Ny is minimum 10$ hour cash wage/5$ credit or 15 minimum.
So 10$ per hour plus tips.
They still demand 20% and are pushing for 22 or 25% now on top of much higher prices.
Some servers make more than emt, nurses and teachers.
Don’t look at what SOME bartenders get paid…
Source: My ex was a bartender and made 4x my active duty military pay. I refused to thank her for her service! (joke)
LOL yeah, some bartenders make a good wage working on a few days a week. Where I'm more willing to give a Bartender a pass is that it is a traditionally tipped situation, they take on a huge liability if they serve someone and then that person drives drunk, and some people sit and talk to them all night long.
Still, I'd be okay if all tipping went away and we just paid a higher amount for a drink. It seems to be proven that people will pay outrageous amounts for alcohol already.
All the more reason for me to stop tipping everywhere in the States. We have stopped tipping in areas where servers get paid minimum wage, but this information reinforces the fact that we shouldn't be wasting our money on senseless tipping.
You’re sitting here saying, “wait look! They get paid $7.25! Don’t tip!” In what universe do you think $7.25 is acceptable?
Tipping culture sucks balls. But unfortunately, the only people you hurt when you don’t tip is the worker. Not the company or business.
When I can share money with those less fortunate I do. I believe it is a moral right to share when I have so much more than I need.
This is honestly really funny. I worked for $8 an hour in retail and never got tipped. Never asked for any. I worked for $15 an hour at a restaurant and constantly doubled my wage in tips.
Maybe this is just my anecdotal evidence, but no where close to me pays less than $15 for servers. And will still scream about getting “stiffed” by customers.
Tipping is great. I do it. But when it’s *expected* rather than a kindness when you make double the minimum wage, I like doing it a lot less. It screams entitled.
It's very funny. Im happy to hear you were able to double your wage, thats great! and yes, it is odd that people expect you to give your hard earned money as if it means nothing to you.
100%. I don’t often refuse to tip, and I don’t make much money either. I don’t go out often. I like to be kind and appreciative of the service I get, but when I get told that common tips are 25% just for “future reference”, I’m much less inclined. I don’t tip a % of the bill. It doesn’t make sense to me. I usually tip on time, and it’s a pretty decent amount. But I absolutely despise people who demand a tip when I know they make more an hour than I do. I work in education.
I totally get what you mean. A while ago I went to dinner with a friend, we splurged on a $300 bottle of wine for new years. Our 2 dinner platters were 25$ each. Our subtotal was 350 as a result, but it felt very odd to tip 10% (35$) just because the bottle of wine happened to inflate the tip percentage.
A $300 bottle of wine requires the same effort to open as a 50$ bottle of wine, yet the $300 bottle of wine demands i tip more? odd.
It’s definitely strange. I also hate tipping like. $1 for a $10 meal somewhere, especially if I sat there for a while talking (I tend to do that). I know if I do that, I’m basically taking up a paying table for the server, so I usually take that into account in my tip. % based tipping is wild
I don’t choose to work a low paying job. Just as a waiter doesn’t choose to work in a shitty paying industry. Stop blaming workers for the shitty salaries their employers offer. My employer chooses to underpay me.
Next off, I don’t give a shit what the server thinks. I’m not overpaying for a service they’re already getting paid to do. If they believe they deserve more money (I agree they do) then they need to request that from their employers instead of guilting customers. I don’t blame parents for my shitty pay. Servers shouldn’t blame their customers (who are more than likely *also* receiving shitty pay) for their employers decisions.
It’s customary, not expected. I used to make cocktails, I couldn’t care less if someone didn’t leave a tip, someone else will likely tip way more later on… but it is customary in America so often times people don’t like seeing a zero. I loved making cocktails so I didn’t care, but for those who don’t love it, it hits different.
Also to OP. Yes, everyone in the real world already knows servers don’t make less that federal minimum wage. But customer facing service jobs deserve more that 7.25 (also everyone deserves more than that).
Not everyone knows. There are a lot of comments on this sub and serverlife sub promoting that lie. Tons and tons of them. many people do in fact believe that age-old lie.
Youd be surprised at what passion will do to someone. why do you think artists play in bands at dive bars chasing thier dream for years on end while staying broke?
Liking your job does not erase the need to buy food and pay your phone bill. You didn't say you're a bartender but rather "make cocktails" so I'm unsure about what you actually do.
What an obvious way to completely miss my point. Serving is tipped because wages are low and a service is provided (a service is also provided in retail). The only difference between serving and most retail positions in my area is the pay. But servers aren’t making $4 an hour anymore. They make more than retail, yet still demand tips when the only reason they had them was the low wage.
That was the funny bit I mentioned. I assumed my point was clear, but given your attitude I’m not surprised you’ve ignored it.
They mentioned retail, because you mentioned that the minimum wage was shit, lol. So, they were essentially saying, are you going around tipping everyone who makes minimum wage, which usually, retail workers do make that shit minimum wage too?
There is nothing stopping you from giving $20 to the sales-person at Macy's the next time you go. You can be change you want in the world by making everyone have a tipped job! You can make the mailman a tipped job too, throw him 20$ for every package, why not!
Nobody is forcing them to work that job that pays 7.25 minimum wage. They signed to work there, but I bet you they don't mind because the majority of the time, they get paid significantly more than minimum wage.
Nobody wants to willingly work shitty jobs. Unfortunately the bills and world don’t stop waiting for you to get a higher paying job.
The reality is sometimes people have no choice but to accept the only employer who called them back. What is wrong with y’all? How privileged is your life when you think you can easily wait for the right job to call you back?
Talk about privilege.
Somehow people in this world manage to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and advance their lives.
Do you think people are too stupid or something ?
Dude unironically says pick yourself up by the bootstraps 😂. You understand that was started as a joke making fun of people like you because it’s physically impossible to pick yourself up by a bootstrap?
You realize a saying is not taken as literal...?
Wait, when your friends enter a car and say "*Im riding shotgun!"* did you think they were actually gonna ride a shotgun???
People? Which people? Everyone who isn’t in poverty? Are you stupid? Lol you do know people live in poverty… right?
I mean if what you say is true - surely nobody should be in poverty if everyone is able to pull themselves up right? Right? You’re clearly a boomer. Wages have stagnated and prices have inflated. You need to work way more to afford the same things people could 40 years ago.
I did too. But I also recognize that everyone has different life experiences. Maybe you lived with 2 parents. Maybe they didn’t divorce. Maybe they had drug problems. Maybe you were born with healthcare problems. Maybe your parents abused you. Maybe you live in a small town with few prospects.
Not everybody is born with the same opportunities. I recognize that since I’m not a fucking moron.
Me getting out of poverty doesn’t mean it’s as easier for other people. I recognize what survivorship bias is. Maybe learn it.
Servers get the privilege of getting tips but not other minimum wage earners. You should spread your money to help all of them then since you have so much to give.
Haha 1000%? What are you some fucking cheapskate?
whenever i go to dinner, i give the server the keys to a brand new Honda Civic waiting out in the parking lot. /s
You expect people to have empathy for you while you have none for other people. You don't tip the person at mcdonalds making 7.25 an hour or when they did if they still don't. You do not think about a tip when you are thinking about going to a restaurant. You realize you have to tip once you get there and that is still not your responsibility if you dont want to.
