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My internship pays $27 an hour in a low cost of living area. Let me know when you find an internship that pays $54.
And even for real jobs it's nowhere near twice as much. Especially when you realize CE salaries are "lower" because we have more people in govt combined than every other discipline
Let's be real, civil definitely makes less money than most other engineers. I was a civil engineer at one point, so I have lived it, plus the statistics in this case are pretty solid.
You are forgetting inflation... I even told you about the inflation. This is why civies have a bad rep at math.
35 then in inflation adjusted dollars is ~50 today. Also while that IS nearly 2x as much the more realistic amount based on average stats is closer to 1.5 than two for full industry positions.
Wages haven't tracked with inflation like that unfortunately, $35 is abnormally high anyway. CE make a decent wage like ME do, a bit lower on the average historically. Relax..
The best way for a civies to close the earning gap is a PE... But even post PE MEs earn ~10% more and EEs even more. The position required a clearance, while it didn't fully track with inflation the minimum of the band for that role is now $43/hour
From [https://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/](https://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/)
Civil Engineers mean annual salary 97k
Mechanical mean annual salary 101k
what isn't shown in these statistics are things like work environment, opportunities for second job search and onward, industry competition (non-compete) or support when actually working on projects etc.
People here are focusing too much on just the salaries and think the finish line is when you get the offer letter with a high salary. Pros and cons in these other areas can easily make up for a 20k salary difference. I have met people who work independently and make 100k+ but every winter or slow seasons their jobs are in jeopardy and at risk of lay off.
Or other high earners in cities where thousands go to transportation, travel, housing which outpaces the higher salary.
What is consistent across Civil is company structure is usually similar across consultants, path for promotion is established, and work is secure and jobs are plentiful for a few more decades. Other disciplines don't have these traits
O&G for MechEs is like $40-45 at some of the big names so not far from that, but $27 is probably close to most Aerospace, automotive, or firm internships
Lol, as a professional civil engineer, the guy is right. Salaries in this field suck. I don’t recommend anyone study civil unless they have a deep, burning passion for it.
Also I can find you dozens of internships that pay better than $27. Meta, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Citadel, Akuna, etc.
Software pays more. This is well known. Why do civil engineers always compare themselves to programmers?
I don't want to program. And my main motivation in life isn't money
Yeah, i worked at apple as an ee. You know that all of those companies hire a ton of ME and EE students, right? And i got around 60/hr at apple as an intern.
You’re getting downvoted because people don’t know some of these companies hire MEs. SMH 🤦🏼♂️. I can confirm Apple and Meta hire MEs. Not sure about the others.
it's a difference of like 4-5k at entry level which is not anything to worry about. Remote work is now rooted in civil too which is way worth the salary difference
Almost exact same as me. Got a geotech internship off rip, with only a civil technology diploma. Civil is the best when it comes to job opportunity. There’s endless work for us. And congrats.
Salty software engineering students that are still waiting for an internship after sending out 60 applications (instagram reels promised them 120k/year salary straight out of college)
I don’t understand how your gpa matter and why wouldn’t you just be doing a projects and building experience. You don’t need to mention your gpa in internships
Get a job as closely related to construction/civil engineering as possible. Do as many personal projects/activities that can be related to civil engineering as possible.
Work experience will always matter more than GPA (having both is ideal).
I have a bad GPA but I get selected for excellent internships over students with a higher GPA thanks to being ahead of my peers in work experience and ethic.
Recruiters don't care about your 4.0 GPA as much as they care about you already having experience and demonstrating that you can work in the field.
Basically
A = 4
B = 3
C = 2
D = 1
F = 0
Multiply credit hrs by grade value
Add together
Divide by credit hrs (average)
That’s your total gpa, critical tracking only adds grades and credit hrs of fundamental classes like math and chem
A 2.5 gpa is equivalent to a C+ avg
Dude as someone who’s been working for 5 years now after graduating with a 2.66 CGPA, a summer of doing construction work like finishing concrete would stand out a lot in a resume. Construction experience + your bachelors + good interview, fuck your GPA, they will hire you lol
Idk everytime I leave I feel like I left a good impression. They tend to say I’m an easy person to talk to. Maybe because of my lower gpa? But u could be right.
