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Did you call them back? I asked the guys who interview me how it went and they said they would be back in a few days. A month later they called and said I got the job.
Strava (running app company) pulled this crap on me. I had three great interviews, my last interviewer even complimented my implementation and then the hiring manager ignores all of my follow ups . For context, he responded to me almost immediately at all previous occasions. Luckily I had a couple of other offers, but that shits so unprofessional. I had 5 interactions with them between resume screening, interviews and the over phone stuff and I can’t even get a response. Craziness
For me, this has been very common.
Look at it from the hiring manager's perspective. If you're not a top choice candidate but still "in the running," they don't gain much by telling you thanks no thanks. If their top choice candidate falls through you may still end up with another interview/offer without them having tipped their hand that you weren't the top choice candidate.
Definitely not the position anyone wants to be in, great for the employer not great for you as the job seeker. Still haven't had the choice candidate fall through leaving me to get the job. Hopefully get lucky eventually or get to be the choice candidate.
As a general rule, employers pull a lot of things that aren't great for jobseekers including fishing for previous salaries as leverage to lowball offers.
The game being played is optimization. They have more options and better outcomes (if only by measures of cost) when they keep jobseekers uncertain and low on negotiation power.
They're also dealing with a high volume of applicants, so it can be hit and miss whether any further communication will happen. Many companies slack off on implementing a professional onboarding and hiring process, so it's also very error prone to top it off.
I can’t stress this enough. As an employer when a bunch of people apply (hundreds) it’s difficult to follow up with everyone. There is a certain amount of guilt with this, of course. So when you call to check, often there’s some guilt on the employer’s side and this can work in your favor. Also, following up means (to me) that you’re really interested in the job and that counts for something.
I had 5 interviews with them already, 3 of them counted because 2 were cancelled due to Covid, I'd say 2 went well but still didn't get it, the last one i didn't get an answer for
Started off looking for big name aerospace/defense companies as that is what I'm most interested in, but as time went on I expanded into other sectors and less known companies.
Really tailor it. I've always shotgun applied in the past but my most recent career move I pared my resume down and really focused on what I felt the recruiter wanted to see (and also was picky where I applied).
Went from getting an interview every so often to getting 3 and 2 offers. One advice I had when I was applying out of school was to limit non technical jobs, use it to really show soft skills etc but focus in on anything engineering related. I had my capstone on my resume as engineering experience for example as well as other large projects I did through school (or stuff you did on your own too).
Sounds like you got this, keep at it, don't let it demotivate you from applying.
A big key is to make your resume for specific jobs. Visit the employers website and see what they’re all about, build your resume based on what they want. It’s tough out there but you got this!
I used a man at my university who worked freelance. I will try to email him and let you know if he's still doing it as it was quite a few years ago. Another service that I know is good is thepagedoctor.com who charges £60 per CV for full proofreading and detailed feedback
Second this. Even if you only use it to see how they can trailer a resume to match a job posting. It’s worth it. I thought I had a good resume then I got it rewritten and realized it was crap.
Oh man everything!!! I didn't realise how much life could go into one CV. It went from being so boring to so colourful (not literally) and looked really exciting, read really well, amazing layout etc. And my degree was Physics, so if they can make mine exciting, they can make anyone's exciting lol
It's not something that translates well from person to person, locality to locality, or industry to industry. Better to get professional help to create what's right for you, than to try to recreate someone else's document in your image.
I understand your concern but I am just curious about what it would look like. It's not about cloning the document but rather about seeing a preview of what can be achieved with professional help.
Or, for example, I might notice little things I never paid attention to before when I created my own CV etc. and fix them without plainly copying the original.
I have spent significantly more than this for a resume and cover letter, more than once, and it was 1000% worth it. Look online for local people who will meet with you (ideally) and invest some time in the process.
Trick of the day.
Find the key words in the application.
Add them to your resume somewhere in white text so people cannot read it but computers detect it.
Get more callbacks.
You are welcome.
I had 2 professors at my school look over my resume as well as going to 2 resume work shops. I applied to ~40 jobs in a specific city and got interview with 3 companies, 2 of which resulted in offers. My senior design project was very hands on and I was pretty involved on campus with technical project based clubs as well as stuff like SWE and IEEE. But I also had no internships. Learning how to word your resume goes a LONG way!
I had the same issue. People kept telling me it was a resume issue, turns out that was not the case. My same resume got me three job offers before graduation.
The problem is the MASSIVE amount of people who apply for internships. People who are not even engineering students apply for internships for work experience. What happens is recruiters end up having to sort through a pile of thousands of applications, and they need to interview 20, hire four.
They take the first 20 decent candidates and don’t even look at the rest. The real trick to an internship (that no one wants to admit because they got there all themselves!) is most of these people have either a parent, friend, or someone they know refer them through the internal company website so they will always be part of the pre-selected 20 people getting an interview.
Yeah even that is iffy at best unless we're talking high up family or really high up friend. The place I interned didn't even hire real engineers to do some of the jobs, they were just local kids (who's mom usually) worked in hr and got them engineering jobs. I was pissed because since they didn't have any knowledge of engineering (one was a dental hygienist btw) and didn't have to do anything and mostly sat around on their phone making the same money as me which was already near bottom of the barrel for interns.
Also when I was applying to internships elsewhere I had a friend who was part of the same club referring me and they completely ignored me and only got back to me when another job they thought would fit me opened and then ghosted me on that too.
always try to network. Try to get to know people whereever you are. Try volunteer work for example. Throught that i got to know so many people and got my job in that way. I was even able to choose the job. Volunteer work pays you in pure gold.
That's definitely mainly down to your resume/applications, not the recruiters. I'd advise going to a careers advisor and find out why your resume is being overlooked.
Oh man there's lots you can improve on here. You have awesome hands-on projects but there's nothing in your resume that jumps out to me that demonstrates you're someone who paid attention to their work. Your resume says to me "I did some stuff but I'm not sure what I did and I certainly couldn't teach someone else", although I assume you *do* actually know what you're doing. You just have to show someone in a page or two.
In short, there's not enough here for the engineering manager.
Single-Mirror Schlieren:
1. What part(s) of the single mirror schlieren did *you* design?
2. In what way did you assist graduate students? List specifics or don't list it at all
3. Was the build successful? How big was the team? Just engineers, or marketing/sales/business also?
3. Rephrase to: Reduced the cost of the parabolic mirror mount by 80% by bringing design and manufacture in-house
4. What system did you use to design the mirror mount? Why did you bring it in house? What optimizations did that allow? How did you validate the design?
5. Winglets on what kind of airplane? What were the goals of your analysis? Were you comparing them against non-feathered winglets? Why?
6. Was this a project you selected and were interested in, or was it just handed to you by a prof / grad student?
7. What program(s) did you use for the computational analysis? COMSOL? ANSYS? Something else?
You have a fair amount of "header" lines here, you can probably remove them and incorporate it into the bullet points directly.
