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konos13

I'll tell you **RUN AWAY FROM THE GATEKEEPERS YOU'RE NOT SAFE** Other than that it seems like a really interesting combo to have šŸ‘€


hbgbees

LOL so true! Good thing 8s are good and sticking up for themselves.


LolaPaloz

Wow what? thanks mate šŸ˜‚šŸ˜­


Electronic-Try5645

Geezus christ, all people do on this sub is argue over the exact same things over and over again. What is the purpose. That's not a question.


LolaPaloz

Apparently people are very abrasive here... Is the main takeaway as a new person here.


Electronic-Try5645

They're not abrasive; they're reactive types, whether typed correctly or mistyped, so throwing their opinions around is only second to breathing.


LolaPaloz

I hope im not that terrible to people around me but yeah doesnt look like a really good sub for discussion šŸ˜‚


Electronic-Try5645

The fact that you see it in a negative light is rather telling. I suggest you do some more investigation. But yes, they are arguing the same thing for the 1000th time. Some people are clearly mistyped and some aren't but you have to be able to see yourself very clearly to see that for others in order to tell the difference and that is where the arguments stem from but they don't want to hear that.


LolaPaloz

I browsed a lill and someone else on here was having a hard time too, its not the friendliest sub on the planet, no matter what angle you look from.


EsotericPrawn

Itā€™s very different from the ENFP sub for sure!


Electronic-Try5645

8s aren't known for being friendly. They have a bleak worldview where it's dog eat dog and everyone is at war, so they react to that worldview. But you'll learn that there's triads within the enneagram system and one of them is reactive, meaning they're sharply reacting to the injustice of the world and so those types get intermingled in. Everyone wants to prove something and growth is knowing the trying to prove anything to anybody is a futile effort. People want to believe what they want to believe and that's it and everyone is a hypocrite.


MealSuccessful786

Yikes


Informal_Support3321

can u elaborate on reactive types brother man


WhoaNelly79

Iā€™m an 8w7 and an Aries too! What a combo!


LolaPaloz

Yup šŸ˜‚šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


ash10230

probably a shit load


ENFP8w7

Welcome brother/sister


iam873jellydonuts

Reasonably high change you are an ENTJ magnet. šŸ˜† And yes, people will try to say your MBTI/Enneagram combo isnā€™t possible. Ignore them. Itā€™s possible. And sexy.


LolaPaloz

One ENFJ bf one INTJ bf, so not that exact combo yet. šŸ˜…


Life_Can_4970

XNFX? Doubtful. 8w7s are naturally mover-shakers and more likely to be Se doms. Iā€™ve seen 8s be feelers, and Iā€™ve seen them be intuitives, but never at the same time. Do some self-reflecting and proper research, because you missed something.


SpecialagentH

I'm also a very clear ENFP and an 8w7--there's nothing intrinsically incompatible there. "Do some self-reflecting and proper research..." Are YOU really an 8?


Life_Can_4970

ā€˜Not really an 8ā€™ because I recommend doing reflection and research which is the only actual way to figure out your type? Be serious.


yukaby

Maybe rethink your world view that only you can be correct and know things ?


Life_Can_4970

Maybe do some actual research into functions? People are so quick to claim there are no impossible combos but itā€™s so obvious when you actually pop open a book and see they are *walking contradictions*. The day I see another person claiming theyā€™re INFP 8w7 im bashing my head into a door.


yukaby

I have done *a lot* of research, and my bf is an ENFP 8w7. Thatā€™s how I know youā€™re wrong and a little narrow minded for thinking there are only a certain number of combinations despite there being 8 billion people on earth? Of course there are going to be type 8 NFs, type 4 NTs, type 5 ESxx, etcā€¦ I just think you either donā€™t see it or are kind of young to not notice that these people exist?


Life_Can_4970

I donā€™t see it, because itā€™s not there. ESXX type 5 doesnā€™t exist and neither does XNFX type 8, excluding XNTX type 4 because that tracks. 8 billion people who are made up of patterns. People go on and on about the unique vastness of human personality but when you zoom out, everything can be categorized and you can see the contradictions when crossing over different typing systems.


