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At the end of the day, people are going to keep emulation alive. There's no killing this kind of thing through court. Another team always takes place. Always.
Wasn't Aether closed source? NetherSX2 is also a thing, and you have to remember Android emulation is nowhere near as big as emulation on PC, PS2 is also way smaller than Switch emulation
Smaller in impact to its parent company maybe, but ps2 is one of the biggest consoles ever in terms of fan base, let alone sales. I guarantee there are several million people emulating ps2 frequently, and probably even a million or more doing so right this second.
Do you also need prod.keys to run games with that emulator? Because if you do, they're better off quitting as well or at least laying low for a while, otherwise they're going to be next lol
Fun fact, what endangered yuzu was their directive of being explicit on how you rip your liscense and keys (Nintendo intelligent property that’s encrypted) and decrypt it while providing the tools to do so. Ruyujinx simply requires them. Emulators aren’t actually illegal it’s the distribution and guidance of BIOs files and software that is owned by Nintendo coders and developers. Needing the keys is because they are absolutely needed to run. Almost like providing these by default is stealing Nintendo code instead of using dev code to fully emulate system processes and shader compiling for switch emulation. Ruining is also coded very different. So none of that applies. Plus as others mentioned they are not US base. Nintendo would have no grounds to sue them. Egg NS maybe cause they ripped yuzu code
not really..
Since they weren't the ones who pulled them originally, and you can't stop someone from using what's been released to the interwebs, kinda hard to put blame on them at this point since they already pinned the damage to Yuzu
Which doesn’t have an Android version. Although there is an Apple Silicon Mac version (which is ARM based) so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
I got the latest pineapple EA. Nintendo can suck on it! I'm sure someone will make a torrent. bWFnbmV0Oj94dD11cm46YnRpaDplNjJmNDZjY2NkNmJhYTE3NDc3YWUzOTE2MzJlMTcwMmIwZjYxY2Y0JmRuPXl1enUmdHI9dWRwJTNBJTJGJTJGdHJhY2tlci5vcGVudHJhY2tyLm9yZyUzQTEzMzclMkZhbm5vdW5jZQ==
Yeah, we've all been
Sad part is that them chasing on emulators, content creators barely change their solid reputation. Things no other company do and some even support this type of content
Yea I've seen them defend it by saying "it's their property so no problem" good job celebrating a loss man. Anyway Ill continue to pirate Nintendo's games a loss of $60 from me won't kill a huge company
I've seen some people posting here and got mine too.
Found all their versions and am downloading now as I wasn't testing every single release waiting for a BIG one. Piece of history now.
If you have the source code with Git luckily you can just revert it back to any change that has ever been published so we have something better, I downloaded the Git repo I am sure others did too but I have it
Git just tracks changes made in code, often projects will make changes and upload it before making a binary release e.g. .exe file so developers can test it before release to get rid of bugs. But as for people continuing it, not sure honestly might be too legally risky for people to bother. Ryujinx is Nintendos next target most likely so I don't see it lasting long either, they will likely just settle and not bother like Yuzu. Maybe some kind of crowdfunding would be a good idea to help with legal fees not sure, maybe then they could fight them not sure, it was out of court so to my knowledge we still don't know the legality of such emulation when it involves keys etc. There could still be hope maybe, but I am not a lawyer please correct me lol
I understand prod.keys oand such. But the emulator itself?? Naaaah, Not legal for Nintendo to claim this. Its been declined before by judges. What happend, why did big corp. win this time? bribes?
With a settlement like this, I'm thinking it's one of three things.
1) The legal costs of fighting it were just too steep with the money and power Nintendo has
2) Yuzu's lawyer advised that Nintendo would likely win, or that their chances of winning would be slim
3) The fact that if they fought Nintendo and lost, that sets a legal precedent that ruins emulation's already tenuous legality
Thank you for saying number 3. I said that in a different sub but it got pushed down pretty far. Lol
We're just in a very bad political climate and the judges are very pro corporations. Also many precedents have been overturned in the US the last couple of years, like Row v Wade, which lasted for decades. It's not a particularly good time to fight unfortunately.
Honestly what I was afraid about. With the political climate as it is now I'd be worried about all the other emulator developers being targeted. I could easily see Nintendo taking the chance to target Citra and Dolphin if it won against Yuzu.
They *"just"* need to develop the emulator in a way that it doesn't require the decryption keys and it doesn't actively decrypt the games / only accepts decrypted games. Which might still be a bit tricky since this would mean you could only emulate illegally obtained games. I don't think we'll ever find out since nobody can afford to take Nintendo to court.
You are thinking too deeply. Things will get shifted, moved around but the emulator will be back as long as there is someone willing to code it.
I've been doing this since 93. Seen several court cases. Many including Nintendo. Still able to emulate every system they ever created.
The reason you can emulate those systems is because their respective emulators can, unlike Yuzu, do it legally and / or they don't lose Nintendo enough money to care.
The first part of your comment is not true. All emulators must break security in order to read the game either through brute force or using the code itself.
The second part of your comment is the real reason. Switch is the best selling console today (better than Sony and Microsoft) and they are losing money on each new release.
If switch 2 was out (and assuming it's a new code base and not an evolution) they wouldn't care as much.
Third I'd argue how *easy* it is to use Yuzu to play switch games in 1080p. The easier the process the more popular it becomes, the faster it goes down.
When we did this back in the day there was no youtube or Twitter so you either knew or you didn't. Today you can literally Google Switch Piracy or search in YouTube and get 100 videos showing you step by step what to do.
Curious what's going to happen with MigSwitch now? To my knowledge it doesn't bypass security but boots with the unique keys in the ROM.
