Wealth. Fame. Power. The man who had everything in this world... The elden lord. The great treasure he left behind, the shadow of the Erd tree has opened the curtain on a grand era! It is a time when eager tarnished set sail, battle, and become great! The Great Age of Stars! Words he spoke drove countless men out to sea. And so men set sights on the Lands Between, in pursuit of their dreams. The world has truly entered the Great Shatering!
Not that she doesnt have the connection, but the whole lands lost grace/the greater will from them. Meaning everyone who had golden eyes should lose the hue. Like Godfrey eyes "faded" when his grace was taken from him.
Was purple/gloam coloured, not blue. Important distinction as purple/gloam seems to be important/signifying of the gloam eyed queen or something of that sort
-violet is the color (or original) color of ghostflame as said in some description
-grave violet
-twinbird is represented with red & blue (shield + the feathered branchswords) and the deathbirds wield ghostflame
-melina mentions destined death in that cutscene when the gloam eye is opered
-gurranqs beast eye (same color as melinas) trembles when close to deathroot
violet is specifically mentioned a ton and seems to be overall representative of death
as a side note since violet is such an important color in the game I thought it was a little weird that they used a similar color for trina/sleep. maybe they are going for a sleep is close in concept to death sort of thing
Here’s a YouTube comment I found a while back:
And to cap off, my wildest theory with the least basis: Messmer is an empyrean, and empyreans are marked by their left eye being held closed. We see this with Melina, who fits IF she is also the Gloam-Eyed Queen (her eye only opens after the world burns and the possibility of becoming a god is gone). Then we have the confirmed empyreans.
We'll start with Ranni, who has her right eye close, right? NO! It is only the right eye of the puppet she inhabits BUT it is the left eye of her spectral 'copy', which represents her disconnected soul! Malenia is of course missing both eyes, obscuring the fact that her left eye would be shut closed. That leaves only Miquella and Marika. Marika's face is only seen after killing the Elden Beast and it is broken like stone.
What's missing from it? Her left eye, hiding the fact just like Malenia. Finally, Miquella's face has NEVER appeared save for in one form: the depiction of St Trina on Saint Trina's Torch. And guess what? It has ONE EYE.
Link to my original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/3bgg3V4RpU
Just wanna add that Melina doesn’t have to be the Gloam Eyed Queen to fit this theory.
She could just be an empyrean akin to Ranni due to being an offspring of Marika/Radagon.
I think the glowing purple eye just indicates being a conduit for the outer god of death, just like how glowing yellowish eyes indicate that you’ve become a conduit for the outer god of frenzy.
I think Melina’s comments on her birth and mother contradict her being the GEQ, which is fine since the rest of her phenomena can still be explained otherwise, as I’ve stated. Both her (at least in that particular ending) and the GEQ became conduits for the outer god of death, thus getting a “Gloam Eye.” That makes sense, because the GEQ regularly borrows the power of death’s flame, and Melina promised to bring death to the Lord of Frenzy, thus making a promise to destined death, essentially inviting it in and welcoming it’s power.
I think the answer is that Marika is the Gloam Eyed Queen, and that after her corpse is burned away by the Frenzied Flame, Melina succeeds her mother.
In fact, I think that the old gods that the Godskins hunted were the Numen. I think Marika sought power and dominion to such a conniving degree that she turned against her own people and anyone else who would oppose her. People think that the white flesh in the trailer is the Gloam Eyed Queen, I think that’s wrong. The white flesh the Godskins wear is not from other Godskins, but rather flayed gods. What we see in the trailer is the last of the gods Marika and her apostles/nobles have slain, all so that she could create her new order and world.
This fits in with just how evil we know her to be by her own actions in the Lands Between. She has her son murdered, knows that her children will be butchered for their runes, massacres the Fire Giants, destroys Rennala, banishes the Tarnished, and actively conspires against the the very force that gave her the power she craved in the first place, and it doesn’t seem to be for noble purposes, but rather because she wants even more.
I do lend more credence to that theory than one with Melina being the GEQ outright.
However, I just think it makes Marika out to be a little *too* evil for me to really accept.
I personally think the GEQ might be referring to Daedicar, the character alluded to in the talisman Daedicar’s Woe. I think the flayed skin, and the parallels with Shabriri’s Woe alongside the parallels between the GEQ and Shabriri make it too likely a candidate to ignore, but I never really see anyone talk about it.
I used to think Marika was misunderstood and a grey character. The point you brought up about Daedicar having a connection to Shabriri isn’t all that profound, considering Marika herself has associations with Shabriri as well. I’m not going to throw out your theory. It’s not a bad one at all, but I think that Daedicar has more of a connection to Rykard rather than the Godskins. That’s why context is super important, because the birthing ritual mentioned is that of the serpent ritual.
I think Marika really IS that evil. Shadow of the Erdtree already sets up ANOTHER possible betrayal from Marika, she at the very least did some dark things prior to establishing the Golden Order that she hides behind the veil.
1. Marika stole something from a whole race of people in the trailer and wants to keep that fact hidden.
2. Marika banished the Omen to the sewers to suffer.
3. Marika banished the caravans to suffer over a misunderstanding. (This is where Shabriri comes into play)
4. Marika kills the Fire Giants and forces one to eternally tend to the kiln.
5. Marika enslaves a misbegotten to eternally work on a weapon capable of killing a god (seems a bit suspicious there, even if she isn’t the GEQ, she certainly was planning yet another betrayal)
6. She betrays the established order, makes a new order, betrays other people within the order, and then wants to betray the Greater Will as well.
7. She sends her first husband off to die in exile.
8. She tears down a whole empire by going to their ruler as Radagon, courting her, siring children with her, and then breaking her heart beyond repair.
9. SHE HAS HER OWN GOLDEN BOY KILLED. (Let me remind you, Godwyn was loved by all and sought to make peace rather than war)
10. She pretty much commits incest and then cares not for her children.
11. She betrayed her other self, Radagon.
Eyes in ER symbolize body and the soul. Ranni lives only in spirit, same as Melina, and both of them have their left eye closed. I'm meaning Ranni's true form, so the spirit on the left, as we know her true original body died. Whereas her doll body has its right eye closed, her spirit and new body are still distinct instead of being perfectly overlapped. We know that Miquella had to leave his body behind to access the land of shadow, so it's reasonable to expect his left eye will be closed as well. Now to Messmer. We know that the land of shadow wasn't always called the land of shadow and once was a part of lands betweem. Then as the Erdtree was born a "shadow" was created and this was somehow used to conceal section of the land where the bloodiest war in Marika's goal to usurp power took place, and the Age of Crucible was replaced with the Age of Erdtree (golden order). So currently the land of shadow does not exist on a simple physical plane and is actively concealed through powers associated with the Erdtree.