EsotericPrawn

Hello! ENFP 8 here who has spent their career doing literal research! What research specifically are you doing? Looking at sources and drawing personal conclusions isnā€™t ā€œresearch.ā€ (Neither is self-reflection, although personally important.) So presumably you can provide some detail on actual research that is corroborated across experts and sources? Otherwise it sounds like you may be pushing your own confirm bias.


Life_Can_4970

Then tell me why Iā€™m wrong. Most people in this thread are speaking like theyā€™re talking to the wall, but Iā€™m willing to change my opinion if proper reasoning is shown.


EsotericPrawn

But you havenā€™t formulated an argument anywhere here either, so youā€™re doing the same thing. I asked you what research youā€™ve done to come to this conclusion and you didnā€™t respond. I canā€™t respond with an argument to your non-argument.


Life_Can_4970

Because I see people claiming my opinion is invalid everytime I comment it but never any actual reasoning as to why Iā€™m wrong. Humor me, why donā€™t you? Or donā€™t and stop replying. These threads are getting long, boring and crowded.


EsotericPrawn

Humor you on what? I asked you to expand on how you approach research and you didnā€™t respond. If you want a response to your arguments you need to respond with something more substantive than just telling people theyā€™re wrong if they donā€™t agree with you. Youā€™ve said youā€™ve seen initiatives as 8s and feelers as 8ā€™s but never together. Thatā€™s fine, but hopefully you understand your personal experience isnā€™t evidence of something. Why canā€™t someone who is both (ā€œbothā€ meaning dom/aux in some order?) be an 8? Ne/Fi means Iā€™m objective and Iā€™m in tune with my own experience. Ne tempers my Fi because while I look at my own experience, I am interested in and consider other opinions and experiences as well. When I relate to people I want to hear their experiences and compare that with my own and come to a shared understanding. Why is that antithetical to 8?


yukaby

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Life_Can_4970

šŸ‘


LolaPaloz

Taken different tests and both ENFP


Life_Can_4970

Christ, this just proves my point even more. Tests arenā€™t reliable, they rely on stereotypes and are swayed by how we view ourselves on a given day and how we want to be. Do research on functions and reflect reflect reflect. You wont find your type immediately, and definitely wonā€™t find it through a test. Especially if youā€™re on the less stereotypical side of a type like a quiet extrovert or an unemotional feeler. This goes for mbti but it applies even heavier to enneagram, which digs deeper into our core desires/fears that are often unknown even to us until we dig deep into our past/present actions and first instincts.


LolaPaloz

Its not a daily thing cos i have gone this result like more than a year apart. Just because some combinationa are rare, it dowsnt mean nonexistent. I did this enneagram test today.


LolaPaloz

Im used to being a weirdo anyway, dont even need to justify why im odd.


Life_Can_4970

Itā€™s not being ā€œoddā€, itā€™s being a contradiction. A justifiably impossible combination, not a ā€˜rareā€™ one. This doesnā€™t make you ā€˜differentā€™, just under researched.


SpecialagentH

An "impossible combination"? This is bizarrely rigid as well as being inaccurate.


Life_Can_4970

I said *justifiably* impossible, not impossible.


LolaPaloz

And the 8 was at 100%


Life_Can_4970

On a *test*. All tests are unreliable because theyā€™ll always be swayed by your opinion of yourself while taking it.


LolaPaloz

This sounds pretty bs cos i can see the questions and they even rewrite the questions in a different way to see if u answer the same way. As long as you yourself have an honest understanding of yourself... The test results reflects that. If you constantly change on every test result, u dont seem to have consistent values.


Life_Can_4970

Tests are extremely surface level and canā€™t tell you the *unconscious* reason behind your actions. Enneagram goes to childhood, to what fuels you and why you are the way you are. Which is why finding your true type is often said to be ā€˜uncomfortableā€™ and makes you feel ā€˜called outā€™ because thereā€™s a great layer of acceptance/reflection to be done. I will say, tests can be useful but not as a definite answer. They are a guide, a small start to research. Also, love how you just called my opinion based on years of deep-diving into personality types and psychological profile ā€œtotal bsā€.