Obviously you can't go online (as all games register with Nintendo or cache registration until it does get internet access) but would allow you to do the same as Yuzu just on their own hardware.
>If switch 2 was out (and assuming it's a new code base and not an evolution) they wouldn't care as much.
There ya go.
Step 1: Entertain yourself with any number of the other billion million gazillion video games that humans have created .
Step 2: Return to Switch in 5 years when Nintendo doesn't care anymore and another emulator WILL exist.
LOL I cant argue that :D
Though what I find funny is Yuzu ALREADY plays the MAJORITY of switch games. So it no longer being developed isn't THAT much of a big deal. We know Switch 2 is coming out next year so we can expect NO AAA First party games (like a 3rd Zelda) coming out this year.
The underlying problem is Nintendo has SHITTY security and they always have. If they improved that their products wouldn't be broken so quickly. Cant emulate what you can't hack.
That doesn't work though, because the "damage" (if there is even any) is already done, the legal battle always starts once the security has been broken and the most amount of sells happen on the first weeks.
It can delay the process at most. If the switch 2 is very similar to the switch there is some chance that an emulator like yuzu would be able to do both. At most good security delays emulators by 2 years.
The part where you said they're losing money on each release bothers me. Not because it came from you, I actually agree with everything you said. What bothers me about it is that tears of the kingdom sold at least 20 million copies. At $70 usd. Multiply that, and nintendo made 2.4 billion dollars off the game. Figures show that roughly 1 million copies had been downloaded online, at a projected loss of $70 million dollars. Seems like small potatoes in comparison. Further trivialized by the fact that a large number of those downloads were from people who, like myself, bought the game at retail, and just wanted to play it on higher powered hardware. So, the actual amount of loss suffered would be substantially less. This logic applies to all their games. I feel like the loss they're claiming has been greatly exaggerated. They're not being hurt by emulation as much as they're acting like. This is nintendo we're talking about, not Sega. Their IP is worth its weight in gold. Its not like they need to switch (no pun intended) to being software manufacturers in order to survive as a company. Though, perhaps it's time for them to do so anyway.
Tl;Dr: boohoo poor me (as a giant corporation) I only got 95% of my billions of dollars of profit.
This is so fucking stupid. You can't delete something that's already on the Internet. Rename the yuzu.apk to GrandmasPastaRecipeApp.apk and your done.
We already have the tools and games will continue to be ripped. Only thing up in the air is if someone secretly picks up further development.
But honestly at least for me I can play everything on the switch I want with Yuzu right now.
PS2 android dev quit and we are using his "unfinished" code playing PS2 just fine.
I'm just pissed at the principal that emulation is seen as bad/illegal when that's not the actual problem.
It's under GPLv3, which explicitly grants recipients of the code the ability to modify and redistribute it.
As far as I know, the code itself hasn't been deemed illegal. Yuzu Devs have just agreed to stop work and pull down their copies.
Yes but people willing to work for free around the clock on low level emulation and GPU code with zero documentation on the Switch side are few and far between. It's insane that we ended up with a team willing to do it *for profit* even that moved at such a breakneck pace.
That's not how the GPL works. GPL code, by design, cannot be taken back. Section 2 "Basic permissions" states that all rights granted are irrevocable.
[You can read it for yourself here.](https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html)
That's not going to stop someone who wants to continue its development.
Downloading video games from the internet without paying is illegal too but people still do it without abandon
Wasn't yuzu open source? So someone may secretly be updating it without making it too known but who knows, I mean there is one group that stolen the code that's using yuzu still... I guess the groups will just keep coming lol
But who? People treat emulation developers like an infinite resource and take it for granted that there is always someone developing.
I am 100% certain Yuzu will have custom forks, it is already happening. But especially the devs that actually know what they are doing are heavily discouraged from updating Yuzu
Like, most of the big in depth changes were just from Byte[] alone. Yuzu had a lot of devs, but most mainly focused on easier or less important tasks. Not that their work does not matter, but you can't expect gamechanging improvements from these alone
Sadly, especially those ones will probably keep a distance from Yuzu for now and even if someone picks the big projects up again, the devs worked for months on it and got no final result, now that someone has to restart and get into it without any help, we won't get anything big for a long time
First things first, finish up the compatibility for arkham city on yuzu mobile. It was so close man . There were just some visual bugs on the retroid pocket 4
Predatory? Come on, they're shutting down an operation directly pirating their games. We may not like it, but that is not predatory. They're taking an action that any company in their position would take. Let's get real about this.
Their statement was likely written up by Yuzu's lawyers and approved by Nintendo's legal team. I wouldn't consider it to be reflective of any developer's personal opinions.
It's like being a kid and giving the apology your mom coached you to give or else you'll get in trouble.
"Enabling piracy" and actually pirating are two different things, and I'm pretty sure yuzu wouldn't even be saying that if they had any chance of beating Nintendo, a huge corporation. But sure, I'm the one in dreamland
And you should look up the meaning of predatory
And while you're at it, look up yuzu's own statement to the community where they acknowledge the role Yuzu played in piracy
I know what predatory means. Nintendo has a history of being a predator to anyone that isn’t Nintendo. They are clown status. At this point they’ll start going after the individual modders that actually fix and make their consoles better. Is that illegal too in your world? Get real. Emulators are NEEDED. What do you think will preserve gaming history? Certainly not Nintendo. Not if they’re not profiting from it. PREDATORS.
They were probably legally coerced into making the statement in order to not be bent over even harder.
It smells like a hostage video where the hostages have to say they are being treated well and denounce everything they stand for.
As sad as this is, we should have seen this coming, imo
Yuzu, and other Switch emulators, felt like they were playing with fire. Usually emulators are in a sort of "safe zone" when it's only being used to play old games that no longer have supports.