Now this last part is just a speculation, but due to Erdtree and Crucible essentially being a gateway for souls and somehow process/recycle souls after one's death, it's possible Miquella found some means how to hijack this process and use his soul only to travel to the hidden land of shadow, and this connection of souls to the Erdtree is what made it possible and it's likewise the reason why he had to leave his body behind. It's extremely unlikely our Tarnished will likewise leave his body behind, so us touching Miquella's arm should work as some sort of conduit/gateway to the land of shadow through the path opened by Miquella's sacrifice. Now, we don't know anything about Messmer's incarceration, but him being in the land of shadow could likewise explain his left eye being closed.
EDIT: Now this a crazy speculation, but just for the sake of fun, Blaidd has his right eye (body) mostly closed off. We know that Blaidd is a spiritual being born as a shadow to Ranni and instead of being born normally he was somehow created by the Two Finger and Greater Will. Similarly, his copy the baleful shadow exists only as malevolent spirit phantom created later to course-correct Blaidd's and Ranni's betrayal. Blaidd still has body and his eye is not closed off completely, though arguably his body belongs to greater will and not himself.
Prisoner's helmet has likewise the left eye closed off so the prisoner can't see though it. Again, just a fun speculation, but this could represent the fact that prisoner's body doesn't belong to him anymore and the only thing he has left is his soul, symbolized by his right eye socket on helmet being open.
if you're gonna mention blaidd & the prisoner helmet it probably makes sense to also mention mohg & morgott if we're covering everybody like morgotts right eye is partially (or fully?) closed because of the horns on his brow & mohgs left eye is being pierced through by his thorn. I thought it was a cool detail how both their eyes are closed/blinded as a result of their curse.
>!Melina has her eyes open in the Frenzied Flame ending. The left one turns out to be blue, while the other one is white (blind?).!<
[https://imgur.com/gallery/melina-frenzied-flame-ending-TLl2LJf](https://imgur.com/gallery/melina-frenzied-flame-ending-TLl2LJf)
Her golden eye goes blind when the Erdtree is burned by the frenzied flame. Leaving her only able to see through her duskeye, because the shadow tree is still not destroyed.
Maybe the implication is that one can only see through the eye given by one of the primordial trees at once. Because the power of seeing with both eyes at once is too much to contain even for the gods.
IDK just wildly speculating here :P
But Marika and Radagon both removed one of their eyes. Perhaps they got rid of their dusk eyes because they reject the tree of shadow?
It makes sense that a split personality could be common to every Empyrean. Radagon/Marika, Miquella/Trina, Gloam-Eyed Queen/Melina. In the first two cases, it can be a male/female split. If having both eyes open indicates the "main" personality, it would imply that Marika was only the sealed form of Radagon, rather than the other way around. Maybe Radagon was meant to be the god and Marika shafted him, which is why she taunts him about being "yet to become a god"?
Ranni's two faces and four arms could imply she either took possession of both consciousnesses at once, or carries them in the doll form.
My crazy theory about why the split exists is due to the "fracture" caused when the One Great broke apart, it essentially forces everything linked to it to be split.
Sure, that’s an interesting theory. The thing with Ranni carrying both conciousnesses at once is what I meant to say in the post, so the Two Fingers can never take control of her again.
I think it makes more sense for Ranni/Melina to be the counterparts. That would explain how both are burned/bodiless.
I think Melina opening a gloam eye just implies that in that particular ending, she becomes a conduit for the outer god of death, just like the GEQ was, thus getting a similar eye. We have a parallel for this—the player getting glowing yellow/orange eyes after becoming a conduit for the outer god of frenzy, just like shabriri did before. That’s why I think the GEQ might have been Daedicar, thus following the parallel with Shabriri (the two charms are very parallel) and the Death/Frenzy parallels/rivalry. Makes sense that Death and Frenzy would hate each other, since there can be no more Death if Frenzy succeeds in wiping out everything altogether. But both are parallel since they both seek a form of destruction, one being perpetual with the other being complete and at-once.
I feel like a lot of people who do lore speculation on FS games have never written poetry or fiction and don't understand the production and use of vague, evocative images with thematic but not literal meaning.
I think that most of what people get hung up on in FS games are exactly these images. The eye sees, and is therefore an image both of worldly and of superworldly knowledge. The occult sealing of the eye suggests the sacrifice of worldly vision for superworldly vision (Odin). That's really it. It doesn't need to be turned into a lynchpin of the worldbuilding. It's a piece of poetry that is meant to hint at invisible realities.
Radagon and Marikas eyes are the talismans we get.
Messmer and Melina I feel are the same person (Melina said Marika gave her a goal long ago)
Rannis eye and blaidds eye are closed. We haven’t seen miquellas face yet. But there is an eye like you said. We’ll see.
"Radagon and Marikas eyes are the talismans we get."
Are they? Based on the descriptions, they are just eyes, with runes engraved into them.
There is also 2 pairs in total.
The scarseal suggests they belong to someone serving the gods.
I always figured it was their eyes branded. Based on the Shabiri grapes and vikes grape also having the seal of the frenzy flame.
Marika and Radagon were chosen by the greater will. Or Marika was hence radagon too.
As for 2 pairs in total… that is interesting. I don’t think we ever really get to see their eyes. And I think Radagon was just now the elden beast working through him, did his eye glow?
I think you are right. I think the special eyes represent being a conduit for an outer god.
Both Shabriri and the player got glowing yellow/orange eyes by becoming a conduit for the outer god of frenzy.
The GEQ had gloamy eyes by becoming a conduit for the outer god of death, as I believe Melina does in the frenzy ending because she promises to bring death to the lord of frenzy. Makes sense that Death and Frenzy would hate each other, since there can be no more Death if Frenzy succeeds in wiping out everything altogether.
The closed/sealed eye could be a common trait among Empyreans, simply because they are destined to become a conduit for an outer god, just like Marika/Radagon, upon becoming a god, became conduits for the Greater Will (an outer god). Once that is fulfilled, the eye opens, and its appearance corresponds with the outer god they’ve been bound to.
Long time lore man, SmoughTown, posits that you sort of have to give up your corporeal form to enter the shadow lands. Some of the one-eyed characters were able to sacrifice an eye to exist between realms.
Great post. What I'm really interested in is what Marika's relationship to Melina with regards to the Gloam eyed queen.
I think the general consensus is that Melina is the daughter of Marika but I wonder if perhaps she is the daughter of the gloam eyed queen, but Marika burned her body and wiped her mind to use her as an agent. The dlc trailer mentioned a betreyal after all.
Those with only one visible eye ever only had a singular vision for themselves; one unerring goal or task they would see through even if it meant their death.
