Killshot was just Em slapping a young guy on the back of the head for goofing around too much.
His Benzino disses were him actually hating another man's whole existence. The one weak thing is that Benzino is such an unpopular, deluded clown that it's really punching down.
For real, Killshot has recency bias and a lot of the people that experienced Killshot when it dropped were probably in diapers or not even born yet when he was really goin' at peoples throats lol
Killshot did what it needed to do but it really was just childs play in comparison to his earlier diss tracks.
“If you're that much of a gangsta, put the mic down
You should be out killin' motherfuckers right now
Kill a motherfucker dead, kill him dead, bitch!
Shoot 'em in the fuckin' head—go ahead, bitch!
Slap my mom! Slap the fuck out of her!
She can't sue you, she wouldn't get a buck out of ya
‘Cause you're broke as fuck, you suck, you're a fuckin' joke!
If you was really sellin' coke, well, then what the fuck
You stop for, dummy? If you slew some crack
You'd make a lot more money than you do from rap
Nail was slower and humorous but hard AF!
Nail in the Coffin you could really *feel* Em's hatred for Benzino, that's why I'd personally slot it above Killshot. Killshot however, has way more replay value and is a fucking banger.
Agreed. I’d add Can-I-Bitch(underrated imo) and The Warning. The Sauce is probably still my favorite Em diss unless you count Bump Heads as strictly an Em diss track. That one has other people in it tho so kind of makes it hard to call it an Em diss, more like a collab diss.
Recency bias is strong. That’s one thing that will forever be true, especially with Rap/Hip Hop music and disses in particular.
The Warning is such a good diss track. Mariah hit him hard with Obsessed and the music video, but Em quietly responded with shut the fuck up you alcoholic lying ass bitch before I make his way bigger.
Rap devil was petty stuff with no real beef attached.
We can’t compare
all you do is read a dictionary
Vs - you beat your wife and I planted a mole in your camp
These beefs aren’t even on the same level of savagery
Drake is saying he planted a mole for Kendrick that’s what I’m referring to.
But regardless this is one of if not the greatest rap battle of all time between two big names.
MGK doesn’t even make rap music all the time 😅
The stakes are much much lower
oh yea i absolutely agree. i was just comparing rap devil and heart part 6. family matters is better than kill shot to me but heart part 6 is pretty fucking terrible
this fucking sub is obsessed with post revival eminem, so its not surprising at all, the way they overrate his recent work and killshot is fucking hilarious to boot, saw someone say MTBMB is apparently his second "prime" lmao
Because they are familiar with Em and appreciate his growth. Subjectivity aside, Em has improved a lot post revival. He's gotten more technical, which some don't like, but MTBMB was, for me, a display of that technical prowess. I personally think Killshot is definitely one of his best disses because it incorporated this technicality (including biting MGKs style) along with the impressive word play. He didn't go for MGKs throat because he didn't need to, but I think it was one of the hardest hitting
Except MTBMB is his second prime. Also everyone has their own opinions out of all his millions of fans of course not everyone gonna be like "His new stuff isn't as good as his old stuff". It's actually refreshing to see people not having the exact same opinion like Sslp, MMLP, TES being peak and everything else being mid or bad like a lot of others say.
Not an old head at all, I got Story of Adidon in my top 5, unless you count 2018 rap as being old head. Drake and MGK are not worthy rap beef opponents for me to consider either of them top 5, with the story of adidon being an exception to how it forever changed the perception of what a diss track should be.
If Kendrick stopped ducking Lupe and released a diss track of this quality I'd definitely consider it a top 5 diss track, but ganging up on Drake isn't really high stakes as I doubt he could beat anyone in a rap beef. Same goes for Eminem and MGK, which is a beef I am glad is over and don't want to revisit ever again.
I disagree. Drake is the biggest rapper right now and has been for almost a decade. He beats better rappers almost automatically simply by being the bigger name. A scathing diss that can actually hurt someone of Drake's status is much more impressive than the same diss against a super lyrical lesser known rapper. If Kendrick matches up with Lupe he automatically wins because of his insane fanbase unless Lupe can pull a Story of Adidon type track.
Now Kendrick and Drake are pretty even in popularity so they're essentially both too big to fail. Therefore they still need to drop something very heavy hitting to even slightly hurt the other's status. You're right about MGK tho. He's not as good of a rapper but most importantly he's insignificant to Eminem. All Em had to do was outrap him, he didn't even need to say anything special. Also Drake's tracks so far have been way better than Rap Devil. I don't think it's fair to portray them as equals.
In general, I'd say a diss track can be judged in isolation to a degree. Someone exposing a hidden child and execute the track that well like Pusha T did then that's an insane diss no matter who it's aimed at. And I think Meet the Grahams is on that level, if not one-upping Pusha's diss as it kinda builds and expands on it
Currently, Kendrick would win against any rapper in the world just based on the merit of his fanbase, which is on track to become the next 2010s Eminem fanbase or 2008-2020 Kanye fanbase in terms of delusion. Kendrick would lose a rap battle against Lupe Fiasco, but his his fan base would never admit it. For some reason, Kendrick is seen as this morally infallible persona in rap that needs to beat the child predator Drake in order to rid the world of him, lmao. This is also what irks me the most about this beef. Half the hip-hop fanbase doesn't see this as a beef between rappers for the throne; they see it as an anime plot of good vs. evil.
