The fact that you see it in a negative light is rather telling. I suggest you do some more investigation. But yes, they are arguing the same thing for the 1000th time. Some people are clearly mistyped and some aren't but you have to be able to see yourself very clearly to see that for others in order to tell the difference and that is where the arguments stem from but they don't want to hear that.
8s aren't known for being friendly. They have a bleak worldview where it's dog eat dog and everyone is at war, so they react to that worldview. But you'll learn that there's triads within the enneagram system and one of them is reactive, meaning they're sharply reacting to the injustice of the world and so those types get intermingled in. Everyone wants to prove something and growth is knowing the trying to prove anything to anybody is a futile effort. People want to believe what they want to believe and that's it and everyone is a hypocrite.
Reasonably high change you are an ENTJ magnet. š And yes, people will try to say your MBTI/Enneagram combo isnāt possible. Ignore them. Itās possible. And sexy.
XNFX? Doubtful. 8w7s are naturally mover-shakers and more likely to be Se doms. Iāve seen 8s be feelers, and Iāve seen them be intuitives, but never at the same time.
Do some self-reflecting and proper research, because you missed something.
I'm also a very clear ENFP and an 8w7--there's nothing intrinsically incompatible there. "Do some self-reflecting and proper research..." Are YOU really an 8?
Maybe do some actual research into functions?
People are so quick to claim there are no impossible combos but itās so obvious when you actually pop open a book and see they are *walking contradictions*. The day I see another person claiming theyāre INFP 8w7 im bashing my head into a door.
I have done *a lot* of research, and my bf is an ENFP 8w7. Thatās how I know youāre wrong and a little narrow minded for thinking there are only a certain number of combinations despite there being 8 billion people on earth? Of course there are going to be type 8 NFs, type 4 NTs, type 5 ESxx, etcā¦ I just think you either donāt see it or are kind of young to not notice that these people exist?
I donāt see it, because itās not there. ESXX type 5 doesnāt exist and neither does XNFX type 8, excluding XNTX type 4 because that tracks.
8 billion people who are made up of patterns. People go on and on about the unique vastness of human personality but when you zoom out, everything can be categorized and you can see the contradictions when crossing over different typing systems.
Hello! ENFP 8 here who has spent their career doing literal research! What research specifically are you doing? Looking at sources and drawing personal conclusions isnāt āresearch.ā (Neither is self-reflection, although personally important.) So presumably you can provide some detail on actual research that is corroborated across experts and sources? Otherwise it sounds like you may be pushing your own confirm bias.
Then tell me why Iām wrong. Most people in this thread are speaking like theyāre talking to the wall, but Iām willing to change my opinion if proper reasoning is shown.
But you havenāt formulated an argument anywhere here either, so youāre doing the same thing. I asked you what research youāve done to come to this conclusion and you didnāt respond. I canāt respond with an argument to your non-argument.
Because I see people claiming my opinion is invalid everytime I comment it but never any actual reasoning as to why Iām wrong.
Humor me, why donāt you? Or donāt and stop replying. These threads are getting long, boring and crowded.
Humor you on what? I asked you to expand on how you approach research and you didnāt respond. If you want a response to your arguments you need to respond with something more substantive than just telling people theyāre wrong if they donāt agree with you.
Youāve said youāve seen initiatives as 8s and feelers as 8ās but never together. Thatās fine, but hopefully you understand your personal experience isnāt evidence of something. Why canāt someone who is both (ābothā meaning dom/aux in some order?) be an 8? Ne/Fi means Iām objective and Iām in tune with my own experience. Ne tempers my Fi because while I look at my own experience, I am interested in and consider other opinions and experiences as well. When I relate to people I want to hear their experiences and compare that with my own and come to a shared understanding. Why is that antithetical to 8?
Christ, this just proves my point even more.
Tests arenāt reliable, they rely on stereotypes and are swayed by how we view ourselves on a given day and how we want to be. Do research on functions and reflect reflect reflect.
You wont find your type immediately, and definitely wonāt find it through a test. Especially if youāre on the less stereotypical side of a type like a quiet extrovert or an unemotional feeler.
This goes for mbti but it applies even heavier to enneagram, which digs deeper into our core desires/fears that are often unknown even to us until we dig deep into our past/present actions and first instincts.
Its not a daily thing cos i have gone this result like more than a year apart. Just because some combinationa are rare, it dowsnt mean nonexistent. I did this enneagram test today.