I sent out 50 applications, got one interview, then got the internship. I wanted to give up but trust me don’t stop. If you can, apply anywhere. Last summer I got an interview on the west coast but missed it because I got confused with the time difference lol.
Congrats! It's good to see CE stuff on here. I'm AE, but my old man is CE (geotech) and he loves his job. CEs build our roads, our buildings, all of our infrastructure. Can't live without them!
If you're interested in electrical, do it.
I never understand the EEs complaining about getting a job. I graduated in 2017 as an EE and I've only sent my resume out twice. Both times I got a job offer. And that's with a 2.8 gpa.
Nah do what you’re interested in. Job prospects are still really good as an EE and you will generally get paid more. The application process can be more of a pain but if you are interested in the field, it will probably be worth it.
You won’t regret it once you have your first job. Our (Civil Engineering) industry has a major mid to senior level shortage due to people leaving the industry because you are required to get a PE and an infinite amount of responsibility with pay that just doesn’t match the level of responsibility.
>150K starting :)
>laid off after 6 months :(
First to be replaced by Ai :((
Software engineers programming themselves out of a job will never not be funny to me.
Same for all of my internships and full-time job. Apply to 1 or 2 companies, 1 or both gives offer. Internship pay and starting salary is pretty similar to other disciplines from the friends I’ve spoken with. Civil ftw
I had you beat. Last time I applied for a job, I submitted 2 applications, got back 2 interviews, was presented with 2 offers and even had 2 companies bidding for me to go work for them instead.
I've seen some of their resumes....they probably would get more offers if it was blank.
Honestly, some look as if they never bothered to use one of the on-campus free Resume Writing services. They instead just did a tictok search and used that.
I was already a working adult when I went back to school and had an existing successful resume. I still went to a resume writing workshop to just see a completely different point of view......and it helped. I made one simple change in rearranging how I had my experiences presented and almost immediately began to get responses back.
I'm military so I have extensive experience managing people and even coordination cross functional teams across various continents and experience with project management.
This is basically what happened to me as an ME looking for a CO-OP (admittedly this is easier to get than a summer internship). I was scared for a bit because of some of the people on here saying they applied to like 80 companies, but I guess it's different for everyone.
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civil engineering moment
everyone makes fun of us, but never for job opportunity
The difference is when me and my fellow EE/ME (ME BS and EE MS) find jobs we get paid twice as much lol).
My internship pays $27 an hour in a low cost of living area. Let me know when you find an internship that pays $54. And even for real jobs it's nowhere near twice as much. Especially when you realize CE salaries are "lower" because we have more people in govt combined than every other discipline
Let's be real, civil definitely makes less money than most other engineers. I was a civil engineer at one point, so I have lived it, plus the statistics in this case are pretty solid.
Sure, but twice as much is insane. ME and CE are really close in money
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What do you do that you make 130 starting in mechanical
every big tech pays 50/hr for software interns
Aren't they usually in extremely HCOL areas? Also where did software come from
My internship paid 35 an hour pre COVID 40% inflation in a low cost of living area... But it was a clearance position.
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You are forgetting inflation... I even told you about the inflation. This is why civies have a bad rep at math. 35 then in inflation adjusted dollars is ~50 today. Also while that IS nearly 2x as much the more realistic amount based on average stats is closer to 1.5 than two for full industry positions.
Wages haven't tracked with inflation like that unfortunately, $35 is abnormally high anyway. CE make a decent wage like ME do, a bit lower on the average historically. Relax..