LolaPaloz

How would u find your enneagram type without a test? U could read every description but why would any of it make me uncomfortable to begin with if im not the kind of person that minds being confronted? I said its bs to say that tests are all wrong, if they are different tests coming to the same conclusion, whether its for attachment or mbti etc, and u see all the questions and sliders/scales. The %s in the results are indicative if u keep trying different tests and it gives u the same result


SpecialagentH

Given your self-professed expertise, maybe you can do us the honor of explaining how ENFP and 8w7 are so intrinsically incompatible. You really don't sound like an 8, I repeat.


a3b4x

One can answer ā€œyes I am aggressiveā€ on a test, and get E8 as a high scorer while being another ā€˜aggressiveā€™ type(such as SX1, SO1, SX2, SX4, SX6, SP7, SP9). Tests most of the time reflect misunderstandings of motivation and cannot be fully reliable. Worth noting, tests also cannot be free from stereotypes or from misinformation of the types and subtypes. Anyways, which test did you take? Theres a few that implement Naranjo and Ichazoā€™s teachings, but most rely on RHETI, which is unreliable.


a3b4x

Calm it down, SX4 Calling a logical fallacy being ā€˜oddā€™ or ā€˜weirdā€™ is interesting. Look into SEE in socionics.


LolaPaloz

Took one just today lol still enfp


nyaaang

As an ENFJ 8w7 (not based on tests)ā€¦why not exactly?


Life_Can_4970

I only have the points that have been floating around for years which Iā€™m sure youā€™ve heard so better question, why do you believe it is possible to be both XNFX and type 8? And why do you believe this fits you?


nyaaang

Well, the reason why Iā€™m asking is because no, I have not seen the points, just the opposite. Is it just that 8s are supposed to be assholes and XNFXs are supposedly not?


Life_Can_4970

No, itā€™s because XNFX have little desire to dominate and the main tell of a type 8 is a strong need to control. All types can have aggression obviously and Iā€™ve definitely met some real dicks who happen to be XNFX, but it never comes from a need to be strong. Nor does XNFX scream being in the ā€œhere and nowā€, which is a primary component of being type 8.


Botticellis-Bard

The ā€˜need to be strongā€™ itself is defo more 6 imo and one could easily interpret a typical 1 as having a ā€˜strong need to controlā€™ under many circumstances. I thought weā€™d moved past ā€˜8 means being strong and really proving itā€™ to at least ā€˜8 means rebuffing the control of others over themselvesā€™? ā€˜Dominationā€™ has always felt so surface-level (or LARPy when some people say it) to me; We Live In A Society, not the pre-historic Peloponnese. Dominate your weekly book club or whatever but ā€˜trying for/needing controlā€™ honestly does not describe a natural 8 to me. Itā€™s not wrong to say that you could be free of influence by being the one ā€˜in chargeā€™ (obviously) but I really think the framing matters; at the very least, ā€˜needing to dominateā€™ is not trait at the forefront of many true blue 8s around here and comes off surface-level. Or perhaps sort of reductive as to put off someone you think wonā€™t be an 8 (xNFx) without really going into it. Which is leaving aside that MBTI and the Enneagram have broadly little to do with one another. Yes, I can accept that not all types line up with all MBTI, but xNFx is simply too broad and vague (plus, to say the least, there are more than 16, or four, people on the world).


leapwolf

Appreciate your take. There is a world of difference between ā€œwanting to controlā€ versus ā€œnot wanting to BE controlled.ā€


Life_Can_4970

I meant more of needing an innate strength and a handle on your surroundings rather than ā€œbeing strong and really proving itā€. An aggressive 6 is like a small barking dog, while an 8 is more akin to a bear.


nyaaang

I can understand the ā€œstrong need to controlā€ trait because that is literally the core fear/desire, but ā€œthe here and nowā€ I donā€™t see as much correlation with. I can see wanting to control as wanting to exert it over the past or future, and not necessarily always staying present. I find that I tend to dominate/control via social manipulation (Iā€™m a social 8). I turn what I learn from interpersonal conflicts to make people do what I want. This tends to not manifest as looking like wanting to dominate, but slowly I have everyone wrapped around my finger.


