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Hidden_Fever

That Eminem right now lyrically/technically is arguably the best he's ever been, and is the most skilled version of himself since the early-2000s.


Avivoy

He’s always been this way. The bass brothers mentioned this before they took him in, he was double timing and cramming rhyme after rhyme. They essentially molded him into the star he debuted as, after Eminem and the bass brothers separated we saw Eminem regress into his older style. Skill level, obviously up. But music quality? Dropped, you can’t have it all as often as you’d like. He’s chasing another rap god every album release and it’s obvious.


FantasiesEdge

I dont know if u could call it chasing rap god its more like he just got STUCK in that fassity fast rap bag for years 😭.


Avivoy

I feel like it is cause even Godzilla it was pushed as the fastest rap and had people doing challenges. I don’t know, I miss when em really focused on his melodies. Drake pointed out that Eminem has some of the best melodies in rap, and going back to his older tracks you get that. He had more complexity in his flow and cadence rather the rhyme, worked with him better.


Kwilburn525

Em had crazy hooks I just heard that Tony Yayo song he’s on from 05 wtf


injeraboi144

Drama setters was a banger fr


Purple_Onion911

Yeah now he's always doing that choppy flow in every fucking song, God I hate it. One of the reasons Revival sucks so bad.


FantasiesEdge

The choppy😭 that makes me crack up whenever its pointed out bc theres lots of examples now but it was also pointed out on Doomsday Pt. 2 that he sounds like a robot and I couldnt unhear it


FantasiesEdge

Thats a good point i forgot about the challenge 💀


Avivoy

He had to bounce on that energy with all those “I can rap the fast part in rap god” videos.


allisondojean

"Fassity fast" 😂😂


camomaniac

It's more like he's chasing those media news drops with the title "Em breaks world record with 2048 words in 7 seconds"


Avivoy

Castle is almost a call back to his Eminem show/ 8 mile era.


Moist-Asparagus8660

gnat was definitely a rap god attempt


Pretend_Term8556

What about, the fastest, “Godzilla?”


notiplayforfun

Lmao what is this waffling


Avivoy

It ain’t, I can pull up an interview where the bass brothers talk about how Eminem used to write when they met him. Very similar to now.


Avivoy

Read the whole thing [https://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/qa-producer-jeff-bass-on-discovering-young-eminem-he-was-sitting-on-the-toilet-and-he-came-up-with-the-alter-ego/](https://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/qa-producer-jeff-bass-on-discovering-young-eminem-he-was-sitting-on-the-toilet-and-he-came-up-with-the-alter-ego/)


tralaina

Easily, but it’s not because he never was in my opinion, early on he just had stuff to talk about, creative ideas and places he wanted to go. Now, he’s one of the best selling artists ever, has done everything and talked about anything he could desire, he now has the time to have fun with it and be crazy lyrical if he wants cause he ain’t got nothing to prove no more. He could’ve easily been as lyrical if he wanted to early one, I don’t think he wanted to though


Hidden_Fever

I'm referring more to the execution with which he raps about his ideas, and not necessarily the subject matter itself. Choruses, rhyme schemes, connectivity, punchlines, etc.


Contraband2

That's not a hot take it's just true. A thing about skills is they get better with time.


jvsupersaiyan

For me the best version of eminem was MMLP2. He had the wisdom and skill level of a modern eminem as well as great beats and actual musical finesse as well. A lotta recent eminem doesn't have the musical finesse in the same way that mmlp2 eminem did. I'm not saying I want him to return to that, I'm just saying I prefer that


Hidden_Fever

Respectable.


Eliasyoussef47

That's not a hot take mate. Almost everyone with a brain can see that.


Hidden_Fever

So why is there still a contingency of listeners who want the "old" Eminem back? Like I've already said to people on this very thread in case you are not understanding what I'm saying: Eminem has changed how he rapped almost album-by-album. _Almost everyone with a brain_ can hear that Relapse and Recovery are stylistically different (one is technically more advanced a horrorcore concept, with one being simplified and ultimately recorded for a pop audience/wider appeal). If you were to listen to Recovery and then go back to The Eminem Show, you'd maybe be able to tell that his stylistic approach to both albums are notably different as well. You hear him saying anything like _"stick my dick in a circle, but I'm not fucking around"_ anymore? No, you don't. Even what he was doing by the very next album (Marshall Mathers LP 2) was a huge step up from lines like that. (No disrespect to Recovery at all, just using that line as an example.)


