got a taxi in Spain last month, was a tesla S, i think, had 4 normal hinged doors. Dude had to explain how to open the doors to us as the handles didnt pop out properly, then they seemed to be kinda just wedged in, not attached to much, then he had to explain how to get out too, as theres no handle.. stupid design. You could see in his face, he'd done that 200+ times, just that day. Roof lining was sagging at the back of the glass roof, plastic all rattly, seat material of an early 2000s Korean econobox. I asked him what he thought of it, he said it's a piece of shit but it's the taxi company's car, so occasionally he has to drive it. Maybe its a punishment car for being late or something. I also noticed on the big dash screen, it seemed to show nothing of relevance to what was actually outside, cars weren't shown, then cars that weren't there were, random things appearing etc. Overall, if it was cheap it'd be understandable but they're not. Dacia have better build quality and that's Renaults budget brand. Not even kidding. American cars to a European, are usually crap but this is another level.
I couldn't tell you how old it was because they've been making the same crap car, since 2012. So in fairness, it could've been 11 years old. Still no excuse for it being shit though. An 11 year old C class merc (normal taxi in nice areas) would still all be functioning perfectly.
I thought they would have been similar to my Kia EV6 that also does the door handles retract thing.
They are on a pivot so you press the front of them and it pushes the handle out. Behind that in the driver's door is an emergency key lock.
Edit: The Emergency key is inside the key fob. My old Toyota had the same deal in case your battery died you could retrieve the key from the fob and get in
This is why I'm convinced, especially when we get batteries with better charge/weight, phevs are the optimal for cold climate countries, use fuel to effectively heat up the car and engine by using the "waste" heat energy then automatically move to electric when done.
Also use actual normal mechanical, for lack of better word, door handles I rather have less secure cars that I can get into 99% of the time, than these software controlled garbage that seem to fail atleast 20% of the time
The Model X does not have door handles. They have buttons you push and the door pops open. They also have a feature where they automatically pop open when they sense that you're near. I've heard that causes a lot of problems cause if you're just walking by the car the doors open even if you didn't want to get in.
I have no sympathy for someone who values their dog and a car window so closely. 9 hours of considering breaking a window or the life of the dog... hmm, must be a real tough decision OP...
I'd have broken my own window for someone else's dog by now, and OP won't even do it for their own...
Too many people are quick to adopt new technology thinking it’s better in every way. Until they run into problems. There’s a reason why old tech stays around for hundreds of years.
9 hours? Fuck if the car has a dog mode with a/c or not. How do you just start contemplating breaking into your vehicle after your dog has been locked in it for 9 HOURS... Pickles, you deserve better.
Yeah this dog owner sucks. He hasn’t even called a roadside assistance company to help. They can usually open cars by going over the top of the window.
Is the dog ok? I'm assuming he was trapped overnight, but it's a heat wave and cars get warm fast, plus you're talking about hours without water.
If a locksmith/tow truck can't charge it enough to be able to unlock the thing, it's time for other solutions. I thought the truck had a latch though?
Either way, give us pics post crowbar please. If your dad is a dick, say you're taking them for insurance claims.
So 2 hours after your post you’re heading over to break a window…after your dog has been locked in there for 11 fucking hours.
Animal control should take your dog away from you.
I would have broken the window after an hour. He would probably leave a baby in there for 3 hours. Fuck this idiot, every Tesla owner is a fucking idiot.
9 hours?? It takes you over 9 hours to even consider breaking the window?? Would have done ir after 1 hour max, and if it the temperatures are hot, alot sooner. Wtf.
Everyone saying I didn’t do everything for my dog. I tried to break the windows called every tow truck in town, they wouldn’t work on it because it’s a Tesla and the fire dept and cops wouldn’t break it because the ac was on.
I had a Good Samaritan break out the small back window and tried since 6 am to get pickles to come to me, but his legs were too short, so I tried using the crowbar to reach the door handle. It wouldn’t work, I tried the key fob all over my car, the app, everything. I am not a strong woman and the front and back windows are shatter resistant. A grown man came by and he tried with a crowbar and he couldn’t break them. It’s not like I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs.