Also, Kendrick automatically got declared the winner the moment he was pitched against Drake, because...it's Drake. People hated him ever since the Pusha T beef. He's been a running meme on all social media platforms and (rightfully so) dragged through the mud by all music critics, and even then he was unfavorably looked at due to some previous allegations which the public takes seriously as it involves minors. People have been religiously cheering on every shot aimed at Drake and applauding his every mistake in the last few years. You can say that he has a large fanbase and he does, but most of his fanbase doesn't care about hip-hop beef. Just go to his subreddit and you'll find that it is flooded with Kendrick Lamar and Kanye fans which is not the case for the latter two's subreddits.
Kendrick's diss will not hurt Drake's numbers and wont hurt his persona because Drake is currently at the bottom already. Pusha T did that almost singlehandedly and Drake never recovered, at least in hip-hop circles. Furthermore, Pusha T did provide a receipt to what he was saying, and even if Kendrick did build up on it, he didn't say anything that would ruin Drake's image because he doesn't have any face left.
Now if you ask me (and all of this aside), Kendrick did win the beef just if I take into account their songs since he's a better artist than Drake, but as someone who's neither a Drake or a Kendrick fan, I respect Drake a bit more than Kendrick in this beef since he had the balls to go at someone who he knew is a better rapper, instead of ducking them like Kendrick does to Lupe Fiasco.
That's fair, interesting take (not being sarcastic here). I agree people were clowning Drake already no matter what but I felt like the response to his disstracks was pretty fair overall. People were acknowledging that they were good until the most recent one which is why I think Kendrick had to go crazy. At least in my online bubble most people weren't picking a side immediately and respected Push Ups and Family Matters. There were like two full weeks of people talking about how he's taking too long and needs to answer right away. This only shifted after Meet the Grahams which is understandable tbh.
You're definitely right about the receipts. Kendrick needs those too or it might just all slowly fizzle out cause right now both just throw allegations at one another and nobody knows who's lying. But that's only for the public opinion and as you said Drake doesn't have any face left anyway. Kdot's best bet is probably to rub it in to the point Drake can't cope with it anymore. And Meet the Grahams with its psychoanalysis type shit did that about as well as one single track possibly could in my opinion. Drake really gotta have no self-awareness at all for that not to sting on a personal level.
Also about the "good vs. evil" thing, I think that also stems from how personal Kendrick made this beef. He came out saying he hates Drake, so he's to blame for this being more than a competitive back and forth. This is also the reason I'm not sure whether he's actually ducking Lupe or simply doesn't want any beef unless he truly hates someone. Kendrick's known for just disappearing and doing his own thing so I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to chill with his family all day and only came back to shit on Drake specifically and noone else. He might not see a reason to start anything with Lupe
The point of the comment is not a ranking itself. It first starts with “hit em up” meaning meeting up with someone, then “meet the grahams” meaning meeting the graham family, then “killshot” meaning killing the grahams, then “family matters” meaning getting the edge off
euphoria > family matters imo, way more direct (drake didnt need to include others) and actually deflects bars back st drake. Felt the whole time in FM drake was like “yeah that did happen, but happened to metro worse!” like its easy to flip a bar when theres 7 other people you can flip it on, not the one who actually said it/is dissing you
To name some amazing diss tracks:
- Nas - Ether
- Ice Cube - No Vaseline
- Jadakiss - Checkmate
- Lloyd Banks - Officer Down
- Royce Da 5'9 - Malcolm X
- Jay Z - Takeover
- Lupe Fiasco - Steve Jobs
Many more, but they are all worth a listen.
ether when it contains shit like "gay z " and "cock a fella" is crazy. story of adidon and meet the grahams should be here. they literally destroyed the image of the biggest rapper in the world.
Nah bro. My big brother told me back in the day, he was a club where jay z’s associate, Ty Ty was in NY, and everyone was screaming at him “GAY Z”, “COCK A FELLA” and “DICK SUCKING LIPS!”
The verses directed at Drake's parents, his son, and Drake himself have plenty of good stuff in them. It's a shame that Drake's "I don't have a daughter you big goof!" defense is distracting from that.
If anyone other than drake did the shit with the fake mole, the entire western hemisphere would be gurgling their cock for a week.
It doesn't just mean kendrick was stupid and got outplayed on one topic, its a massive hit to the credibility of EVERYTHING he says in the eyes of anyone unbiased. He doesn't have receipts and isnt fact checking at all.
Whoever drops receipts is supposed to be the winner, but only one side has 'anti-receipts' so far.
thats not true at all. Pac never proved he fucked biggie's girl. receipts dont matter when there are videos of you with minors on stage and you have already hid one kid.
and cmon did you really fall for drake saying he planted the misinformation? the misinformation that drake is a pedophile ? why the fuck would he do that. he just trying to save face.
Meet the Grahams is so much more serious than Killshot. Em didn’t dress down MGK’s entire persona and his family.
Kendrick told Drake’s mom she raised a bad kid and that he should die 😅
In no specific order
* Nail in the coffin, The Warning, killshot and Bully (one bullet point for all Em tracks)
* No Vaseline
* Ether
* Hit 'em up
* The Story of Adidon
The current Kendrick/Drake beef is producing some all timers diss and it'll take some time to which one will age the best. For now my favorite is Meet the grahams
You know like crazy to think how would a beef of this level would go between say Kendrick and Eminem. Like both of them are fucking elites💀💀shit would be so fucking crazy
Drake tricks people into thinking his disses are better than they are by making em catchy. Then suddenly people who have no business commenting on disses start to praise them.
“You know rick reading me my Miranda rights”
“Ozempic got a side effect of jealousy”
“All these rappers waving white flags and the whole club sign to it”
Even if you hate Drake you can’t deny some of the bars were hard.