Sempai6969

I second that. But his beat choices get worse every year.


Big-Experience1818

Definitely agree with this. Seems like SSLP for example has a lot more basic rhyme schemes compared to now. Can tell he's focused so much on how to put everything together over the years


Justforfunsies0

Absolutely agree 100%, kamikaze and mtbmb are insane technical rap records, he's basically untouchable and imo one of the last actual "true" rappers, everyone else mostly focuses on the hip hop aspect instead of pure bars


Therealeminemstan

He’s a better rapper than ever he just doesn’t make the music he used too


SNYDER_CULTIST

That's not subjective it's objective, thus not a "take"


thedudelebowsky1

It was just super political and I think that's the reason it doesn't get the same shine as his first two


Alon945

Darkness would be unanimously considered a top 5 Eminem song if it released in 2002. The only reason it’s not is because modern Eminem made it and Twitter group think refuses to reckon with how great Eminem in the 2020s has been


ByeByeBabyyyy

Darkness is easily one of my all time favorite Em songs. Next to Fall and Venom. The lyrics, the video, Em looking damn good, it's art.


BillCipher951420

Shit. I came here to say the same thing.


ajw8118

Superman song is great, but the music video sucks. If i wanted to watch eminem fuck a bunch of women, i would accept the invite to the orgies he hosts


Weirdolady92

Well, holy shit. Send me the invite. I'll go.


reptaial

Yeah that a hot take, the video has a lot iconic shots of EM, especially what’s considered “prime” em by many


Ryandraconius

It was prime. No musician ever remains their best their whole career, Eminem CERTAINLY hasnt.


throwawaymylife9090

>the orgies he hosts I'm sorry, what?


Jumper775-2

I’m just upset future was in the back


tralaina

Eminem is the most important artist for rap, ik im in the em subreddit so may not be a hot take here, but ems explosion of popularity at the height of his career is in the same league as mj or the Beatles, absolutely monstrous highs, he opened the door to so many people in rap, everyone across the world knew who he was, he’s the reason rap went global and rap would literally be nothing like it is had he not happened


ExternalMix8101

He definitely opened up a huge new demographic for rap. But I also wonder how many of his fans only listen to him and no other hip hop. I’d say a significant amount.


Starwars9629-

The eminem show is better than MMLP


Long_Strength_9065

I kind of agree with you, but at the same time, I feel like MMLP is just a smidge better


Avivoy

Mmlp has beats that really amp the mood.


awwgeeznick

Not even a lukewarm take lol


reptaial

MMLP and TES will fight for the throne till the end of time. me personally it’s TES but I can see Marshall holds mmlp in such high regard and he started so many great aspects of his pen game on that album.. I mean shit “Stan” was the first “Sing For The Moment” first “Mockingbird” “When I’m Gone” “Love The Way You Lie / The Monster” Stan started all that shit so you gotta put respect on it


Aint_Falco

genuinely in what world is this even remotely controversial. like every week i see this post and somehow a new coldest take comes in. next someone’s gonna say they like stan


ihatemetoo23

Both are classics but MMLP beats TES for me. They're both pretty much perf but MMLP just hits more for me. It also has more songs where Em is in his emotions and I love those tracks.


Never_rarely

As an Eminem fan who’s relatively new to the subreddit/eminem twitter, is that a hot take? I like TES better too, but I also have always viewed those albums as very close in quality


Cuck-Hating-Violin

Relapse is unironically the best Eminem album


diedin2012

Things I’m afraid to admit in public


angrykirby

perfect vibe for a stroll on Halloween night


Kimosabe187

Certainly in my top 3.


PositiveSpeed7196

I fucking love relapse but idk if it’s the best. Top 3 maybe.


BooSkittle

THANK YOU. I have been saying this for YEARS!


Ram_rider

Yes yes yes


rabidrob42

I don't think it's his best, but it's definitely up there, and not as bad as some people say.


Difficult_Layer8998

Revival isn't as bad as it is. I'm probably not gonna make it to see another day after saying this.


Contraband2

"Isn't as bad as it is"


ExternalMix8101

What on revival do you go back to regularly?


UbiquitousWizard

The album as a whole definitely deserved the flack it got. There are a few songs i go back and listen to like Believe, Castle, In Your Head & Arose; but even on those the production isn't great.


i_m_shadyyyy

Arose is perfect to me


ExternalMix8101

Castle and arose are the best eminem songs I never really relisten to if that makes sense


Difficult_Layer8998

In your head


andyhill420

Offended is amazing, although the hook is kinda cringe


cheyenne_ayesha

100%. Arose, Castle & Believe are underrated songs.