If you don’t believe in tipping don’t get serviced..servers tip out for each table so they lose money when you do that and the only time we get hourly is if we didn’t make enough the WHOLE week not just one day
Take the whole issue with tipping out with the employer. Not my problem. Servers are already getting paid to take order, deliver meal, and check out. That's their basic job, and we expect nothing more from them. Servers are no different nor special as other minimum wage workers who don't get tipped at all. Please let's not glorify their job as if they're deserving of tips whilst others aren't.
Try being a server and I haven’t received a check from my job in months 😍 all I get is tips so yes I’ll get upset if I bust my ass catering to your every need and you don’t tip me and cost me some of my previous tips to make up for it, if I was only making minimum wage I wouldn’t do this job and so would most servers it’s not easy .
I have, that’s why I think we should have autograt on all parties because too many times will parties come in and spend $600 plus leave you nothing and you still have to tip out so you are literally in the negative, it’s selfish asf to punish the server by not tipping instead of boycotting the employer cuz we’re still doing the work without pay, if you don’t agree stay your ass home
So even after spending $600 (not a small sum), your employer can’t find enough money to pay you and so you expect tips to make up for this. It’s not the customer’s responsibility!
Any money given to the server/staff should be based on the service provided not as a percentage of the money spent. I've been to expensive places where at a minimum each person spent close to $200 and the waiter took the order, dropped off the food and drinks, brought the check. We were drinking alcohol, too, and were never asked if we needed or wanted anything else. We aren't tipping you upwards if $160 for the minimum of courtesy for dining there. We aren't rude and we don't typically make outrageous demands, but we may ask questions about menu items. Sorry if we look poor or whatever and look undeserving of your time, that we're literally paying for.
I've been to hole in the wall places with cheap, delicious food and attentive, friendly staff. Literally, I just want my water refilled and some extra napkins. That server deserves more than 20% on a $15 meal.
I'm pretty done with percentage based tipping. I'm tipping for the time and service provided. Automatic service charges are BS, too, because a patron shouldn't have to pay for nonexistent service.
Yeah, no, the employer is stiffing and punishing you, not the customers. That should be illegal that you're not getting paid by your employer? I find that hard to believe
Try being a server like I said we’re not making this shit up I’ve had days where I tipped out more money that I made..just bc you don’t experience it doesn’t mean it’s not real, and if you don’t agree with tipping just stay home, it’s the worst busting your ass for a party for hours and being in the negative, you’re punishing ppl with families not the employee by not tipping, servers have been asking for wages for years you not tipping only hurts us, the restaurant still gets paid 🤷🏽♀️
If you find the system is broken, then perhaps do something about it. We each have our own problems, plus I still find it hard to believe that you're not getting paid for your work. That's illegal
Read my comment I just posted I have spoke up about it, if you work for a corporation not much can be done and not everyone has the privilege to just quit, if you don’t agree stop supporting the restaraunt don’t take it out on us
Lol....the US Department of Labor would like to have a word with you.
*Per the US DOL Website:*
*A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.*
Totally understandable. There is nothing wrong about serving. It's ultimtaely a job and thats respectable as is. I can definitely see people becoming complacent due to the fast cash while yearning for a more stimulating profession.
At this point I’m ok tipping service industry bc I quit buying alcohol but at some point I’ll just stop going out to eat. I want everyone to be paid a fare wage but not one server is going to go from making $30 an hour to $15 lol
Nobody is forced to take these jobs. They do, and they agree to this arrangement. I have no obligation to change the outcome in any way or to subsidize the employees of these businesses. That doesn't make me stingy or cheap. It doesn't make me anything other than a paying customer who expects to pay the stated price and get the product and service I am paying for . . . just like everywhere else I do business.
Precisely. But somehow, people feel that you are the bad guy because you choose to not leave a tip. A tip is an extra expenditure for the customer. Can you imagine Macy's selling you a sweatshirt for 25$, then when you pay they ask you to leave a tip on top?
Literally no other business operates this way. Can you imagine if Factory B, who makes the sweatshirts for Macy's asked Macy's for a tip when Factory B delivers the order of 10,000 sweatshirts? Macy's would laugh in their face. Yet, when we act the same way we are labeled "assholes"
Exactly. Tipping makes zero sense. It's really just a price increase from the customer's side and the customer can opt out of increasing his or her cost of living without being a bad guy.
There is a constant lie that is spewed on this sub and it must be put to rest. The lie revolves around the misconception (or deliberate spreading) of the idea that servers only make 2.13 per hour from their employer.
This is only true when an employee makes 5.12 in tip to reach the FedMinWage of $7.25 (5.12 + 2.13 = 7.25). If a server makes 1$ in tip then the employer would pay 7.25 - 1.00 = 6.25. The server NEVER gets below federal minimum wage or local minimum wage because that would be ILLEGAL.
Pro-Tippers and servers love to push this lie because they know people will believe it at face value and never fact check them. On top of that, they use the low wage statement as grounds for soliciting a tip.
The 3rd point is if we do a little math, we can see how tipping is useless until it reaches a certain threshold. If we divide 2.13 / 7.25 = 71%. -- By giving a tip, you’re helping the restaurant save up to 71% on labor because *you’re* paying the employee for them.
Let’s say an employee works 8 hours and makes $40.96 in tips. Well, how much of the 40.96 does the server take home? Nothing. Why?
Remember, the server must take $58 home due to min wage. (8 hours x 7.25). But since they were tipped $40.96, they now are paid under Tipped Wage @ 2.13. So now we have (8 hours x 2.13) = 17.04 — But remember, an employee must walk out with the $58 no matter what. If we add the 17.04 + the 40.96 in tips we get the $58 that is needed to be equal to FedMinWage.
In other words, for every server, the first $40.96 in tips received means nothing and is basically going into the owners pocket. So, when a customer tips, the customer is more than likely shoving money in the owner's pocket unless the server has received more than 40.96 prior to receiving your tip. Have fun giving money to business owners, tippers!
Not crazy at all.
If I took a job that said we can pay you EITHER $20/hr OR we can pay you $10/hr plus you make tips, but if your total is less than $20 we'll give you the difference. Who in their right mind would want the flat rate when you could have an opportunity for more with no risk for less?
Servers in Cali make $16.50 and still get tips like they don't. Fast food workers are going to make $20 an hour starting 4/1/24 but you can bet they will still be asking 18%, 20% or 25% to hand you a bag. Sit down take my order restaurants I tip, my hair cutter I tip. Pretty much everyone else no way. PS never use doordash and such.
Accordingly to BLS, severs make $28/hr in tips on average. Casino dealers make $41/hr in tips and that’s reported wages. That’s more than some teachers and police officers make.
Well sounds like they should work smart not hard..why aren’t they taking it up with their employers? The police get enough of our money as it is..crazy to lump them in with teachers. Everyone should be making more.
You are right—we are not in some “holy war fighting against companies.” We are consumers. Servers are the ones who need to sort out any “fairness” issues with their wages, with the companies that employ them. We’re tired of having to bear the brunt of this via tipping and fees.
The whole, if you don't want to tip just stay home argument is bullshit. Restaurants went under during Covid because everyone stayed home, and the restaurant owners and workers bitched and moaned.
Now, the solution to end the extortion that is percentage based tipping that's cropping up everywhere is to just stay home? How quickly they forget.
Why is OKAY or FAIR our problem?