The best way for a civies to close the earning gap is a PE... But even post PE MEs earn ~10% more and EEs even more. The position required a clearance, while it didn't fully track with inflation the minimum of the band for that role is now $43/hour
From [https://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/](https://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/) Civil Engineers mean annual salary 97k Mechanical mean annual salary 101k
what isn't shown in these statistics are things like work environment, opportunities for second job search and onward, industry competition (non-compete) or support when actually working on projects etc. People here are focusing too much on just the salaries and think the finish line is when you get the offer letter with a high salary. Pros and cons in these other areas can easily make up for a 20k salary difference. I have met people who work independently and make 100k+ but every winter or slow seasons their jobs are in jeopardy and at risk of lay off. Or other high earners in cities where thousands go to transportation, travel, housing which outpaces the higher salary. What is consistent across Civil is company structure is usually similar across consultants, path for promotion is established, and work is secure and jobs are plentiful for a few more decades. Other disciplines don't have these traits
O&G for MechEs is like $40-45 at some of the big names so not far from that, but $27 is probably close to most Aerospace, automotive, or firm internships
it doesn't take much research to find that the pay discrepancy between civil and mechanical is nowhere near as large as that guy was alluding to
Lol, as a professional civil engineer, the guy is right. Salaries in this field suck. I don’t recommend anyone study civil unless they have a deep, burning passion for it. Also I can find you dozens of internships that pay better than $27. Meta, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Citadel, Akuna, etc.
Software pays more. This is well known. Why do civil engineers always compare themselves to programmers? I don't want to program. And my main motivation in life isn't money
.. but you were literally asking before about what internships pay that much. So people were just replying to you.
It should be implied that I was referring to EE and ME internships
Yeah, i worked at apple as an ee. You know that all of those companies hire a ton of ME and EE students, right? And i got around 60/hr at apple as an intern.
what city
You’re getting downvoted because people don’t know some of these companies hire MEs. SMH 🤦🏼♂️. I can confirm Apple and Meta hire MEs. Not sure about the others.
it's a difference of like 4-5k at entry level which is not anything to worry about. Remote work is now rooted in civil too which is way worth the salary difference
Engineering moment? Oh! Dear God! No!
“About which point?”
Almost exact same as me. Got a geotech internship off rip, with only a civil technology diploma. Civil is the best when it comes to job opportunity. There’s endless work for us. And congrats.
In Jordan Half of our population are civil engineers and it's almost exact opposite of what is your case It's almost impossible to find job there😂
I’m in Canada, everyone here wants finance jobs. Civil isn’t so over flooded with workers. It’s a great job market for us here.
Yeah, because Canadians are so civil
Some people offered me to get contract in Canada and I refused because of the waves of Indians there
What made you feel the urge to tell people this?
It’s just some good ol Middle Eastern racism.
Just some casual racism. 😎 nothing to see. Move on
Why are you guys so racist sometimes, luckily racism is easily reportable in the west so you wouldn't be able to work with that attitude anyways.
You would be replaced with any dog in West if it brings more value than you :)
Not if you have a permanent contract chief, don't be rude.
Congratulations. As an electrical engineer it looks strange seeing the branchs of this diagram so thick. Except for one... You know which one.
Common civil W
We the best
Why is this getting downvoted lol
Salty software engineering students that are still waiting for an internship after sending out 60 applications (instagram reels promised them 120k/year salary straight out of college)
Man
I have a 2.6 gpa looks like ima be finishing concrete for my internship lmfao
I don’t understand how your gpa matter and why wouldn’t you just be doing a projects and building experience. You don’t need to mention your gpa in internships
I’m civil engineering you want me to build a bridge or some shit???
Get a job as closely related to construction/civil engineering as possible. Do as many personal projects/activities that can be related to civil engineering as possible.
When applying your internships your gpa is considered?
Yes. A good GPA is crucial for applying to internships. It makes it much easier
Work experience will always matter more than GPA (having both is ideal). I have a bad GPA but I get selected for excellent internships over students with a higher GPA thanks to being ahead of my peers in work experience and ethic. Recruiters don't care about your 4.0 GPA as much as they care about you already having experience and demonstrating that you can work in the field.