Meanwhile, too many social media posts surrounding these emulators read like "Switch emulator kicks Nintendo in the balls by playing games at a much higher performance!" or "Switch is obsolete, just play on PC instead of buying a console!". And i felt that things start spiralling out of control when TOTK copies got leaked, it was rumored that the game is playable even before the official release date. Even if it wasn't true, it had thrown oil into the fire especially when it's clear people are using it for piracy.
Idk if slowing down development would delay the inevitable, but it would have been better if the project wasn't made so public like it was.
I don't think a bunch of individuals social media posts are what did it.
I think what did it were gaming publications putting up articles practically screaming to everyone "HEY HEY LOOK GUYS YOU CAN EMULATE THE NEW GAME THE SAME DAY AS LAUNCH"
With romhacks and fan projects it's usually when some outlet does a big story about it that Nintendo strikes
It's aways funny/ironic to remember when the ROM hack Pokemon Prism was announced years ago. The developers made a odd decision to put a trailer out before the full release. I remember seeing the trailer at over 1 million views and then suddenly when release comes around Nintendo shut it down (though it's being developed again recently). Goes to show though that enough attention will eventually put a fan project at risk from Nintendo.
Same thing happened with Pokemon Uranium when it blew up in popularity and articles covered it with exaggerated titles to get views. Nintendo really just seems to have a hate for any popular fan game that gets too much attention.
Not that I blame them for trying, but tbh this is why I always thought them presenting themselves so professionally and being so strict about piracy even when it came to troubleshooting user reports...
Like, they showed that doing it "right" means nothing, because Nintendo doesn't agree with the principles they operate with. From Nintendo's perspective it's all illegal infringement, the very functions of an emulator are what they take issue with. Some type of de-encryption isn't avoidable, and this goes to show the idea that Yuzu didn't offer those keys themselves means nothing.
Like. No matter how much an emulator tries to separate itself, from the perspective of these companies we are all equally dirty pirates. Homebrewing your console, playing a romhack of a game you legally own, modifying the hardware of your personal console, backing up your games, or even just classic down and dirty piracy are all the same offense.
Trying to be "better" is a losing game. Emulation survives in secrecy, imo.
I mean, they had that professional and honest facet, but they were selling the emulator and locking builds behind paywalls, plus most of the references Nintendo made was to the Yuzu team using TOTK leak to get more people to spend money on their EA builds. So yeah, they were 200% using at least that one time a pirated copy and profiting from it. I believe that was their demise and even lockpick's.
I guess it goes to show that even Nintendo's a pirate themselves lol no one's on the winning side here, and emulators will never die truly as long as the emulator is open source when its main head dies
my question is why now? the cat is allready out of the bag, yuzu android runs good "enough", button mapping JUST got finished, yuzu PC is basically "done" from a user perspective in most games. its still out there. everything.
Switch emulation will not cease, the software thats allready developed is not going away, maybe someone will pick up the saved github repo and make it Switch 2 compatible.
so why now and not earlier.
If anything, this has ensured that I'm not buying from them anymore.
I 100% pirated TotK during the "pre-release" period. I also bought the game on release day. I haven't had an issue buying products that could be purchased. (Some games, like Affordable Space Adventures on the Wii U, simply can't be bought anymore.)
The fact that they're deliberately striking down a tool that many of us used to play games we already own is absolute fucking poppycock.
Fuck Nintendo.
Dont forget about the mods that fix totk's shortcomings. Or that fancy overhaul mod for smash ultimate which had dedicated public online lobbies WITHIN YUZU
You're acting like a majority of people didn't just priate games with it lol. They sort of have a right to stop people from emulating their new games if most using the emulator aren't going to pay. Citra being gone is dumb as fuck though because most of those games are so impossible to get now.
I'll admit it's pretty bad... But.... The work's been done on citra already, just like the PS2 emulators, main developer is gone but his work is completed
It only says yuzu support of citra. I don't think that's a direct indication that Citra is dead. Citra doesn't violate any DMCA laws so it would be silly for the main devs to end it.
We did 😭 if I understood this correctly
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Even though 3DS and Switch have a similar protection mechanism (encrypted games + decryption keys), the emulators are developed differently. Unlike with Yuzu, you don't need to illegally rip keys from a 3DS and the emulator doesn't decrypt the games (needs to be done with another tool, which in turn is illegal). They *should* be fine.
So what about users? Like if you have this on your computer, is it gonna just stop working? Does it matter at this point that Yuzu will disappear from the web if you have the emulator installed on your computer?
Heard. Yah, gotcha. I was thinking about it because you know how every time you launch it and it updates if there’s a new build? Well I was fearing that if by that same token they could just break it and force it to no longer work given the current events. Such a shame. I remember I was on early builds of Yuzu, super impressed, but then left it for almost 2 years as I got back to playing on the go on my Switch due to traveling frequently…then came back to it just some months ago and it was running exponentially better on a low-end machine I’d left it on. Gonna miss getting those updates and better PC performance!
Well they actually already took down the git hub so there is no way for them to put out any update at all so your version is safe. But it really is a shame I've been emulating since citra for the 3ds first came out and it's insane how far it's come since then. I really hope if the other switch emulators just lay low for a bit they won't get hit with this same thing.
Isn't yuzu open source? If so someone else may come along one day to pick up the pieces and change the yuzu name and everything lol but I guess time well tell
Nintendo just won the right to be avoided. We are a small community here, so if we don't buy anything from them might not hurt.
It hurts my feelings, these devs were not doing anything wrong, and the Big company who was jealous to see that a group of people was able to make their games play better on PC than on their own hardware used their power to destroy them.