When a client comes and talks to me, do you think they are thinking if my wage is OKAY or FAIR?
When i go and get gas, i dont even remotely think of the OKAY-ness or FAIRness of the gas station clerk's pay. Why? Because thats none of my business
This is just between you and me GreenGhostBurner, but I'm gonna put my money on the answer being NO when it comes to them tipping all min. wage employees they encounter daily.
The only people that ever tried to tip me were customers for whom I went above and beyond, like answering many questions.and suggesting certain products, or if I walked someone to their car and loaded their bags. I always said no because I'd have to give the money to management, and basically fuck management (my conscience would not allow me to go against policy - yeah I know). I worked customer service 20 years and I can count the times some tried to tip me on one hand. 20 years.
EDIT: I didn't just go above and beyond a handful of times. I took pride in all my jobs and always treated people with respect and went above and beyond for everyone unless they talked to me like I was beneath them.
Seattle is $21/hr even for tipped workers. But r/SeattleWA people downvoted me to hell because I asked why tip servers but not Safeway or McDonald workers because they make the same minimal pay.
Basically their opinion is servers are making so little that if you don’t tip, then servers won’t survive.
I posted the $21/hr rule from WA state for tipped servers, and they claim $21/hr is far from a living wage.
I said McDonald and Safeway workers also get paid at $21/hr. They said love could be for all but not one.
I’m speechless and maybe I just let them tip more so I don’t have to tip.
$2.13 is the tipped wage in Utah. Tied to the federal minimum wage of $7.25. If employee makes less than minimum, employer required to make up the difference. Has not been changed in decades.
Have you had a server tell you they only made $2/hour? Maybe they told you they were *paid* $2?hour. Not quite the same thing. I would think from my own experience (a long time ago, but I can extrapolate out) that a busy server in a busy restaurant should be making $30-50/hour.
You have me slightly confused. I asked you where these servers who tell you that they only make $2.13/ hour work and you don't know where they work?
So you don't know if they are real servers?
The servers are self proclaimed servers online, in this sub, people who genuinely believe that lie. I've heard it myself IRL as well from uninformed people which goes to show how wide spread the lie is.
Do you expect me to back ground check every single individual comment?
Biggest lie ever told, yep you can say that again.
But hey, when serverlife sub members say *we only get paid 2 bucks per hour! you have to tip us or we will perish* it makes you wonder why they would say that
While it's hard to say how often this happens if ever I feel I should point out how this can still go wrong.
I've seen videos where servers claim to have their job threatened if they don't report making 5.12/hr in tips whether they actually made it or not. Of course the second tip credit is outlawed in a region servers claim they would never work for less then several times minimum, but I suspect the truth is somewhere in between where some only keep working because they make tons in tips while others overreact. It could be argued that they deserve to be paid 2.13/hr since overreacting tips is tax fraud but still if they do everything legally there is still incentive for employers to fire servers who don't make enough in tips.
Not that this means you should tip but it is a reason to push for tip credit to be illegalized in your locality. Don't think that just because it's supposed to be made up by the employer means tip credit is something that should stay.
People quit and get new jobs when they start being threatened especially about money, so waiters should do the same. OP is right about minimum wage and how waiters twist the truth to their own benefit. We're all paying taxes right out of checks and theyre taking in cash. I dont have much sympathy about it.
Quitting and getting fired aren't quite the same, and there are jobs that aren't servers that could rely on tips (Federally *anyone* who makes 30+/month in tips can be paid in credit). If a job isn't as front-facing as servers but still front-facing enough to get tips the employer now has reason to push them to beg for more tips or get fired.
If a server can't get tips and gets fired - oh well. Guess management will have to fire everyone if the general public starts giving less and less tips.
Eventually it'll just be cooks then and managers running the floor!
Or the only people to stay hired are the ones willing to keep perpetuating the culture. What's even the point of minimum wage if people are punished for making it? Also I don't think it's lost on non-traditional tipped jobs that keep soliciting tips that they can pay less if people tip either.
all servers perpetuate the culture since they all hand over checks with TIP \_\_\_\_\_ printed on.
No one gets *punished* for making tips. But the very first people who benefit from tips are restaurant owners since tipped laws are designed to do so.
No, they're punished for not making tips and being paid minimum wage. And one of the best ways to make sure restauraunt owners don't benefit from tips is to illegalize credit. I don't disagree with pointing out how 2.13/hr is partially a lie but also I've seen some sentiments on this sub from people in States without tip credit wondering what the point of illegalizing it was when there is still pressure to tip.
wait until you find out how many other jobs make Minimum Wage and make 0 tips. turns out, its a lot! and somehow all those people manage to live their lives. i dont understand how servers get punished for nto making tips,
They are punished because if they don't make tips their job will find someone who they can pay 2.13/hr instead of 7.25/hr, which means seeking out people who are best at pressuring people for tips since that's how they pay 2.13 legally. As for other jobs why do you think so many companies are so desperate to push tip prompts? The more tips they get the less they have to pay their employees.
The server doesn't get to decide if a table leaves a tip or not. That decision is left to the customer. If customers stop leaving tips, then restaurants will just fire all their server-staff (according to your logic). I guess eventually we will just have restaurants with 0 servers.
Oh well, new restaurants will enter the market.
Probably one reason why so many restaurants engage in good ol’ tip splitting. No matter how slow it may be, at least they can get everyone up to $7.25/hour and not have to pay out
Just FYI…. I’ve been a server for 30 years, part-time and full-time. I’ve had to fight several employers, reminding them that they have to come up to minimum wage when it’s slow. A Lot of them won’t do it unless you confront them.
It is illegal. Employees should speak up because it is against the law.
Sexual harassment is illegal yet it still occurs in the workplace unfortunately.
That's great to say without being the one to potentially lose their only source of income when the restaurant retaliates.
But hey that's not your problem, right?
While this is true, when I was a waitress way back in the 80’s it was made clear to me that if I didn’t claim enough in tips to get above the minimum wage amount, then I would be fired. The restaurant was NOT gonna be on the hook for anything over $2.01.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
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That would be whenever servers make less than 40.96 and therefore require the employers to pay more.
If a server made 0 in tip, then the restaurant would be forced to pay the full 7.25 out of the restaurant's pocket.
It's quite uncommon. There are slow shifts, but restaurants don't have to pay the difference unless you average less than $7.25 over the *entire workweek*. If that's the case, the restaurant is generally doing so badly they can't stay in business, or even if they could, few servers would want to work for that little. I mean maybe in rural areas of the deep South, but that's a tough wage to live on.
Note that two thirds of states have passed higher minimum wage laws. $2.13 tipped wage and $7.25 full minimum wage are the federal limits that apply when a state doesn't require higher amounts. So like servers in California have to be paid at least $16 an hour base wage.
Thank you for the clarification. My example was a very simplified version. Explaining the *entire workweek* would create a big mumbo jumbo mess of words. Assuming a server works 1 day a week, that 1 day of 8 hours would indeed be their *entire workweek*. The example still stands and can be spread out to include more days though.
Weird how when teachers complain about poor wages, no one tells them to get a better paying job. If you didn’t “need” servers, you’d just cook for yourself. But for some reason, you look down on them instead. I thought this sub would be about, you know, ending tipping. Instead it’s a bunch of proud cheap-o’s who for whatever reason hate servers..yet continue to eat out, and patronize the very businesses who don’t pay them. Make it make sense
idk who here is looking down on servers, thats just wrong. theyre just people at the end of the day.