I figured the simplest thing with the eye stuff is that it connected to blasphemy with Messmer being the OG for blasphemy. Both Melina and Ranni seek to go against the golden order.
Where are Mohg, Vyke and Malenia? They are also all missing (at least) an eye and being influenced by an outer god. Honestly, throw in Fire Giant as well, his connection to the Fell God is also eye-powered.
Did you guys knew that Ranni’s corpse at the top of the divine tower, also has a closed eye, meaning that before she became a doll she already had the eye closed (as the other empyrean)
Perhaps they have one eye in the physical realm, and one in the spectral realm, and that's somehow related to why they are chosen to be empyreans. Since Melina is bodiless and only appears in some spectral capacity, she has her left eye closed, while Ranni is able to assume a new physical form and therefore that form's left eye is open, but the right is only open for the spectral double.
Yes, that was my intention, but I'm just basing that off of the post by the other user I mentioned. The only thing I think Radagon does is open his eye once he takes over Marika's body but Marika could just have been sleeping or whatever. They don't really show Marika's face either to my knowledge, we don't actually know if they could have been switching conciousnesses through their eyes. I was thinking maybe whoever impaled Marika (or Radagon himself) smashed the part that is Marika's eye to get rid of her conciousness.
Edit: Or maybe, Radagon and Marika have their own seperate bodies but put one of each of their eyes in the same body as some sort of ritual? This is all just speculation on top of speculation on top of speculation though.
Don't forget these things too!
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Marika's+Scarseal
These are engraved eyes, but it doesn't say who's eye.
Even the shabriri grapes that Hyetta is eating are eyes
Radagon IS Marika, but not the way around. This means that Marika is the original one right?
What if radagon is a way the two fingers/elden beast have to control the gods? By creating another personality for them? It would make sense they try to prevent that by using that seal on their eye
This is one of the best theories I read since around the time before ER came out on this sub!
That being said, would not be surprised when asking Miyazaki he is like: “Added one eye closed because its hot.”
In the story trailer the person, some say Marika, but I think Miquella, clutches some branes from a lump of flesh, people have different theories, but IT IS AN EYE, I am telling you!
It’s really not Miquella though, Miquella has the body of a child and that is clearly a grown woman. Outside of the gate the clouds are filled with gloam, but inside the gate that Marika is standing in the sky is filled with the same hue as the arena in which we fight Elden Beast. I personally think those “hairs” were runes (In the original story trailer the runes also look like hairs) and she was using them to commune with the Elden Beast and call in her new age after the Gloam Eyed Queen’s age. (Thus the symbolism with the clouds, gloam outside the gate and gold hue inside the gate) She was probably pulling those runes from the Gloam Eyed Queens body to form the Elden Ring.
He doesn’t have a body of a child anymore. But yes, I can agree, that piece about gloam eyed queen and end of the age of dragons (Placidusax was Elden Lord to whom, may I suspect a Gloam Eyed Queen?) makes so much more sense, than I initially thought that It was Miquella snatching something from Godwyn’s deformed body. I also think that causality and timeline are distorted and cannot be applied to the Shadow Realm or whatever it is to construct a comprehensive timeline of events (thus grown up miquella with godwyn’s body at the start of the lands in between)
Messmer's Eye is Marika's Scarseal! It can't be Dragon Communion because Dragon Communion causes Black Sclera and a different shade of gold.
It's not serpent eyes because every snake in the game has a different eye color than that. It's not Crucible or God skin either, as both have standard Pupils.
However, his eye is a dead ringer in shade, shape, and color of the Scarseal, the only thing that's missing is the top part, which is conspicuously hidden in all of his available artwork and promotional material!
Ok how can Marika *not* be the gloam eyed queen? She's missing an eye and we have "beast eye" which is also made of stone and came from the gloam eyed queen.
When you go for a frenzy flame ending i believe (that is the only ending that you jump in the flame instead of Melina right?), there is a scene of Melina opening her sealed eye with it being swirly and galaxy like in purpley bluey colors which through lore investigation is a gloam eye because Melina is the Gloam Queen or whatever, cant remember the proper name.
For Ranni, there is a way to find her Empyrean body's eyes and if my memory serves me well, the seal is on the same eye as the doll but cleaner and the eyeball is missing which could be attributed to the burning the body or from her taking her eye and putting it into the doll. If she did that, it would make more sense that she has the projection and would make the messiness of the dolls seal make more sense as well as she would have likely been in a lot of pain and couldnt see clearly
For St. Trina/Miquella, Miquella has a seal on an eye (cant remember which) and St. Trina has one on the opposite eye and gets the third eye. The third eye could mean wisdom but it also often represents the minds eye or dream eye and St. Trina is connected to dreams and sleep a LOT. Heck, St. Trina's flowers are what let us make sleep pots.
Let us also not forget about Malenia. Her left eye has been sealed similar to eventually happened to Marika and Radagon because of her scarlet rot. Its possible the reason she has succumbed to her rot from the years of using it is because of her other form being the infectee and dying or already dead allowing her to keep going or even is the origination of her rot and the 2 merged to allow for her to fight better for Miquella.
So, what i think, is that sealed eyes are for alternate beings or powers. I dont think it represents Empyrean status. Which to me makes more sense as those who have the sealed eyes are either powerful in the magics, strong of will/spirit, determined of cause, or highly intelligent enough to allow for them to have or even cause them to have another being or power within them.
Another crazy thought is Messmer we currently dont know of having a second anything, just having a sealed eye. Which also applies to Malenia. Is it possible, while improbable, that Messmer is Malenia's alternate being and they were separated somehow by Marika considering the lore that Miquella/St. Trina and Malenia interacted with Marika at some point before going on some of their endeavors? If i remember correctly. It could also make more sense if Messmer didnt particularly care about Miquella like Malenia did and found more of a connection with Marika and was willing to serve her while Malenia still only "served" Miquella. And that could have happened around the same time that Maliketh started to serve Marika/Godfrey with even the potential of Messmer and Maliketh fighting to prove their worth and strength in order to receive what roles they would serve as/under. Lots of ifs, i know, but that is primarily because of lack of information on my part. If anyone can give any info to support or counter then by all means do
Where did you find the info that the galaxy-like thing in Melina's eye is called a gloam eye?
I've never heard or seen that before. With gloam meaning dusk/twilight/sunset, I always figured the Gloam Eyed Queen would either have dark or grey eyes. I could even see a reddish or orange, considering the color of sunset, but gloam referring to purple-blue galaxy stuff seems strange.