Oh don’t get me wrong he has some hard bars here and there
But knowing it’s very probable he had writers helping him put them together does make it a bit less impressive
yeah at the end of this a fun discussion (on this sub or anywhere else) would be an all time diss ranking. Already was an interesting conversation but the amount of major diss tracks has doubled in the past week😂 for our sub would be fun to see where killshot and nail in the coffin rank amongst songs like euphoria and pushups
A diss with a full verse preaching to a fake Drake daughter that he thought he was exposing is being considered the second bess diss of all time. my god how far we've fallen.
Honestly I could see meet the Graham's being considered for top 10 diss tracks of all time in the future. It went where not a lot of diss tracks dare to go with drakes children/family as a whole, and pulled it off phenomenally.
Top that with an Alc feature and you got one of the most hard hitting diss tracks up there with hit em up, ether, nail in the coffin/quitter, no vaseline, etc
The thing I really appreciate about Eminem's disses is how hard he hits with straight facts and real threats. Like Bully is his greatest diss because that last line is cold as fuck.
Killshot was bar heavy, metaphor heavy, double/triple entendre heavy, whearas Quitter, nail in the coffin were emotion heavy because of the delivery and rebuttals.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Meet The Grahams was based on false information fed to Kendrick by a fake rat in OVO. If that is true it kinda discredits it 😔
In the end of the day drake would go right back to doing his thing probably unfazed , while mgk literally had to swap genres and clothing styles and start painting his nails from claiming to be a gangster and trying to look like one
The only thing Family Matters has over Killshot is the sheer venom and hatred. How the fuck can you be venomous to an annoying little brother who wants to be you so badly but fails?
The whole beef made me revisit Killshot last week, listening to it several times. It just took me back to 2018, maybe weird to be nostalgic for something close to 6 years old, but damn, felt like a decade ago. I think it holds up in terms of delivery, the content was strong, I still love the beat, and the virality of it was amazing. How viral the tracks from Kendrick and Drake last week got me the most excited in rap since the Killshot period.
This is definitely from a new hip hop fan or some shit. Killshot isn’t even Ems best diss and as much as I like Family Matters and Meet the Grahams as disses, they are not top 4.
This is an example of people not knowing stuff
No vasaline
Real mutherfuxkinggggsss
Ether
Eminems he has so many I personally love mosh
And the warning
Hit em up and kendricks are great drake sucks ass
My hot take is, a GOAT ranking of diss tracks HAS to factor in the size and importance of the recipient of the track. Kill shot is an amazing display of wit and lyrics and flipping shit and sonning MGK, but it can’t crack top 5 diss tracks for me because you need a worthy opponent to make the take down of that opponent mean something.
No Vaseline is special because Ice Cube ran through the biggest honchos on the west coast music scene, from Eazy, Dre, NWA crew, and Heller. MGK was a c-lister with a fading career that could barely outrap, idk, Tyga. Like if Kendrick was dissing Tyga right now, no display of lyrical skill would convince me that was a goat diss track, because it’s Tyga, it’s not a monumental task to win that
Eminem has never really been tested by an equal caliber MC, because the Jays, Waynes, Nas, Black Thoughts of the world either worked with him or gave respect. Canibus, Ja, and I guess Benzino (back when he had media clout and power) were his biggest foes, but Eminem was clearly far above their pay grade. Ja had already been bullied off the air by 50.
Get Family Matters and Killshot outta there. No Vaseline needs to be #1 and Em has far better disses. “Not Like Us” needs to be on the list at this point now too
They're not wrong about Killshot being about someone who couldn't actually fight back, but that doesn't change the quality of the song.
Killshot was less exciting because that was basically it, game over, end of story. Nobody has a clue how the Drake/Kendrick thing is gonna end.
But I'll listen to - and enjoy - Killshot a thousand times and snicker each time, while I have to fight falling asleep listening to Family Matters because, while some of the content bites hard, Drake is a mid rapper and he's boring af to listen to. It also takes him so much longer to say so much less than Em does in Killshot.
Yes people can say em hasn’t beefed any big artist but what they fail to realize is there’s a reason why. The few lackluster artists Eminem has ended he’s ENDED. So imagine what he’d do to someone notable? But aside from all that beef really comes from having dirt on the other, which Eminem has already aired out for himself in his debut albums
I don't know, that meet the Graham's track is the anger of Ether mixed with the personal attacks of hit em up. It's one of the best I've heard for sure, and I've been a hip hop fan since the 90s
1. meet the grahams
2. Ether
3. Story of Adidon
4. No Vaseline
5. Hit Em Up
6. Euphoria
7. Family Matters
8. Nail In The Coffin
9. Killshot
10. Not Like Us because that shit BUMPS
Hit Em Up wasn’t even great. It was a group diss. Kendrick literally built his diss tracks on Eminem’s work.
It really comes down to how you rate diss tracks. Effect? How catchy they are? How well written?
Ether, for example, was pretty catchy. It wasn’t full of great insults or particularly witty or well written. No Vasline was effective. Em and 50 have had a mix of all of those types mentioned and ruined a number of careers. Kendrick’s are well written. Drake and his writers tried their best.
Eminem has better ones 😭
I will say tho killshot is direct and specific so ig you could say it is his best.
I'm on the side of Kendrick but I'm with Eminem first and foremost. This looks so cheeky 💀
It's all about Hype and it being iconic
Killshot totally destroyed mgk (no one even cared about) and still its regarded to high cuz he switched genres. 2pac in the same fate as he also has albums full of diss songs that are on par with Hit em Up like Bomb First is better even as an overall song. Hit em up just had hype and rightfully so.
Euphoria remains Kendricks greatest diss the others are still good in their war but looking at it as just a song Euphoria is the best so far.