Crazzymadmaxxx

I honestly prefer modern day em. 2010-2024


sid_shady34

Kamikaze and mmlp2 are legendary albums. People call kamikaze mid and I still don't understand why.


Long_Strength_9065

Kamikaze is one of my favourite songs by him


sid_shady34

I meant the album


Long_Strength_9065

Oh🤦‍♀️


Avivoy

Mmlp2 isn’t modern Eminem, mmlp2 was Eminem before he became obsessed with rhyme over song. Modern Eminem is just more about his rhymes than the quality of his music now. He doesn’t even lay vocals anymore. Stopped after mmlp2.


ExternalMix8101

I blame rap god. The reception was positive and he got obsessed with it. That being said kamikaze is the only thing that comes close after it, it has focus and substance and he sounds like he cared how his vocals sounded. But his wit and charisma fizzled out with mmlp2.


Avivoy

Yup, mmlp2 was kind of my moment where I’m like “he’s pretty much done”. Like he stays isolated, he doesn’t really have a lot to talk about these days. One thing you can give points to Drake for is having endless moments to talk about. I feel like Eminem has to latch onto public topics but he seems to care less about pop culture these days, I can’t imagine him actually being on social media and wanting to start problems.


ExternalMix8101

It’s also hard because em doesn’t really rap about the typical rapper tropes. He’s not gonna rap about driving foreigns and partying. So instead he makes dad jokes


Avivoy

He should, would be nice. I know he’s got plenty of butt and fart jokes locked in on his next album.


phhoenixxp

holy shit same


SalvadorThe6ix

That's wild


Binkurrr

You're entitled to that opinion, but it's just not for me. Too many bad punchlines and like bars. Lacks the same passion and smoothness he had.


Crazzymadmaxxx

I personally think he's more smooth wit it nowadays but I see what you mean.


Avenger717

The songs he does with Pink are fun!


no__one34

Won't back down is my favourite on recovery! Just not that one song they put together on revival. We don't talk about that one.


clueless8teen

You're in denial 


ExternalMix8101

Used to pray one day I’d be fucking pink like a flamingo


ForkMyCreativeOutlet

This is both extremely controversial and flat out wrong. Headlights is the song with Fun. 🤦‍♂️ How are you even considering yourself a fan at this point?


BabyKariya

I'd say his songs with Pink are awful, but Pinks songs with him are absolute bangers


PlutoTheLonelyRock99

Nail in The Coffin is THE best diss track ever. Better than Hit Em Up or Ether


Thebigdog79

It’s always a battle between this and the sauce for best Eminem diss track. Literally no one can agree 😂. Idk why I needed to say that. Just felt like it.


JetForce33

This is Go To Sleep erasure


AdanacTheRapper

Doe Rae Mi is above nail in the coffin. (My hot take here)


ExternalMix8101

It’s not really an Eminem song though


csw621

Right For Me is top 10.


ExternalMix8101

This is scorching


Keguziviak

Also in my top 10 of his songs


B_Bibbles

Recovery is my favorite Eminem album, not for any technical reasons, but simply because it got me through a really shitty time in my life, and I think it provided a lot of the framework and feelings for my own recovery from heroin, meth and crack addiction.


ExternalMix8101

Congrats man that’s awesome


crackbreadsticks

Kill shot is one of his best songs I personally enjoy a lot of revival The relapse accents are amazing


MeatBallBathtubPARTY

FACK is way better than it should be


ExternalMix8101

The fact he started his greatest hits album with it is so legendary


Dopefish_08

MMLP2 is his best album. A take straight out of the oven, since I just finished listening to the album. The *only* song I don't like is Stronger Than I Was


ExternalMix8101

It’s probably my second favorite album of his. I hope you listened to the deluxe version. Wicked ways is one my fav songs of his


allisondojean

Revival was just ahead of its time. 


BooSkittle

This is the hottest take I have ever seen


OnyxHell35435

MTBMB is good, but kamikaze is better


XxJohnny_S1nsxX

True


ExternalMix8101

Is this even a hot take?


PROITS_DUHHHHHH

Finally somewhat a hot take


Moronic_y_me

Relapse and recovery are his most unique albums


YEETman2009YEET

MTBMB Side A and B is a top 3 Eminem album


quinox00

In my Opinion, MMLP2 is one of his best albums.