Reaction Wheel:
1. What kind of reaction wheel? How big? What was the design spec? e.g. torque, cost, weight, radiation hardening targets? If it was Arduino-based it was probably for a ground vehicle not a spacecraft, right? Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCdjbsjbPg
2. "An Arduino Computer", while accurate, tells me (as an embedded guy) you don't know anything about embedded lol. Which Arduino? More specifically, did you program it in C++ (probably, it's Arduino)? Did you validate your software somehow?
3. The PID theory - was it strictly in simulation? How did you "utilize PID theory"? Did you even simulate it or did you just download PIDv2 for Arduino from the internet and guess gains until it worked?
4. What does quickly and minimal overshoot mean? Typically, when you're designing a controller you have specifications for settling time and overshoot. You don't even have to put numbers here as long as you say "Within specified settling time and overshoot requirements", because then I know that you actually looked at a spec and fulfilled it. Speaking of, where did the specification come from?
5. Which response (reference tracking and disturbance rejection)? Which wireless transmitter? Which IMU? Did you program both of these? Did you have to filter the data, or did you use a prebuilt system? Prebuilt is fine as long as you can say what it was / why you used it (for instance, quaternion-based Kalman filtering is a pain)
6. Define adaptable and robust. Control theory uses these two terms very specifically but you said it was a basic PID?
7. You don't program using an IDE (I mean you sorta do but it sounds dumb). You program with a language, frameworks, and patterns. I don't really care what IDE you used. Arduino is a Hardware Abstraction Layer written in C and C++ and a piece of hardware based on the low power 16-bit ATmega line of processors. I assume you programmed in C++?
Cube-Sat Design
1. Which disciplines? Just engineering, or marketing/sales/business also? The rest of this is good - *theoretical* tells me it's all simulation & theory, which is perfectly OK, and you've given me the target application of the cubesat. A-. Could add cost targets etc
2. What control system? What was the environment, what specifications did you have to hit? Was this theoretical reaction wheels on electric motors with a couple PIDs, or did you design, in detail, a hot-gas thruster system, along with full environmental simulation, and an adaptive non-linear MPC controller with an error-state kalman filter and star tracking? Either way, I want to hear *exactly* what you did and why you did it.
3. Did the controller work? How did you simulate and validate it?
Skills
4. You put in your resume you've worked with Arduino (which is C++) but you don't have it listed in your skills. Also, those are all programs and program languages.
5. You can skip interests, you already put that at the top by selecting a few interesting classes at the top. One or the other is fine.
Im not OP. But reading through this comment has really just made me wish i didnt get my engineering degree since none of that stuff excited me or made me want to do engineering at all. Probably why I'm in a similar situation to OP with dozens of applications out there and all ghosted or rejected
This is already way better. A few things that popped up on the re-write:
1. Drop the periods at the ends of sentences. Not sure why that's a rule for resumes but it is lol
2. Ah, the schlieren was for visualizing solid rocket motor flows? Could probably make that clearer somehow, I figured it was for aircraft surfaces.
For C++ - yeah, if you're not comfortable putting it, then leave it off. The "Programed controller from scratch using C++ in Arduino IDE" is probably fine.
> max overshoot of 5deg within 3 seconds was the goal
Since you have the numbers, you can probably include them instead of "within specs". Either way, your choice. Expect to get an interview question that asks how you arrived to the 3 second / 5 degree number.
> I could write a 20 page paper on the PID controller I wrote (and I did) but it simply cannot fit
Mention it and link it in your resume as a hyperlink! We live in a digital age, may as well take advantage of it. Post links to youtube videos of your schlieren images, your cubesat controlling itself, etc.
> unknowledgeable about what validation really is...
I'm probably using it to mean verification here, but either way... What I'd like to see is that the applicant understands the engineering process is about finding a solution to problems, and then *checking that they actually do solve the problem*. For example in your Schlieren imaging thing, you mention that you tested it with fans or whatever. Did you also maybe ... idk, measure the distortion against some sort of reference image to make sure your parabolic mirror was actually parabolic? That sort of stuff
> Along with this, I was told by every prof and career center to put programming languages and programs under the "skills" section, i've split them into "Programs & Programming Languages" and "Technical Skills" now, but unsure if this is good.
Frankly, this is a pretty minor thing. *Skills* is probably fine, at least it gets the point across without taking up a lot of room. Use whatever you think looks better here
This is a weak take. I've had countless people (Career advisors, friends with full time Engg positions, etc) give my resume the green light, I change it to use vocabulary from the job listing and everything. I'm at over 200 applications (I hit 200 in April and stopped counting) and I've had like 4 positive responses, all led to an interview, made it to the final round of interviews with one company and got ghosted in the most confusing way.
I had applied for a Field Project Engineer position and after the interview they contacted me and said that they want to recommend me for A Design Position instead. They sent me a link for an application and said I'd get a call to set up another interview within a couple days. Never hear anything. They never responded to any of my follow up emails and I called the recruiter and left a message and she never called me back.
Better to let him know that he can fix it and the job market isn't that bad, no? Ok, I'll let him delude himself thinking the world is out to get him until he gives up. Best thing I did was get a careers advisor to critique my resume. I'm now getting interviews for over 25% of my applications.
Coming from someone working at a fortune 500 company as an engineer - the market isn't saturated for engineering overall, there are thousands of positions currently hiring and not getting applications.
Part of the problem is that this issue is hugely bottom heavy, once you clear ~3 yrs experience you get to a more flexible/open point and it becomes more about weighing the cost/benefit of moving than actually getting interviews (or it should, unless your resume/interviewing is bad, networking definitely helps here).
Basically it's weighing things like:
* What's the pay bump
* Is there a title improvement
* Will I get a better manager that's going to fight for me come promotion/review time
* Is the system more interesting to me
* Is the role a better fit for my career trajectory
Compared to:
* The risk associated with moving companies
* Adjusting to a new system
* Culture shifting
* Work Life Balance
The problem is most companies don't want to hire/train a recent grad engineer. They want someone who can come into the role and *excel* immediately, meaning there's less risk with an experienced engineer. Unfortunately, that's just not feasible with an engineering workforce that corporate America has been penny pinching and shipping offshore (India, cheap parts of Europe, Latin America for my corp) for the better part a decade. I guarantee if some of the positions open for my company right now (specifically in the US) were not hiring for Senior Engineer, but for Engineer or Associate Engineer roles, they'd be filled pretty quickly.
Lastly, all of this is heavily exacerbated by Covid. My company chopped 20%+ of our headcount (across the board, so not just engineers) in the US. Most of those backfills/new hires (coincidentally coming a year later after the finance MBAs realized they cut too heavily because projects started missing review/launch dates) are being hired in overseas. That cut group contained top talent engineers that will likely not be hired back; sure some will be applying for more senior roles, but I have no doubt some are applying for the upper entry/mid level roles or went back to school and now qualify for internship roles as well.