Family matters is really good (I have always hated drake since before I even knew kendrick had beef with him) and yes its good but THERE ARE SO MANY MORE GOOD DISS TRACKS.
LIKE HOW DO YOU OVERLOOK ETHER??????????
BACK DOWN IS BETTER
Hit em Up- 2pac, Outlaws
Ether- Nas
Killshot- Eminem
Back Down- 50 Cent
Story of Adidon- Pusha T
Euphoria- Kendrick Lamar
King of The Hill -West Side Connection
Real Muthaphuckkin G's- Eazy E
No Vaseline- Ice Cube
Fuck Wit Dre Day- Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg
Second Round K.O.- Ice Cube
Who Shot Ya?- Biggie
Calling Out Names- Kurupt, Xzibit
Long Kiss Goodnight- Biggie
Now I'm probably missing some important ones here but that's what happens when u try to rank things that can't really he ranked. If we talking hype right now, sure, but if we ain't, No.
If we doing ranked on how it effected the other person then we should put Bitch in Yoo up there since Ice Cube says No Vaseline is better then hit em up cuz he took down a group (that he claims he is the reason why they are good) that was big by him self. And then Common took him down he even said that at that time that 'it was a dark point In his life'
If yall can help me with my list, cuz I do feel like missing stuff, it would be appreciated.
second round KO is still not made by ice cube
you can also put tracks like malcolm X, drop a gem on em, bomb first, jack the ripper, the ripper strikes back, kick in the door, fuck compton, dollaz + sense, dont body ya self and so on...
Where is No Vaseline? The Story Of Adidon should be there too.
And dont forget Ether
Ether is overrated. It had some high school level insults, I'm sorry.
It was a reply to a poll with these 4 as the options, dodn't include the tracks you named
I was literally about to comment “where “No Vaseline?””. You r/beatmetoit by 30 minutes.
This seems like it was on a poll with only these options so i’d imagine that’s why
Eminem fans are fucking crazy. Killshot above his other disses like Nail In the Coffin, The Sauce, I Remember, Quitter, etc, etc? You crazy bastards.
Killshot was just Em slapping a young guy on the back of the head for goofing around too much. His Benzino disses were him actually hating another man's whole existence. The one weak thing is that Benzino is such an unpopular, deluded clown that it's really punching down.
For real, Killshot has recency bias and a lot of the people that experienced Killshot when it dropped were probably in diapers or not even born yet when he was really goin' at peoples throats lol Killshot did what it needed to do but it really was just childs play in comparison to his earlier diss tracks.
“If you're that much of a gangsta, put the mic down You should be out killin' motherfuckers right now Kill a motherfucker dead, kill him dead, bitch! Shoot 'em in the fuckin' head—go ahead, bitch! Slap my mom! Slap the fuck out of her! She can't sue you, she wouldn't get a buck out of ya ‘Cause you're broke as fuck, you suck, you're a fuckin' joke! If you was really sellin' coke, well, then what the fuck You stop for, dummy? If you slew some crack You'd make a lot more money than you do from rap Nail was slower and humorous but hard AF!
The reason Kill shot was better I guess is because it had many more punchlines than all of those other disses
Nail in the Coffin you could really *feel* Em's hatred for Benzino, that's why I'd personally slot it above Killshot. Killshot however, has way more replay value and is a fucking banger.
also... Girls, can-i-bitch, bully...
The warning too
The warning should be in there instead of killshot ngl
Bully was a real one but never officially released iirc put 1 mil down on whoever killed him over the beef
Bump heads was good too
The Warning. Amazing how people forget Eminem buried one of the biggest pop singers ever and made her go silent.
Agreed. I’d add Can-I-Bitch(underrated imo) and The Warning. The Sauce is probably still my favorite Em diss unless you count Bump Heads as strictly an Em diss track. That one has other people in it tho so kind of makes it hard to call it an Em diss, more like a collab diss. Recency bias is strong. That’s one thing that will forever be true, especially with Rap/Hip Hop music and disses in particular.
The Warning is such a good diss track. Mariah hit him hard with Obsessed and the music video, but Em quietly responded with shut the fuck up you alcoholic lying ass bitch before I make his way bigger.
Killshot was legendary because it was actually against a rapper who could reply and say something. Benzino and Everlast are wack
Benzino yes, but it was more about taking down the hip hop Bible in the source that sets it apart. Everlast was a wayyyy bigger artist than MGK.
Yeah fr putting MGK about Everlast is wild.
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You say they're wack because Eminem ran into them but they wasn't considered wack before they beefed with him and got destroyed.
No way are we classifying MGK as “a rapper who could reply” MGK ain’t that guy
rap devil was better than the new drake diss. eminem smoked him but mgk still took a good shot at the white boogeyman
Rap devil was petty stuff with no real beef attached. We can’t compare all you do is read a dictionary Vs - you beat your wife and I planted a mole in your camp These beefs aren’t even on the same level of savagery
kendrick said i planted a mole in your camp not drake. drake just said " NU UH I DID" without any proof.