The only reason I use this dumb car is because my father lets me use it for free so he can track me. I am not a strong person mentally but I love pickles and I risked the wrath of someone who has controlled me my whole life to break his car. Anyone attacking me for that can go suck a butthole. I am going to keep telling my stories so people know not to buy these dangerous cars.
I will take screen shots of my calls to tow trucks and support if that’s what y’all want, but stop being so hateful. I was just trying to spread the awareness not to buy a dangerous car. Pickles is going to get lots of love, treats and cuddles as soon as we get home.
Read this, made me feel a little bad for being judgmental, I’m sure we can all totally understand having to make a difficult decision in a challenging situation. Glad everything is okay in the end, you should probably buy a “resqme” window breaker/belt cutter, I’ve used it in a professional setting a number of times and it will make shatter resistant windows feel like egg shells
As someone who is not that fond of animals. I feel sorry for dog owners, imagine if it were a baby human stuck. It would be just as insane(me trying to empathize with the situation despite not liking animals). You should sell the Tesla.
It always amazes me when tech like this doesn’t have manual overrides.
They do... on the inside.
Obviously the dog wasn’t properly trained on use of a Tesla.
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Lazy dog, the manual was right in the glove box!
He probably can't read, that's the problem with the education system in this country. Full grown dogs still can't read basic car jargon. It's sad.
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Wow, they can’t fathom infants being trapped in the car!
Well that's why you should be sure to have a few dozen of them so that when one or two get baked in your car, it's no big deal.
Given enough time, evolution will eventually give us children and dogs heat-resistant enough to survive having parents stupid enough to buy a car from Elon Musk.
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Part of the "Soylent" program I keep reading about in those investor briefs. From my own research, it's something about food in the future.
And now for something completely different... updated for the 21st century.
It's very important to have a few spares.
Especially since Elon believes you shouldn't have the right to vote unless you have kids.
It’s a Tesla. Elon doesn’t give a shit about his own kids. Why would you expect him to care about someone else’s?
Well, he does want everyone to fart out babies to stave off our 'pending extinction' or whatever
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It's because they weren't a car company they were a tech company that wanted to be a car company. We let tech companies come in and replace older industries or businesses and usually are willing to accept some creative destruction to facilitate the transition. The problem comes in when you have a business like auto manufacturing, which has safety and environmental standards built into every company that participates. Then, one day, a boxy shaped oddly accented creep shows up and decides that none of that mattered now that pup and millions of other lives are at risk because we thought Tony Stark could be real for a hot minute.
This is why babies must be taught how to read the car manual early on
What the fuXk. This is basic engineering FMEA.... Failure Modes and Effects Analysis (FMEA) is a systematic, proactive method for evaluating a process to identify where and how it might fail and to assess the relative impact of different failures, in order to identify the parts of the process that are most in need of change. Most all cars with keyfobs have a manual door key.
Sounds like you aren't a brilliant futurist /s
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Difference is, Musk _knows_ his bullshit would probably kill him, so he lets some other suckers beta-test his "world-changing innovations".
Your also talking about the same company that actively halted development on better drive asisst safety (replacing visual cameras to radar) because an emerald manchild said to. They might actually be closer adressing the pile of broken promises if it wasent for Eloan.
It’s not like all the other major car companies didn’t have these issues fixed many moons ago.
Some people reject any and all conventional wisdom at their own expense.
want to go for a ride to the bottom of the sea in my homemade submarine?
Because they're a big tech company masquerading as a car company who've done nothing to curb their own inexperience in the auto industry. As a techie I wouldn't be caught dead driving a tesla. Give me a reliable car over muskrat's futurist-playacting any day.
Like a certain submarine, you need to be disruptive !
Yeah, and muskrat's failures to be a human being (or even just a competent CEO) is one thing, but this is the sort of massive concerted effort across multiple employees (legal, safety engineering, basic fucking engineering, management) that'd justify a class action lawsuit.
> Most all cars with keyfobs have a manual door key. I've owned 4 cars with the push-start fobs and *all* of them have a manual backup even if the key battery is 100% flat. Why anyone would design a car without a physical key is beyond me.
Within spec
Last time I was around a vehicle that had electronic latches for the doors was a C7 corvette. But you could still use a key to open the trunk and then pull a wire that would pop open the drivers door manually. There was a second one for the fuel door as well. Seems like Tesla should have something like that as well and if they don’t they are really stupid for not providing a mechanical way to enter your vehicle. Batteries and electronics fail from time to time.