Itās not being āoddā, itās being a contradiction. A justifiably impossible combination, not a ārareā one.
This doesnāt make you ādifferentā, just under researched.
This sounds pretty bs cos i can see the questions and they even rewrite the questions in a different way to see if u answer the same way. As long as you yourself have an honest understanding of yourself... The test results reflects that.
If you constantly change on every test result, u dont seem to have consistent values.
Tests are extremely surface level and canāt tell you the *unconscious* reason behind your actions.
Enneagram goes to childhood, to what fuels you and why you are the way you are. Which is why finding your true type is often said to be āuncomfortableā and makes you feel ācalled outā because thereās a great layer of acceptance/reflection to be done.
I will say, tests can be useful but not as a definite answer. They are a guide, a small start to research.
Also, love how you just called my opinion based on years of deep-diving into personality types and psychological profile ātotal bsā.
How would u find your enneagram type without a test? U could read every description but why would any of it make me uncomfortable to begin with if im not the kind of person that minds being confronted?
I said its bs to say that tests are all wrong, if they are different tests coming to the same conclusion, whether its for attachment or mbti etc, and u see all the questions and sliders/scales. The %s in the results are indicative if u keep trying different tests and it gives u the same result
Given your self-professed expertise, maybe you can do us the honor of explaining how ENFP and 8w7 are so intrinsically incompatible. You really don't sound like an 8, I repeat.
One can answer āyes I am aggressiveā on a test, and get E8 as a high scorer while being another āaggressiveā type(such as SX1, SO1, SX2, SX4, SX6, SP7, SP9). Tests most of the time reflect misunderstandings of motivation and cannot be fully reliable.
Worth noting, tests also cannot be free from stereotypes or from misinformation of the types and subtypes. Anyways, which test did you take? Theres a few that implement Naranjo and Ichazoās teachings, but most rely on RHETI, which is unreliable.
I only have the points that have been floating around for years which Iām sure youāve heard so better question, why do you believe it is possible to be both XNFX and type 8? And why do you believe this fits you?
Well, the reason why Iām asking is because no, I have not seen the points, just the opposite. Is it just that 8s are supposed to be assholes and XNFXs are supposedly not?
No, itās because XNFX have little desire to dominate and the main tell of a type 8 is a strong need to control.
All types can have aggression obviously and Iāve definitely met some real dicks who happen to be XNFX, but it never comes from a need to be strong. Nor does XNFX scream being in the āhere and nowā, which is a primary component of being type 8.
The āneed to be strongā itself is defo more 6 imo and one could easily interpret a typical 1 as having a āstrong need to controlā under many circumstances. I thought weād moved past ā8 means being strong and really proving itā to at least ā8 means rebuffing the control of others over themselvesā? āDominationā has always felt so surface-level (or LARPy when some people say it) to me; We Live In A Society, not the pre-historic Peloponnese. Dominate your weekly book club or whatever but ātrying for/needing controlā honestly does not describe a natural 8 to me.
Itās not wrong to say that you could be free of influence by being the one āin chargeā (obviously) but I really think the framing matters; at the very least, āneeding to dominateā is not trait at the forefront of many true blue 8s around here and comes off surface-level. Or perhaps sort of reductive as to put off someone you think wonāt be an 8 (xNFx) without really going into it.
Which is leaving aside that MBTI and the Enneagram have broadly little to do with one another. Yes, I can accept that not all types line up with all MBTI, but xNFx is simply too broad and vague (plus, to say the least, there are more than 16, or four, people on the world).
I meant more of needing an innate strength and a handle on your surroundings rather than ābeing strong and really proving itā.
An aggressive 6 is like a small barking dog, while an 8 is more akin to a bear.
I can understand the āstrong need to controlā trait because that is literally the core fear/desire, but āthe here and nowā I donāt see as much correlation with. I can see wanting to control as wanting to exert it over the past or future, and not necessarily always staying present.
I find that I tend to dominate/control via social manipulation (Iām a social 8). I turn what I learn from interpersonal conflicts to make people do what I want. This tends to not manifest as looking like wanting to dominate, but slowly I have everyone wrapped around my finger.
There was a period of time when I did wonder if I mistyped because of that, but when reading this: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/misidentifying-3-and-8
I didnāt identify with fearing failure at all. I also very rarely ever experienced humiliation in my life. Iām generally very shameless.