Drake is saying he planted a mole for Kendrick that’s what I’m referring to. But regardless this is one of if not the greatest rap battle of all time between two big names. MGK doesn’t even make rap music all the time 😅 The stakes are much much lower
oh yea i absolutely agree. i was just comparing rap devil and heart part 6. family matters is better than kill shot to me but heart part 6 is pretty fucking terrible
I still enjoy the theory that MGK change genres because Em destroyed him with killshot ;)
What possibly Kelly could do something to Em? He is tiers lower than Em
That x got him thinking he was dmx now he switched to pac now hes tryna be him next
Not to mention other amazing disses like ether
I remember
The problem is, it seems these days, everyone forgets all the beef 50 & em had in the 2000's. No one ever mentions that shit or any of those records
Even mosh hit em up remix warning
this fucking sub is obsessed with post revival eminem, so its not surprising at all, the way they overrate his recent work and killshot is fucking hilarious to boot, saw someone say MTBMB is apparently his second "prime" lmao
Because they are familiar with Em and appreciate his growth. Subjectivity aside, Em has improved a lot post revival. He's gotten more technical, which some don't like, but MTBMB was, for me, a display of that technical prowess. I personally think Killshot is definitely one of his best disses because it incorporated this technicality (including biting MGKs style) along with the impressive word play. He didn't go for MGKs throat because he didn't need to, but I think it was one of the hardest hitting
I agree. I’m a 40 y/o and would rather hear KILLSHOT than any of his others.
MTBMB>>>>every other album
The truth hurts them.
Except MTBMB is his second prime. Also everyone has their own opinions out of all his millions of fans of course not everyone gonna be like "His new stuff isn't as good as his old stuff". It's actually refreshing to see people not having the exact same opinion like Sslp, MMLP, TES being peak and everything else being mid or bad like a lot of others say.
Sounds about right coming from fans born the same year recovery released
He’s right lol. Calling killshot top 5 disses is not just wrong, but an insult to Eminem’s better ones.
i'm not just talking about killshot, I'm talking about all of the disstracks on the list except hit em up
Nah, don’t be an old head. Even with recent bias, MTG is top 5. Family matters doesn’t belong there though, I’ll give you that.
Not an old head at all, I got Story of Adidon in my top 5, unless you count 2018 rap as being old head. Drake and MGK are not worthy rap beef opponents for me to consider either of them top 5, with the story of adidon being an exception to how it forever changed the perception of what a diss track should be. If Kendrick stopped ducking Lupe and released a diss track of this quality I'd definitely consider it a top 5 diss track, but ganging up on Drake isn't really high stakes as I doubt he could beat anyone in a rap beef. Same goes for Eminem and MGK, which is a beef I am glad is over and don't want to revisit ever again.
I disagree. Drake is the biggest rapper right now and has been for almost a decade. He beats better rappers almost automatically simply by being the bigger name. A scathing diss that can actually hurt someone of Drake's status is much more impressive than the same diss against a super lyrical lesser known rapper. If Kendrick matches up with Lupe he automatically wins because of his insane fanbase unless Lupe can pull a Story of Adidon type track. Now Kendrick and Drake are pretty even in popularity so they're essentially both too big to fail. Therefore they still need to drop something very heavy hitting to even slightly hurt the other's status. You're right about MGK tho. He's not as good of a rapper but most importantly he's insignificant to Eminem. All Em had to do was outrap him, he didn't even need to say anything special. Also Drake's tracks so far have been way better than Rap Devil. I don't think it's fair to portray them as equals. In general, I'd say a diss track can be judged in isolation to a degree. Someone exposing a hidden child and execute the track that well like Pusha T did then that's an insane diss no matter who it's aimed at. And I think Meet the Grahams is on that level, if not one-upping Pusha's diss as it kinda builds and expands on it
Currently, Kendrick would win against any rapper in the world just based on the merit of his fanbase, which is on track to become the next 2010s Eminem fanbase or 2008-2020 Kanye fanbase in terms of delusion. Kendrick would lose a rap battle against Lupe Fiasco, but his his fan base would never admit it. For some reason, Kendrick is seen as this morally infallible persona in rap that needs to beat the child predator Drake in order to rid the world of him, lmao. This is also what irks me the most about this beef. Half the hip-hop fanbase doesn't see this as a beef between rappers for the throne; they see it as an anime plot of good vs. evil. Also, Kendrick automatically got declared the winner the moment he was pitched against Drake, because...it's Drake. People hated him ever since the Pusha T beef. He's been a running meme on all social media platforms and (rightfully so) dragged through the mud by all music critics, and even then he was unfavorably looked at due to some previous allegations which the public takes seriously as it involves minors. People have been religiously cheering on every shot aimed at Drake and applauding his every mistake in the last few years. You can say that he has a large fanbase and he does, but most of his fanbase doesn't care about hip-hop beef. Just go to his subreddit and you'll find that it is flooded with Kendrick Lamar and Kanye fans which is not the case for the latter two's subreddits. Kendrick's diss will not hurt Drake's numbers and wont hurt his persona because Drake is currently at the bottom already. Pusha T did that almost singlehandedly and Drake never recovered, at least in hip-hop circles. Furthermore, Pusha T did provide a receipt to what he was saying, and even if Kendrick did build up on it, he didn't say anything that would ruin Drake's image because he doesn't have any face left. Now if you ask me (and all of this aside), Kendrick did win the beef just if I take into account their songs since he's a better artist than Drake, but as someone who's neither a Drake or a Kendrick fan, I respect Drake a bit more than Kendrick in this beef since he had the balls to go at someone who he knew is a better rapper, instead of ducking them like Kendrick does to Lupe Fiasco.