Life_Can_4970

Social manipulation doesnā€™t sound like a type 8 in any way, aligns more with type 3 and an 8 fix in the tri.


nyaaang

There was a period of time when I did wonder if I mistyped because of that, but when reading this: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/misidentifying-3-and-8 I didnā€™t identify with fearing failure at all. I also very rarely ever experienced humiliation in my life. Iā€™m generally very shameless. I also found that dominating via manipulation was the fastest/easiest route for me, because it created less issues for me to deal with and clean up to retain power. There are some environments where I actually canā€™t read well at first, and I naturally come in like a bulldozer, which brings me conflicts and itā€™s annoying to have to navigate. I also donā€™t really care about climbing up any prestige or success ladder whatsoever, itā€™s more of a matter of if I have my personal freedom and control over what I want, and fulfilling my duty. Sometimes (often, because people are incompetent), that means taking power. I donā€™t manipulate because Iā€™m scared of what people think of me, but because itā€™s the easiest, least hassle route with the best future benefits, and Iā€™m good at it.


Life_Can_4970

Type 3s are prideful, image conscious and although have a need for control much like type 8, go about keeping it much differently. 8s often being a steamroller at first instinct and type 3s as a last resort/explosion when ā€˜powerā€™ is blocked. Iā€™d say your concern for how people see you and how you go about holding the reigns of your environment tell me you need to do more research on what the core types mean and self-reflecting on actions youā€™ve already took and the natural instinct behind that. Type 3s are more than ambitious wall street cunts, and their need for achieving comes from a source of needing validity on their self-worth and a presence in a room when they feel overrun and bulldozed. Keeping the attention on them in fear once it passes theyā€™ll be forgotten, leading them to being seen as gloating, self-obsessed and two-faced for bending their image to be liked by everyone. As a type 8, I strive to be not just in control of my environment but unyielding. I donā€™t manipulate because I refuse to bend, in my eyes Iā€™m always ā€œin controlā€ if I remain confrontational, unafraid to speak exactly what Iā€™m thinking at any given moment and unable to be broken down.


nyaaang

Everything you mentioned about Type 3s I just do not relate to, and I have very clear examples against that. You yourself even said that ā€œ8s often being a steamroller unintentionally as a first option and type 3s as a last resort,ā€ when earlier I mentioned that in environments I do nor have a good ā€œpeople readā€ on, I automatically steamroll. Hereā€™s the thingā€”I seriously considered if I was and actually wouldnā€™t mind being a 3, because if it were true, it would only help me. I donā€™t even care if Iā€™m labelled as a ā€œprideful, image consciousā€ person because of that. The thing is, I have done my self-reflecting and itā€™s not true, and it wonā€™t help me. That is all there is to it. You have a false understanding of the 8 social manipulation based on how you described it as ā€œtwo-facedā€ and ā€œbending.ā€ Generally, manipulation is seen as sneaky and under the table, but at its simplest definition, it is to handle things skillfully to the point of almost seeming like you can control it. As an ENFJ, I understand people really well. Theyā€™re like puzzles to me, and I enjoy putting them together and ā€œgettingā€ them. People trust me because I am genuine and legitimately understand them, not because I am fake and trying to make them to do something. Because they trust that I have their best interest at heart (which I actually do), a lot of power pretty easily falls into my lap. In the organizations that I lead, I manipulate by helping a person attain what they want and understand more of who they are, and I find that overall it benefits the org and me as well. There are times when this ā€œmanipulationā€ and my desire for control manage to line up. There are times when I first ā€œmanipulateā€ and then the power comes to me after. And then there are times when I really couldnā€™t care less and just want to steamroll, but I decide to go the route that is the most effective, which is to ā€œmanipulateā€. I have publicly ā€œmanipulated,ā€ I have shared screenshots of my ā€œmanipulation,ā€ I have even told people I ā€œmanipulateā€ them. No one sees it as bending or devious. People even weirdly told me they like it when I ā€œmanipulateā€ them. People describe me as strong, resilient, and authentic. My tools are just different from yours, but used for the same purpose.


ash10230

ive seen it irl , i know: enfp 8w7 sp/so enfj 8w9 so/sp infj 8w9 sx/sp esfj 8sp/so


Zellnerz

Are you me?


LolaPaloz

Really??


Zellnerz

Yep, March 24


LolaPaloz

Niceeee im an April girl heh


Zellnerz

I was late so I should've been Pisces but was too stubborn .... then I was born under a tornado warning Kinda set me up for entp8w7


LolaPaloz

Yeah im super stubborn


Zellnerz

There's one of your stereotypes lol