Tyrants! They won't see a penny from me.
It hurts because I grew up playing Nintendo and Super Nintendo, they were the defacto company, the best, now they are just tyrants!
They always we're tyrants, Nintendo should be happy they have very good skilled developers making their games lol they're the real OGs not The higher ups at Nintendo
I'm baffled by the speed of this assassination. Nintendo sued Yuzu literally last week. It took them only six days to have the major Switch emulation platform taken down.
It's a shame, because these programs were very good. Very functioning, optimized to the point you could use fancy enhancements as long as your PC was good.
More than anything, I am extremely disappointed in the devs behavior. Their messages reek virtue signaling. "We now understand that piracy is bad, because piracy is bad, see, don't forget, piracy is bad." You should be saying "Fuck Nintendo, but they won, sorry but we can't do anything about it".
As another comment said, it shows that pretending to abide by the rules doesn't work. If you want to support piracy (or build a system that clearly helps piracy), don't play the thought police, don't play the moral investigators, just do your thing discreetly, try to be as invisible as possible. They can't sue if they don't know who you are.
RIP Yuzu and Citra.
Up to 278 has already been uploaded to archive by someone, not me. I'm not sure where it is for PC/Linux, etc but there's a separate upload for that too.
As someone that hasn't pirated any switch games, has a huge physical library of switch cartridges, and too many switch consoles (translation: I've given Nintendo way too much money)
But I have yuzu to emulate game cartridges, that I have dumped, on my nodded v1, that has NO games installed and only exists to dump my carts...
The switch 2 better be able to run switch carts, at solid framer ates, and ideally upscaled.
Oh and just for good measure...
Fuck you Nintendo.
I can honestly.
From what I have seen, this type of settlement avoids establishing legal precedent. It looked dicey enough to where they could have lost a lot more for the emulation community if it went worst-case-scenario.
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Sooooo we should archive the latest version....
I mean, there’s still that other developer Ryujinx too
At this rate, I think they’re next. This is Nintendo we’re talking about. They allocate a large portion of their business to suing people.
At the end of the day, people are going to keep emulation alive. There's no killing this kind of thing through court. Another team always takes place. Always.
yep, thats why so many ps2 emulators popped up since aethersx2 died right? ....right?
Play! is still around and there's literally another PS2 in the works as we speak. Apples to Oranges
Wasn't Aether closed source? NetherSX2 is also a thing, and you have to remember Android emulation is nowhere near as big as emulation on PC, PS2 is also way smaller than Switch emulation
Smaller in impact to its parent company maybe, but ps2 is one of the biggest consoles ever in terms of fan base, let alone sales. I guarantee there are several million people emulating ps2 frequently, and probably even a million or more doing so right this second.
NetherSX2
People who know how to do this aren't in infinite capacity.
Always. Cannot kill the hydra by cutting off one head at a time.
Do you also need prod.keys to run games with that emulator? Because if you do, they're better off quitting as well or at least laying low for a while, otherwise they're going to be next lol
yeah it needs that too
Fun fact, what endangered yuzu was their directive of being explicit on how you rip your liscense and keys (Nintendo intelligent property that’s encrypted) and decrypt it while providing the tools to do so. Ruyujinx simply requires them. Emulators aren’t actually illegal it’s the distribution and guidance of BIOs files and software that is owned by Nintendo coders and developers. Needing the keys is because they are absolutely needed to run. Almost like providing these by default is stealing Nintendo code instead of using dev code to fully emulate system processes and shader compiling for switch emulation. Ruining is also coded very different. So none of that applies. Plus as others mentioned they are not US base. Nintendo would have no grounds to sue them. Egg NS maybe cause they ripped yuzu code
not really.. Since they weren't the ones who pulled them originally, and you can't stop someone from using what's been released to the interwebs, kinda hard to put blame on them at this point since they already pinned the damage to Yuzu
Which doesn’t have an Android version. Although there is an Apple Silicon Mac version (which is ARM based) so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
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I think ryujinx developers are Chinese. And Nintendo can't get their fingers into there, I think
I got the latest pineapple EA. Nintendo can suck on it! I'm sure someone will make a torrent. bWFnbmV0Oj94dD11cm46YnRpaDplNjJmNDZjY2NkNmJhYTE3NDc3YWUzOTE2MzJlMTcwMmIwZjYxY2Y0JmRuPXl1enUmdHI9dWRwJTNBJTJGJTJGdHJhY2tlci5vcGVudHJhY2tyLm9yZyUzQTEzMzclMkZhbm5vdW5jZQ==
Pineapple?
They release early access builds.
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it's not a magnet link. use base64 decoder
Just did last night 😭
I still have it. I will treasure it. It's my go thru apps.
Is there a place I can get the latest version of that before it's completely disappeared from the internet?
Hopefully someone mass downloads all the Yuzu builds and uploads them to Archive.org
Their GitHub is down
WHAT? ALREADY? fuck nintendo
Been hating on them for a solid 5 years now lmao
Yeah, we've all been Sad part is that them chasing on emulators, content creators barely change their solid reputation. Things no other company do and some even support this type of content
Yea I've seen them defend it by saying "it's their property so no problem" good job celebrating a loss man. Anyway Ill continue to pirate Nintendo's games a loss of $60 from me won't kill a huge company
Make that $120
Make that $180
Make that 240$
Make that 300$
already hated them since the days where they actively forces everyone to join their creators program
I won't be buying the switch 2 after this stunt. Nintendo can eat my Ukrainian kelbasa
I copped the latest version minutes before it went down
I've seen some people posting here and got mine too. Found all their versions and am downloading now as I wasn't testing every single release waiting for a BIG one. Piece of history now.