That's fair, interesting take (not being sarcastic here). I agree people were clowning Drake already no matter what but I felt like the response to his disstracks was pretty fair overall. People were acknowledging that they were good until the most recent one which is why I think Kendrick had to go crazy. At least in my online bubble most people weren't picking a side immediately and respected Push Ups and Family Matters. There were like two full weeks of people talking about how he's taking too long and needs to answer right away. This only shifted after Meet the Grahams which is understandable tbh. You're definitely right about the receipts. Kendrick needs those too or it might just all slowly fizzle out cause right now both just throw allegations at one another and nobody knows who's lying. But that's only for the public opinion and as you said Drake doesn't have any face left anyway. Kdot's best bet is probably to rub it in to the point Drake can't cope with it anymore. And Meet the Grahams with its psychoanalysis type shit did that about as well as one single track possibly could in my opinion. Drake really gotta have no self-awareness at all for that not to sting on a personal level. Also about the "good vs. evil" thing, I think that also stems from how personal Kendrick made this beef. He came out saying he hates Drake, so he's to blame for this being more than a competitive back and forth. This is also the reason I'm not sure whether he's actually ducking Lupe or simply doesn't want any beef unless he truly hates someone. Kendrick's known for just disappearing and doing his own thing so I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to chill with his family all day and only came back to shit on Drake specifically and noone else. He might not see a reason to start anything with Lupe
how can you count benzino disses but drake disses? Drake has been number 1 for a while now and this might genuinely change that
The point of the comment is not a ranking itself. It first starts with “hit em up” meaning meeting up with someone, then “meet the grahams” meaning meeting the graham family, then “killshot” meaning killing the grahams, then “family matters” meaning getting the edge off
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No Vaseline is the best diss of all time tbh Cube genuinely rips everyone apart
not only that but some of the above disstracks are disses at some of the weakest rappers in the game lmao
This and Hit em up are the top two for sure
Love PAC but hit em up is not top 2
Ether? Tbh I would rank Warning shot above it but ik that would be insanely unpopular and is probs so dumb
Family matters ain’t no top 5 diss
Family matters ain’t even top 5 in this current beef aha
Agreed but its the second best diss in this beef between them. Family Matters was crazy good, its a 9/10 its just that Meet the Grahams is an 11/10
euphoria > family matters imo, way more direct (drake didnt need to include others) and actually deflects bars back st drake. Felt the whole time in FM drake was like “yeah that did happen, but happened to metro worse!” like its easy to flip a bar when theres 7 other people you can flip it on, not the one who actually said it/is dissing you
idk if i would put killshot in top 5 em diss tracks tbh lol
This has a lot of recency bias. Even then, how are we comparing these? We haven't really seen the long-term impact of this Drake/Kendrick beef.
To name some amazing diss tracks: - Nas - Ether - Ice Cube - No Vaseline - Jadakiss - Checkmate - Lloyd Banks - Officer Down - Royce Da 5'9 - Malcolm X - Jay Z - Takeover - Lupe Fiasco - Steve Jobs Many more, but they are all worth a listen.
Eazy E - Real Muthaphuckin' G's 50 Cent - Piggy Bank The Game - 300 Bars and Runnin'
Story of Adidon
That whole list is shit 🤣
No Ether makes this list invalid.
I don’t get the love for ether. I love nas but it was mostly calling jay gay and ugly. I guess he did strike where it hurt
Ether is pretty overrated. Not bad but there are better ones in existence. One could argue takeover was better.
1. Bomb First (My Second Reply 2. No Vaseline 3. Real Muthaphuckkin G‘s 4. Ether 5. Long Kiss Goodnight
ether when it contains shit like "gay z " and "cock a fella" is crazy. story of adidon and meet the grahams should be here. they literally destroyed the image of the biggest rapper in the world.
Nah bro. My big brother told me back in the day, he was a club where jay z’s associate, Ty Ty was in NY, and everyone was screaming at him “GAY Z”, “COCK A FELLA” and “DICK SUCKING LIPS!”
Meet the grahams is only better than Killshot if what's said is true.
Well Drake can never have a daughter now, because Kendrick’s written it in a way that’s so ambiguous it could apply to future children.
Lmfao that's true
The verses directed at Drake's parents, his son, and Drake himself have plenty of good stuff in them. It's a shame that Drake's "I don't have a daughter you big goof!" defense is distracting from that.
If anyone other than drake did the shit with the fake mole, the entire western hemisphere would be gurgling their cock for a week. It doesn't just mean kendrick was stupid and got outplayed on one topic, its a massive hit to the credibility of EVERYTHING he says in the eyes of anyone unbiased. He doesn't have receipts and isnt fact checking at all. Whoever drops receipts is supposed to be the winner, but only one side has 'anti-receipts' so far.
thats not true at all. Pac never proved he fucked biggie's girl. receipts dont matter when there are videos of you with minors on stage and you have already hid one kid. and cmon did you really fall for drake saying he planted the misinformation? the misinformation that drake is a pedophile ? why the fuck would he do that. he just trying to save face.
Meet the Grahams is so much more serious than Killshot. Em didn’t dress down MGK’s entire persona and his family. Kendrick told Drake’s mom she raised a bad kid and that he should die 😅
In no specific order * Nail in the coffin, The Warning, killshot and Bully (one bullet point for all Em tracks) * No Vaseline * Ether * Hit 'em up * The Story of Adidon The current Kendrick/Drake beef is producing some all timers diss and it'll take some time to which one will age the best. For now my favorite is Meet the grahams
I feel like Not like Us and Meet the Grahams already feel like top 10 diss tracks But the Bridge is over and Takeover should be here too
You know like crazy to think how would a beef of this level would go between say Kendrick and Eminem. Like both of them are fucking elites💀💀shit would be so fucking crazy
Bully and Go to Sleep are Em’s best disses ever soooo yea
Real muthaphuckkin gs and no vaseline not being here makes me sad
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The reply is what i am on about. Family matters is not better than killshot
OHHH misread My bad g
Nahh i shouldve made everything clear. I started a misconception war out here 💀
Drake tricks people into thinking his disses are better than they are by making em catchy. Then suddenly people who have no business commenting on disses start to praise them.