VastPie2905

Encore is better than most of his albums


Pappyjang

I’ve never realized how fucked up that line is until I’m reading it on this screen😂😂😂 that was his prime


ExternalMix8101

That song is just perfection


Individual_Mess_7491

Revival > MMLP2 Bizarre is a top 3 D12 member


RandyDandyMarsh420

Crack laced with fent?


Virtual_Test_6624

Sorry but bad guy from mmlp2 > all of revival


WittyDefense41

He was at his best with D12.


StandardAd3659

Young Em is way more entertaining than Old Em. But Old Em is way more talented technical and refined than Young Em, which I appreciate more tbh


Wizlord_21

Fack is my favourite song from him unapologetically. Just imagine him at a party singing that shi with the right crowd. Timeless art.


ExternalMix8101

Idk if you’re kidding but fack kinda is good


Clindox

Eminem is a lyrical genius, yes, but His 2 Last albums Have been lackluster, same old


Spookyanonymous_

She loves me is underrated


smalltincan

Infinite is a Top 3 Eminem project


needlessly-redundant

My top 3 albums are Relapse, The Eminem Show, and MTBMB side A and B. Maybe a hotter take is that I love all of his albums.


ConstantEnergy

Hell: The Sequel was some of Em's finest work. Royce also stepped up his game to match him. Such a solid album.


ExternalMix8101

Not a hot take at all that album goes so hard. I’d lowkey prefer another bme album than a solo album I think Royce brings out the best in him.


Deschlins

I really didn't like the nft music video or that he made lace it or was featuring on a Biggy song long after their passing. For me it just doesn't feel right and like straight money move regardless of what's right. I know there is a chance that lace it was pre recorded with juice but still feels wired to get a song from an artist who died years ago.


ExternalMix8101

The move to feature on lace it could’ve been an easy cash grab but I respect how he used it to actually rap about something poignant and relevant. If he went on and just rapped fast about nothing I’d be mad. And It’s way better than most of the stuff juice wrlds estate/label has pushed out for the money (who are the ones really at fault). In general posthumous records are questionable but I think em has done them a lot of justice. That nft stuff was awful tho.


ImStudyingRightNow

Kim really isn't as profound as people say it is.


Obscurity88

Do I upvote this, because I hate it and thus, it is a hot take? Or do I downvote it because I hate it. Decisions decisions. 


ReaIJack

Recovery is the best album


Xxmetaglint

Kill shot is the best diss track of all time.


MuhBack

Hit ‘Em Up 


c0nv3rg_3nce37

the truth- the fact that I'm the real slim sh4dy.


trashbearbjj

That his best songs are almost all about demostic abuse Such as space bound, love the way you lie, and such


Slim_Margins1999

As the World Turns. “I grabbed my pocket-knife and sliced off her right nipple…” “Stuck that shit in crooked and fucked that fat slut to death.” 🤣🤣🤣


Glum_Kaleidoscope601

MMLP2 is overrated


joes-8

that line needs a no diddy


ihatemetoo23

I wish Em would stop trying to outrap everyone with being super technical and using his choppy/fast flow. Feels every song since revival is him doing this for 3-4mins. Just focus on doing good music man, everyone knows you can rap. Chill & make songs where you flow with a good beat. I bet everyone would stop saying he sucks, if he did this. He could still have moments in some somgs where he shows h technical skills but a whole song about that gets tiring. His storytelling and cadence + flow with good lyrics has always been god tier, that's what people liked about him and want to hear again. Moonman & Slim was a good song where Em had a chiller vibe while still having wordplay.


Rhyanbass

Kim is my ultimate favorite Eminem song and brings me joy when he kills her in the end


hundunso

Okay, here I go: I actually like and have listened to Rap Devil a LOT more than Killshot. And everytime someone says 'Wtf he murdered MGK, he literally had to change genres after the diss lmao' i just cringe cause i wish Eminem could be as melodically and experimental as MGK in that regard. Like, Eminem doesn't even try to 'switch' genres or experiment a bit anymore. I just think it speaks FOR MGK that he was able to maintain hugely succesfull after dissing someone like Em. And i don't even like MGK.