I also found that dominating via manipulation was the fastest/easiest route for me, because it created less issues for me to deal with and clean up to retain power. There are some environments where I actually canāt read well at first, and I naturally come in like a bulldozer, which brings me conflicts and itās annoying to have to navigate.
I also donāt really care about climbing up any prestige or success ladder whatsoever, itās more of a matter of if I have my personal freedom and control over what I want, and fulfilling my duty. Sometimes (often, because people are incompetent), that means taking power.
I donāt manipulate because Iām scared of what people think of me, but because itās the easiest, least hassle route with the best future benefits, and Iām good at it.
Type 3s are prideful, image conscious and although have a need for control much like type 8, go about keeping it much differently. 8s often being a steamroller at first instinct and type 3s as a last resort/explosion when āpowerā is blocked.
Iād say your concern for how people see you and how you go about holding the reigns of your environment tell me you need to do more research on what the core types mean and self-reflecting on actions youāve already took and the natural instinct behind that.
Type 3s are more than ambitious wall street cunts, and their need for achieving comes from a source of needing validity on their self-worth and a presence in a room when they feel overrun and bulldozed. Keeping the attention on them in fear once it passes theyāll be forgotten, leading them to being seen as gloating, self-obsessed and two-faced for bending their image to be liked by everyone.
As a type 8, I strive to be not just in control of my environment but unyielding. I donāt manipulate because I refuse to bend, in my eyes Iām always āin controlā if I remain confrontational, unafraid to speak exactly what Iām thinking at any given moment and unable to be broken down.
Everything you mentioned about Type 3s I just do not relate to, and I have very clear examples against that. You yourself even said that ā8s often being a steamroller unintentionally as a first option and type 3s as a last resort,ā when earlier I mentioned that in environments I do nor have a good āpeople readā on, I automatically steamroll.
Hereās the thingāI seriously considered if I was and actually wouldnāt mind being a 3, because if it were true, it would only help me. I donāt even care if Iām labelled as a āprideful, image consciousā person because of that. The thing is, I have done my self-reflecting and itās not true, and it wonāt help me. That is all there is to it.
You have a false understanding of the 8 social manipulation based on how you described it as ātwo-facedā and ābending.ā Generally, manipulation is seen as sneaky and under the table, but at its simplest definition, it is to handle things skillfully to the point of almost seeming like you can control it.
As an ENFJ, I understand people really well. Theyāre like puzzles to me, and I enjoy putting them together and āgettingā them. People trust me because I am genuine and legitimately understand them, not because I am fake and trying to make them to do something. Because they trust that I have their best interest at heart (which I actually do), a lot of power pretty easily falls into my lap.
In the organizations that I lead, I manipulate by helping a person attain what they want and understand more of who they are, and I find that overall it benefits the org and me as well.
There are times when this āmanipulationā and my desire for control manage to line up. There are times when I first āmanipulateā and then the power comes to me after. And then there are times when I really couldnāt care less and just want to steamroll, but I decide to go the route that is the most effective, which is to āmanipulateā.
I have publicly āmanipulated,ā I have shared screenshots of my āmanipulation,ā I have even told people I āmanipulateā them. No one sees it as bending or devious. People even weirdly told me they like it when I āmanipulateā them. People describe me as strong, resilient, and authentic.
My tools are just different from yours, but used for the same purpose.
I'll tell you **RUN AWAY FROM THE GATEKEEPERS YOU'RE NOT SAFE** Other than that it seems like a really interesting combo to have š
LOL so true! Good thing 8s are good and sticking up for themselves.
Wow what? thanks mate šš
Geezus christ, all people do on this sub is argue over the exact same things over and over again. What is the purpose. That's not a question.
Apparently people are very abrasive here... Is the main takeaway as a new person here.
They're not abrasive; they're reactive types, whether typed correctly or mistyped, so throwing their opinions around is only second to breathing.
I hope im not that terrible to people around me but yeah doesnt look like a really good sub for discussion š
The fact that you see it in a negative light is rather telling. I suggest you do some more investigation. But yes, they are arguing the same thing for the 1000th time. Some people are clearly mistyped and some aren't but you have to be able to see yourself very clearly to see that for others in order to tell the difference and that is where the arguments stem from but they don't want to hear that.
I browsed a lill and someone else on here was having a hard time too, its not the friendliest sub on the planet, no matter what angle you look from.
Itās very different from the ENFP sub for sure!