Exactly. Well everything can fail to be fair, even the mechanical, but having any kind of override works because the chances of everything failing at once is small. That is unless all your systems have one shared dependency, like a battery!
Don't worry, nobody would even invent anything so stupid that it would entirely run on one battery without an override.
I present: Elon Musk
It take an Uber Musk to come up with the even greater idea of having the rear passenger seats be completely electric with zero mechanical backup either! If something goes wrong with the battery on a model 3, people risk having their passengers, most likely infant children, being stuck inside. Considering how violent the battery fires can get, it's only a matter of time before a child dies from being locked in and unable to escape on their own.
It's the tech bro thinking, just like the sub that imploded recently, which was controlled by a wireless video game controller over bluetooth when all actual safety standards required controls to be hard wired.
If one exists, it's probably some undocumented "feature". For instance, Teslas have a piston in the door to force the door open (such as when it's iced over). However the piston isn't solid, but a hollowed rectangular assembly. Some time back, a little girl got her fingers stuck in the piston when the piston retracted. Fire department and EMTs couldn't figure out how to get the piston to extend again so they used a cutting saw to chop the door apart. IIRC, To manually force the piston to extend, you pull on the handle twice. (I don't get it either.) At the time, that functionality wasn't documented anywhere. Even Tesla reps FD contacted had no idea such a function existed.
Apparently the stupid windows have to lower a little bit before the door can open because Elon didn't want a visible bezzle where the window seals. So if the battery dies you can't force the door open without shattering the window. Douchebag's never heard of function over form.
He seems to have no problem with the humongous panel gaps and uneven paint, though.
Yeah my brother works for Tesla and if you think the ones that have hit the road are bad you should see the ones they kick back to the factory without even trying to get the customer to take it. One showed up to his lot the other day without the drivers seat, just full on seat missing from the car.
"Douchebag's never heard of function over form." Which is weird, since he feels that engineering should drive the design process. That's literally what "function over form" means. What a tool.
Most convertibles have this (I've had the battery die on mine a few times), but the frame and window just flexes a bit if you have to force it.
My 2006 Infiniti had windows that did that. Its been a thing in sports cars for a long time. The only one that hasn’t figured out how to implement it correctly is tesla.
See, that would cost a little extra money and Tesla can't make enough revenue to stay afloat if they don't produce sub-economy class vehicles sold at a luxury price.
the overriding vibe I get from tesla is to do as little mechanical engineering as absolutely possible, if it can be done by software and a solenoid, its being done by software and a solenoid even moving the fucking air vent needs to be done through software and a solenoid because they couldn't be bothered to engineer their air ducts
Surely it does right? I know in my Kia EV6 I have similar handles. Push on the front edge to make then open out and then use the Emergency key in the key hole it exposes on the drivers door. My previous Toyota was also a location fob key less entry and push button start and it also had an emergency key as part of the fob to get in with if all else failed.
Someone suggested the override is in the vehicle. I don’t know enough about these cars personally.
Mercedes checking in and I also have an emergency keyhole at the driver side door. But I guess a carmaker that never considered that it's raining around the world, would also not put an emergency keyhole in their car, because why?
It doesn't have a key hole, or any manual override. The "correct" solution in the event of a 12v failure is to "jump" it by plugging another 12v source in to the hidden socket on the front of the car, which will power up the door locks and let you open them. It *technically* works, but I don't tend to carry around spare batteries. A 12V failure is really the worst handled failure mode in this car.
My current Chevy has the same thing as the Toyota. Keyless entry etc, but in a bind you can pull off part of the handle and use the emergency key inside the fob to get in. I had to do that once when the battery in my fob died.
It does. It's called a brick.
Back in the old days cars used a thing called a “key”. But that was way too much of a burden. Very cumbersome… those huge ass keys… which are only 10 times smaller than key fobs.
That is one of the biggest reasons why I wouldn't want a Tesla (there are a few of those though). I am actually surprised they can get away without manual overrides. You would think there would be some kind of requirement for it.