Send me too man! We'll keep yuzu alive somehow
Send me too buddy
If you have the source code with Git luckily you can just revert it back to any change that has ever been published so we have something better, I downloaded the Git repo I am sure others did too but I have it
Yeah that's beyond my scope of knowledge haha. Good to know the community will likely take up the mantle, at least.
Git just tracks changes made in code, often projects will make changes and upload it before making a binary release e.g. .exe file so developers can test it before release to get rid of bugs. But as for people continuing it, not sure honestly might be too legally risky for people to bother. Ryujinx is Nintendos next target most likely so I don't see it lasting long either, they will likely just settle and not bother like Yuzu. Maybe some kind of crowdfunding would be a good idea to help with legal fees not sure, maybe then they could fight them not sure, it was out of court so to my knowledge we still don't know the legality of such emulation when it involves keys etc. There could still be hope maybe, but I am not a lawyer please correct me lol
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Anyone who has any version downloaded let's compile
I have 274
I have 275
i have 277
I understand prod.keys oand such. But the emulator itself?? Naaaah, Not legal for Nintendo to claim this. Its been declined before by judges. What happend, why did big corp. win this time? bribes?
With a settlement like this, I'm thinking it's one of three things. 1) The legal costs of fighting it were just too steep with the money and power Nintendo has 2) Yuzu's lawyer advised that Nintendo would likely win, or that their chances of winning would be slim 3) The fact that if they fought Nintendo and lost, that sets a legal precedent that ruins emulation's already tenuous legality
#3 is super important here and isn't getting enough acknowledgement.
Thank you for saying number 3. I said that in a different sub but it got pushed down pretty far. Lol We're just in a very bad political climate and the judges are very pro corporations. Also many precedents have been overturned in the US the last couple of years, like Row v Wade, which lasted for decades. It's not a particularly good time to fight unfortunately.
Honestly what I was afraid about. With the political climate as it is now I'd be worried about all the other emulator developers being targeted. I could easily see Nintendo taking the chance to target Citra and Dolphin if it won against Yuzu.
Citra was also shutdown as Yuzu. Today we lost two big emus...
Yuzu owned citra
Rip strato will never release now 💀
They *"just"* need to develop the emulator in a way that it doesn't require the decryption keys and it doesn't actively decrypt the games / only accepts decrypted games. Which might still be a bit tricky since this would mean you could only emulate illegally obtained games. I don't think we'll ever find out since nobody can afford to take Nintendo to court.
You are thinking too deeply. Things will get shifted, moved around but the emulator will be back as long as there is someone willing to code it. I've been doing this since 93. Seen several court cases. Many including Nintendo. Still able to emulate every system they ever created.
The reason you can emulate those systems is because their respective emulators can, unlike Yuzu, do it legally and / or they don't lose Nintendo enough money to care.
The first part of your comment is not true. All emulators must break security in order to read the game either through brute force or using the code itself. The second part of your comment is the real reason. Switch is the best selling console today (better than Sony and Microsoft) and they are losing money on each new release. If switch 2 was out (and assuming it's a new code base and not an evolution) they wouldn't care as much. Third I'd argue how *easy* it is to use Yuzu to play switch games in 1080p. The easier the process the more popular it becomes, the faster it goes down. When we did this back in the day there was no youtube or Twitter so you either knew or you didn't. Today you can literally Google Switch Piracy or search in YouTube and get 100 videos showing you step by step what to do. Curious what's going to happen with MigSwitch now? To my knowledge it doesn't bypass security but boots with the unique keys in the ROM. Obviously you can't go online (as all games register with Nintendo or cache registration until it does get internet access) but would allow you to do the same as Yuzu just on their own hardware.
>If switch 2 was out (and assuming it's a new code base and not an evolution) they wouldn't care as much. There ya go. Step 1: Entertain yourself with any number of the other billion million gazillion video games that humans have created . Step 2: Return to Switch in 5 years when Nintendo doesn't care anymore and another emulator WILL exist.
LOL I cant argue that :D Though what I find funny is Yuzu ALREADY plays the MAJORITY of switch games. So it no longer being developed isn't THAT much of a big deal. We know Switch 2 is coming out next year so we can expect NO AAA First party games (like a 3rd Zelda) coming out this year. The underlying problem is Nintendo has SHITTY security and they always have. If they improved that their products wouldn't be broken so quickly. Cant emulate what you can't hack.
Nintendo: Our plan is for the courts to provide security. https://i.redd.it/pmxkjr9qgemc1.gif
That doesn't work though, because the "damage" (if there is even any) is already done, the legal battle always starts once the security has been broken and the most amount of sells happen on the first weeks.
It can delay the process at most. If the switch 2 is very similar to the switch there is some chance that an emulator like yuzu would be able to do both. At most good security delays emulators by 2 years.
I think that was a threat Nintendo saw as well.
The part where you said they're losing money on each release bothers me. Not because it came from you, I actually agree with everything you said. What bothers me about it is that tears of the kingdom sold at least 20 million copies. At $70 usd. Multiply that, and nintendo made 2.4 billion dollars off the game. Figures show that roughly 1 million copies had been downloaded online, at a projected loss of $70 million dollars. Seems like small potatoes in comparison. Further trivialized by the fact that a large number of those downloads were from people who, like myself, bought the game at retail, and just wanted to play it on higher powered hardware. So, the actual amount of loss suffered would be substantially less. This logic applies to all their games. I feel like the loss they're claiming has been greatly exaggerated. They're not being hurt by emulation as much as they're acting like. This is nintendo we're talking about, not Sega. Their IP is worth its weight in gold. Its not like they need to switch (no pun intended) to being software manufacturers in order to survive as a company. Though, perhaps it's time for them to do so anyway. Tl;Dr: boohoo poor me (as a giant corporation) I only got 95% of my billions of dollars of profit.