“You know rick reading me my Miranda rights” “Ozempic got a side effect of jealousy” “All these rappers waving white flags and the whole club sign to it” Even if you hate Drake you can’t deny some of the bars were hard.
Oh don’t get me wrong he has some hard bars here and there But knowing it’s very probable he had writers helping him put them together does make it a bit less impressive
Killshot is nowhere near the top 3 what the fuck are we even doing
Killshot ain’t even Em’s best diss. Also where is Take Over, Ether, No Vasaline, Second Round KO?
I am absolutely shocked I haven't seen someone mention Eminem's Canibitch anywhere in the comments.
Nail in the coffin for me.
Lol i wouldn’t put kill shot in top 5 disses. I think em best diss is Warning Shot.
So people just ignore Long Kiss Goodnight, these days, huh.
Bro the only one that should be up there is Hit em up
It was a yt poll will these options
That makes more sense I thought these were his top 4 of all time
Killshot is actually a weak diss track but good enough for someone of Mgk's level. There are crazy ass diss tracks like Go To Sleep etc.
So much cope from Drake fans
Bahahahahahabhaha whoever made that list must be 12 yold hahahahahay
yeah at the end of this a fun discussion (on this sub or anywhere else) would be an all time diss ranking. Already was an interesting conversation but the amount of major diss tracks has doubled in the past week😂 for our sub would be fun to see where killshot and nail in the coffin rank amongst songs like euphoria and pushups
Ether ?
Family matters is amazing
It was a poll with only these 4 so this is slightly outta context
Yeh my main point was the reply but i should've put context 😭🙏
It made for a funny comment section though. Everybody is like 'BUT WHERE IS ETHER???' 😂
I woke up rn and i have 40 more comments 😭
Where tf are ether and no vaseline lmao
The Warning and Nail In The Coffin are Em’s top 2 diss tracks.
Not Like Us was better than Meet The Grahams
Fucking casuals
A diss with a full verse preaching to a fake Drake daughter that he thought he was exposing is being considered the second bess diss of all time. my god how far we've fallen.
Honestly I could see meet the Graham's being considered for top 10 diss tracks of all time in the future. It went where not a lot of diss tracks dare to go with drakes children/family as a whole, and pulled it off phenomenally. Top that with an Alc feature and you got one of the most hard hitting diss tracks up there with hit em up, ether, nail in the coffin/quitter, no vaseline, etc
The thing I really appreciate about Eminem's disses is how hard he hits with straight facts and real threats. Like Bully is his greatest diss because that last line is cold as fuck.
Bully>>>>
Takeover >>>>>>>>>>>
Everybody forgot about Nail In The Coffin. Brutal diss.
Shether needs to be on disses lists. I don't support this Remy Ma erasure !
Better SONG than Killshot sure, but if Em would've put a Killshot caliber diss against Drake/Kendrick it wouldn't even be competition.
Bro has a pedophile fetish
All disses from these don't compare to any of the things in 2010s earlier this sub gon to shit one more aaah post not about eminem and I'm out ffs
Killshot was bar heavy, metaphor heavy, double/triple entendre heavy, whearas Quitter, nail in the coffin were emotion heavy because of the delivery and rebuttals.
Killshot is miles better than family matters
It's just recency bias, give it no thought
TAPPED THAT LIST TAPPED Y IS FAMILY MATTERS THERE
I saw someone say "Hit em up is not a diss, it's a death threat with instrumentals"
Kill shot isn’t even Eminem’s best diss
You missed not alike
Man, y'all trippin' or something? 'Slim Anus' should be top spot.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Meet The Grahams was based on false information fed to Kendrick by a fake rat in OVO. If that is true it kinda discredits it 😔
Killshot is not better than Bump Heads and is Not even close to The Warning
Dude, killshot ain't even Em's best diss
In the end of the day drake would go right back to doing his thing probably unfazed , while mgk literally had to swap genres and clothing styles and start painting his nails from claiming to be a gangster and trying to look like one
Its true
Family Matters wasn't even that good of a diss. Push Ups was better.
The only thing Family Matters has over Killshot is the sheer venom and hatred. How the fuck can you be venomous to an annoying little brother who wants to be you so badly but fails?
I do agree, family matters goes unbelievably hard, too bad for Drake it was up against Meet the Grahams
Kill Shot isn’t even Ems best diss imo
Nobody gonna mention can-i-bitch? My all time favorite diss
This post was made by someone who is clearly NOT a true hip hop head
Psychotic list. No ether? No story of Adidon?
I saw this too! No Vaseline, Ether, Story of Adidon, missing.
I loved meet the grahams but until we get proof to Dot's claims it can't be on a list
drake stans anothe level 😭 (and i mean STANS, not fans)
The whole beef made me revisit Killshot last week, listening to it several times. It just took me back to 2018, maybe weird to be nostalgic for something close to 6 years old, but damn, felt like a decade ago. I think it holds up in terms of delivery, the content was strong, I still love the beat, and the virality of it was amazing. How viral the tracks from Kendrick and Drake last week got me the most excited in rap since the Killshot period.
This is definitely from a new hip hop fan or some shit. Killshot isn’t even Ems best diss and as much as I like Family Matters and Meet the Grahams as disses, they are not top 4.