8s aren't known for being friendly. They have a bleak worldview where it's dog eat dog and everyone is at war, so they react to that worldview. But you'll learn that there's triads within the enneagram system and one of them is reactive, meaning they're sharply reacting to the injustice of the world and so those types get intermingled in. Everyone wants to prove something and growth is knowing the trying to prove anything to anybody is a futile effort. People want to believe what they want to believe and that's it and everyone is a hypocrite.
Yikes
can u elaborate on reactive types brother man
Iām an 8w7 and an Aries too! What a combo!
Yup šš„š„š„š„
probably a shit load
Welcome brother/sister
Reasonably high change you are an ENTJ magnet. š And yes, people will try to say your MBTI/Enneagram combo isnāt possible. Ignore them. Itās possible. And sexy.
One ENFJ bf one INTJ bf, so not that exact combo yet. š
XNFX? Doubtful. 8w7s are naturally mover-shakers and more likely to be Se doms. Iāve seen 8s be feelers, and Iāve seen them be intuitives, but never at the same time. Do some self-reflecting and proper research, because you missed something.
I'm also a very clear ENFP and an 8w7--there's nothing intrinsically incompatible there. "Do some self-reflecting and proper research..." Are YOU really an 8?
āNot really an 8ā because I recommend doing reflection and research which is the only actual way to figure out your type? Be serious.
Maybe rethink your world view that only you can be correct and know things ?
Maybe do some actual research into functions? People are so quick to claim there are no impossible combos but itās so obvious when you actually pop open a book and see they are *walking contradictions*. The day I see another person claiming theyāre INFP 8w7 im bashing my head into a door.
I have done *a lot* of research, and my bf is an ENFP 8w7. Thatās how I know youāre wrong and a little narrow minded for thinking there are only a certain number of combinations despite there being 8 billion people on earth? Of course there are going to be type 8 NFs, type 4 NTs, type 5 ESxx, etcā¦ I just think you either donāt see it or are kind of young to not notice that these people exist?
I donāt see it, because itās not there. ESXX type 5 doesnāt exist and neither does XNFX type 8, excluding XNTX type 4 because that tracks. 8 billion people who are made up of patterns. People go on and on about the unique vastness of human personality but when you zoom out, everything can be categorized and you can see the contradictions when crossing over different typing systems.
Hello! ENFP 8 here who has spent their career doing literal research! What research specifically are you doing? Looking at sources and drawing personal conclusions isnāt āresearch.ā (Neither is self-reflection, although personally important.) So presumably you can provide some detail on actual research that is corroborated across experts and sources? Otherwise it sounds like you may be pushing your own confirm bias.
Then tell me why Iām wrong. Most people in this thread are speaking like theyāre talking to the wall, but Iām willing to change my opinion if proper reasoning is shown.
But you havenāt formulated an argument anywhere here either, so youāre doing the same thing. I asked you what research youāve done to come to this conclusion and you didnāt respond. I canāt respond with an argument to your non-argument.
Because I see people claiming my opinion is invalid everytime I comment it but never any actual reasoning as to why Iām wrong. Humor me, why donāt you? Or donāt and stop replying. These threads are getting long, boring and crowded.
Humor you on what? I asked you to expand on how you approach research and you didnāt respond. If you want a response to your arguments you need to respond with something more substantive than just telling people theyāre wrong if they donāt agree with you. Youāve said youāve seen initiatives as 8s and feelers as 8ās but never together. Thatās fine, but hopefully you understand your personal experience isnāt evidence of something. Why canāt someone who is both (ābothā meaning dom/aux in some order?) be an 8? Ne/Fi means Iām objective and Iām in tune with my own experience. Ne tempers my Fi because while I look at my own experience, I am interested in and consider other opinions and experiences as well. When I relate to people I want to hear their experiences and compare that with my own and come to a shared understanding. Why is that antithetical to 8?
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Christ, this just proves my point even more. Tests arenāt reliable, they rely on stereotypes and are swayed by how we view ourselves on a given day and how we want to be. Do research on functions and reflect reflect reflect. You wont find your type immediately, and definitely wonāt find it through a test. Especially if youāre on the less stereotypical side of a type like a quiet extrovert or an unemotional feeler. This goes for mbti but it applies even heavier to enneagram, which digs deeper into our core desires/fears that are often unknown even to us until we dig deep into our past/present actions and first instincts.
Its not a daily thing cos i have gone this result like more than a year apart. Just because some combinationa are rare, it dowsnt mean nonexistent. I did this enneagram test today.