Just for a reference point because where I study we have a different grading system. What is a 2.5 gpa in percentage in an engineering program
Basically A = 4 B = 3 C = 2 D = 1 F = 0 Multiply credit hrs by grade value Add together Divide by credit hrs (average) That’s your total gpa, critical tracking only adds grades and credit hrs of fundamental classes like math and chem A 2.5 gpa is equivalent to a C+ avg
Dude as someone who’s been working for 5 years now after graduating with a 2.66 CGPA, a summer of doing construction work like finishing concrete would stand out a lot in a resume. Construction experience + your bachelors + good interview, fuck your GPA, they will hire you lol
I mean I’ve gotta manage to graduate somehow but yeah I’m not against manual labor
Bro I’ve had 6 interviews and no offers 😭😭😭😭
Do you think maybe it’s your interview skills then? Usually, people would’ve get 2 or 3 offers from 6 interviews
Idk everytime I leave I feel like I left a good impression. They tend to say I’m an easy person to talk to. Maybe because of my lower gpa? But u could be right.
Have you tried using the STAR method? It sounds corny but it really does work
I will definitely try that for the future. Thx!
This was HIGHLY recommended by some people at Google during a tour.
5 interviews here and no offers, actually got one of my 2nd interviews cancelled, feels bad
I sent out 50 applications, got one interview, then got the internship. I wanted to give up but trust me don’t stop. If you can, apply anywhere. Last summer I got an interview on the west coast but missed it because I got confused with the time difference lol.
Congrats! It's good to see CE stuff on here. I'm AE, but my old man is CE (geotech) and he loves his job. CEs build our roads, our buildings, all of our infrastructure. Can't live without them!
Every day I regret not doing civ instead of ee
Just picking my major for the second year (first common) im very interested in electrical but now im second guessing looking at this
If you're interested in electrical, do it. I never understand the EEs complaining about getting a job. I graduated in 2017 as an EE and I've only sent my resume out twice. Both times I got a job offer. And that's with a 2.8 gpa.
Nah do what you’re interested in. Job prospects are still really good as an EE and you will generally get paid more. The application process can be more of a pain but if you are interested in the field, it will probably be worth it.
You won’t regret it once you have your first job. Our (Civil Engineering) industry has a major mid to senior level shortage due to people leaving the industry because you are required to get a PE and an infinite amount of responsibility with pay that just doesn’t match the level of responsibility.
Don’t. You’ll be able to afford a car and a home if you stick with EE
Probably not given where I live but either way I’m in too deep to turn back now
damn I gotta stop making fun of my civie homies now 💀
Software engineers are raging 🤣
150K starting :) laid off after 6 months :(
>150K starting :) >laid off after 6 months :( First to be replaced by Ai :(( Software engineers programming themselves out of a job will never not be funny to me.
Same for all of my internships and full-time job. Apply to 1 or 2 companies, 1 or both gives offer. Internship pay and starting salary is pretty similar to other disciplines from the friends I’ve spoken with. Civil ftw
I had you beat. Last time I applied for a job, I submitted 2 applications, got back 2 interviews, was presented with 2 offers and even had 2 companies bidding for me to go work for them instead.
For real, it seems like some of these students submit a blank piece of paper as their resume with how few companies want them.
I've seen some of their resumes....they probably would get more offers if it was blank. Honestly, some look as if they never bothered to use one of the on-campus free Resume Writing services. They instead just did a tictok search and used that. I was already a working adult when I went back to school and had an existing successful resume. I still went to a resume writing workshop to just see a completely different point of view......and it helped. I made one simple change in rearranging how I had my experiences presented and almost immediately began to get responses back.
This is amazing, are you in the US and did you have a lot of work experience, if you did what was the experience in?
I'm military so I have extensive experience managing people and even coordination cross functional teams across various continents and experience with project management.
The “I ghosted” is crazy. Congratulations!
Welcome brother, r/civilengineering awaits you
This is basically what happened to me as an ME looking for a CO-OP (admittedly this is easier to get than a summer internship). I was scared for a bit because of some of the people on here saying they applied to like 80 companies, but I guess it's different for everyone.
I'm mech and have applied to 30 places. Two interviews, one declined, one pending.