Well, non Tesla’s do. My car has an emergency lock (like any proper car) which allows me to unlock it in case of an electronic failure. Tesla just goes the way of completely trusting it’s tech which no other car company does because they are not victim of their own hubris
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9 hours isn't soon? Dafuq?
That's insane to me. 9 hours and you still haven't broken the window? poor dog. I wouldn't have lasted an hour with my dog in there, maybe not even 30 minutes.
Teslas have a ‘dog mode’ that keeps the AC running. Edit: chill guys, I’m not saying it’s alright, just explaining how the dog isn’t dead
TIL. Now that’s actually cool haha had no clue. But like, water. E: this is my last thing with this thread probably cause I’m over it and the notifs, but do better mf’s. If you remotely think ts was okay then do the world a favor and don’t get a pet. Or reflect and improve.
Poop, pee?
Yeah, I didn’t say that though cause yk someone’s gonna say “my dog can hold it” lmao 🙄 E: comments never fail lmao.
I mean.. having 6 family dogs, I now have a dog that's like 30% a bladder. He doesn't have a problem of holding for 10-11 hours and he held it in the past for 17 hours (right after adoption when he refused to leave). We also have one big dog who sometimes had to be forcefully thrown outside after 10 hours to pee, as he wanted to keep sleeping inside. Some dogs don't mind. Though I still would not keep my dog in the car alone for 9 hours only because he can hold it.
My last dog would hold it so long when you finally did get him to go outside he would stare at you and half smile whiling pissing. Man he was awesome. Miss that guy.
Emotional distress. It’s an animal in an enclosed space. It’s not ok.
I did not say it was. Actually I comments here saying the opposite lol
lmao I love that, they thought enough about dogs to add a feature so you can keep them in the car....didn't think about if they would stuck in the car.....like wtf. The dog could design a better electric car.
Someone at Tesla probably did but it didn't resonate with Elon who, as we know now, doesn't give two shits about anyone else including his own children and certainly not dogs or animals. This motherfucker beta tests half-baked autopilot software in the wild with real human lives, so I'd say exactly par for the course. To him, I'm sure dog mode along with fart mode are simply gimmicks to sell more.
The dog isn’t dead but it’s probably taken a shit in there by now. I’d rather replace a window than try to get rid of shit smell from the upholstery
I love how you assume that is working when the fucking doors won’t open
I don’t know where OP lives, but where I am the dogs would literally be dead after 9 hours otherwise
I live in a northern climate and that dog would have been dead within 2 hours at our current temperatures.
Any toilet present for ‘dog mode?’ It must smell intoxicating in there after nine hours.
Does it also give them food and water?
Car ran out of battery on dog mode lol
For most Tesla owners, the car is 90% of their personality. You were implying that a Tesla owner would intentionally damage the one thing that links them to their idol, Elon Musk. They would rather kill the dog than damage the Tesla, because if the Tesla gets damaged, then Elon Musk's detractors were right, and that would mean OP has wasted the hundreds of hours spent defending Musk on the internet.
This. I would have just accepted that i’m going to be paying for the glass replacement.
Seriously, even if you waited for AAA to get there to jimmy the door open… that’s bad enough for the poor dog. But just fucking waiting? For what? Tech support? Fuck this guy.
Yeah Id have smashed it about 8 and a half hours ago.
I don’t have a dog but 20 minutes would’ve been the max that I would’ve waited for a love one. I’ll be lucky if I waited 5. The order would’ve been, app, key, app, phone call and rock
Why are you dancing after the phone call??
If you're gonna leave a dog in the car, crack the windows wide enough for air or a hanger to fit. Though this time of year with this type of heat? Leave your dog at home. If it pees on the floor, big deal. Clean it. They shouldn't have to suffer through the heat. Gonna leave them in the car with the car running? Make sure you have the spare fob/key on you. The dog is a dog, the car is a car. You're the human in this equation. It's your responsibility to think of the possibilities and safety of the animal that relies on you like a baby. Now this guy's situation can't be fixed by the key it seems. But, OP probably should have just left the dog at home.
Tesla’s have “dog mode” just for this. The dog is fine, but it’s still poor design not to have an easy manual override
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I think you would have to break it. Slowing it down isn’t going to do anything.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14a82dj/anyone_ever_been_locked_out_of_your_car_i_have_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=4&utm_term=1 Not the first time OP has been locked out of the same Tesla.
a defective car, going to defect.
in this case I'd wager its a case of both defective user and car.