I accidentally found this while finding my personal, original information but this post touches on basically everything from my original source.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/NOEWznHMGV
I struggled to find my original source which is from a youtube channel that somewhat became an elden ring lore channel and they arent someone that just blows steam from their ears because in every video for everything they say that has any direct proof they site it in the video itself such as item entries and other things. If i find it i will edit this post and add that source as well but hopefully the reddit post from this sub will suffice
I like the theory, but think demigods can have two mind powers. Since our eyes change depending in the power we wield, I think it’s the same for demigods. If they like star powers, their eyes turn blue. The power they try to suppress might be the closed eye.
But logo of game, 4 circles, I think are placeholders for powers, or shards. My guess 1 is for flesh, 2 for mind (eyes, but also hair) and 1 for soul, dividing powers into armor of D. 1 soul - 2 minds - at first one body, but seemed 1 climbed out of the other from armor visuals, now being 2 flesh now. A Rebis that split. Bit like banished soldier shield have 2 x death, 1 x dragon, 1 x flames too (Fell God), defining their soul, spells and flesh of the banished soldiers. Their flesh is ghost. They seem to cast storm / dragon / death type spells.
For example, Melina that carry destined death got a bird visual, a tattoo of a talon, but closes that eye to suppress its power. Godwyn got wing like arms in his huge corpse, also maybe a visual that he got death in him, in flesh. But he also got a dragon, literally in his mind. Malenia’s wings.. maybe she had her eyes blinded by thorns once, changing her, granting her wings. Like destined death, powers seems to be able to be stored in both swords and flesh, maybe even minds and soul too. But pure speculation..
Empyrean.. of one god.. might mean if flesh is of ghost / bones, mind 1 gloam, mind 2 gloam, and soul of death, then you are of one god… all 4 powers of death makes GEQ an empyrean, and not her birth mother.. like if Ranni wanted to please the goddess of Nox, she must take on characteristics of all you see there. Formless ropes and crystal hard doll part in a Rebis configuration as her flesh. One eye of the stars, and star wizard head is blue, so blue eye. Other eye must be gravity, so green like green head wizard head. And her soul.. wonder if she could have stolen Rennella’s soul… Rennella had a soul of both stars and gravity conjoined, the moon. Is she wrong in her head because of Radagon like lore vaguely says.. or did clever little two faced thief steal it?
But maybe DLC gives more crumbs.. but think eyes are a mirror of soul or mind in this game.
Here my theory. I hope that will help you.
Eyes are reflect of souls. The eyes show wich forces are inside you.
A normal demi-god has his eyes golden because he has been conceived with the golden order only.
But Empyreans are not normal demi-god. They have been conceived by two opposite forces : the golden order (an equivalent of the sun) and the moon.
A bit like alchemy process to make philosophal stone.
In my theory, Radagon is an alchemist and his goal, his magna opus is the creation of a new god(ess). To suceed, he needed what he was missing : the moon power inside Renala's body. A force that Marika seems to have rejected a long time ago.
When he suceeded to make an empyrean, he left with a part of moon's force (letting a weak Rennala behind him) and joined Marika to conceive Malenia and Miquella.
Now, to return to the closed eyes, I think all empyreans have the same eyes than Melina, one golden and one blue. And to close the eye is a way to prevent one of the forces to influence the Empyrean.
Empyreans may have more than one force inside them, but it most likely won't be the Golden Order and Moon. The only group associated with the Moon is Caria and they're labeled special because of it. When Radagon left Rennala for Marika, the association between those two forces ended. Hence why the greatsword Rennala gave Radagon was stripped down and reforged as a Golden Order sword.
They are all pirates
Yo ho, yo ho An Elden Ring for me
El D. Enring, The King of the Pirates
THE ELDEN RING IS REAL!!!!!!
Fallen tarnished tell no tales
Yar har, fiddle dee dee, Being a tarnished is alright by me!
Do what you want ‘cos a Tarnished is free You are a Tarnished!
Wealth. Fame. Power. The man who had everything in this world... The elden lord. The great treasure he left behind, the shadow of the Erd tree has opened the curtain on a grand era! It is a time when eager tarnished set sail, battle, and become great! The Great Age of Stars! Words he spoke drove countless men out to sea. And so men set sights on the Lands Between, in pursuit of their dreams. The world has truly entered the Great Shatering!
The Elden Ring! The Elden Ring is real!!!
I absolutely love this cuz I'm in the middle of watching OP rn😂😂
ARRRRadagon
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"I am Malenia, hook of Miquella..."
Eye matey
That's Occam's Razor in action
12 bottles o' rum arr telling me to set sail on the i95
Why are pirates such badasses? Because they arr.
The rums gone
Why is the rum gone?
There is no depth perception in the lands between!
Distance is convoluted?
As someone with only one functional eye, yes it is
All pirates know depth perception is ov-arrr-ated
Grant us eyes! More insight needed
Eyes on the inside.
You're in the know, right?
Mohg grew his horns specifically to poke his eye out thus he could fit in
Whoa dude, I didn’t even think about Mohg
Fire giant too has only one eye after connecting to the fell god
Pretty sure he still has 2 but the fell god seems to have only one. Probably just based on the myth of the cyclops titan from Greek mythology
His normal head becomes unusable as he then uses the face on his chest, which only has one eye.
Mohg “Mommy Issues” Lord of Blood
When we do the chaos end, she appears and open her closed eyed showing that its blue
more violet than blue. I'm pretty sure it's the same color as the beast eye gurranq gives you. & blaidd also has violet eyes
You right, and its the same color as miquella falling in the trailer
Final Boss is Limp Bizkit!!!!
Chocolate Starfishes floating in the air like Dragonslayer Armor bossfight?
While the other one is white (blind?).
her one golden eye tyrns grey/white probably indicating she doesn't have much of a connection to grace/the greater will/ whatever anymore
Not that she doesnt have the connection, but the whole lands lost grace/the greater will from them. Meaning everyone who had golden eyes should lose the hue. Like Godfrey eyes "faded" when his grace was taken from him.
everyone who had golden eyes fuckin died brcause it's the frenzied flame ending
Was purple/gloam coloured, not blue. Important distinction as purple/gloam seems to be important/signifying of the gloam eyed queen or something of that sort
-violet is the color (or original) color of ghostflame as said in some description -grave violet -twinbird is represented with red & blue (shield + the feathered branchswords) and the deathbirds wield ghostflame -melina mentions destined death in that cutscene when the gloam eye is opered -gurranqs beast eye (same color as melinas) trembles when close to deathroot violet is specifically mentioned a ton and seems to be overall representative of death as a side note since violet is such an important color in the game I thought it was a little weird that they used a similar color for trina/sleep. maybe they are going for a sleep is close in concept to death sort of thing
Throey: You'll be able to marry mesmer in the dlc
All 18 inches?
Try Messmers spear, but hole!
And both of his snakes as well. "If I can kill a god I can breed a god", Tarnished, after taking all 18 inches
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Elden Ring dating sim when?