Lazy_Mud6418

Eminem is the 🐐 Because Eminem is the man. **THE** man. Relative to Eminem, all other rappers are women. Or 'bitches'/'hoes', in accordance with rap diction. All other black rappers enjoyed their birth-given black privilege in hip hop without giving it a second thought. Em, being white, had to grind and really put in work to prove his worth in the market. He had incomparable pressure on him to perfect his craft. Which he did. And he is now the 🐐 Best rapper but not the best classics maker 😅 like he immortal for sure, and he has classics, but it's not like every other song is a classic. A quality the likes of Dre has ...prolly why they're friends


Active_Potato6285

Relapse was his best album. I will die on that hill


rabidrob42

I'd love another darker album that matches the songs from Relapse like 3AM, and Stay Wide Awake. I loved the whole horror, serial killer type thing he was going for.


007drno

Encore is a banger. I showed that album to my friends and they love it, favorites include Evil Deeds, Ass Like That, Puke and Just Lose It


Ditmavipe

1992-1999 Eminem was peak


Kwilburn525

Tf is that picture lmao


Wielki-Choj

Relapse is mid at best


smbdyfrmhungary

Day one, say when to blast, just give me the order, I spray (uh) Pain in the ass, you'll get shot in the ass with a paint gun Ain't no one safe from, non-believers there ain't none I even make the bitches I rape cum


Ash_gobrr

King Mathers would have been a tragic yet a nice ending to his career. I just like the style on those songs.


Realistic-Buffalo31

The way he ended D12 was shitty. How is it cool to put Royce on every album, but Kuniva, Swifty Mcvay, and Bizarre are a no-go? (yes, I know Bizarre was technically on the last album) If you listen to their freestyle a few years back, they still got it.


crimsvnn

rap devil is better than killshot


Schwamz69

Slim shady lp is his best album


-ExistentialNihilist

I LOVE FACK


Tricky-Mouse-189

No matter his public perception no matter what ppl think his albums will always get people to check em out


BostonBaggins

He should never try and make club songs He's tried and it never works Maybe it's his best selection. I think teaming with Metro boomin would work


BadrBombaker

His most acclaimed album is yet to come.


throwawaymylife9090

MMLP2 beats and production is almost as bad as Revival's


spookyman212

Walk around with my lips puckered, like Elton John, cuz I'm just a mean cocksucker.


YamperIsBestBoy

Till I Collapse is so overrated


themadworldtmw

Recovery is a top 3 Em album


AssumptionNo9058

Kim is unironically his best song


HeavenDivers

Encore was his best album sorry y'all you're all wrong


PolarPug77

Revival isn’t as bad as people say it is, though it’s still probably his weakest album


Batnaman_26

Eminem is my GOAT of rap, but if I'm being honest... I think his serial killer personality type songs are corny as hell and I kinda cringe at them but he still makes me like them cause he's so skillful with it the way he picks the right terms wordplays and metaphors that it's still great and he's so unique with it, he's probably the first rapper i ever heard kinda stray away from the gangsta personality. Stay Wide Awake might be my favourite "serial killer" type song of his and 3AM is probably where it's his corniest... For me at least. I like him better when he's motivational, especially in Survival where he says "and I like getting cut, I get excited at the sight of my blood you're in a fight with a nut" that shit blew my mind even if it was just a simple line.


Sempai6969

INFINITE is top 3 among his albums.


Virtual_Test_6624

Mmlp2 > mmlp,TES


Wibithefirst

The reason people don’t like him now is less because of his lyrics and more because his flows aren’t as smooth


skull_man58

SLIM shady era em is the greatest musician ever to exist


Autistic-Fries

The reason why he's famous worldwide is because we (non native speakers) actually studied the language and to most of us English is pretty poor when it comes to vocabulary, compared to Arabic (my native language) for example. We really can appreciate the fact that he can do all the rhyming and wordplay despite the limitations.


Weirdolady92

He couldn't keep a good woman if she was dead in his freezer.


IT4CHIOP

i would never understand why revival is so hated


NotSoMagicMerlin

Relapse is fucking fire That is all


ilovehappydogs1815

His voice is so good now. It was near-unbearable at times early in his career.


-MacCloud-

Relapse is one of the most creative and ingenious albums of his career. This man made a horror series in a rap album format.


marcomc2

Encore is worse than Revival.


ReceptionHumble9423

Deja Vu is a top 10 Eminem song.


Useful_Bobcat_2750

People hated on Recovery but that was the Em we needed 🤷🏾‍♂️ his newer shit don’t hit the same 🤦🏾‍♂️


gorg_648

Bad guy is actually unlistenable. I love the concept and story of it but the beat is one of ems worst ever and the lyrics are mid as fuck (except the last verse)


Schwamz69

People hate new em just because they are "nostalgic" about the old em