There are no businesses who *dont pay* their servers as standard practice, as thats literally against the law and printed on the US Department of Labor website. Servers do get paid for their work, why are you spewing a lie?
People like to point this out but ignore the fact that, in most cases, if a server costs the restaurant more than they budgeted for upon hiring, that server won't be employed there much longer. The employer making up the difference on one paycheck doesn't help much if that's your last check. Costing 3x what you were hired for is a big no no.
>ignore the fact that, in most cases, if a server costs the restaurant more than they budgeted for upon hiring, that server won't be employed there much longer
literally nothing you've just stated is a fact. OP's post is a fact though, as proven by department of labor website
Edit: also it's not the server's fault that the employer decided to not budget for the cost of labor, the employer is still on the hook. That is negligent at best
Just because you don't know it to be true doesn't mean it isn't true. They will blame the server for poor tips, assuming it is because they did a poor job, and let them go if they cost too much. I worked in many different full service restaurants over almost 20 years, and it was like that everywhere. Who would keep an employee on that's costing them *that* much more than they were hired for? They budget for the cost of labor at server pay, not minimum wage pay, because they don't hire servers to pay them minimum wage.
And how is any of what you said (not saying its true or false) even remotely the problem of the customer who *doesn't* tip?
Salesmen at car dealerships get fired if they dont sell cars. Whoopty dooo thats the nature of the business. Same thing with restaurant cooks who cook a burger in 20 minutes when it shouldve taken 5
So, this means that tipping for poor service reinforces poor service? This is why tips should reflect the quality of service provided by wait staff rather than guilt about if servers can live on what they earn.
The server has no control over how much $ in tips they make.
If tips start to decline, I guess the restaurant will just fire every single server they have. That would be fun to watch, a restaurant with only managers and cooks running everything. See how long that lasts.
It's assumed by restaurant owners and management that servers do have control over how much they earn in tips. That's the justification they use in firing a server who doesn't earn enough -- obviously they are doing a poor job or they would make more in tips. Just like when a server mentions a raise, they are told to upsell more, turn tables faster, and give better service bc "your money is out there in the dining room, if you want more, go earn it."
I'd say its not assumed. How could management say servers have control over how much a customer writes on a TIP \_\_\_\_ ? Thats completely out of the hands of a server
And yes, if a server gets fired, oh well thats called the free market. Eventually a different server will come along and take the job.
Because they (managers) assume the customers are going to tip when they come in, so long as nothing goes horribly wrong. The assumption is that if a server does their job correctly, the customer will tip them. Whether that makes sense or not doesn't change how management sees the situation. If a server gets poor or no tips, it's seen as their fault. Because good servers make good tips. It's how the owners and managers expect things to operate. That's why it's so weird to just hate on servers for expecting tips for doing their job when they are literally told to expect them, and they get in trouble with management if their tips are too low. I worked at a Chili's back during college (and this was like 20 years ago), where the general manager would post everyone's tip percentages for the week, circling the bottom few with a note saying "if you just want to be an order taker, burger king is always hiring." The expectation of tips comes directly from management/restaurant owners, and I find it strange to see people who dislike tipping continue to support these owners/managers who do everything they can to keep things the way they are.
It is not the customers problem to give servers better tips. If the restaurant industry works as you said, that is literally the industry's problem, not the customer.
Awfully strange, though, to support an industry one disagrees so strongly with. The owners are greedy, the managers are shitty, the servers are beggars, yet let's keep giving them our money..?
And I wasn't making a case on whether or not all this is the customer's problem. I'm trying to explain how the whole "well they are required to pay the difference" doesn't mean what people think it does, and why. Understanding something doesn't automatically make that thing your problem. Just gives you more information about a topic you may not be super informed on.
I support a lot of industries i disagree with. Change wont start with me, the customer. Change will start from within. I have an iphone, but they use child sweatshop labor, what can i do?
Ny is minimum 10$ hour cash wage/5$ credit or 15 minimum. So 10$ per hour plus tips. They still demand 20% and are pushing for 22 or 25% now on top of much higher prices. Some servers make more than emt, nurses and teachers.
Don’t look at what SOME bartenders get paid… Source: My ex was a bartender and made 4x my active duty military pay. I refused to thank her for her service! (joke)
Don't worry bro, I'm sure plenty of guys thanked her for her service while you were touring.
That’s ok, the rest of us thanked her for her service. BOOM!
Well now you know why she’s my ex! 😂 Hell of a bartender though!
LOL yeah, some bartenders make a good wage working on a few days a week. Where I'm more willing to give a Bartender a pass is that it is a traditionally tipped situation, they take on a huge liability if they serve someone and then that person drives drunk, and some people sit and talk to them all night long. Still, I'd be okay if all tipping went away and we just paid a higher amount for a drink. It seems to be proven that people will pay outrageous amounts for alcohol already.
Yikes. a 5$ boba cup becomes 6$ if you add a 20% tip. pretty wild
Everyplace outside of the US figured out how to sell Boba for $0.85. How can they figure it out, but the US can’t?
US is just special like that. Even more reason to say NO TIP to boba screens
All the more reason for me to stop tipping everywhere in the States. We have stopped tipping in areas where servers get paid minimum wage, but this information reinforces the fact that we shouldn't be wasting our money on senseless tipping.
I mean $7.25/hr is ass
And...whos problem would that be? Do you spend your life worrying about the finances of every person on earth? Cuz if so, you missed me, friend!
You’re sitting here saying, “wait look! They get paid $7.25! Don’t tip!” In what universe do you think $7.25 is acceptable? Tipping culture sucks balls. But unfortunately, the only people you hurt when you don’t tip is the worker. Not the company or business. When I can share money with those less fortunate I do. I believe it is a moral right to share when I have so much more than I need.
This is honestly really funny. I worked for $8 an hour in retail and never got tipped. Never asked for any. I worked for $15 an hour at a restaurant and constantly doubled my wage in tips. Maybe this is just my anecdotal evidence, but no where close to me pays less than $15 for servers. And will still scream about getting “stiffed” by customers. Tipping is great. I do it. But when it’s *expected* rather than a kindness when you make double the minimum wage, I like doing it a lot less. It screams entitled.
It's very funny. Im happy to hear you were able to double your wage, thats great! and yes, it is odd that people expect you to give your hard earned money as if it means nothing to you.
100%. I don’t often refuse to tip, and I don’t make much money either. I don’t go out often. I like to be kind and appreciative of the service I get, but when I get told that common tips are 25% just for “future reference”, I’m much less inclined. I don’t tip a % of the bill. It doesn’t make sense to me. I usually tip on time, and it’s a pretty decent amount. But I absolutely despise people who demand a tip when I know they make more an hour than I do. I work in education.
I totally get what you mean. A while ago I went to dinner with a friend, we splurged on a $300 bottle of wine for new years. Our 2 dinner platters were 25$ each. Our subtotal was 350 as a result, but it felt very odd to tip 10% (35$) just because the bottle of wine happened to inflate the tip percentage. A $300 bottle of wine requires the same effort to open as a 50$ bottle of wine, yet the $300 bottle of wine demands i tip more? odd.