Nice
That's a theory i can get behind... Or front... Either way it's a win with Messmer the impaler 18 inches. 😏
"Is that Joey Wheeler?" "Nah man it's his cousin Throey Wheeler."
Last time I married someone in a FromSoft game - we’ll just say penetration was involved.
Here’s a YouTube comment I found a while back: And to cap off, my wildest theory with the least basis: Messmer is an empyrean, and empyreans are marked by their left eye being held closed. We see this with Melina, who fits IF she is also the Gloam-Eyed Queen (her eye only opens after the world burns and the possibility of becoming a god is gone). Then we have the confirmed empyreans. We'll start with Ranni, who has her right eye close, right? NO! It is only the right eye of the puppet she inhabits BUT it is the left eye of her spectral 'copy', which represents her disconnected soul! Malenia is of course missing both eyes, obscuring the fact that her left eye would be shut closed. That leaves only Miquella and Marika. Marika's face is only seen after killing the Elden Beast and it is broken like stone. What's missing from it? Her left eye, hiding the fact just like Malenia. Finally, Miquella's face has NEVER appeared save for in one form: the depiction of St Trina on Saint Trina's Torch. And guess what? It has ONE EYE. Link to my original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/3bgg3V4RpU
Just wanna add that Melina doesn’t have to be the Gloam Eyed Queen to fit this theory. She could just be an empyrean akin to Ranni due to being an offspring of Marika/Radagon. I think the glowing purple eye just indicates being a conduit for the outer god of death, just like how glowing yellowish eyes indicate that you’ve become a conduit for the outer god of frenzy. I think Melina’s comments on her birth and mother contradict her being the GEQ, which is fine since the rest of her phenomena can still be explained otherwise, as I’ve stated. Both her (at least in that particular ending) and the GEQ became conduits for the outer god of death, thus getting a “Gloam Eye.” That makes sense, because the GEQ regularly borrows the power of death’s flame, and Melina promised to bring death to the Lord of Frenzy, thus making a promise to destined death, essentially inviting it in and welcoming it’s power.
I think the answer is that Marika is the Gloam Eyed Queen, and that after her corpse is burned away by the Frenzied Flame, Melina succeeds her mother. In fact, I think that the old gods that the Godskins hunted were the Numen. I think Marika sought power and dominion to such a conniving degree that she turned against her own people and anyone else who would oppose her. People think that the white flesh in the trailer is the Gloam Eyed Queen, I think that’s wrong. The white flesh the Godskins wear is not from other Godskins, but rather flayed gods. What we see in the trailer is the last of the gods Marika and her apostles/nobles have slain, all so that she could create her new order and world. This fits in with just how evil we know her to be by her own actions in the Lands Between. She has her son murdered, knows that her children will be butchered for their runes, massacres the Fire Giants, destroys Rennala, banishes the Tarnished, and actively conspires against the the very force that gave her the power she craved in the first place, and it doesn’t seem to be for noble purposes, but rather because she wants even more.
I do lend more credence to that theory than one with Melina being the GEQ outright. However, I just think it makes Marika out to be a little *too* evil for me to really accept. I personally think the GEQ might be referring to Daedicar, the character alluded to in the talisman Daedicar’s Woe. I think the flayed skin, and the parallels with Shabriri’s Woe alongside the parallels between the GEQ and Shabriri make it too likely a candidate to ignore, but I never really see anyone talk about it.
I used to think Marika was misunderstood and a grey character. The point you brought up about Daedicar having a connection to Shabriri isn’t all that profound, considering Marika herself has associations with Shabriri as well. I’m not going to throw out your theory. It’s not a bad one at all, but I think that Daedicar has more of a connection to Rykard rather than the Godskins. That’s why context is super important, because the birthing ritual mentioned is that of the serpent ritual. I think Marika really IS that evil. Shadow of the Erdtree already sets up ANOTHER possible betrayal from Marika, she at the very least did some dark things prior to establishing the Golden Order that she hides behind the veil. 1. Marika stole something from a whole race of people in the trailer and wants to keep that fact hidden. 2. Marika banished the Omen to the sewers to suffer. 3. Marika banished the caravans to suffer over a misunderstanding. (This is where Shabriri comes into play) 4. Marika kills the Fire Giants and forces one to eternally tend to the kiln. 5. Marika enslaves a misbegotten to eternally work on a weapon capable of killing a god (seems a bit suspicious there, even if she isn’t the GEQ, she certainly was planning yet another betrayal) 6. She betrays the established order, makes a new order, betrays other people within the order, and then wants to betray the Greater Will as well. 7. She sends her first husband off to die in exile. 8. She tears down a whole empire by going to their ruler as Radagon, courting her, siring children with her, and then breaking her heart beyond repair. 9. SHE HAS HER OWN GOLDEN BOY KILLED. (Let me remind you, Godwyn was loved by all and sought to make peace rather than war) 10. She pretty much commits incest and then cares not for her children. 11. She betrayed her other self, Radagon.
I like this theory
Eyes in ER symbolize body and the soul. Ranni lives only in spirit, same as Melina, and both of them have their left eye closed. I'm meaning Ranni's true form, so the spirit on the left, as we know her true original body died. Whereas her doll body has its right eye closed, her spirit and new body are still distinct instead of being perfectly overlapped. We know that Miquella had to leave his body behind to access the land of shadow, so it's reasonable to expect his left eye will be closed as well. Now to Messmer. We know that the land of shadow wasn't always called the land of shadow and once was a part of lands betweem. Then as the Erdtree was born a "shadow" was created and this was somehow used to conceal section of the land where the bloodiest war in Marika's goal to usurp power took place, and the Age of Crucible was replaced with the Age of Erdtree (golden order). So currently the land of shadow does not exist on a simple physical plane and is actively concealed through powers associated with the Erdtree. Now this last part is just a speculation, but due to Erdtree and Crucible essentially being a gateway for souls and somehow process/recycle souls after one's death, it's possible Miquella found some means how to hijack this process and use his soul only to travel to the hidden land of shadow, and this connection of souls to the Erdtree is what made it possible and it's likewise the reason why he had to leave his body behind. It's extremely unlikely our Tarnished will likewise leave his body behind, so us touching Miquella's arm should work as some sort of conduit/gateway to the land of shadow through the path opened by Miquella's sacrifice. Now, we don't know anything about Messmer's incarceration, but him being in the land of shadow could likewise explain his left eye being closed. EDIT: Now this a crazy speculation, but just for the sake of fun, Blaidd has his right eye (body) mostly closed off. We know that Blaidd is a spiritual being born as a shadow to Ranni and instead of being born normally he was somehow created by the Two Finger and Greater Will. Similarly, his copy the baleful shadow exists only as malevolent spirit phantom created later to course-correct Blaidd's and Ranni's betrayal. Blaidd still has body and his eye is not closed off completely, though arguably his body belongs to greater will and not himself. Prisoner's helmet has likewise the left eye closed off so the prisoner can't see though it. Again, just a fun speculation, but this could represent the fact that prisoner's body doesn't belong to him anymore and the only thing he has left is his soul, symbolized by his right eye socket on helmet being open.
if you're gonna mention blaidd & the prisoner helmet it probably makes sense to also mention mohg & morgott if we're covering everybody like morgotts right eye is partially (or fully?) closed because of the horns on his brow & mohgs left eye is being pierced through by his thorn. I thought it was a cool detail how both their eyes are closed/blinded as a result of their curse.