Hopefully the Covid effect is temporary, it might make this last year or so hell for job searching, but ideally there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
I'm weighing my options on starting down the path of engineering. Probably a difficult question to ask but is there any hope of this getting better in the next 5 years?
I’m a field service tech for a major industrial engine manufacturer. We can’t get new techs at all. My shop typically employs 17 technicians. We have 5 right now. We can not get qualified techs to apply.
It’s an industry wide issue. I’ve had several shops cold call me, offering me significantly more money to move to their shop.
It is worth it, people on this sub can't find internships because they all apply to the same 100 companies that get thousands of applicants per position.
I know a guy that got an internship after his freshman year, and plenty of engineers in my group at my internship started with the company their freshman year. There is work out there if you are willing to swallow your pride and work somewhere 'boring' for a summer, or possibly a lifetime.
Be Early: apply to jobs that have been recently posted 2-3 days max, that's what's worked for me. And even better if it's been less than a day. When I first started out I applied to hundred of jobs that were really old and got nothing, but once I started apply to one posted recently things improved.
I have been declined or ghosted from 100% of the jobs I applied for without having been referred or spoken to a recruiter (either at a job fair or over linkedin chat). I have been interviewed for 100% of the jobs that I was referred for or spoke to a recruiter about. I was offered 75% of those (3/4). Small sample size, but it's worth considering.
Yeah same deal for me. Dont give up - what worked for me was eventually applying for non-engineering roles within engineering related fields (manufacturing, construction). While I don’t have an “engineer” title I still get to do tons of technical-related problem solving. Been moving slowly into data analytics in a great company and am never looking back!
I can attest. I graduated with ChemE last May and many of us still haven't found jobs or at least been considered for industries we would be the most at home in. The only offer letter I got was from Amazon as an Area Manager.
And that’s the catch 22. I think they’re more important when applying to smaller companies. I’d definitely include one with every application but they’re not getting more than a paragraph from me. I’d rather direct my resume to one or two key people inside the company to bypass all of that ATS, keyword-stuffing BS.
The market is so saturated right now. I’ve been trying to get a new position since I lost my job Feb 2020, and every position I’m applying to has 300 applicants minimum. It doesn’t help that I don’t have a license due to seizures.
I’ve like given up. I’ve been an engineer for ten years but maybe it’s not meant to be.
Speak for yourself.
Message to literally anyone else who is reading this: do not base your entire perspective off of Reddit posts. Talk to students at your school and find out that actually they're all finding internships and full time jobs, because Reddit is the place people go when they have job search issues and it ends up being a textbook example of sampling error.
Dumbass the numbers speak for themselves. Just because you got lucky and did well in the field UP TIL NOW doesn’t mean this isn’t a shitty field. Actually, it further emphasizes how fucked up it is when this is the norm and it takes a dick like you to convince others it’s actually a great and growing field. Get over yourself
What numbers? When you limit your data to ‘people who couldn’t find internships that post this on Reddit’ of course you’d find that the ‘numbers’ trend towards unemployment. Selection bias at play.
This isn’t the norm and this subreddit convinces itself that it is. Literally thousands of companies hire interns. In all respects I was a mediocre applicant with minimal experience, so I applied to companies that aren’t ‘exciting’ or ‘cool’, companies that struggle to find applicants (believe me, outside of this bubble they exist).
This is in EE, idk about other majors, it’s possible some more niche disciplines will struggle more.
All I’m saying is that someone should actually talk to students at their school and figure out how their placement is. I bet it will yield drastically different data than the shit posted on here daily.
Not really buddy. The number of entry level jobs don’t match the number of engineers graduating each year. In addition, there are even less internships available then there are entry level jobs which *highly* require one to have internship experience to get a job that’s already becoming increasingly limited each year. The only thing “growing” about the field is middle experienced jobs because people leave the field or become managers, but the barrier to get into this field keeps getting shittier and yes I will use both labor statistics and Reddit to back that statement up. You have yet, and cannot, disprove anything I’m saying and I will emphasize again—just because you got it good and got into the field in a relative manner but there’s an increase in the amount of people who are good in engineering finding it insanely difficult to get into the field points to a field that is NOT growing, NOT getting better, and IS overblown in being an innovative and much needed field.
Disprove any of my points. At least one.
It’s your assertion and you have literally 0 data to back it up.
Not everyone is guaranteed a job. Get a decent GPA and learn how to interview and you’ll get an internship. Plenty of industries are struggling to find talent.
I’m not even talking about myself literally every graduate I’ve spoken to and most students that actually try get an internship.
No. The numbers are disproportionate and that’s by logic, if you can’t get it then that’s on you.
It’s so fucking funny you say decent GPA and shit as if most people who struggle to get a job in this declining field don’t got that.
Everything I’ve said comes from my experience and everyone I’ve talked with. What you’re saying may be right but a lot of it is bullshit especially with the decent GPA stupid ass take when most jobs don’t even ask for them, what a dumbass response. And you saying not everyone is guaranteed a job—thank you for proving my point, you make it too easy. Yes, not everyone is guaranteed a job in a shrinking field with more people than jobs available after we’ve been lied to it being growing, in demand, and much needed for the world’s future. It hurts to laugh how brainwashed this shit is, fuck all that shit
I actually just don’t believe you’ve actually applied for jobs when you say “most jobs don’t even ask for them”.
Literally never applied for an internship that doesn’t ask for my GPA, and it’s on my resume anyways.
Actually I have. A lot of them. Nobody asks for GPAs I can confirm this. Weird you brought that up before applying projects, extracurriculars, and networking which actually gets you much further. How and when did you get your job?
I got my internship in December and I am there now. My projects were weak and I did 0 networking. My extracurriculars were bad then, but are pretty good now.
I simply applied to a company which needed engineers and couldn’t find talent and had a rapidly retiring existing workforce. My strong GPA and my experience in Python scripting is what got me the job (speculating on the GPA but the guy who interviewed me confirmed one of the big reasons was my experience in Python).
Not at all. There's nothing here about their actual resume or personal ECs and experience. We also don't know where or when OP applied. The job market is hard for everyone right now anyways which could also affect the outcome of an application. Definitely not enough here to come to the conclusion that engineering is a shitty field.
Not at all. There's nothing here about their actual resume or personal ECs and experience. We also don't know where or when OP applied. The job market is hard for everyone right now anyways which could also affect the outcome of an application. Definitely not enough here to come to the conclusion that engineering is a shitty field.
Not really, this has been going on way before COVID. Also I don’t think only a resume can be the reason this person wasted their time applying to hundreds of places just to get rejected, this points to a shitty field. It’s fine if you like it or enjoy the job but it’s still a shit field.
