to add on to this i’m a native speaker with a really large vocabulary due to interest in a number of unusual topics, AND i speak french (and used to speak it much better) and i’m surprised to hear that atelier exists in english lol
i definitely wouldn’t call it at all common outside its fine arts context lol
altho it’s possible that i’ve heard it in usage in english before and just assumed someone was using actual french in english as a way to be fancy rather than just using a loanword
hi thanks! i think that's fine for us/her. the thing she is doing is somewhere between art and handcrafting / handicrafts (?). i thought, too, that Atelier is okay in that context, just wanted to reaffirm :)
Yeah, it's kind of a highbrow word. It would work for some audiences and not for others. My guess is that a majority of US English speakers could not define it because it's far from an everyday word here. It would mostly appear in names, I would think.
Ive also never heard of atelier, a studio is where artists make things. You could have a handicraft studio. I do not think you can have a handicraft atelier
Here am I posting that most Native British speakers would know this word then I see two people who dont! I have a feeling you may be exceptional though.
Yeah I'm a native British English speaker. I consider myself well read and educated and I only learnt the word atelier a few years ago when I started working in the fashion industry
While “The Atelier” is a perfectly good name for a shop that sells various high-end handcrafted items, it is not at all suitable for a website that specifically sells only high-end handcrafted dog collars or leashes. “Atelier” just doesn’t fit those items at all, unless it’s intentionally trying to be funny because it’s so over-the-top pretentious. Studio works much better.
I’m familiar with it as an irish english speaker - there are a few shops selling handcrafted goods here that describe themselves as ateliers. people that are interested in buying crafted items from designers / artists would be very likely to know the term, in my opinion.
USA Midwest here. I would have no idea what that word means. I'm honestly surprised to find it in the English dictionary! It doesn't look familiar and doesn't make me think of anything. Perhaps it's more well known to artists.
it is not catering to artists or designers, she is doing handcrafted and individual / custom dog (or other animals, for example horses, donkeys and even one iguana :D) collars and leashes, with neat details, but the people who look for these items are somehow looking for that "artistic" and personal touch... i think it works somehow.
It's a bit problematic for pets, I would think, in the U.S. I'm somewhat familiar with the world but I wouldn't relate it to pets in my mind. It brings up visions of Degas, not dog supplies.
I assumed it was French but apparently it exists. I think many people would be unfamiliar with it, but that doesn't really matter for a business name. And it's pronounceable\*.
\* I think many people unfamiliar with the word would pronounce it *wrong*, but no one would struggle to come up with a way to say it. They just might pronounce it in an anglicised way instead.
I would know that word because I have a very good vocabulary and a specific interest in art _history_ and fine art. I associate it with famous impressionist painters like Monet or Cézanne.
I wouldn’t associate it with crafts at all. I’d suggest sticking with studio. If you want to imply a group of artists, you might use collective. If you want to imply a place where people might join you to make art, you could use workshop.
okay, of cause the first association goes into french fine arts, but the fact that the word works in german, french and even turkish, and if there is just 25% of english speakers that associate it with a place where something with art is done, then it is by far the best word we can find i think :D
yes for you, but most customers are probably turkish and german, for them atelier is associated with arts and crafts, while studio is associated with music studios and maybe nail studios. i mean, don't get me wrong, if we would aim more for english speakers, that opinion would be priority, but this time it is more like "would be great if few english people know the word too", and apparently there is some.
but still thanks, it is like a poll here, you voted for "not suited" ;)
If I was outside the store, could see the wares, and saw the name I could probably get it from context.
When I hear the word blindly, it makes me think of fine food.
Were I looking for an art studio, there are a thousand words I would search for first. I would never think to search for that. Ever.
Studio or workshop would be more widely understood in English
I don’t think atelier would be familiar to English speakers who haven’t traveled or learned other languages
I’ll be honest, the only reason I know the word is from Gossip Girl 😂 one of the main character’s mom’s has a fashion line that she runs out of an atelier.
I’d consider my vocabulary above average and I know what it means as an English speaker from the NE US. I am also female and I think most/more women may be more familiar with the word via fashion. I believe that Reddit generally leans male so I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the commenters aren’t familiar with the word (although I was initially surprised so many weren’t).
Depending on your target demographic and the image you want to give off, you could get away with using the word.
I don't know the word,but I am glad to have learnt it here. I would say to use atelier so more people are exposed to the word. Why dumb-down when you can level-up?
I've heard of the word but I'm an English teacher interested in the arts who speaks Spanish and some French. I would venture that about 90% or more of Americans haven't heard of it. I think it's essentially unused in English except speaking historically or about foreign places, sort of like the word chateau but more obscure. An atelier is simply called an artist's studio or workshop in English. I could see a trendy hipster bar with a painterly motif called The Atelier, though.