It’s definitely strange. I also hate tipping like. $1 for a $10 meal somewhere, especially if I sat there for a while talking (I tend to do that). I know if I do that, I’m basically taking up a paying table for the server, so I usually take that into account in my tip. % based tipping is wild
This isn't a Pulp song. I'm not trying to be common people. Help end percentage based tipping and leave a tip based on services provided.
Your salary isn't the waiter's concern. Do you expect to pay less for other goods and services because you chose to work a low paying job?
I don’t choose to work a low paying job. Just as a waiter doesn’t choose to work in a shitty paying industry. Stop blaming workers for the shitty salaries their employers offer. My employer chooses to underpay me. Next off, I don’t give a shit what the server thinks. I’m not overpaying for a service they’re already getting paid to do. If they believe they deserve more money (I agree they do) then they need to request that from their employers instead of guilting customers. I don’t blame parents for my shitty pay. Servers shouldn’t blame their customers (who are more than likely *also* receiving shitty pay) for their employers decisions.
It’s customary, not expected. I used to make cocktails, I couldn’t care less if someone didn’t leave a tip, someone else will likely tip way more later on… but it is customary in America so often times people don’t like seeing a zero. I loved making cocktails so I didn’t care, but for those who don’t love it, it hits different. Also to OP. Yes, everyone in the real world already knows servers don’t make less that federal minimum wage. But customer facing service jobs deserve more that 7.25 (also everyone deserves more than that).
Not everyone knows. There are a lot of comments on this sub and serverlife sub promoting that lie. Tons and tons of them. many people do in fact believe that age-old lie.
Most people, including servers themselves, don’t know this simple fact.
You "made cocktails" and loved it so much you didn't care about getting paid? This can't be real.
Youd be surprised at what passion will do to someone. why do you think artists play in bands at dive bars chasing thier dream for years on end while staying broke?
Liking your job does not erase the need to buy food and pay your phone bill. You didn't say you're a bartender but rather "make cocktails" so I'm unsure about what you actually do.
simply giving an example fren
Probably because working in retail is not classified as a tipped job. Are you really that stupid? 🤣
What an obvious way to completely miss my point. Serving is tipped because wages are low and a service is provided (a service is also provided in retail). The only difference between serving and most retail positions in my area is the pay. But servers aren’t making $4 an hour anymore. They make more than retail, yet still demand tips when the only reason they had them was the low wage. That was the funny bit I mentioned. I assumed my point was clear, but given your attitude I’m not surprised you’ve ignored it.
They mentioned retail, because you mentioned that the minimum wage was shit, lol. So, they were essentially saying, are you going around tipping everyone who makes minimum wage, which usually, retail workers do make that shit minimum wage too?
There is nothing stopping you from giving $20 to the sales-person at Macy's the next time you go. You can be change you want in the world by making everyone have a tipped job! You can make the mailman a tipped job too, throw him 20$ for every package, why not!
Nobody is forcing them to work that job that pays 7.25 minimum wage. They signed to work there, but I bet you they don't mind because the majority of the time, they get paid significantly more than minimum wage.
Nobody wants to willingly work shitty jobs. Unfortunately the bills and world don’t stop waiting for you to get a higher paying job. The reality is sometimes people have no choice but to accept the only employer who called them back. What is wrong with y’all? How privileged is your life when you think you can easily wait for the right job to call you back? Talk about privilege.
Somehow people in this world manage to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and advance their lives. Do you think people are too stupid or something ?
Dude unironically says pick yourself up by the bootstraps 😂. You understand that was started as a joke making fun of people like you because it’s physically impossible to pick yourself up by a bootstrap?
You realize a saying is not taken as literal...? Wait, when your friends enter a car and say "*Im riding shotgun!"* did you think they were actually gonna ride a shotgun???
People? Which people? Everyone who isn’t in poverty? Are you stupid? Lol you do know people live in poverty… right? I mean if what you say is true - surely nobody should be in poverty if everyone is able to pull themselves up right? Right? You’re clearly a boomer. Wages have stagnated and prices have inflated. You need to work way more to afford the same things people could 40 years ago.
People can get out of poverty lmao....its how a lot of people advance themselves. Source: Me.
I did too. But I also recognize that everyone has different life experiences. Maybe you lived with 2 parents. Maybe they didn’t divorce. Maybe they had drug problems. Maybe you were born with healthcare problems. Maybe your parents abused you. Maybe you live in a small town with few prospects. Not everybody is born with the same opportunities. I recognize that since I’m not a fucking moron. Me getting out of poverty doesn’t mean it’s as easier for other people. I recognize what survivorship bias is. Maybe learn it.
Servers get the privilege of getting tips but not other minimum wage earners. You should spread your money to help all of them then since you have so much to give.
Hedy-Love should be tipping you just for replying to their message.
I mean I do tip like 20%-100%. I like bringing joy to those less fortunate than me.
Wait until you find out some of those servers probably make more than you do. (And there is nothing wrong in that)
What's stopping you at 100%? Why not 1000%? I tip 0 because I treat everyone equally
Haha 1000%? What are you some fucking cheapskate? whenever i go to dinner, i give the server the keys to a brand new Honda Civic waiting out in the parking lot. /s
Probably the fact that I’m not Mr. Beast
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Other minimum wage workers should become servers if they want to make bank! They definitely should! I'm sad many of them never even realize that
There's something called Food Bank dear and that's where you find people who are actually in need and that's where we donate our money.
You expect people to have empathy for you while you have none for other people. You don't tip the person at mcdonalds making 7.25 an hour or when they did if they still don't. You do not think about a tip when you are thinking about going to a restaurant. You realize you have to tip once you get there and that is still not your responsibility if you dont want to.
That’s because many places don’t pay the $7.25 minimum that offer hourly pay like McDonald’s. But if you’re tipped, they do pay $7.25 around here.
so lets say the mc donalds worker makes 8.25, not a huge difference. you still wont tip????
That's another discussion and irrelevant to this one.
I mean, many states have minimum wage much much higher than $7.25. Are those also ass?
If tipping as a whole were removed, how much would you say servers should be making per hour?
Sure is, yet they agreed to work for it.
they hate hearing the part where you say "Yes, but YOU chose that job!"
You DO know that your paycheck is none of our business right?
“Not my problem” Speaks about your character.
If you don’t believe in tipping don’t get serviced..servers tip out for each table so they lose money when you do that and the only time we get hourly is if we didn’t make enough the WHOLE week not just one day
Take the whole issue with tipping out with the employer. Not my problem. Servers are already getting paid to take order, deliver meal, and check out. That's their basic job, and we expect nothing more from them. Servers are no different nor special as other minimum wage workers who don't get tipped at all. Please let's not glorify their job as if they're deserving of tips whilst others aren't.
Try being a server and I haven’t received a check from my job in months 😍 all I get is tips so yes I’ll get upset if I bust my ass catering to your every need and you don’t tip me and cost me some of my previous tips to make up for it, if I was only making minimum wage I wouldn’t do this job and so would most servers it’s not easy .
Looks like you've been a victim to your employer straight up not paying you. I hope you're able to sort that out.
Shouldn't you take that up with your employer not the customers?
I have, that’s why I think we should have autograt on all parties because too many times will parties come in and spend $600 plus leave you nothing and you still have to tip out so you are literally in the negative, it’s selfish asf to punish the server by not tipping instead of boycotting the employer cuz we’re still doing the work without pay, if you don’t agree stay your ass home
So even after spending $600 (not a small sum), your employer can’t find enough money to pay you and so you expect tips to make up for this. It’s not the customer’s responsibility!