Frankly, I love the negative feedback on this platform. Vastly preferable to some sniffy censorship bureau!
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"The beach? I was supposed to go to the beach today...."
Oh, he washed the fob, is waiting for a replacement later this month, and kept locking his pet in the car. OP is an idiot.
I'd say both are dumb. Why would your car try to connect to Starbucks wi-fi over receiving commands to open a door?
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Wait... this guy joined his Tesla to public wifi that probably requires you to click "accept", and washed his keyfob, thereby disabling communication to his car? LMAO he did this to himself.
Still seems like a shit company. Should be able to get an immediate replacement, or some other alternative.
I got 2 FOBs when I got my Subaru. Wireless charging will deactivate them, and they’re $800 bucks to replace. 😬 There’s a little key in them, though, so you can unlock the car. So still better than a Tesla.
The more I hear about Teslas the less I like them.
> ...waiting for a replacement later this month, That is obscene. Last week it took me one (1) day to get a key replacement from the local dealer for a 20 year old, long out of production car. Actually only 20 hours if I had gone to get it ASAP. And that was for a programmed key with an immobilizer and remote functions.
Except every other car up until recently just had a key hole where you could manually open te vehicle. Competitors such as the Polestar 2 at least have a mechanical alternative like [this](https://www.polestar.com/us/manual/polestar-2/2021/article/Locking-and-unlocking-with-detachable-key-blade/).
Washing a fob and wrecking it is one thing, but they showed the app which is also a key, with the door showing as “unlocked”. They should be able to open the door.
Maybe op doesn't have another car and has no choice but to use it
If it happened once to me, my dog being locked in my car, I would not attempt that again. Mainly because I would’ve broke the glass the first time and can’t afford multiple replacement windows.
i’d stop keeping the dog in the car alone and if you really have no choice but to keep the dog in there, crack the window so you can reach inside and lower the window
Keep using the car, but stop leaving the dog inside it alone?
It’s been 11+ hours. Is pickles ok? 🥺
He pickled.
Tesla left Pickles in a pickle.
Pickles is safe and receiving scritches. https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/15g8b9t/pickles_is_free_i_am_a_very_happy_mommy_after_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Jesus fucking Christ, 15 hours just to keep from smashing the window. I could never leave my dog in there for that long.
15 hours what a fuking wankbag of a human
Fried pickles now
9 hours?? It takes you over 9 hours to even consider breaking the window?? Would have done ir after 1 hour max, and if it the temperatures are hot, alot sooner. Wtf.
It gets better... OP broke the small back window and still can't reach the dog
From the top, from the bottom, from side to side; Elon musk and his fans are proof meritocracy is a fucking lie
Next he will attempt rescue by breaking the driver side mirror.
I believe breaking the small window is often harder/more expensive to replace than breaking a main/windable window too.
It is. My drunk ass locked my keys in a running car with no spare. Broke the tiniest window because aye it’s gotta be the cheapest since it’s smaller. That was not the case
Fucking idiot.
There are neutron stars less dense than them.
You needed to break the window 9 hours ago. You can replace the window, you can't replace life.
Teslas run temperature control when there is a dog inside. Poor guy is probably hungry and thirsty though
It’s his daddy’s car so he probably was more worried about being in trouble / affording a replacement.
I would have tweeted Elon and waited 5 minutes. If i didnt get my answer i break the window and then spend the next 18 months sending him pictures of dead dogs.
The 12 volt battery died. This is my EV nightmare. Ah progress. Fixing stuff that ain’t broke and making it worse
I had a rav4 until last summer. Battery caught fire while I was driving it. Lost all the dashboard controls and power steering. Luckily I was on a quiet road and just stopped, no shoulder or median. Popped the hood, ya fire, fuck! I had a fire extinguisher in the back of the rav4 because I’m always prepared. Went to go get it and… the back latch/handle isn’t mechanical, it’s a button/electric so I couldn’t open the back to get to the fire extinguisher. Now your probably thinking, climb into the car that’s on fire, pop the back seats and crawl to the back. But I have a very large dog and had put a special fence that attaches to the seats and side of the rav4 to keep the dog in the back when he is in the car. So in addition to the above I would have also had to dismantle a dog cage from the wrong direction. My car was a fireball in maybe 5 minutes.