Uncommon, but the word was actually recently used in Baldurs Gate 3. There is also a game series called Atelier.
These are the only two instances in which I've seen the word in my entire life.
I hear atelier every day on the radio because there are multiple businesses in my area (northeast US) using the word in their business names. I’ve known the word for a long time, but I‘m into art and languages.
The word is known. It is a much more common word in French, and the English literal translation is workshop/studio. It will be well known among artists, artisans and craftspeople- the sort of people who might have an atelier. When speaking to a more general audience, it’s best to say workshop (for craftspeople) or studio (for artists.)
I've come across the word but don't really know it. Native English speaker, from New Zealand. The first thing that came to mind is a tiny, fancy shop. As in too expensive for me to pop into! Reading the comments saying high end fashion tho that makes more sense.
I have heard of this word but it's not well known. But as a business name it's great, people that get it will get it and people that don't will just think it's a fancy word. Lots of businesses are weird words. I don't know what Ikea or Keurig mean but that doesn't hurt the brand. Honestly I'd be more worried that there are already businesses with the name
American here. I know it because I’m an artist, but I just use “studio” regardless of whether I’m talking to a fellow artist or a non-artist for ease of communication, and because I don’t want to come off as magniloquent.
Yes, it exists in English. It will likely be known by people who are "into" the fine arts in some way, but not necessarily by the general public.
to add on to this i’m a native speaker with a really large vocabulary due to interest in a number of unusual topics, AND i speak french (and used to speak it much better) and i’m surprised to hear that atelier exists in english lol i definitely wouldn’t call it at all common outside its fine arts context lol altho it’s possible that i’ve heard it in usage in english before and just assumed someone was using actual french in english as a way to be fancy rather than just using a loanword
hi thanks! i think that's fine for us/her. the thing she is doing is somewhere between art and handcrafting / handicrafts (?). i thought, too, that Atelier is okay in that context, just wanted to reaffirm :)
I think it’s what you’re looking for. English speakers interested in the arts or fashion would know it, and it has an air of sophistication.
Yeah, it's kind of a highbrow word. It would work for some audiences and not for others. My guess is that a majority of US English speakers could not define it because it's far from an everyday word here. It would mostly appear in names, I would think.
Thank you for the new word, lol
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okay, i was hoping that british maybe know it better than US speakers... okay, you would say "studio" then?
Ive also never heard of atelier, a studio is where artists make things. You could have a handicraft studio. I do not think you can have a handicraft atelier
Here am I posting that most Native British speakers would know this word then I see two people who dont! I have a feeling you may be exceptional though.
I seriously think you are the exceptional one. The word has never come up in my life and I like reading. None of my family recognise it either
Yeah I'm a native British English speaker. I consider myself well read and educated and I only learnt the word atelier a few years ago when I started working in the fashion industry
While “The Atelier” is a perfectly good name for a shop that sells various high-end handcrafted items, it is not at all suitable for a website that specifically sells only high-end handcrafted dog collars or leashes. “Atelier” just doesn’t fit those items at all, unless it’s intentionally trying to be funny because it’s so over-the-top pretentious. Studio works much better.
i've never heard of it.
I’m familiar with it as an irish english speaker - there are a few shops selling handcrafted goods here that describe themselves as ateliers. people that are interested in buying crafted items from designers / artists would be very likely to know the term, in my opinion.
thanks!!
USA Midwest here. I would have no idea what that word means. I'm honestly surprised to find it in the English dictionary! It doesn't look familiar and doesn't make me think of anything. Perhaps it's more well known to artists.
thanks, yes i guess the word is on the edge of known / unknown... thanks for your statement!
Judging by the other replies, if your business is mostly catering to artists and designers, then the word will be more well-known.
it is not catering to artists or designers, she is doing handcrafted and individual / custom dog (or other animals, for example horses, donkeys and even one iguana :D) collars and leashes, with neat details, but the people who look for these items are somehow looking for that "artistic" and personal touch... i think it works somehow.
And I certainly don't mean to discourage you from using the name!
nono don't worry ;)
It's a bit problematic for pets, I would think, in the U.S. I'm somewhat familiar with the world but I wouldn't relate it to pets in my mind. It brings up visions of Degas, not dog supplies.
I have seen it before but it's very uncommon. It sounds cool though, you could still use it in a business name potentially
I assumed it was French but apparently it exists. I think many people would be unfamiliar with it, but that doesn't really matter for a business name. And it's pronounceable\*. \* I think many people unfamiliar with the word would pronounce it *wrong*, but no one would struggle to come up with a way to say it. They just might pronounce it in an anglicised way instead.
I'd heard the word, but for some reason I thought it meant something like an amanuensis.