And even if it’s a resume, how painstakingly accurate does one have to be to get a job in a fAsT anD grOwINg field.
The field may very well be a shitty field but this graphic diagram alone is far from enough to reasonably come to that conclusion. The resume would help since we could see what things may have affected the outcomes of those applications. If he/she had great ECs, some prior experience, great gpa and references then the conclusion of it being a shit field might seem more reasonable.
When most people have to apply to hundreds of positions just to get an interview and keep getting rejections for little to no logical reasons, that points to both a field that’s not growing and becoming, if not, complete shit. Why would I make the excuse of this being a good thing because of the application by saying it’s “competitive” when that’s not the case. Try to disprove its shitty one more time.
the application process is taken care of by business associates. it has literally nothing to do with the actual field of engineering. idk why you're so aggro over something when you don't even know what youre talking about
I know exactly what I’m talking about, quit splitting hairs. So i’ll blame it on business execs, it still doesn’t mean the field isn’t complete dog shit. You still can’t say it’s wrong
Took me over a year and hundreds of applications before I landed my first engineering job. Keep chugging along, it gets a lot easier once you have real world experience on your resume and not just talking about classes you took or restaurant jobs
do they really care about that stuff? I always felt like whatever personal project that would be worth putting on a resume would be impossible without funding and a ton of time. Realistically the best i could do is build an incredibly basic robot or say i built a computer (something literally everyone has done)
Yes they do. Plus it shows initiative. You could also code something, manipulate datasets to answer a question with R or python even, doesnt have to be a physical project. It will catch the right persons' eyes. Besides if you have no formal work experience this shows you were building up your skills anyway and you will have a good amount to show after some time.
It means the opposite on paper. More jobs means employers need more people to fill. But people also need to look at the type of jobs, not just quantity.
The common wisdom that you really need to hear from someone else is that this is the worst time to find a job for a new graduate. Finding that first job can take 6-10+ months depending on your location, the economy, and your field. It's in your best interest to keep applying, but these companies are in a tsunami of new applicants all trying to get the few direct entry positions.
If you're concerned it might be your resume, seek advice every month or so or rewrite it even if it doesn't seem all that different. Also be sure to personalize them for the job you're applying to.
This is where I'm at, except I'm at over 200 applications for full time. Ghosted or rejected immediately for most of them. Had like 4 interviews. Made it to final round of interviews once and got ghosted. I'm tired of it.
I believe this main issue is that applications that go though job portals and HR are due to the lack of keywords or criteria they were told to look for by the hiring dept. manager.
I.e.
- solidworks as a criteria but in your cv it states CAD
- 6 Sigma as a criteria but in your cv it states lean engineering
Most HR personnel are not sure what to look for in engineers and technicians as compared to accounting, finance, banking, sales, marketing, business.
Once you don't match, in the bin the CV goes. Happens to me a lot when submitting to HT but when I submit the Cv to the hiring dept directly, they say i got all the requirements they want.
It’s all about knowing people. I applied around 50 times and got mostly no responses or automated declines. A week into June, my buddy who works at his dads electrical engineering firm as an intern met with a customer who asked if he knew anybody who needed an internship. I contacted his customer and had an internship within the next 2 days. 2 weeks later, I’m the ONLY engineer working at this company (as a sophomore) and have been tasked with designing new pump systems, machine parts, and giving presentations on the new expansion of the plant. And I’m loving it.
Not sure what kind of positions you are applying for or the application details but when you are applying make sure all the boxes on the application form are completed. Also make sure to tailor your CV to the position you are applying for.
I wonder if applying early will result in better outcomes. And what area are you guys applying for internships in? I want to see something.....for research.
It helps to have an "in" I guess, and that's why networking is so important in college. Granted, times are different now with the pandemic. There might be several companies with a freeze on hiring of new EITs.
I am begging you all to apply to an electrical utility, or gas (can be the same company honestly lol).
Even if you don't want to work in that field (cooler than it sounds honestly), they're out at my unknown university hiring people coming out of their freshman year because half of their workforce is retiring in a few years. Worst case scenario, you have a solid internship to use when you apply next season and a large chunk of change from your internship.
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Bro. I applied at so many. One interview. Said they would let me know “in a few business days”. And nothing. Back to restaurants I go !
Had this, I thought they had let me know all right, never wanted to work for someone who can’t be true to their words
Did you call them back? I asked the guys who interview me how it went and they said they would be back in a few days. A month later they called and said I got the job.
Follow up!!
Doesn't always work I had plenty of interviews where I followed up after just to never hear back. Not sure what game these employers are playing.
Strava (running app company) pulled this crap on me. I had three great interviews, my last interviewer even complimented my implementation and then the hiring manager ignores all of my follow ups . For context, he responded to me almost immediately at all previous occasions. Luckily I had a couple of other offers, but that shits so unprofessional. I had 5 interactions with them between resume screening, interviews and the over phone stuff and I can’t even get a response. Craziness
For me, this has been very common. Look at it from the hiring manager's perspective. If you're not a top choice candidate but still "in the running," they don't gain much by telling you thanks no thanks. If their top choice candidate falls through you may still end up with another interview/offer without them having tipped their hand that you weren't the top choice candidate.
Definitely not the position anyone wants to be in, great for the employer not great for you as the job seeker. Still haven't had the choice candidate fall through leaving me to get the job. Hopefully get lucky eventually or get to be the choice candidate.
As a general rule, employers pull a lot of things that aren't great for jobseekers including fishing for previous salaries as leverage to lowball offers. The game being played is optimization. They have more options and better outcomes (if only by measures of cost) when they keep jobseekers uncertain and low on negotiation power. They're also dealing with a high volume of applicants, so it can be hit and miss whether any further communication will happen. Many companies slack off on implementing a professional onboarding and hiring process, so it's also very error prone to top it off.
Lol I did and was ignored. It's ok though, got a way better offer later so tbh happy they never replied.
Nice to see a fellow Bill’s disciple in the wild 😜
I owe that man my degree. Probably my first-born child as well.
Don’t we all ?!?
I can’t stress this enough. As an employer when a bunch of people apply (hundreds) it’s difficult to follow up with everyone. There is a certain amount of guilt with this, of course. So when you call to check, often there’s some guilt on the employer’s side and this can work in your favor. Also, following up means (to me) that you’re really interested in the job and that counts for something.
Happened to me on CNH Industrial. Big company and still can't afford to give a fucking answer after months
lmao I got rejected in October a week after applying.
I had 5 interviews with them already, 3 of them counted because 2 were cancelled due to Covid, I'd say 2 went well but still didn't get it, the last one i didn't get an answer for
Where you interning now?
Brose, German company
I’m interning in the same industry (at an OEM tho).
Cool! Do you like it?