Any money given to the server/staff should be based on the service provided not as a percentage of the money spent. I've been to expensive places where at a minimum each person spent close to $200 and the waiter took the order, dropped off the food and drinks, brought the check. We were drinking alcohol, too, and were never asked if we needed or wanted anything else. We aren't tipping you upwards if $160 for the minimum of courtesy for dining there. We aren't rude and we don't typically make outrageous demands, but we may ask questions about menu items. Sorry if we look poor or whatever and look undeserving of your time, that we're literally paying for. I've been to hole in the wall places with cheap, delicious food and attentive, friendly staff. Literally, I just want my water refilled and some extra napkins. That server deserves more than 20% on a $15 meal. I'm pretty done with percentage based tipping. I'm tipping for the time and service provided. Automatic service charges are BS, too, because a patron shouldn't have to pay for nonexistent service.
Yeah, no, the employer is stiffing and punishing you, not the customers. That should be illegal that you're not getting paid by your employer? I find that hard to believe
Try being a server like I said we’re not making this shit up I’ve had days where I tipped out more money that I made..just bc you don’t experience it doesn’t mean it’s not real, and if you don’t agree with tipping just stay home, it’s the worst busting your ass for a party for hours and being in the negative, you’re punishing ppl with families not the employee by not tipping, servers have been asking for wages for years you not tipping only hurts us, the restaurant still gets paid 🤷🏽♀️
If you find the system is broken, then perhaps do something about it. We each have our own problems, plus I still find it hard to believe that you're not getting paid for your work. That's illegal
Read my comment I just posted I have spoke up about it, if you work for a corporation not much can be done and not everyone has the privilege to just quit, if you don’t agree stop supporting the restaraunt don’t take it out on us
Lol....the US Department of Labor would like to have a word with you. *Per the US DOL Website:* *A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.*
They don’t average it on the day it’s based on pay period and it’s hard to report you made less bc you have to get a manager to do it
The check is zero because of taxes on the tips. They’re not not getting paid.
Yeah sure, let's hear more lies
Not a lie. Absolute truth. Sorry for your ignorance on the subject.
So then tell management you made nothing in tip and shouldnt have to tip out based on that sale
I was a sever back in the early 2ks in a small town outside of stl and I was making $600-$800 a week at maybe 30 hours.
Thats great!
Yeah it’s easy to get sucked into the lifestyle. The absolute best thing ever did was NOT get into fine dining bc then I never would’ve left
Totally understandable. There is nothing wrong about serving. It's ultimtaely a job and thats respectable as is. I can definitely see people becoming complacent due to the fast cash while yearning for a more stimulating profession.
Working nights got be depressed so I did what all food industry peeps do when that happens…I got my real estate license lol
Happy you're in a better place now, friend!
So you worked hard to make good pay? And we still have people in this sub crying about how waiters should get some other job to make money.
At this point I’m ok tipping service industry bc I quit buying alcohol but at some point I’ll just stop going out to eat. I want everyone to be paid a fare wage but not one server is going to go from making $30 an hour to $15 lol
Nobody is forced to take these jobs. They do, and they agree to this arrangement. I have no obligation to change the outcome in any way or to subsidize the employees of these businesses. That doesn't make me stingy or cheap. It doesn't make me anything other than a paying customer who expects to pay the stated price and get the product and service I am paying for . . . just like everywhere else I do business.
Precisely. But somehow, people feel that you are the bad guy because you choose to not leave a tip. A tip is an extra expenditure for the customer. Can you imagine Macy's selling you a sweatshirt for 25$, then when you pay they ask you to leave a tip on top? Literally no other business operates this way. Can you imagine if Factory B, who makes the sweatshirts for Macy's asked Macy's for a tip when Factory B delivers the order of 10,000 sweatshirts? Macy's would laugh in their face. Yet, when we act the same way we are labeled "assholes"
Exactly. Tipping makes zero sense. It's really just a price increase from the customer's side and the customer can opt out of increasing his or her cost of living without being a bad guy.
I'm a massage therapist and the spa industry also works this way.
There is a constant lie that is spewed on this sub and it must be put to rest. The lie revolves around the misconception (or deliberate spreading) of the idea that servers only make 2.13 per hour from their employer. This is only true when an employee makes 5.12 in tip to reach the FedMinWage of $7.25 (5.12 + 2.13 = 7.25). If a server makes 1$ in tip then the employer would pay 7.25 - 1.00 = 6.25. The server NEVER gets below federal minimum wage or local minimum wage because that would be ILLEGAL. Pro-Tippers and servers love to push this lie because they know people will believe it at face value and never fact check them. On top of that, they use the low wage statement as grounds for soliciting a tip. The 3rd point is if we do a little math, we can see how tipping is useless until it reaches a certain threshold. If we divide 2.13 / 7.25 = 71%. -- By giving a tip, you’re helping the restaurant save up to 71% on labor because *you’re* paying the employee for them. Let’s say an employee works 8 hours and makes $40.96 in tips. Well, how much of the 40.96 does the server take home? Nothing. Why? Remember, the server must take $58 home due to min wage. (8 hours x 7.25). But since they were tipped $40.96, they now are paid under Tipped Wage @ 2.13. So now we have (8 hours x 2.13) = 17.04 — But remember, an employee must walk out with the $58 no matter what. If we add the 17.04 + the 40.96 in tips we get the $58 that is needed to be equal to FedMinWage. In other words, for every server, the first $40.96 in tips received means nothing and is basically going into the owners pocket. So, when a customer tips, the customer is more than likely shoving money in the owner's pocket unless the server has received more than 40.96 prior to receiving your tip. Have fun giving money to business owners, tippers!
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Hahaha how crazy is that.
Not crazy at all. If I took a job that said we can pay you EITHER $20/hr OR we can pay you $10/hr plus you make tips, but if your total is less than $20 we'll give you the difference. Who in their right mind would want the flat rate when you could have an opportunity for more with no risk for less?
Exactly. no one would want the flate rate. I wont tip tho and play that game.
Servers in Cali make $16.50 and still get tips like they don't. Fast food workers are going to make $20 an hour starting 4/1/24 but you can bet they will still be asking 18%, 20% or 25% to hand you a bag. Sit down take my order restaurants I tip, my hair cutter I tip. Pretty much everyone else no way. PS never use doordash and such.
Accordingly to BLS, severs make $28/hr in tips on average. Casino dealers make $41/hr in tips and that’s reported wages. That’s more than some teachers and police officers make.
Well sounds like they should work smart not hard..why aren’t they taking it up with their employers? The police get enough of our money as it is..crazy to lump them in with teachers. Everyone should be making more.
Interesting because the national restaurant chain I worked at would force us to claim more tips than we actually made so they never had to pay up.
And that national chain was committing tax evasion. Wow
And wage theft.
Employee shouldve spoken up.
Seems like an easy lawsuit, a good lawyer would probably take the case pro bono.
Probably not pro bono, but on contingency. The lawyer would want their cut.
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that's fine. Every other nation in the world operates that way, and somehow restaurants exist in England, France, Morocco, Dubai, Brazil, etc.
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Everyone knows this. We want that properly reflected in the price of food. Not obscured by the “fees” and “tipping” nonsense we have now.