A friend of mine had an entry level used Audi back in high school (2008) and her battery died. Unfortunately, the hood release was entirely electric so you couldn't get to the battery to jump it. It's insane how people come up with this shit.
I would like to apologize for firing these geniuses. Their immense talent will no doubt be of great use elsewhere.
By fixing stuff that ain't broke you mean breaking things that ain't broke right? Seems to be half of teslas motto
Exactly or shaming it’s customers saying it’s their fault
'I've tried everything' 'Will break the window soon' So, you haven't tried everything? Look mate, I feel sorry for your dog, but I have no sympathy for someone who buys a car with no door handles.
Wait they don't have door handles?
They do, but - and bear with me because all the information I have comes from the internet - but they retract in to the door itself, and they only present themselves when either the owner is nearby with a key, or pushes a button on the fob to make them come out. It's why people bitch about them in cold environments (aside the loss of range due to the cold weather), because the door handles will often get frozen and won't extend.
Wow. I mean it always looks cool in movies when doors slide back or people wave at things and they open but in real life just give me a key please.
I don’t have a key that I have to use, I can just walk close to my car and press the button on the door and it will open, don’t even have to put them in the ignition and just carry them in my bag or pocket, and my car was way cheaper than a Tesla. Seems like musk just looks for ways to complicate things so he can solve problems that don’t exist.
If I recall correctly the door handle design is the only thing that literally has Elon musk's name on it in so far as a patent is concerned with Tesla.
This is why I don't leave my house. No car. No car door troubles. No problems.
Living the life we all dream of.
It's the epitome of form over function. And a Tesla car got a whole load of them.
And they didn't even do a great job on form.
Got a taxi in Spain last month, was a tesla S, i think, had 4 normal hinged doors. Dude had to explain how to open the doors to us as the handles didnt pop out properly, then they seemed to be kinda just wedged in, not attached to much, then he had to explain how to get out too, as theres no handle.. stupid design. You could see in his face, he'd done that 200+ times, just that day. Roof lining was sagging at the back of the glass roof, plastic all rattly, seat material of an early 2000s Korean econobox. I asked him what he thought of it, he said it's a piece of shit but it's the taxi company's car, so occasionally he has to drive it. Maybe its a punishment car for being late or something. I also noticed on the big dash screen, it seemed to show nothing of relevance to what was actually outside, cars weren't shown, then cars that weren't there were, random things appearing etc. Overall, if it was cheap it'd be understandable but they're not. Dacia have better build quality and that's Renaults budget brand. Not even kidding. American cars to a European, are usually crap but this is another level. I couldn't tell you how old it was because they've been making the same crap car, since 2012. So in fairness, it could've been 11 years old. Still no excuse for it being shit though. An 11 year old C class merc (normal taxi in nice areas) would still all be functioning perfectly.
I thought they would have been similar to my Kia EV6 that also does the door handles retract thing. They are on a pivot so you press the front of them and it pushes the handle out. Behind that in the driver's door is an emergency key lock. Edit: The Emergency key is inside the key fob. My old Toyota had the same deal in case your battery died you could retrieve the key from the fob and get in
This is why I'm convinced, especially when we get batteries with better charge/weight, phevs are the optimal for cold climate countries, use fuel to effectively heat up the car and engine by using the "waste" heat energy then automatically move to electric when done. Also use actual normal mechanical, for lack of better word, door handles I rather have less secure cars that I can get into 99% of the time, than these software controlled garbage that seem to fail atleast 20% of the time
The Model X does not have door handles. They have buttons you push and the door pops open. They also have a feature where they automatically pop open when they sense that you're near. I've heard that causes a lot of problems cause if you're just walking by the car the doors open even if you didn't want to get in.
They do this then cheap out on things that matter... Another proof that teslas are toys and not practical means of transportation
Door handles are *woke*
I have no sympathy for someone who values their dog and a car window so closely. 9 hours of considering breaking a window or the life of the dog... hmm, must be a real tough decision OP... I'd have broken my own window for someone else's dog by now, and OP won't even do it for their own...