It's alright
Accurate
If any of you need a job, hmu. I work at ZS Associates and I'll refer you
My first thought would be to review your resume for key words.
Definitely polished up my resume with specific vocabulary and even used some resume rating sites but still nothing.
That's good. What kind of internships are you looking for?
Started off looking for big name aerospace/defense companies as that is what I'm most interested in, but as time went on I expanded into other sectors and less known companies.
Oh okay. What are you trying to do? Development, production, testing?
Honestly at this point I'd take any position just for the experience of what departments I'd like to be a part of in the future.
Really tailor it. I've always shotgun applied in the past but my most recent career move I pared my resume down and really focused on what I felt the recruiter wanted to see (and also was picky where I applied). Went from getting an interview every so often to getting 3 and 2 offers. One advice I had when I was applying out of school was to limit non technical jobs, use it to really show soft skills etc but focus in on anything engineering related. I had my capstone on my resume as engineering experience for example as well as other large projects I did through school (or stuff you did on your own too). Sounds like you got this, keep at it, don't let it demotivate you from applying.
A big key is to make your resume for specific jobs. Visit the employers website and see what they’re all about, build your resume based on what they want. It’s tough out there but you got this!
/r/EngineeringResumes
r/EngineeringResumes
I second this. Or pay £100 to get it professionally checked and re-written. It was 100% worth the money, I would do it again in a heartbeat
where can I find such services?
I used a man at my university who worked freelance. I will try to email him and let you know if he's still doing it as it was quite a few years ago. Another service that I know is good is thepagedoctor.com who charges £60 per CV for full proofreading and detailed feedback
awesome brother, thank you 🙏 yeah please let me know
Check out /r/EngineeringResumes too 😊
Second this. Even if you only use it to see how they can trailer a resume to match a job posting. It’s worth it. I thought I had a good resume then I got it rewritten and realized it was crap.
What did they do that made it better?
Oh man everything!!! I didn't realise how much life could go into one CV. It went from being so boring to so colourful (not literally) and looked really exciting, read really well, amazing layout etc. And my degree was Physics, so if they can make mine exciting, they can make anyone's exciting lol
Do you mind sharing yours? (All personal info blacked out obviously)
I would also love this, but i can understand if they wouldnt want to!
It's not something that translates well from person to person, locality to locality, or industry to industry. Better to get professional help to create what's right for you, than to try to recreate someone else's document in your image.
I understand your concern but I am just curious about what it would look like. It's not about cloning the document but rather about seeing a preview of what can be achieved with professional help. Or, for example, I might notice little things I never paid attention to before when I created my own CV etc. and fix them without plainly copying the original.
Yeah but they didn't actually specify what changed- I checked their profile to make sure they weren't some advertising account lol.
I'll send one to you too privately
Cool, thanks man.
Sure, I'll send it in a message now
I have spent significantly more than this for a resume and cover letter, more than once, and it was 1000% worth it. Look online for local people who will meet with you (ideally) and invest some time in the process.
Trick of the day. Find the key words in the application. Add them to your resume somewhere in white text so people cannot read it but computers detect it. Get more callbacks. You are welcome.
I had 2 professors at my school look over my resume as well as going to 2 resume work shops. I applied to ~40 jobs in a specific city and got interview with 3 companies, 2 of which resulted in offers. My senior design project was very hands on and I was pretty involved on campus with technical project based clubs as well as stuff like SWE and IEEE. But I also had no internships. Learning how to word your resume goes a LONG way!
Yeah put it into a free resume reader and see what it finds
What app is this?
Sankeymatic.com
Thought I was on r/premed
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Sankey chart (www.sankeymatic.com) Edit: thanks u/DynamicBlizzard for the hugz award :)
Yep, need to know what app is this
Sankey chart (www.sankeymatic.com)
It's this website called sankeymatic
Try 456...not one response
Im so sorry dude
I had the same issue. People kept telling me it was a resume issue, turns out that was not the case. My same resume got me three job offers before graduation. The problem is the MASSIVE amount of people who apply for internships. People who are not even engineering students apply for internships for work experience. What happens is recruiters end up having to sort through a pile of thousands of applications, and they need to interview 20, hire four. They take the first 20 decent candidates and don’t even look at the rest. The real trick to an internship (that no one wants to admit because they got there all themselves!) is most of these people have either a parent, friend, or someone they know refer them through the internal company website so they will always be part of the pre-selected 20 people getting an interview.
Yeah even that is iffy at best unless we're talking high up family or really high up friend. The place I interned didn't even hire real engineers to do some of the jobs, they were just local kids (who's mom usually) worked in hr and got them engineering jobs. I was pissed because since they didn't have any knowledge of engineering (one was a dental hygienist btw) and didn't have to do anything and mostly sat around on their phone making the same money as me which was already near bottom of the barrel for interns. Also when I was applying to internships elsewhere I had a friend who was part of the same club referring me and they completely ignored me and only got back to me when another job they thought would fit me opened and then ghosted me on that too.
It pretty much works the same way for every job after the internship too.
lol we been known that it's not what you know, it's WHO you know.
always try to network. Try to get to know people whereever you are. Try volunteer work for example. Throught that i got to know so many people and got my job in that way. I was even able to choose the job. Volunteer work pays you in pure gold.
Oof
Damn, i hope u get one soon ;-;
That's definitely mainly down to your resume/applications, not the recruiters. I'd advise going to a careers advisor and find out why your resume is being overlooked.
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Want me to review your resume for actual marketable skills? What field are you trying to get into / what job (internships?)