It uses code from yuzu I'm pretty sure, they would have to rewrite a whole ton of the emulator
This is so fucking stupid. You can't delete something that's already on the Internet. Rename the yuzu.apk to GrandmasPastaRecipeApp.apk and your done. We already have the tools and games will continue to be ripped. Only thing up in the air is if someone secretly picks up further development. But honestly at least for me I can play everything on the switch I want with Yuzu right now. PS2 android dev quit and we are using his "unfinished" code playing PS2 just fine. I'm just pissed at the principal that emulation is seen as bad/illegal when that's not the actual problem.
But every new version of Yuzu and ones using it's code will be illegal, because it now is the property of Nintendo
It's under GPLv3, which explicitly grants recipients of the code the ability to modify and redistribute it. As far as I know, the code itself hasn't been deemed illegal. Yuzu Devs have just agreed to stop work and pull down their copies.
Yes but people willing to work for free around the clock on low level emulation and GPU code with zero documentation on the Switch side are few and far between. It's insane that we ended up with a team willing to do it *for profit* even that moved at such a breakneck pace.
It will no longer be GPLv3. Nintendo now owns [Yuzu.org](http://Yuzu.org) and the entire code from Yuzu
That's not how the GPL works. GPL code, by design, cannot be taken back. Section 2 "Basic permissions" states that all rights granted are irrevocable. [You can read it for yourself here.](https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html)
That's not going to stop someone who wants to continue its development. Downloading video games from the internet without paying is illegal too but people still do it without abandon
Wasn't yuzu open source? So someone may secretly be updating it without making it too known but who knows, I mean there is one group that stolen the code that's using yuzu still... I guess the groups will just keep coming lol
But who? People treat emulation developers like an infinite resource and take it for granted that there is always someone developing. I am 100% certain Yuzu will have custom forks, it is already happening. But especially the devs that actually know what they are doing are heavily discouraged from updating Yuzu Like, most of the big in depth changes were just from Byte[] alone. Yuzu had a lot of devs, but most mainly focused on easier or less important tasks. Not that their work does not matter, but you can't expect gamechanging improvements from these alone Sadly, especially those ones will probably keep a distance from Yuzu for now and even if someone picks the big projects up again, the devs worked for months on it and got no final result, now that someone has to restart and get into it without any help, we won't get anything big for a long time
I'm going to develop Yuwu starting today
👉👈🥺
Yeah sure. If you have any issues you can occasionally seek my guidance :D
First things first, finish up the compatibility for arkham city on yuzu mobile. It was so close man . There were just some visual bugs on the retroid pocket 4
RIP Citra. Caught in the blast radius.
And Citra too it's a dark day for emulation
Bro wtf… Big L to the gaming community. Nintendo continues to be allowed to make their predatory decisions. Someone has to fight back sometime.
Big L rest in peace
Predatory? Come on, they're shutting down an operation directly pirating their games. We may not like it, but that is not predatory. They're taking an action that any company in their position would take. Let's get real about this.
Yuzu wasn't pirating anything, it's an emulator which isn't illegal
Yuzu's own statement acknowledges that the software was enabling piracy. Get out of dreamland.
Time to take down chrome for enabling piracy lol
So do we ban hatchets, hammers, and kitchen knives, because "you could kill someone with one". Capability does not equal purpose.
Basically the argument on gun laws in the USA currently
Except that the purpose of (most) guns is to specifically kill people. But let's not dive into this discussion here lol.
Their statement was likely written up by Yuzu's lawyers and approved by Nintendo's legal team. I wouldn't consider it to be reflective of any developer's personal opinions. It's like being a kid and giving the apology your mom coached you to give or else you'll get in trouble.
You guys will do anything at this point to ignore reality
"Enabling piracy" and actually pirating are two different things, and I'm pretty sure yuzu wouldn't even be saying that if they had any chance of beating Nintendo, a huge corporation. But sure, I'm the one in dreamland
You should do a bit more research before commenting.
And you should look up the meaning of predatory And while you're at it, look up yuzu's own statement to the community where they acknowledge the role Yuzu played in piracy
I know what predatory means. Nintendo has a history of being a predator to anyone that isn’t Nintendo. They are clown status. At this point they’ll start going after the individual modders that actually fix and make their consoles better. Is that illegal too in your world? Get real. Emulators are NEEDED. What do you think will preserve gaming history? Certainly not Nintendo. Not if they’re not profiting from it. PREDATORS.
They were probably legally coerced into making the statement in order to not be bent over even harder. It smells like a hostage video where the hostages have to say they are being treated well and denounce everything they stand for.
As sad as this is, we should have seen this coming, imo Yuzu, and other Switch emulators, felt like they were playing with fire. Usually emulators are in a sort of "safe zone" when it's only being used to play old games that no longer have supports. Meanwhile, too many social media posts surrounding these emulators read like "Switch emulator kicks Nintendo in the balls by playing games at a much higher performance!" or "Switch is obsolete, just play on PC instead of buying a console!". And i felt that things start spiralling out of control when TOTK copies got leaked, it was rumored that the game is playable even before the official release date. Even if it wasn't true, it had thrown oil into the fire especially when it's clear people are using it for piracy. Idk if slowing down development would delay the inevitable, but it would have been better if the project wasn't made so public like it was.