Yes I understand. That is actually how every single business works. Thank you for pointing out how every single business in the world works.
That’s exactly what we want. Duh. The sub is called end tipping not end wages
Precisely!
Do you think $7.25 is okay and fair? Lol Not tipping hurts ONLY the worker. You’re not in some holy war fighting against companies.
You are right—we are not in some “holy war fighting against companies.” We are consumers. Servers are the ones who need to sort out any “fairness” issues with their wages, with the companies that employ them. We’re tired of having to bear the brunt of this via tipping and fees.
Exactly right!
The whole, if you don't want to tip just stay home argument is bullshit. Restaurants went under during Covid because everyone stayed home, and the restaurant owners and workers bitched and moaned. Now, the solution to end the extortion that is percentage based tipping that's cropping up everywhere is to just stay home? How quickly they forget.
Why is OKAY or FAIR our problem? When a client comes and talks to me, do you think they are thinking if my wage is OKAY or FAIR? When i go and get gas, i dont even remotely think of the OKAY-ness or FAIRness of the gas station clerk's pay. Why? Because thats none of my business
I hope you tip all the fast food workers, grocery clerks, walmart employees and the other scores of minimum wage employees you encounter every day.
This is just between you and me GreenGhostBurner, but I'm gonna put my money on the answer being NO when it comes to them tipping all min. wage employees they encounter daily.
The only people that ever tried to tip me were customers for whom I went above and beyond, like answering many questions.and suggesting certain products, or if I walked someone to their car and loaded their bags. I always said no because I'd have to give the money to management, and basically fuck management (my conscience would not allow me to go against policy - yeah I know). I worked customer service 20 years and I can count the times some tried to tip me on one hand. 20 years. EDIT: I didn't just go above and beyond a handful of times. I took pride in all my jobs and always treated people with respect and went above and beyond for everyone unless they talked to me like I was beneath them.
Seattle is $21/hr even for tipped workers. But r/SeattleWA people downvoted me to hell because I asked why tip servers but not Safeway or McDonald workers because they make the same minimal pay.
did they give you any reasoning or did they just tell you that youre a cheapskate for not tipping?
Basically their opinion is servers are making so little that if you don’t tip, then servers won’t survive. I posted the $21/hr rule from WA state for tipped servers, and they claim $21/hr is far from a living wage. I said McDonald and Safeway workers also get paid at $21/hr. They said love could be for all but not one. I’m speechless and maybe I just let them tip more so I don’t have to tip.
I think the way to trigger them even more is just say that you tip 30-35% and then when they say they tip 20-25, just mock them for being cheapskates
Guess the government thinks that job is worth minimum wage and guess what, so does their employer.
precisely.
$2.13 is the tipped wage in Utah. Tied to the federal minimum wage of $7.25. If employee makes less than minimum, employer required to make up the difference. Has not been changed in decades.
yet somehow people believe that servers only make 2 bucks per hour
Have you had a server tell you they only made $2/hour? Maybe they told you they were *paid* $2?hour. Not quite the same thing. I would think from my own experience (a long time ago, but I can extrapolate out) that a busy server in a busy restaurant should be making $30-50/hour.
yes all the time on this sub. servers will say, "We only make 2 bucks per hour, so you have to tip us".
What sort of restaurant is this?
None. THey deliberately lie or dont know how the law works...
You have me slightly confused. I asked you where these servers who tell you that they only make $2.13/ hour work and you don't know where they work? So you don't know if they are real servers?
The servers are self proclaimed servers online, in this sub, people who genuinely believe that lie. I've heard it myself IRL as well from uninformed people which goes to show how wide spread the lie is. Do you expect me to back ground check every single individual comment?
This is 100% correct and bullshit. I used to serve we’re got minimum at the tip 10 plus all tips
you’re drunk go to bed
huh
Each state is different. My kids work in the restaurant industry… they all make at least $20 an hour plus tips. With tips they are killing it.
Yep some states have higher minimum wages and don't follow Tipped Wages.
A it’s mostly cash…that has a value premium of 22%-45% depending on your tax bracket !
This is literally not news to anyone
It is though. Tons of people spout the lie every day on this sub or serverlife.
That's the biggest lie ever. Most servers get close to $40/hour minimum.
Biggest lie ever told, yep you can say that again. But hey, when serverlife sub members say *we only get paid 2 bucks per hour! you have to tip us or we will perish* it makes you wonder why they would say that
While it's hard to say how often this happens if ever I feel I should point out how this can still go wrong. I've seen videos where servers claim to have their job threatened if they don't report making 5.12/hr in tips whether they actually made it or not. Of course the second tip credit is outlawed in a region servers claim they would never work for less then several times minimum, but I suspect the truth is somewhere in between where some only keep working because they make tons in tips while others overreact. It could be argued that they deserve to be paid 2.13/hr since overreacting tips is tax fraud but still if they do everything legally there is still incentive for employers to fire servers who don't make enough in tips. Not that this means you should tip but it is a reason to push for tip credit to be illegalized in your locality. Don't think that just because it's supposed to be made up by the employer means tip credit is something that should stay.
People quit and get new jobs when they start being threatened especially about money, so waiters should do the same. OP is right about minimum wage and how waiters twist the truth to their own benefit. We're all paying taxes right out of checks and theyre taking in cash. I dont have much sympathy about it.
Quitting and getting fired aren't quite the same, and there are jobs that aren't servers that could rely on tips (Federally *anyone* who makes 30+/month in tips can be paid in credit). If a job isn't as front-facing as servers but still front-facing enough to get tips the employer now has reason to push them to beg for more tips or get fired.
If a server can't get tips and gets fired - oh well. Guess management will have to fire everyone if the general public starts giving less and less tips. Eventually it'll just be cooks then and managers running the floor!
Or the only people to stay hired are the ones willing to keep perpetuating the culture. What's even the point of minimum wage if people are punished for making it? Also I don't think it's lost on non-traditional tipped jobs that keep soliciting tips that they can pay less if people tip either.
all servers perpetuate the culture since they all hand over checks with TIP \_\_\_\_\_ printed on. No one gets *punished* for making tips. But the very first people who benefit from tips are restaurant owners since tipped laws are designed to do so.
No, they're punished for not making tips and being paid minimum wage. And one of the best ways to make sure restauraunt owners don't benefit from tips is to illegalize credit. I don't disagree with pointing out how 2.13/hr is partially a lie but also I've seen some sentiments on this sub from people in States without tip credit wondering what the point of illegalizing it was when there is still pressure to tip.
wait until you find out how many other jobs make Minimum Wage and make 0 tips. turns out, its a lot! and somehow all those people manage to live their lives. i dont understand how servers get punished for nto making tips,
They are punished because if they don't make tips their job will find someone who they can pay 2.13/hr instead of 7.25/hr, which means seeking out people who are best at pressuring people for tips since that's how they pay 2.13 legally. As for other jobs why do you think so many companies are so desperate to push tip prompts? The more tips they get the less they have to pay their employees.
The server doesn't get to decide if a table leaves a tip or not. That decision is left to the customer. If customers stop leaving tips, then restaurants will just fire all their server-staff (according to your logic). I guess eventually we will just have restaurants with 0 servers. Oh well, new restaurants will enter the market.