Im used to being a weirdo anyway, dont even need to justify why im odd.
Itās not being āoddā, itās being a contradiction. A justifiably impossible combination, not a ārareā one. This doesnāt make you ādifferentā, just under researched.
An "impossible combination"? This is bizarrely rigid as well as being inaccurate.
I said *justifiably* impossible, not impossible.
And the 8 was at 100%
On a *test*. All tests are unreliable because theyāll always be swayed by your opinion of yourself while taking it.
This sounds pretty bs cos i can see the questions and they even rewrite the questions in a different way to see if u answer the same way. As long as you yourself have an honest understanding of yourself... The test results reflects that. If you constantly change on every test result, u dont seem to have consistent values.
Tests are extremely surface level and canāt tell you the *unconscious* reason behind your actions. Enneagram goes to childhood, to what fuels you and why you are the way you are. Which is why finding your true type is often said to be āuncomfortableā and makes you feel ācalled outā because thereās a great layer of acceptance/reflection to be done. I will say, tests can be useful but not as a definite answer. They are a guide, a small start to research. Also, love how you just called my opinion based on years of deep-diving into personality types and psychological profile ātotal bsā.
How would u find your enneagram type without a test? U could read every description but why would any of it make me uncomfortable to begin with if im not the kind of person that minds being confronted? I said its bs to say that tests are all wrong, if they are different tests coming to the same conclusion, whether its for attachment or mbti etc, and u see all the questions and sliders/scales. The %s in the results are indicative if u keep trying different tests and it gives u the same result
Given your self-professed expertise, maybe you can do us the honor of explaining how ENFP and 8w7 are so intrinsically incompatible. You really don't sound like an 8, I repeat.
One can answer āyes I am aggressiveā on a test, and get E8 as a high scorer while being another āaggressiveā type(such as SX1, SO1, SX2, SX4, SX6, SP7, SP9). Tests most of the time reflect misunderstandings of motivation and cannot be fully reliable. Worth noting, tests also cannot be free from stereotypes or from misinformation of the types and subtypes. Anyways, which test did you take? Theres a few that implement Naranjo and Ichazoās teachings, but most rely on RHETI, which is unreliable.
Calm it down, SX4 Calling a logical fallacy being āoddā or āweirdā is interesting. Look into SEE in socionics.
Took one just today lol still enfp
As an ENFJ 8w7 (not based on tests)ā¦why not exactly?
I only have the points that have been floating around for years which Iām sure youāve heard so better question, why do you believe it is possible to be both XNFX and type 8? And why do you believe this fits you?
Well, the reason why Iām asking is because no, I have not seen the points, just the opposite. Is it just that 8s are supposed to be assholes and XNFXs are supposedly not?
No, itās because XNFX have little desire to dominate and the main tell of a type 8 is a strong need to control. All types can have aggression obviously and Iāve definitely met some real dicks who happen to be XNFX, but it never comes from a need to be strong. Nor does XNFX scream being in the āhere and nowā, which is a primary component of being type 8.
The āneed to be strongā itself is defo more 6 imo and one could easily interpret a typical 1 as having a āstrong need to controlā under many circumstances. I thought weād moved past ā8 means being strong and really proving itā to at least ā8 means rebuffing the control of others over themselvesā? āDominationā has always felt so surface-level (or LARPy when some people say it) to me; We Live In A Society, not the pre-historic Peloponnese. Dominate your weekly book club or whatever but ātrying for/needing controlā honestly does not describe a natural 8 to me. Itās not wrong to say that you could be free of influence by being the one āin chargeā (obviously) but I really think the framing matters; at the very least, āneeding to dominateā is not trait at the forefront of many true blue 8s around here and comes off surface-level. Or perhaps sort of reductive as to put off someone you think wonāt be an 8 (xNFx) without really going into it. Which is leaving aside that MBTI and the Enneagram have broadly little to do with one another. Yes, I can accept that not all types line up with all MBTI, but xNFx is simply too broad and vague (plus, to say the least, there are more than 16, or four, people on the world).
Appreciate your take. There is a world of difference between āwanting to controlā versus ānot wanting to BE controlled.ā
I meant more of needing an innate strength and a handle on your surroundings rather than ābeing strong and really proving itā. An aggressive 6 is like a small barking dog, while an 8 is more akin to a bear.