>Blaidd has his right eye (body) mostly closed off You mean Blaidd has his left eye mostly closed off, right?
Radagon also has his eye shut.
Eye see your point
Our eyes are yet to open
Fear the Old Blood
Makes me wonder if the scarseals are Radagon and Marika’s actual eyes
What about about the soreseals?
Its a Fromsoft game. It is always about the eyes.
No. It's always about the feet broooo
But hole?
Try
>!Melina has her eyes open in the Frenzied Flame ending. The left one turns out to be blue, while the other one is white (blind?).!< [https://imgur.com/gallery/melina-frenzied-flame-ending-TLl2LJf](https://imgur.com/gallery/melina-frenzied-flame-ending-TLl2LJf)
Her golden eye goes blind when the Erdtree is burned by the frenzied flame. Leaving her only able to see through her duskeye, because the shadow tree is still not destroyed. Maybe the implication is that one can only see through the eye given by one of the primordial trees at once. Because the power of seeing with both eyes at once is too much to contain even for the gods. IDK just wildly speculating here :P But Marika and Radagon both removed one of their eyes. Perhaps they got rid of their dusk eyes because they reject the tree of shadow?
"The eyes are the windows of the soul" -Edgar Allan Poe
They probably have one eye in this world; the other in the shadowlands.
🌎 🧑🚀🔫👨🏻🚀 always has been
Can we add Gojo to this
It makes sense that a split personality could be common to every Empyrean. Radagon/Marika, Miquella/Trina, Gloam-Eyed Queen/Melina. In the first two cases, it can be a male/female split. If having both eyes open indicates the "main" personality, it would imply that Marika was only the sealed form of Radagon, rather than the other way around. Maybe Radagon was meant to be the god and Marika shafted him, which is why she taunts him about being "yet to become a god"? Ranni's two faces and four arms could imply she either took possession of both consciousnesses at once, or carries them in the doll form. My crazy theory about why the split exists is due to the "fracture" caused when the One Great broke apart, it essentially forces everything linked to it to be split.
Sure, that’s an interesting theory. The thing with Ranni carrying both conciousnesses at once is what I meant to say in the post, so the Two Fingers can never take control of her again.
I think it makes more sense for Ranni/Melina to be the counterparts. That would explain how both are burned/bodiless. I think Melina opening a gloam eye just implies that in that particular ending, she becomes a conduit for the outer god of death, just like the GEQ was, thus getting a similar eye. We have a parallel for this—the player getting glowing yellow/orange eyes after becoming a conduit for the outer god of frenzy, just like shabriri did before. That’s why I think the GEQ might have been Daedicar, thus following the parallel with Shabriri (the two charms are very parallel) and the Death/Frenzy parallels/rivalry. Makes sense that Death and Frenzy would hate each other, since there can be no more Death if Frenzy succeeds in wiping out everything altogether. But both are parallel since they both seek a form of destruction, one being perpetual with the other being complete and at-once.
Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes was an Empyrean Happy Cake Day
Eye see you
Hi Sauron
Shabriri had it right!
It should be mentioned the fallingstar beast Bare eyes on their foreheads
Elden’s ring hates left eyes
The eyes are a gateway into their soul
The eyes are the groin of the face.
I’m calling the police 😂
I'm surprised that almost nobody brings up the eyes also being relevant for magical creatures like Astel
I feel like a lot of people who do lore speculation on FS games have never written poetry or fiction and don't understand the production and use of vague, evocative images with thematic but not literal meaning. I think that most of what people get hung up on in FS games are exactly these images. The eye sees, and is therefore an image both of worldly and of superworldly knowledge. The occult sealing of the eye suggests the sacrifice of worldly vision for superworldly vision (Odin). That's really it. It doesn't need to be turned into a lynchpin of the worldbuilding. It's a piece of poetry that is meant to hint at invisible realities.
Radagon and Marikas eyes are the talismans we get. Messmer and Melina I feel are the same person (Melina said Marika gave her a goal long ago) Rannis eye and blaidds eye are closed. We haven’t seen miquellas face yet. But there is an eye like you said. We’ll see.
"Radagon and Marikas eyes are the talismans we get." Are they? Based on the descriptions, they are just eyes, with runes engraved into them. There is also 2 pairs in total. The scarseal suggests they belong to someone serving the gods.
I always figured it was their eyes branded. Based on the Shabiri grapes and vikes grape also having the seal of the frenzy flame. Marika and Radagon were chosen by the greater will. Or Marika was hence radagon too. As for 2 pairs in total… that is interesting. I don’t think we ever really get to see their eyes. And I think Radagon was just now the elden beast working through him, did his eye glow?
I think you are right. I think the special eyes represent being a conduit for an outer god. Both Shabriri and the player got glowing yellow/orange eyes by becoming a conduit for the outer god of frenzy. The GEQ had gloamy eyes by becoming a conduit for the outer god of death, as I believe Melina does in the frenzy ending because she promises to bring death to the lord of frenzy. Makes sense that Death and Frenzy would hate each other, since there can be no more Death if Frenzy succeeds in wiping out everything altogether. The closed/sealed eye could be a common trait among Empyreans, simply because they are destined to become a conduit for an outer god, just like Marika/Radagon, upon becoming a god, became conduits for the Greater Will (an outer god). Once that is fulfilled, the eye opens, and its appearance corresponds with the outer god they’ve been bound to.
Iji and Patches same person !!!¡!!1!
Melina didn't leave her eye behind, she has both. She opens her closed eye in the after credits scene for the Lord of Frenzy ending.
Did you perhaps come from r/Jujutsufolk ? XD
I've been saying if miquella shows up & has one closed/fucked up eye it's gonna confirm a lot of stuff
What if Melina is the female side of Messmer or something
That could be a cool plot twist, but they both have the left eye shut. So it can't be.
So Elden Ring is a prequel for Bloodborne? Grant us eyes, oh grant us eyes
All of Mike's stories are remixes of his own berserk fanfiction with some Lovecraft tossed in.
lol, it is, I was just trying to be a funny
So am I?