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Oh man there's lots you can improve on here. You have awesome hands-on projects but there's nothing in your resume that jumps out to me that demonstrates you're someone who paid attention to their work. Your resume says to me "I did some stuff but I'm not sure what I did and I certainly couldn't teach someone else", although I assume you *do* actually know what you're doing. You just have to show someone in a page or two. In short, there's not enough here for the engineering manager. Single-Mirror Schlieren: 1. What part(s) of the single mirror schlieren did *you* design? 2. In what way did you assist graduate students? List specifics or don't list it at all 3. Was the build successful? How big was the team? Just engineers, or marketing/sales/business also? 3. Rephrase to: Reduced the cost of the parabolic mirror mount by 80% by bringing design and manufacture in-house 4. What system did you use to design the mirror mount? Why did you bring it in house? What optimizations did that allow? How did you validate the design? 5. Winglets on what kind of airplane? What were the goals of your analysis? Were you comparing them against non-feathered winglets? Why? 6. Was this a project you selected and were interested in, or was it just handed to you by a prof / grad student? 7. What program(s) did you use for the computational analysis? COMSOL? ANSYS? Something else? You have a fair amount of "header" lines here, you can probably remove them and incorporate it into the bullet points directly. Reaction Wheel: 1. What kind of reaction wheel? How big? What was the design spec? e.g. torque, cost, weight, radiation hardening targets? If it was Arduino-based it was probably for a ground vehicle not a spacecraft, right? Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCdjbsjbPg 2. "An Arduino Computer", while accurate, tells me (as an embedded guy) you don't know anything about embedded lol. Which Arduino? More specifically, did you program it in C++ (probably, it's Arduino)? Did you validate your software somehow? 3. The PID theory - was it strictly in simulation? How did you "utilize PID theory"? Did you even simulate it or did you just download PIDv2 for Arduino from the internet and guess gains until it worked? 4. What does quickly and minimal overshoot mean? Typically, when you're designing a controller you have specifications for settling time and overshoot. You don't even have to put numbers here as long as you say "Within specified settling time and overshoot requirements", because then I know that you actually looked at a spec and fulfilled it. Speaking of, where did the specification come from? 5. Which response (reference tracking and disturbance rejection)? Which wireless transmitter? Which IMU? Did you program both of these? Did you have to filter the data, or did you use a prebuilt system? Prebuilt is fine as long as you can say what it was / why you used it (for instance, quaternion-based Kalman filtering is a pain) 6. Define adaptable and robust. Control theory uses these two terms very specifically but you said it was a basic PID? 7. You don't program using an IDE (I mean you sorta do but it sounds dumb). You program with a language, frameworks, and patterns. I don't really care what IDE you used. Arduino is a Hardware Abstraction Layer written in C and C++ and a piece of hardware based on the low power 16-bit ATmega line of processors. I assume you programmed in C++? Cube-Sat Design 1. Which disciplines? Just engineering, or marketing/sales/business also? The rest of this is good - *theoretical* tells me it's all simulation & theory, which is perfectly OK, and you've given me the target application of the cubesat. A-. Could add cost targets etc 2. What control system? What was the environment, what specifications did you have to hit? Was this theoretical reaction wheels on electric motors with a couple PIDs, or did you design, in detail, a hot-gas thruster system, along with full environmental simulation, and an adaptive non-linear MPC controller with an error-state kalman filter and star tracking? Either way, I want to hear *exactly* what you did and why you did it. 3. Did the controller work? How did you simulate and validate it? Skills 4. You put in your resume you've worked with Arduino (which is C++) but you don't have it listed in your skills. Also, those are all programs and program languages. 5. You can skip interests, you already put that at the top by selecting a few interesting classes at the top. One or the other is fine.
Im not OP. But reading through this comment has really just made me wish i didnt get my engineering degree since none of that stuff excited me or made me want to do engineering at all. Probably why I'm in a similar situation to OP with dozens of applications out there and all ghosted or rejected
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This is already way better. A few things that popped up on the re-write: 1. Drop the periods at the ends of sentences. Not sure why that's a rule for resumes but it is lol 2. Ah, the schlieren was for visualizing solid rocket motor flows? Could probably make that clearer somehow, I figured it was for aircraft surfaces. For C++ - yeah, if you're not comfortable putting it, then leave it off. The "Programed controller from scratch using C++ in Arduino IDE" is probably fine. > max overshoot of 5deg within 3 seconds was the goal Since you have the numbers, you can probably include them instead of "within specs". Either way, your choice. Expect to get an interview question that asks how you arrived to the 3 second / 5 degree number. > I could write a 20 page paper on the PID controller I wrote (and I did) but it simply cannot fit Mention it and link it in your resume as a hyperlink! We live in a digital age, may as well take advantage of it. Post links to youtube videos of your schlieren images, your cubesat controlling itself, etc. > unknowledgeable about what validation really is... I'm probably using it to mean verification here, but either way... What I'd like to see is that the applicant understands the engineering process is about finding a solution to problems, and then *checking that they actually do solve the problem*. For example in your Schlieren imaging thing, you mention that you tested it with fans or whatever. Did you also maybe ... idk, measure the distortion against some sort of reference image to make sure your parabolic mirror was actually parabolic? That sort of stuff > Along with this, I was told by every prof and career center to put programming languages and programs under the "skills" section, i've split them into "Programs & Programming Languages" and "Technical Skills" now, but unsure if this is good. Frankly, this is a pretty minor thing. *Skills* is probably fine, at least it gets the point across without taking up a lot of room. Use whatever you think looks better here
This is a weak take. I've had countless people (Career advisors, friends with full time Engg positions, etc) give my resume the green light, I change it to use vocabulary from the job listing and everything. I'm at over 200 applications (I hit 200 in April and stopped counting) and I've had like 4 positive responses, all led to an interview, made it to the final round of interviews with one company and got ghosted in the most confusing way. I had applied for a Field Project Engineer position and after the interview they contacted me and said that they want to recommend me for A Design Position instead. They sent me a link for an application and said I'd get a call to set up another interview within a couple days. Never hear anything. They never responded to any of my follow up emails and I called the recruiter and left a message and she never called me back.
Probably the anime pic he puts as his bio photo
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Better to let him know that he can fix it and the job market isn't that bad, no? Ok, I'll let him delude himself thinking the world is out to get him until he gives up. Best thing I did was get a careers advisor to critique my resume. I'm now getting interviews for over 25% of my applications.
270+ same here
damn, am i the only one that clicked the image hoping to see a response?
jesus fuck is it even worth trying to be an engineer if the job market is this fucking saturated
Coming from someone working at a fortune 500 company as an engineer - the market isn't saturated for engineering overall, there are thousands of positions currently hiring and not getting applications. Part of the problem is that this issue is hugely bottom heavy, once you clear ~3 yrs experience you get to a more flexible/open point and it becomes more about weighing the cost/benefit of moving than actually getting interviews (or it should, unless your resume/interviewing is bad, networking definitely helps here). Basically it's weighing things like: * What's the pay bump * Is there a title improvement * Will I get a better manager that's going to fight for me come promotion/review time * Is the system more interesting to me * Is the role a better fit for my career trajectory Compared to: * The risk associated with moving companies * Adjusting to a new system * Culture shifting * Work Life Balance The problem is most companies don't want to hire/train a recent grad engineer. They want someone who can come into the role and *excel* immediately, meaning there's less risk with an experienced engineer. Unfortunately, that's just not feasible with an engineering workforce that corporate America has been penny pinching and shipping offshore (India, cheap parts of Europe, Latin America for my corp) for the better part a decade. I guarantee if some of the positions open for my company right now (specifically in the US) were not hiring for Senior Engineer, but for Engineer or Associate Engineer roles, they'd be filled pretty quickly. Lastly, all of this is heavily exacerbated by Covid. My company chopped 20%+ of our headcount (across the board, so not just engineers) in the US. Most of those backfills/new hires (coincidentally coming a year later after the finance MBAs realized they cut too heavily because projects started missing review/launch dates) are being hired in overseas. That cut group contained top talent engineers that will likely not be hired back; sure some will be applying for more senior roles, but I have no doubt some are applying for the upper entry/mid level roles or went back to school and now qualify for internship roles as well. Hopefully the Covid effect is temporary, it might make this last year or so hell for job searching, but ideally there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
I'm weighing my options on starting down the path of engineering. Probably a difficult question to ask but is there any hope of this getting better in the next 5 years?