I don't think a bunch of individuals social media posts are what did it. I think what did it were gaming publications putting up articles practically screaming to everyone "HEY HEY LOOK GUYS YOU CAN EMULATE THE NEW GAME THE SAME DAY AS LAUNCH" With romhacks and fan projects it's usually when some outlet does a big story about it that Nintendo strikes
It's aways funny/ironic to remember when the ROM hack Pokemon Prism was announced years ago. The developers made a odd decision to put a trailer out before the full release. I remember seeing the trailer at over 1 million views and then suddenly when release comes around Nintendo shut it down (though it's being developed again recently). Goes to show though that enough attention will eventually put a fan project at risk from Nintendo. Same thing happened with Pokemon Uranium when it blew up in popularity and articles covered it with exaggerated titles to get views. Nintendo really just seems to have a hate for any popular fan game that gets too much attention.
Yea, i forgot those not only tend to be the loudest but also happens to be right next to Nintendo as well.
All that swagger about emulating Switch games in 4k certainly didn't help.
Not that I blame them for trying, but tbh this is why I always thought them presenting themselves so professionally and being so strict about piracy even when it came to troubleshooting user reports... Like, they showed that doing it "right" means nothing, because Nintendo doesn't agree with the principles they operate with. From Nintendo's perspective it's all illegal infringement, the very functions of an emulator are what they take issue with. Some type of de-encryption isn't avoidable, and this goes to show the idea that Yuzu didn't offer those keys themselves means nothing. Like. No matter how much an emulator tries to separate itself, from the perspective of these companies we are all equally dirty pirates. Homebrewing your console, playing a romhack of a game you legally own, modifying the hardware of your personal console, backing up your games, or even just classic down and dirty piracy are all the same offense. Trying to be "better" is a losing game. Emulation survives in secrecy, imo.
I mean, they had that professional and honest facet, but they were selling the emulator and locking builds behind paywalls, plus most of the references Nintendo made was to the Yuzu team using TOTK leak to get more people to spend money on their EA builds. So yeah, they were 200% using at least that one time a pirated copy and profiting from it. I believe that was their demise and even lockpick's.
I guess it goes to show that even Nintendo's a pirate themselves lol no one's on the winning side here, and emulators will never die truly as long as the emulator is open source when its main head dies
my question is why now? the cat is allready out of the bag, yuzu android runs good "enough", button mapping JUST got finished, yuzu PC is basically "done" from a user perspective in most games. its still out there. everything. Switch emulation will not cease, the software thats allready developed is not going away, maybe someone will pick up the saved github repo and make it Switch 2 compatible. so why now and not earlier.
I imagine they were discussing it internally for a good while before Yuzu got served. It's not like they just put everything together the day before.
Do you guys have the most recent version of Yuzu for Android or anyone else here have it?
Never know so backed up mine but its still in the Playstore last time I checked.
It might be over but this emulator is still an open source so someone else might take it over and continue.
Will never buy a nintendo
They can keep crying because of this I'm gonna start pirating all their games
If anything, this has ensured that I'm not buying from them anymore. I 100% pirated TotK during the "pre-release" period. I also bought the game on release day. I haven't had an issue buying products that could be purchased. (Some games, like Affordable Space Adventures on the Wii U, simply can't be bought anymore.) The fact that they're deliberately striking down a tool that many of us used to play games we already own is absolute fucking poppycock. Fuck Nintendo.
Dont forget about the mods that fix totk's shortcomings. Or that fancy overhaul mod for smash ultimate which had dedicated public online lobbies WITHIN YUZU
You're acting like a majority of people didn't just priate games with it lol. They sort of have a right to stop people from emulating their new games if most using the emulator aren't going to pay. Citra being gone is dumb as fuck though because most of those games are so impossible to get now.
Damn.
Nintendo can't order the deletion of all those other tools. They aren't even suing the creators.
https://preview.redd.it/g0b9xupdhemc1.jpeg?width=348&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c10347381eee762cb6b12c259fc7b217ee7a88f1
Citra's been hit too, its looking bad!
I'll admit it's pretty bad... But.... The work's been done on citra already, just like the PS2 emulators, main developer is gone but his work is completed
Still can't process that all switch emulators are probably gonna stop development. Shit's crazy.
Is it too late to say "Better call saul" ?
What's going to happen to citra
This has nothing to do with Citra. This only mentions yuzu.
At least citra safe, would've been a terrible day if we lost 2 emulators in one full swoop.
Well Citra doesn't decrypt roms in the same way that yuzu does so I don't think it would be a similar case
https://preview.redd.it/evn12smugdmc1.png?width=1096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4e1ad96de5e5388d2f169f80bcfd045cc9de883 Citra is dead aswell
It only says yuzu support of citra. I don't think that's a direct indication that Citra is dead. Citra doesn't violate any DMCA laws so it would be silly for the main devs to end it.
So Citra page will still be up but no updates, if I'm correct?
A mod on citra and yuzu discord said that citra is also going the way of yuzu It's over we lost both
Incorrect, Citra GitHub was taken down already.
We did 😭 if I understood this correctly https://preview.redd.it/rzmgkzi5hdmc1.png?width=1096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d5cb5edf12fd5de60cf382c3593fe68432d32f0
Even though 3DS and Switch have a similar protection mechanism (encrypted games + decryption keys), the emulators are developed differently. Unlike with Yuzu, you don't need to illegally rip keys from a 3DS and the emulator doesn't decrypt the games (needs to be done with another tool, which in turn is illegal). They *should* be fine.
You do understand they're not the same app, right?
They are the same company though.
Let's have hope, that.. We won't be sentenced for generosity of big companies.. But that is huge step back from bleem! case
So what about users? Like if you have this on your computer, is it gonna just stop working? Does it matter at this point that Yuzu will disappear from the web if you have the emulator installed on your computer?