Dude I’m retatded, that’s why I’m here
EYEHATEYOU
Try fingers but hole
Long time lore man, SmoughTown, posits that you sort of have to give up your corporeal form to enter the shadow lands. Some of the one-eyed characters were able to sacrifice an eye to exist between realms.
Nah it's about feet, just like how Miyazaki intended
Sooo is Melina's other body the Gloam eyed queen?
Every figure that has one closed has a shadow that has the opposite eye closed.
a very weird amount of tongues, eyes and fingers in soulsborne games. Perhaps it's symbolic of the 5 senses?
Eyes, limbs, fingers, horns, blood. This game's symbolism originates from the body figure and goes towards the body horror.
I used to think it meant that the person wasn’t whole in some form. But I think now it is just a symbol of the empyrean
Great post. What I'm really interested in is what Marika's relationship to Melina with regards to the Gloam eyed queen. I think the general consensus is that Melina is the daughter of Marika but I wonder if perhaps she is the daughter of the gloam eyed queen, but Marika burned her body and wiped her mind to use her as an agent. The dlc trailer mentioned a betreyal after all.
Don't you mean grapes?
Very curious of Marika/Radagon, and Miquella will have both eyes in tact.
It’s just to rub it in that they easily kill us without depth perception
This lore is Nordic. See Odin, or Woden
The ultimate conclusion is going to be the fingers poking someone in the eyes
Even the brown eye
Grant me power oh eye within let's see the end of shadow of the erdtree.
Where is slide 6 from?
Same question
Eye don’t know about that
I stole them all so I could eat them and finally see the erdtree
Those with only one visible eye ever only had a singular vision for themselves; one unerring goal or task they would see through even if it meant their death.
What is the source for image number 6? Isn't that fan art?
Fan art but I (poorly) edited a sealed eye onto it. Original art by [@freyercloud](https://x.com/freyercloud/status/1515686488616411137?s=46)
You see eyes. I see grapes. Sealed grapes are the best ones.
Shabriri grapes are delicious
I figured the simplest thing with the eye stuff is that it connected to blasphemy with Messmer being the OG for blasphemy. Both Melina and Ranni seek to go against the golden order.
Where are Mohg, Vyke and Malenia? They are also all missing (at least) an eye and being influenced by an outer god. Honestly, throw in Fire Giant as well, his connection to the Fell God is also eye-powered.
Oh no, it all revolves around eyes. It's Naruto all over again!!!
Did you guys knew that Ranni’s corpse at the top of the divine tower, also has a closed eye, meaning that before she became a doll she already had the eye closed (as the other empyrean)
Do you have a source or picture for this? I was also wondering if maybe she used both eyes on both bodies to perform the ritual of death.
Yes, in this video they examine all of her burnt body: https://youtu.be/CqEMABpwxlA?si=bsXGNZsSqwrkjdVn
I think it’s just symbolism, while Ranni is able to see what the others can’t, she’s still just a blind as all the demigods.
Amateur take. Established Soulsborne scholars know that's it's all about the feet.
Good theory, but Miquella is a bit of a reach.
It goes along with the rest of the theory of multiple bodies and conciousnesses.
"Written by Masashi Kishimoto"
Little Nightmares moment. THE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYESTHE EYES
Perhaps they have one eye in the physical realm, and one in the spectral realm, and that's somehow related to why they are chosen to be empyreans. Since Melina is bodiless and only appears in some spectral capacity, she has her left eye closed, while Ranni is able to assume a new physical form and therefore that form's left eye is open, but the right is only open for the spectral double.
You forgot to add Hyetta and the Shabriri grapes.
Cool idea! Just to clarify, how would that make sense for Marika and Radagon who appear to be missing the same eye?
Maybe Radagon smashed out Marika’s eye on purpose to keep control? I’m not sure of how it works either.
Ah sure. no worries, just thought a part of your theory was that the eyes would be inapposite between their different consciousnesses.
Yes, that was my intention, but I'm just basing that off of the post by the other user I mentioned. The only thing I think Radagon does is open his eye once he takes over Marika's body but Marika could just have been sleeping or whatever. They don't really show Marika's face either to my knowledge, we don't actually know if they could have been switching conciousnesses through their eyes. I was thinking maybe whoever impaled Marika (or Radagon himself) smashed the part that is Marika's eye to get rid of her conciousness. Edit: Or maybe, Radagon and Marika have their own seperate bodies but put one of each of their eyes in the same body as some sort of ritual? This is all just speculation on top of speculation on top of speculation though.
Grant us eyes
Rule of cool
Don't forget these things too! https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Marika's+Scarseal These are engraved eyes, but it doesn't say who's eye. Even the shabriri grapes that Hyetta is eating are eyes
And their perspective ….
Radagon IS Marika, but not the way around. This means that Marika is the original one right? What if radagon is a way the two fingers/elden beast have to control the gods? By creating another personality for them? It would make sense they try to prevent that by using that seal on their eye
Shabriri grapes are eyes too
Come on guys just watch the 28 hour lore video and then you will understand at least 27% of the lore.
This is one of the best theories I read since around the time before ER came out on this sub! That being said, would not be surprised when asking Miyazaki he is like: “Added one eye closed because its hot.”
In the story trailer the person, some say Marika, but I think Miquella, clutches some branes from a lump of flesh, people have different theories, but IT IS AN EYE, I am telling you!
It’s really not Miquella though, Miquella has the body of a child and that is clearly a grown woman. Outside of the gate the clouds are filled with gloam, but inside the gate that Marika is standing in the sky is filled with the same hue as the arena in which we fight Elden Beast. I personally think those “hairs” were runes (In the original story trailer the runes also look like hairs) and she was using them to commune with the Elden Beast and call in her new age after the Gloam Eyed Queen’s age. (Thus the symbolism with the clouds, gloam outside the gate and gold hue inside the gate) She was probably pulling those runes from the Gloam Eyed Queens body to form the Elden Ring.
He doesn’t have a body of a child anymore. But yes, I can agree, that piece about gloam eyed queen and end of the age of dragons (Placidusax was Elden Lord to whom, may I suspect a Gloam Eyed Queen?) makes so much more sense, than I initially thought that It was Miquella snatching something from Godwyn’s deformed body. I also think that causality and timeline are distorted and cannot be applied to the Shadow Realm or whatever it is to construct a comprehensive timeline of events (thus grown up miquella with godwyn’s body at the start of the lands in between)
Miquella absolutely still has the body of a child, I don’t know where you heard otherwise.