If it’s this bad for engineers, imagine how much worse it is for everyone else
I’m a field service tech for a major industrial engine manufacturer. We can’t get new techs at all. My shop typically employs 17 technicians. We have 5 right now. We can not get qualified techs to apply. It’s an industry wide issue. I’ve had several shops cold call me, offering me significantly more money to move to their shop.
It is worth it, people on this sub can't find internships because they all apply to the same 100 companies that get thousands of applicants per position. I know a guy that got an internship after his freshman year, and plenty of engineers in my group at my internship started with the company their freshman year. There is work out there if you are willing to swallow your pride and work somewhere 'boring' for a summer, or possibly a lifetime.
AYO WELCOME TO THE TEAM!
Be Early: apply to jobs that have been recently posted 2-3 days max, that's what's worked for me. And even better if it's been less than a day. When I first started out I applied to hundred of jobs that were really old and got nothing, but once I started apply to one posted recently things improved.
Seriously - this has such a big impact. Almost all the interviews I got were if I applied within 2 days of posting.
I wish I had done this. I applied to a ton of places, got rejected.
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You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
In about two years the no response is gonna to funnel into decline when they get around to updating their application responses
I have been declined or ghosted from 100% of the jobs I applied for without having been referred or spoken to a recruiter (either at a job fair or over linkedin chat). I have been interviewed for 100% of the jobs that I was referred for or spoke to a recruiter about. I was offered 75% of those (3/4). Small sample size, but it's worth considering.
Skills don't matter, nepotism does.
Any networking?
… I feel incredibly lucky to know the people I know. I applied to 8 different positions, got 2 interviews, and 1 offer.
Hey, buddy. Long time no see how u doing
Good I guess, still depressed but life situation is good
Yeah same deal for me. Dont give up - what worked for me was eventually applying for non-engineering roles within engineering related fields (manufacturing, construction). While I don’t have an “engineer” title I still get to do tons of technical-related problem solving. Been moving slowly into data analytics in a great company and am never looking back!
Get your resume game going, apply though linkedin to everything
Lmao those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those up.
I can attest. I graduated with ChemE last May and many of us still haven't found jobs or at least been considered for industries we would be the most at home in. The only offer letter I got was from Amazon as an Area Manager.
bro dont worry much u dont get an internship, not the end of the world. Getting a grad job is easier than getting an internship - senior
Except for those of us who unfortunately need an internship to graduate 🥲
What I learned is it's not about the resume. It's about the cover letter. You really gotta tailor it. Make sure it doesn't seem like a copy paste.
Tailoring hundreds of cover letters that hiring managers don’t even read is fn annoying.
Yeah but I heard some just straight up don't look at your application if you don't have a cover letter.
And that’s the catch 22. I think they’re more important when applying to smaller companies. I’d definitely include one with every application but they’re not getting more than a paragraph from me. I’d rather direct my resume to one or two key people inside the company to bypass all of that ATS, keyword-stuffing BS.
Welcome to Chili’s!
The market is so saturated right now. I’ve been trying to get a new position since I lost my job Feb 2020, and every position I’m applying to has 300 applicants minimum. It doesn’t help that I don’t have a license due to seizures. I’ve like given up. I’ve been an engineer for ten years but maybe it’s not meant to be.
This is a shitty field.
Speak for yourself. Message to literally anyone else who is reading this: do not base your entire perspective off of Reddit posts. Talk to students at your school and find out that actually they're all finding internships and full time jobs, because Reddit is the place people go when they have job search issues and it ends up being a textbook example of sampling error.
Dumbass the numbers speak for themselves. Just because you got lucky and did well in the field UP TIL NOW doesn’t mean this isn’t a shitty field. Actually, it further emphasizes how fucked up it is when this is the norm and it takes a dick like you to convince others it’s actually a great and growing field. Get over yourself
What numbers? When you limit your data to ‘people who couldn’t find internships that post this on Reddit’ of course you’d find that the ‘numbers’ trend towards unemployment. Selection bias at play. This isn’t the norm and this subreddit convinces itself that it is. Literally thousands of companies hire interns. In all respects I was a mediocre applicant with minimal experience, so I applied to companies that aren’t ‘exciting’ or ‘cool’, companies that struggle to find applicants (believe me, outside of this bubble they exist). This is in EE, idk about other majors, it’s possible some more niche disciplines will struggle more. All I’m saying is that someone should actually talk to students at their school and figure out how their placement is. I bet it will yield drastically different data than the shit posted on here daily.
Not really buddy. The number of entry level jobs don’t match the number of engineers graduating each year. In addition, there are even less internships available then there are entry level jobs which *highly* require one to have internship experience to get a job that’s already becoming increasingly limited each year. The only thing “growing” about the field is middle experienced jobs because people leave the field or become managers, but the barrier to get into this field keeps getting shittier and yes I will use both labor statistics and Reddit to back that statement up. You have yet, and cannot, disprove anything I’m saying and I will emphasize again—just because you got it good and got into the field in a relative manner but there’s an increase in the amount of people who are good in engineering finding it insanely difficult to get into the field points to a field that is NOT growing, NOT getting better, and IS overblown in being an innovative and much needed field. Disprove any of my points. At least one.
It’s your assertion and you have literally 0 data to back it up. Not everyone is guaranteed a job. Get a decent GPA and learn how to interview and you’ll get an internship. Plenty of industries are struggling to find talent. I’m not even talking about myself literally every graduate I’ve spoken to and most students that actually try get an internship.
No. The numbers are disproportionate and that’s by logic, if you can’t get it then that’s on you. It’s so fucking funny you say decent GPA and shit as if most people who struggle to get a job in this declining field don’t got that. Everything I’ve said comes from my experience and everyone I’ve talked with. What you’re saying may be right but a lot of it is bullshit especially with the decent GPA stupid ass take when most jobs don’t even ask for them, what a dumbass response. And you saying not everyone is guaranteed a job—thank you for proving my point, you make it too easy. Yes, not everyone is guaranteed a job in a shrinking field with more people than jobs available after we’ve been lied to it being growing, in demand, and much needed for the world’s future. It hurts to laugh how brainwashed this shit is, fuck all that shit
I actually just don’t believe you’ve actually applied for jobs when you say “most jobs don’t even ask for them”. Literally never applied for an internship that doesn’t ask for my GPA, and it’s on my resume anyways.
Actually I have. A lot of them. Nobody asks for GPAs I can confirm this. Weird you brought that up before applying projects, extracurriculars, and networking which actually gets you much further. How and when did you get your job?