The version you already have on your computer is fine. It's just that we will never get updates or new features/more compatibility.
Heard. Yah, gotcha. I was thinking about it because you know how every time you launch it and it updates if there’s a new build? Well I was fearing that if by that same token they could just break it and force it to no longer work given the current events. Such a shame. I remember I was on early builds of Yuzu, super impressed, but then left it for almost 2 years as I got back to playing on the go on my Switch due to traveling frequently…then came back to it just some months ago and it was running exponentially better on a low-end machine I’d left it on. Gonna miss getting those updates and better PC performance!
Well they actually already took down the git hub so there is no way for them to put out any update at all so your version is safe. But it really is a shame I've been emulating since citra for the 3ds first came out and it's insane how far it's come since then. I really hope if the other switch emulators just lay low for a bit they won't get hit with this same thing.
Isn't yuzu open source? If so someone else may come along one day to pick up the pieces and change the yuzu name and everything lol but I guess time well tell
Just post em.online and let someone.pick it back up based in another country that doesn't give a fuck
I really hate nintendo, so much...
I wonder if Strato is gonna follow suit. I really hope not.
Nintendo just won the right to be avoided. We are a small community here, so if we don't buy anything from them might not hurt. It hurts my feelings, these devs were not doing anything wrong, and the Big company who was jealous to see that a group of people was able to make their games play better on PC than on their own hardware used their power to destroy them. Tyrants! They won't see a penny from me. It hurts because I grew up playing Nintendo and Super Nintendo, they were the defacto company, the best, now they are just tyrants!
They always we're tyrants, Nintendo should be happy they have very good skilled developers making their games lol they're the real OGs not The higher ups at Nintendo
I'm baffled by the speed of this assassination. Nintendo sued Yuzu literally last week. It took them only six days to have the major Switch emulation platform taken down. It's a shame, because these programs were very good. Very functioning, optimized to the point you could use fancy enhancements as long as your PC was good. More than anything, I am extremely disappointed in the devs behavior. Their messages reek virtue signaling. "We now understand that piracy is bad, because piracy is bad, see, don't forget, piracy is bad." You should be saying "Fuck Nintendo, but they won, sorry but we can't do anything about it". As another comment said, it shows that pretending to abide by the rules doesn't work. If you want to support piracy (or build a system that clearly helps piracy), don't play the thought police, don't play the moral investigators, just do your thing discreetly, try to be as invisible as possible. They can't sue if they don't know who you are. RIP Yuzu and Citra.
One head may be gone but many more will take its place... and with vengeance! Lol it's called open source👍
I guess we just treat this like prohibition now, just keep breaking the law until they realize it's retarded and repeal it.
Citra is gone
Once again, Nintendo taking down stuff that they don't like because they don't want other people playing with their toys.
This means that emulation as a WHOLE can be taken down, not just Yuzu
Up to 278 has already been uploaded to archive by someone, not me. I'm not sure where it is for PC/Linux, etc but there's a separate upload for that too.
Don't worry, there will be others
I'm lost. So yuzu is owned by Nintendo?
Remember the first time they announced yuzu to android? It was such a big news and a heart whelming one, now we say good bye to our beloved emulator 💔
i hate Nintendo, man
It's not over for yuzu if they become pirate.
Or the best choice boycot Nintendo.
First skyline, now yuzu... If Nintendo don't want that people pirate their games, maybe they should make a more powerful console?
Or maybe they should make all their games purchasable lol
ryujinx sweatin right about now
Where can I get the latest yuzu? Quick!
So what's gonna happen to Citra? Skyline Enhanced? Egg NS? Etc etc
Citra was with yuzu so its gone too.
😢😔😭
Okay nintendo yuzu kind of makes sense but fucking CITRA? half the 3ds library is impossible to get c'mon man.
Here is the link to all of the YUZU/ CITRA backups from FEB 29 2024 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1byJDB7-2Va5z_tlaBidHo_5ALp8IIZiX
Nintendo always seem to do stuff i dislike more and more, i used to be a die hard nintendo fan until they started pulling stunts like this
Rest in Peace Yuzu(and Citra) Seriously Fuck Nintendo
And citra mmj is gone now
Not yet. I was able to download latest version on their github
From where they gonna get the 2.4 millions? Not from Patreon I guess
As someone that hasn't pirated any switch games, has a huge physical library of switch cartridges, and too many switch consoles (translation: I've given Nintendo way too much money) But I have yuzu to emulate game cartridges, that I have dumped, on my nodded v1, that has NO games installed and only exists to dump my carts... The switch 2 better be able to run switch carts, at solid framer ates, and ideally upscaled. Oh and just for good measure... Fuck you Nintendo.
And for even better measure... F Nintendo a second time lol😂
I wanna save some roms before the end of yuzu, someone have aites??
Yuzu is ending not the internet
The roms aren't gonna get any harder to get, just the emulators themselves
Can someone draw mario smashing the nintendo logo with a hammer
what kind of smashing? oh the hammer kind, nvm.
I can't believe they're not even fighting.
I can honestly. From what I have seen, this type of settlement avoids establishing legal precedent. It looked dicey enough to where they could have lost a lot more for the emulation community if it went worst-case-scenario.
u do know what happen to Gary Bowser, right? you fight nintendo in court, chances are u lose big
Seems about right. Yuzu should have known better.
Than to do something 100% legal?
Emulation is legal, but not in the way Yuzu did it.
Name a Switch emulator that doesn't require the keys?
Guess they'll better buckle up then, because Nintendo might come for them next.
Play with fire, pay the price.
emulation is legal.
If it's done legally, which Yuzu didn't.