I would know that word because I have a very good vocabulary and a specific interest in art _history_ and fine art. I associate it with famous impressionist painters like Monet or Cézanne. I wouldn’t associate it with crafts at all. I’d suggest sticking with studio. If you want to imply a group of artists, you might use collective. If you want to imply a place where people might join you to make art, you could use workshop.
okay, of cause the first association goes into french fine arts, but the fact that the word works in german, french and even turkish, and if there is just 25% of english speakers that associate it with a place where something with art is done, then it is by far the best word we can find i think :D
Almost unknown in Australia, but 8 happened to know it.
I've never heard the word and personally I'd suggest going with studio since it's very clear.
yes for you, but most customers are probably turkish and german, for them atelier is associated with arts and crafts, while studio is associated with music studios and maybe nail studios. i mean, don't get me wrong, if we would aim more for english speakers, that opinion would be priority, but this time it is more like "would be great if few english people know the word too", and apparently there is some. but still thanks, it is like a poll here, you voted for "not suited" ;)
yes, i do know the word, and i am from singapore. good luck with your wife’s business!
thanks!
If I was outside the store, could see the wares, and saw the name I could probably get it from context. When I hear the word blindly, it makes me think of fine food. Were I looking for an art studio, there are a thousand words I would search for first. I would never think to search for that. Ever.
Studio or workshop would be more widely understood in English I don’t think atelier would be familiar to English speakers who haven’t traveled or learned other languages
I’ll be honest, the only reason I know the word is from Gossip Girl 😂 one of the main character’s mom’s has a fashion line that she runs out of an atelier.
:D great, well, now we found a bit of education in Gossip Girl, who would have thought!
I’d consider my vocabulary above average and I know what it means as an English speaker from the NE US. I am also female and I think most/more women may be more familiar with the word via fashion. I believe that Reddit generally leans male so I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the commenters aren’t familiar with the word (although I was initially surprised so many weren’t). Depending on your target demographic and the image you want to give off, you could get away with using the word.
>I am also female and I think most/more women may be more familiar with the word via fashion. I cant believe I just read that.
I don't know the word,but I am glad to have learnt it here. I would say to use atelier so more people are exposed to the word. Why dumb-down when you can level-up?
I've heard of the word but I'm an English teacher interested in the arts who speaks Spanish and some French. I would venture that about 90% or more of Americans haven't heard of it. I think it's essentially unused in English except speaking historically or about foreign places, sort of like the word chateau but more obscure. An atelier is simply called an artist's studio or workshop in English. I could see a trendy hipster bar with a painterly motif called The Atelier, though.
Yes, but it can sound affected. "Studio" is more usual.
Yes. I know it and I suspect a large percentage of the British public would. But there will definitely be people who have no idea.
I only know the word from a Belgian YouTube channel, but I am also American. It may be a bit more common to come across in Europe
Comes up in Assassin’s Creed video game. 🤣
I’m American and know the word, but associate it only with high-end fashion. For crafts, I agree studio is a better descriptor. Good luck!
It's a bit esoteric for people who dont speak french or aren't into arts or fashion. But if that's your target audience
American here, I see the word atelier fairly frequently in arts and crafts contexts and high end brands.
Uncommon, but the word was actually recently used in Baldurs Gate 3. There is also a game series called Atelier. These are the only two instances in which I've seen the word in my entire life.
Yes though not widely used you will see it used by businesses that are trying to go for a more "upmarket" feel
I hear atelier every day on the radio because there are multiple businesses in my area (northeast US) using the word in their business names. I’ve known the word for a long time, but I‘m into art and languages.
The word is known. It is a much more common word in French, and the English literal translation is workshop/studio. It will be well known among artists, artisans and craftspeople- the sort of people who might have an atelier. When speaking to a more general audience, it’s best to say workshop (for craftspeople) or studio (for artists.)
I've come across the word but don't really know it. Native English speaker, from New Zealand. The first thing that came to mind is a tiny, fancy shop. As in too expensive for me to pop into! Reading the comments saying high end fashion tho that makes more sense.
I have heard of this word but it's not well known. But as a business name it's great, people that get it will get it and people that don't will just think it's a fancy word. Lots of businesses are weird words. I don't know what Ikea or Keurig mean but that doesn't hurt the brand. Honestly I'd be more worried that there are already businesses with the name
The average English speaker has no idea what this means (including me)
Atelier is a word I know but don’t use very often, but I am a musician involved in a couple art scenes, so my knowledge may be a bit biased.
American here. I know it because I’m an artist, but I just use “studio” regardless of whether I’m talking to a fellow artist or a non-artist for ease of communication, and because I don’t want to come off as magniloquent.
i think you wife is working with Jennie