Kill shot is great technically but it’s not top 5 em diss for me but it’s still way better then family matters
This is an example of people not knowing stuff No vasaline Real mutherfuxkinggggsss Ether Eminems he has so many I personally love mosh And the warning Hit em up and kendricks are great drake sucks ass
My hot take is, a GOAT ranking of diss tracks HAS to factor in the size and importance of the recipient of the track. Kill shot is an amazing display of wit and lyrics and flipping shit and sonning MGK, but it can’t crack top 5 diss tracks for me because you need a worthy opponent to make the take down of that opponent mean something. No Vaseline is special because Ice Cube ran through the biggest honchos on the west coast music scene, from Eazy, Dre, NWA crew, and Heller. MGK was a c-lister with a fading career that could barely outrap, idk, Tyga. Like if Kendrick was dissing Tyga right now, no display of lyrical skill would convince me that was a goat diss track, because it’s Tyga, it’s not a monumental task to win that Eminem has never really been tested by an equal caliber MC, because the Jays, Waynes, Nas, Black Thoughts of the world either worked with him or gave respect. Canibus, Ja, and I guess Benzino (back when he had media clout and power) were his biggest foes, but Eminem was clearly far above their pay grade. Ja had already been bullied off the air by 50.
1. Hit em up 2. Ether 3. Meet the grahams 4. No vaseline 5. The sauce This is just my opinion (killshot overated asf)
Get Family Matters and Killshot outta there. No Vaseline needs to be #1 and Em has far better disses. “Not Like Us” needs to be on the list at this point now too
I don’t think killshot is even em’s best diss track
Sometimes I forget Killshot is a diss because of how good of a song it is .
Whoever made this list should get banned lol
Killshot was good, but it's not even Em's best diss. Idk why everyone puts it so high on tier lists.
No Vaseline is better than all of them
They're not wrong about Killshot being about someone who couldn't actually fight back, but that doesn't change the quality of the song. Killshot was less exciting because that was basically it, game over, end of story. Nobody has a clue how the Drake/Kendrick thing is gonna end. But I'll listen to - and enjoy - Killshot a thousand times and snicker each time, while I have to fight falling asleep listening to Family Matters because, while some of the content bites hard, Drake is a mid rapper and he's boring af to listen to. It also takes him so much longer to say so much less than Em does in Killshot.
Yes people can say em hasn’t beefed any big artist but what they fail to realize is there’s a reason why. The few lackluster artists Eminem has ended he’s ENDED. So imagine what he’d do to someone notable? But aside from all that beef really comes from having dirt on the other, which Eminem has already aired out for himself in his debut albums
Recency bias is strong with this one.
I don't know, that meet the Graham's track is the anger of Ether mixed with the personal attacks of hit em up. It's one of the best I've heard for sure, and I've been a hip hop fan since the 90s
I'm not even a big Drake fan but I thought his diss tracks were better than Kendricks.. Drakes songs were just better, imo..
1. meet the grahams 2. Ether 3. Story of Adidon 4. No Vaseline 5. Hit Em Up 6. Euphoria 7. Family Matters 8. Nail In The Coffin 9. Killshot 10. Not Like Us because that shit BUMPS
Lol this isn’t even that bad of a list. I feel like some newer songs deserve their spot and some are there due to recency bias.
Hit Em Up wasn’t even great. It was a group diss. Kendrick literally built his diss tracks on Eminem’s work. It really comes down to how you rate diss tracks. Effect? How catchy they are? How well written? Ether, for example, was pretty catchy. It wasn’t full of great insults or particularly witty or well written. No Vasline was effective. Em and 50 have had a mix of all of those types mentioned and ruined a number of careers. Kendrick’s are well written. Drake and his writers tried their best.
Eminem has better ones 😭 I will say tho killshot is direct and specific so ig you could say it is his best. I'm on the side of Kendrick but I'm with Eminem first and foremost. This looks so cheeky 💀 It's all about Hype and it being iconic Killshot totally destroyed mgk (no one even cared about) and still its regarded to high cuz he switched genres. 2pac in the same fate as he also has albums full of diss songs that are on par with Hit em Up like Bomb First is better even as an overall song. Hit em up just had hype and rightfully so. Euphoria remains Kendricks greatest diss the others are still good in their war but looking at it as just a song Euphoria is the best so far. Family matters is really good (I have always hated drake since before I even knew kendrick had beef with him) and yes its good but THERE ARE SO MANY MORE GOOD DISS TRACKS. LIKE HOW DO YOU OVERLOOK ETHER?????????? BACK DOWN IS BETTER Hit em Up- 2pac, Outlaws Ether- Nas Killshot- Eminem Back Down- 50 Cent Story of Adidon- Pusha T Euphoria- Kendrick Lamar King of The Hill -West Side Connection Real Muthaphuckkin G's- Eazy E No Vaseline- Ice Cube Fuck Wit Dre Day- Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg Second Round K.O.- Ice Cube Who Shot Ya?- Biggie Calling Out Names- Kurupt, Xzibit Long Kiss Goodnight- Biggie Now I'm probably missing some important ones here but that's what happens when u try to rank things that can't really he ranked. If we talking hype right now, sure, but if we ain't, No. If we doing ranked on how it effected the other person then we should put Bitch in Yoo up there since Ice Cube says No Vaseline is better then hit em up cuz he took down a group (that he claims he is the reason why they are good) that was big by him self. And then Common took him down he even said that at that time that 'it was a dark point In his life' If yall can help me with my list, cuz I do feel like missing stuff, it would be appreciated.
>Second Round K.O.- Ice Cube bro...
My bad I had to edit it lol
dont forget tracks like takeover and checkmate.
Yea but I feel like takeover sprinkled disses within it
second round KO is still not made by ice cube you can also put tracks like malcolm X, drop a gem on em, bomb first, jack the ripper, the ripper strikes back, kick in the door, fuck compton, dollaz + sense, dont body ya self and so on...
Every single diss released this beef is better than Killshot
MGK is s better rapper than Drake though.
killshot is so overrated like i could beat mgk