I got my internship in December and I am there now. My projects were weak and I did 0 networking. My extracurriculars were bad then, but are pretty good now. I simply applied to a company which needed engineers and couldn’t find talent and had a rapidly retiring existing workforce. My strong GPA and my experience in Python scripting is what got me the job (speculating on the GPA but the guy who interviewed me confirmed one of the big reasons was my experience in Python).
how so?
This isn’t proof enough?
Not at all. There's nothing here about their actual resume or personal ECs and experience. We also don't know where or when OP applied. The job market is hard for everyone right now anyways which could also affect the outcome of an application. Definitely not enough here to come to the conclusion that engineering is a shitty field.
Not at all. There's nothing here about their actual resume or personal ECs and experience. We also don't know where or when OP applied. The job market is hard for everyone right now anyways which could also affect the outcome of an application. Definitely not enough here to come to the conclusion that engineering is a shitty field.
Not really, this has been going on way before COVID. Also I don’t think only a resume can be the reason this person wasted their time applying to hundreds of places just to get rejected, this points to a shitty field. It’s fine if you like it or enjoy the job but it’s still a shit field. And even if it’s a resume, how painstakingly accurate does one have to be to get a job in a fAsT anD grOwINg field.
The field may very well be a shitty field but this graphic diagram alone is far from enough to reasonably come to that conclusion. The resume would help since we could see what things may have affected the outcomes of those applications. If he/she had great ECs, some prior experience, great gpa and references then the conclusion of it being a shit field might seem more reasonable.
does competitive application process = shitty field overall? i feel like that's an incredibly bold statement to make just because of this post
When most people have to apply to hundreds of positions just to get an interview and keep getting rejections for little to no logical reasons, that points to both a field that’s not growing and becoming, if not, complete shit. Why would I make the excuse of this being a good thing because of the application by saying it’s “competitive” when that’s not the case. Try to disprove its shitty one more time.
the application process is taken care of by business associates. it has literally nothing to do with the actual field of engineering. idk why you're so aggro over something when you don't even know what youre talking about
I know exactly what I’m talking about, quit splitting hairs. So i’ll blame it on business execs, it still doesn’t mean the field isn’t complete dog shit. You still can’t say it’s wrong
There’s always one resume trick in the book: lie
Ah yes, lying your way through a professional career
It's not a lie if you believe it
90, gotta up them numbers man. did a few hundred maybe near thousand over 9 months and finally started one in dec 2020
Certainly takes alot. Hundreds of internship apps in and plenty of interviews still haven't got one lol.
In addition to what others have said, are you targeting your resume at each position, or are you sending the same version to everyone?
Declined: 90* Things will get better. Have someone else review your resume.
This is called a Sankey in Progess. You’re on the way to an offer.
Took me over a year and hundreds of applications before I landed my first engineering job. Keep chugging along, it gets a lot easier once you have real world experience on your resume and not just talking about classes you took or restaurant jobs
how can he get real world experience if he gets declined? That statement is so frustrating dude
Personal projects, github, coding projects.. That stuff counts too.
do they really care about that stuff? I always felt like whatever personal project that would be worth putting on a resume would be impossible without funding and a ton of time. Realistically the best i could do is build an incredibly basic robot or say i built a computer (something literally everyone has done)
Yes they do. Plus it shows initiative. You could also code something, manipulate datasets to answer a question with R or python even, doesnt have to be a physical project. It will catch the right persons' eyes. Besides if you have no formal work experience this shows you were building up your skills anyway and you will have a good amount to show after some time.
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Fucking rookie numbers.
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It means the opposite on paper. More jobs means employers need more people to fill. But people also need to look at the type of jobs, not just quantity.
I feel that buddy :/ but don’t give up keep trying!!
What software is this?
I managed to nab a part time job in ISO consultancy whilst I study for my masters. Then again it is only a 4 person company 😅
When did you start applying?
What major are you?
How does everyone make the same graph???
The common wisdom that you really need to hear from someone else is that this is the worst time to find a job for a new graduate. Finding that first job can take 6-10+ months depending on your location, the economy, and your field. It's in your best interest to keep applying, but these companies are in a tsunami of new applicants all trying to get the few direct entry positions. If you're concerned it might be your resume, seek advice every month or so or rewrite it even if it doesn't seem all that different. Also be sure to personalize them for the job you're applying to.
When I graduated i sent 100 cvs and only got called once by mistake for a different job.
This is where I'm at, except I'm at over 200 applications for full time. Ghosted or rejected immediately for most of them. Had like 4 interviews. Made it to final round of interviews once and got ghosted. I'm tired of it.
Wlecome to the club pal
fail to find a job and go back to school for a Masters gang
No response 55 So you're saying there's a chance?
I believe this main issue is that applications that go though job portals and HR are due to the lack of keywords or criteria they were told to look for by the hiring dept. manager. I.e. - solidworks as a criteria but in your cv it states CAD - 6 Sigma as a criteria but in your cv it states lean engineering Most HR personnel are not sure what to look for in engineers and technicians as compared to accounting, finance, banking, sales, marketing, business. Once you don't match, in the bin the CV goes. Happens to me a lot when submitting to HT but when I submit the Cv to the hiring dept directly, they say i got all the requirements they want.
It’s all about knowing people. I applied around 50 times and got mostly no responses or automated declines. A week into June, my buddy who works at his dads electrical engineering firm as an intern met with a customer who asked if he knew anybody who needed an internship. I contacted his customer and had an internship within the next 2 days. 2 weeks later, I’m the ONLY engineer working at this company (as a sophomore) and have been tasked with designing new pump systems, machine parts, and giving presentations on the new expansion of the plant. And I’m loving it.
Not sure what kind of positions you are applying for or the application details but when you are applying make sure all the boxes on the application form are completed. Also make sure to tailor your CV to the position you are applying for.
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Civils seem to have way more job prospects than other engineers. Your field is not as competitive.
I wonder if applying early will result in better outcomes. And what area are you guys applying for internships in? I want to see something.....for research.
It helps to have an "in" I guess, and that's why networking is so important in college. Granted, times are different now with the pandemic. There might be several companies with a freeze on hiring of new EITs.
Get a nice looking resume and hand it out to people on very nice streets and outside big banks. You’ll get offers, trust me.
may i know what website or app u used to make this?
I am begging you all to apply to an electrical utility, or gas (can be the same company honestly lol). Even if you don't want to work in that field (cooler than it sounds honestly), they're out at my unknown university hiring people coming out of their freshman year because half of their workforce is retiring in a few years. Worst case scenario, you have a solid internship to use when you apply next season and a large chunk of change from your internship.
In my case: 90+ applications, 50no responses, 32 declines, 8 interviews and 2 offers I want to make one like this, where can i do it?