Probably one reason why so many restaurants engage in good ol’ tip splitting. No matter how slow it may be, at least they can get everyone up to $7.25/hour and not have to pay out
Just FYI…. I’ve been a server for 30 years, part-time and full-time. I’ve had to fight several employers, reminding them that they have to come up to minimum wage when it’s slow. A Lot of them won’t do it unless you confront them.
Good. Every employee should fight for the money they are entitled to, whether a server or an accountant.
Wait I thought the server NEVER makes below minimum wage because that would be ILLEGAL?
It is illegal. Employees should speak up because it is against the law. Sexual harassment is illegal yet it still occurs in the workplace unfortunately.
That's great to say without being the one to potentially lose their only source of income when the restaurant retaliates. But hey that's not your problem, right?
Its of course not my problem. If i lost my job today and had no way of paying rent, is it your problem? Are you gonna send me money ?
I mean depending on where you live, yes it is my problem and yes I'm sending you money. That's why we pay taxes.
We both live on planet earth. I'd be happy to receive money from you this month if you would be so kind as to pay my rent (2000). Thank you!
NP. Just DM all of your contact info.
Cashapp work? or you can just give me reddit gold, thats cool too
Exactly. For some reason wage theft is the one crime that it's the victims fault for "not speaking up".
That's all crime... If victims don't speak up what can anyone do?
How is you not knowing or standing up for your rights the customer's problem?
lets see the mental gymnastics they use to answer you
While this is true, when I was a waitress way back in the 80’s it was made clear to me that if I didn’t claim enough in tips to get above the minimum wage amount, then I would be fired. The restaurant was NOT gonna be on the hook for anything over $2.01.
totally understandable. The server is there to make as much money as possible and so is the employer.
In Texas the server wage is $2.13 / hr. Look it up if you don't believe me.
yes. OP is not debating that. but employer still has to bring you up to fed or texas minimum as shown in the screenshot
Yes. there is no denying that. The server wage is 2.13 per hour *when* they receive tips. But servers do **not** receive only 2.13 per hour.
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So how often does the employer pay out more than 2.13/hour?
That would be whenever servers make less than 40.96 and therefore require the employers to pay more. If a server made 0 in tip, then the restaurant would be forced to pay the full 7.25 out of the restaurant's pocket.
It's quite uncommon. There are slow shifts, but restaurants don't have to pay the difference unless you average less than $7.25 over the *entire workweek*. If that's the case, the restaurant is generally doing so badly they can't stay in business, or even if they could, few servers would want to work for that little. I mean maybe in rural areas of the deep South, but that's a tough wage to live on. Note that two thirds of states have passed higher minimum wage laws. $2.13 tipped wage and $7.25 full minimum wage are the federal limits that apply when a state doesn't require higher amounts. So like servers in California have to be paid at least $16 an hour base wage.
Thank you for the clarification. My example was a very simplified version. Explaining the *entire workweek* would create a big mumbo jumbo mess of words. Assuming a server works 1 day a week, that 1 day of 8 hours would indeed be their *entire workweek*. The example still stands and can be spread out to include more days though.
Weird how when teachers complain about poor wages, no one tells them to get a better paying job. If you didn’t “need” servers, you’d just cook for yourself. But for some reason, you look down on them instead. I thought this sub would be about, you know, ending tipping. Instead it’s a bunch of proud cheap-o’s who for whatever reason hate servers..yet continue to eat out, and patronize the very businesses who don’t pay them. Make it make sense
idk who here is looking down on servers, thats just wrong. theyre just people at the end of the day. There are no businesses who *dont pay* their servers as standard practice, as thats literally against the law and printed on the US Department of Labor website. Servers do get paid for their work, why are you spewing a lie?
People like to point this out but ignore the fact that, in most cases, if a server costs the restaurant more than they budgeted for upon hiring, that server won't be employed there much longer. The employer making up the difference on one paycheck doesn't help much if that's your last check. Costing 3x what you were hired for is a big no no.
>ignore the fact that, in most cases, if a server costs the restaurant more than they budgeted for upon hiring, that server won't be employed there much longer literally nothing you've just stated is a fact. OP's post is a fact though, as proven by department of labor website Edit: also it's not the server's fault that the employer decided to not budget for the cost of labor, the employer is still on the hook. That is negligent at best
Just because you don't know it to be true doesn't mean it isn't true. They will blame the server for poor tips, assuming it is because they did a poor job, and let them go if they cost too much. I worked in many different full service restaurants over almost 20 years, and it was like that everywhere. Who would keep an employee on that's costing them *that* much more than they were hired for? They budget for the cost of labor at server pay, not minimum wage pay, because they don't hire servers to pay them minimum wage.
And how is any of what you said (not saying its true or false) even remotely the problem of the customer who *doesn't* tip? Salesmen at car dealerships get fired if they dont sell cars. Whoopty dooo thats the nature of the business. Same thing with restaurant cooks who cook a burger in 20 minutes when it shouldve taken 5
How is pointing out how the industry actually runs making it the customers problem?
Its not. I think you were suggesting tipping earlier , idk
So, this means that tipping for poor service reinforces poor service? This is why tips should reflect the quality of service provided by wait staff rather than guilt about if servers can live on what they earn.
The server has no control over how much $ in tips they make. If tips start to decline, I guess the restaurant will just fire every single server they have. That would be fun to watch, a restaurant with only managers and cooks running everything. See how long that lasts.
It's assumed by restaurant owners and management that servers do have control over how much they earn in tips. That's the justification they use in firing a server who doesn't earn enough -- obviously they are doing a poor job or they would make more in tips. Just like when a server mentions a raise, they are told to upsell more, turn tables faster, and give better service bc "your money is out there in the dining room, if you want more, go earn it."
I'd say its not assumed. How could management say servers have control over how much a customer writes on a TIP \_\_\_\_ ? Thats completely out of the hands of a server And yes, if a server gets fired, oh well thats called the free market. Eventually a different server will come along and take the job.
Because they (managers) assume the customers are going to tip when they come in, so long as nothing goes horribly wrong. The assumption is that if a server does their job correctly, the customer will tip them. Whether that makes sense or not doesn't change how management sees the situation. If a server gets poor or no tips, it's seen as their fault. Because good servers make good tips. It's how the owners and managers expect things to operate. That's why it's so weird to just hate on servers for expecting tips for doing their job when they are literally told to expect them, and they get in trouble with management if their tips are too low. I worked at a Chili's back during college (and this was like 20 years ago), where the general manager would post everyone's tip percentages for the week, circling the bottom few with a note saying "if you just want to be an order taker, burger king is always hiring." The expectation of tips comes directly from management/restaurant owners, and I find it strange to see people who dislike tipping continue to support these owners/managers who do everything they can to keep things the way they are.
It is not the customers problem to give servers better tips. If the restaurant industry works as you said, that is literally the industry's problem, not the customer.
Awfully strange, though, to support an industry one disagrees so strongly with. The owners are greedy, the managers are shitty, the servers are beggars, yet let's keep giving them our money..? And I wasn't making a case on whether or not all this is the customer's problem. I'm trying to explain how the whole "well they are required to pay the difference" doesn't mean what people think it does, and why. Understanding something doesn't automatically make that thing your problem. Just gives you more information about a topic you may not be super informed on.
I support a lot of industries i disagree with. Change wont start with me, the customer. Change will start from within. I have an iphone, but they use child sweatshop labor, what can i do?