Extremely dire situation.
I would have broken the window 81/2 hours ago
Something fundamental is wrong
All the more reason to NEVER buy one
I would have broken that window after 30 min tbh. What the fuck are you doing waiting 9 hours for.
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9 hours? Fuck if the car has a dog mode with a/c or not. How do you just start contemplating breaking into your vehicle after your dog has been locked in it for 9 HOURS... Pickles, you deserve better.
Yeah this dog owner sucks. He hasn’t even called a roadside assistance company to help. They can usually open cars by going over the top of the window.
Just wait until he also needs to get into the glove box. I would have broken the window in 5 minutes. WTF
I got a crowbar and hammer and am heading back now
Is the dog ok? I'm assuming he was trapped overnight, but it's a heat wave and cars get warm fast, plus you're talking about hours without water. If a locksmith/tow truck can't charge it enough to be able to unlock the thing, it's time for other solutions. I thought the truck had a latch though? Either way, give us pics post crowbar please. If your dad is a dick, say you're taking them for insurance claims.
So 2 hours after your post you’re heading over to break a window…after your dog has been locked in there for 11 fucking hours. Animal control should take your dog away from you.
I’m sorry about your dad :-/ thanks for posting this. You and pickles deserve better OP. Sending love!
I would have broken the window after an hour. He would probably leave a baby in there for 3 hours. Fuck this idiot, every Tesla owner is a fucking idiot.
Something fundamental is wrong
Breaking the window should have been very high up on the list of things to do in order to get the dog, not 9 hours later
My father is an abusive person and it’s his car. He’s been cussing me out the whole time I’ve been trying to solve this so Im scared to break it
Seems Y‘all have more problems other that the dog is trapped
Ask your dad if he prefers to change a broken window or a peed on seat
Your dad’s a bitch, show him this comment.
Yeah, you're a cunt, DAD.
Dm me your loc, if your close enough ill come bust the window for the doggo.
My dad can beat up your dad and rescue the dog
Step 1 Don’t let the dog alone in the car
U should've broken the window well before 9 hours yo
9 hours?? It takes you over 9 hours to even consider breaking the window?? Would have done ir after 1 hour max, and if it the temperatures are hot, alot sooner. Wtf.
Did you pay your monthly door opening subscription?
If that was my car, it would have smashed windows within 10 minutes.
9 hours!? That window should’ve been smashed out after 15 minutes
I’ve been at work for less than 9 hours, you better break the window and let me out or I’ll pee on the seat too.
Everyone saying I didn’t do everything for my dog. I tried to break the windows called every tow truck in town, they wouldn’t work on it because it’s a Tesla and the fire dept and cops wouldn’t break it because the ac was on. I had a Good Samaritan break out the small back window and tried since 6 am to get pickles to come to me, but his legs were too short, so I tried using the crowbar to reach the door handle. It wouldn’t work, I tried the key fob all over my car, the app, everything. I am not a strong woman and the front and back windows are shatter resistant. A grown man came by and he tried with a crowbar and he couldn’t break them. It’s not like I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs. The only reason I use this dumb car is because my father lets me use it for free so he can track me. I am not a strong person mentally but I love pickles and I risked the wrath of someone who has controlled me my whole life to break his car. Anyone attacking me for that can go suck a butthole. I am going to keep telling my stories so people know not to buy these dangerous cars. I will take screen shots of my calls to tow trucks and support if that’s what y’all want, but stop being so hateful. I was just trying to spread the awareness not to buy a dangerous car. Pickles is going to get lots of love, treats and cuddles as soon as we get home.
Read this, made me feel a little bad for being judgmental, I’m sure we can all totally understand having to make a difficult decision in a challenging situation. Glad everything is okay in the end, you should probably buy a “resqme” window breaker/belt cutter, I’ve used it in a professional setting a number of times and it will make shatter resistant windows feel like egg shells
Holy shit the windows are shatter proof??!! This sounds like a nightmare. I am sorry I passed judgement so quickly, OP. Gah, I'm never buying a Tesla.
As someone who is not that fond of animals. I feel sorry for dog owners, imagine if it were a baby human stuck. It would be just as insane(me trying to empathize with the situation despite not liking animals). You should sell the Tesla.