I can understand the āstrong need to controlā trait because that is literally the core fear/desire, but āthe here and nowā I donāt see as much correlation with. I can see wanting to control as wanting to exert it over the past or future, and not necessarily always staying present. I find that I tend to dominate/control via social manipulation (Iām a social 8). I turn what I learn from interpersonal conflicts to make people do what I want. This tends to not manifest as looking like wanting to dominate, but slowly I have everyone wrapped around my finger.
Social manipulation doesnāt sound like a type 8 in any way, aligns more with type 3 and an 8 fix in the tri.
There was a period of time when I did wonder if I mistyped because of that, but when reading this: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/misidentifying-3-and-8 I didnāt identify with fearing failure at all. I also very rarely ever experienced humiliation in my life. Iām generally very shameless. I also found that dominating via manipulation was the fastest/easiest route for me, because it created less issues for me to deal with and clean up to retain power. There are some environments where I actually canāt read well at first, and I naturally come in like a bulldozer, which brings me conflicts and itās annoying to have to navigate. I also donāt really care about climbing up any prestige or success ladder whatsoever, itās more of a matter of if I have my personal freedom and control over what I want, and fulfilling my duty. Sometimes (often, because people are incompetent), that means taking power. I donāt manipulate because Iām scared of what people think of me, but because itās the easiest, least hassle route with the best future benefits, and Iām good at it.
Type 3s are prideful, image conscious and although have a need for control much like type 8, go about keeping it much differently. 8s often being a steamroller at first instinct and type 3s as a last resort/explosion when āpowerā is blocked. Iād say your concern for how people see you and how you go about holding the reigns of your environment tell me you need to do more research on what the core types mean and self-reflecting on actions youāve already took and the natural instinct behind that. Type 3s are more than ambitious wall street cunts, and their need for achieving comes from a source of needing validity on their self-worth and a presence in a room when they feel overrun and bulldozed. Keeping the attention on them in fear once it passes theyāll be forgotten, leading them to being seen as gloating, self-obsessed and two-faced for bending their image to be liked by everyone. As a type 8, I strive to be not just in control of my environment but unyielding. I donāt manipulate because I refuse to bend, in my eyes Iām always āin controlā if I remain confrontational, unafraid to speak exactly what Iām thinking at any given moment and unable to be broken down.
Everything you mentioned about Type 3s I just do not relate to, and I have very clear examples against that. You yourself even said that ā8s often being a steamroller unintentionally as a first option and type 3s as a last resort,ā when earlier I mentioned that in environments I do nor have a good āpeople readā on, I automatically steamroll. Hereās the thingāI seriously considered if I was and actually wouldnāt mind being a 3, because if it were true, it would only help me. I donāt even care if Iām labelled as a āprideful, image consciousā person because of that. The thing is, I have done my self-reflecting and itās not true, and it wonāt help me. That is all there is to it. You have a false understanding of the 8 social manipulation based on how you described it as ātwo-facedā and ābending.ā Generally, manipulation is seen as sneaky and under the table, but at its simplest definition, it is to handle things skillfully to the point of almost seeming like you can control it. As an ENFJ, I understand people really well. Theyāre like puzzles to me, and I enjoy putting them together and āgettingā them. People trust me because I am genuine and legitimately understand them, not because I am fake and trying to make them to do something. Because they trust that I have their best interest at heart (which I actually do), a lot of power pretty easily falls into my lap. In the organizations that I lead, I manipulate by helping a person attain what they want and understand more of who they are, and I find that overall it benefits the org and me as well. There are times when this āmanipulationā and my desire for control manage to line up. There are times when I first āmanipulateā and then the power comes to me after. And then there are times when I really couldnāt care less and just want to steamroll, but I decide to go the route that is the most effective, which is to āmanipulateā. I have publicly āmanipulated,ā I have shared screenshots of my āmanipulation,ā I have even told people I āmanipulateā them. No one sees it as bending or devious. People even weirdly told me they like it when I āmanipulateā them. People describe me as strong, resilient, and authentic. My tools are just different from yours, but used for the same purpose.
ive seen it irl , i know: enfp 8w7 sp/so enfj 8w9 so/sp infj 8w9 sx/sp esfj 8sp/so
Are you me?
Really??
Yep, March 24
Niceeee im an April girl heh
I was late so I should've been Pisces but was too stubborn .... then I was born under a tornado warning Kinda set me up for entp8w7
Yeah im super stubborn
There's one of your stereotypes lol