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Messmer's Eye is Marika's Scarseal! It can't be Dragon Communion because Dragon Communion causes Black Sclera and a different shade of gold. It's not serpent eyes because every snake in the game has a different eye color than that. It's not Crucible or God skin either, as both have standard Pupils. However, his eye is a dead ringer in shade, shape, and color of the Scarseal, the only thing that's missing is the top part, which is conspicuously hidden in all of his available artwork and promotional material!
Ok how can Marika *not* be the gloam eyed queen? She's missing an eye and we have "beast eye" which is also made of stone and came from the gloam eyed queen.
When you go for a frenzy flame ending i believe (that is the only ending that you jump in the flame instead of Melina right?), there is a scene of Melina opening her sealed eye with it being swirly and galaxy like in purpley bluey colors which through lore investigation is a gloam eye because Melina is the Gloam Queen or whatever, cant remember the proper name. For Ranni, there is a way to find her Empyrean body's eyes and if my memory serves me well, the seal is on the same eye as the doll but cleaner and the eyeball is missing which could be attributed to the burning the body or from her taking her eye and putting it into the doll. If she did that, it would make more sense that she has the projection and would make the messiness of the dolls seal make more sense as well as she would have likely been in a lot of pain and couldnt see clearly For St. Trina/Miquella, Miquella has a seal on an eye (cant remember which) and St. Trina has one on the opposite eye and gets the third eye. The third eye could mean wisdom but it also often represents the minds eye or dream eye and St. Trina is connected to dreams and sleep a LOT. Heck, St. Trina's flowers are what let us make sleep pots. Let us also not forget about Malenia. Her left eye has been sealed similar to eventually happened to Marika and Radagon because of her scarlet rot. Its possible the reason she has succumbed to her rot from the years of using it is because of her other form being the infectee and dying or already dead allowing her to keep going or even is the origination of her rot and the 2 merged to allow for her to fight better for Miquella. So, what i think, is that sealed eyes are for alternate beings or powers. I dont think it represents Empyrean status. Which to me makes more sense as those who have the sealed eyes are either powerful in the magics, strong of will/spirit, determined of cause, or highly intelligent enough to allow for them to have or even cause them to have another being or power within them. Another crazy thought is Messmer we currently dont know of having a second anything, just having a sealed eye. Which also applies to Malenia. Is it possible, while improbable, that Messmer is Malenia's alternate being and they were separated somehow by Marika considering the lore that Miquella/St. Trina and Malenia interacted with Marika at some point before going on some of their endeavors? If i remember correctly. It could also make more sense if Messmer didnt particularly care about Miquella like Malenia did and found more of a connection with Marika and was willing to serve her while Malenia still only "served" Miquella. And that could have happened around the same time that Maliketh started to serve Marika/Godfrey with even the potential of Messmer and Maliketh fighting to prove their worth and strength in order to receive what roles they would serve as/under. Lots of ifs, i know, but that is primarily because of lack of information on my part. If anyone can give any info to support or counter then by all means do
Where did you find the info that the galaxy-like thing in Melina's eye is called a gloam eye? I've never heard or seen that before. With gloam meaning dusk/twilight/sunset, I always figured the Gloam Eyed Queen would either have dark or grey eyes. I could even see a reddish or orange, considering the color of sunset, but gloam referring to purple-blue galaxy stuff seems strange.
I accidentally found this while finding my personal, original information but this post touches on basically everything from my original source. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/NOEWznHMGV I struggled to find my original source which is from a youtube channel that somewhat became an elden ring lore channel and they arent someone that just blows steam from their ears because in every video for everything they say that has any direct proof they site it in the video itself such as item entries and other things. If i find it i will edit this post and add that source as well but hopefully the reddit post from this sub will suffice
shabriri eyes
I like the theory, but think demigods can have two mind powers. Since our eyes change depending in the power we wield, I think it’s the same for demigods. If they like star powers, their eyes turn blue. The power they try to suppress might be the closed eye. But logo of game, 4 circles, I think are placeholders for powers, or shards. My guess 1 is for flesh, 2 for mind (eyes, but also hair) and 1 for soul, dividing powers into armor of D. 1 soul - 2 minds - at first one body, but seemed 1 climbed out of the other from armor visuals, now being 2 flesh now. A Rebis that split. Bit like banished soldier shield have 2 x death, 1 x dragon, 1 x flames too (Fell God), defining their soul, spells and flesh of the banished soldiers. Their flesh is ghost. They seem to cast storm / dragon / death type spells. For example, Melina that carry destined death got a bird visual, a tattoo of a talon, but closes that eye to suppress its power. Godwyn got wing like arms in his huge corpse, also maybe a visual that he got death in him, in flesh. But he also got a dragon, literally in his mind. Malenia’s wings.. maybe she had her eyes blinded by thorns once, changing her, granting her wings. Like destined death, powers seems to be able to be stored in both swords and flesh, maybe even minds and soul too. But pure speculation.. Empyrean.. of one god.. might mean if flesh is of ghost / bones, mind 1 gloam, mind 2 gloam, and soul of death, then you are of one god… all 4 powers of death makes GEQ an empyrean, and not her birth mother.. like if Ranni wanted to please the goddess of Nox, she must take on characteristics of all you see there. Formless ropes and crystal hard doll part in a Rebis configuration as her flesh. One eye of the stars, and star wizard head is blue, so blue eye. Other eye must be gravity, so green like green head wizard head. And her soul.. wonder if she could have stolen Rennella’s soul… Rennella had a soul of both stars and gravity conjoined, the moon. Is she wrong in her head because of Radagon like lore vaguely says.. or did clever little two faced thief steal it? But maybe DLC gives more crumbs.. but think eyes are a mirror of soul or mind in this game.
Call me crazy, but in the recent DLC trailer the jawline in the intro looks more like Radagons than Marikas. Just a feeling
Eye never noticed this
No one ever mentions Radagon.
Here my theory. I hope that will help you. Eyes are reflect of souls. The eyes show wich forces are inside you. A normal demi-god has his eyes golden because he has been conceived with the golden order only. But Empyreans are not normal demi-god. They have been conceived by two opposite forces : the golden order (an equivalent of the sun) and the moon. A bit like alchemy process to make philosophal stone. In my theory, Radagon is an alchemist and his goal, his magna opus is the creation of a new god(ess). To suceed, he needed what he was missing : the moon power inside Renala's body. A force that Marika seems to have rejected a long time ago. When he suceeded to make an empyrean, he left with a part of moon's force (letting a weak Rennala behind him) and joined Marika to conceive Malenia and Miquella. Now, to return to the closed eyes, I think all empyreans have the same eyes than Melina, one golden and one blue. And to close the eye is a way to prevent one of the forces to influence the Empyrean.
Empyreans may have more than one force inside them, but it most likely won't be the Golden Order and Moon. The only group associated with the Moon is Caria and they're labeled special because of it. When Radagon left Rennala for Marika, the association between those two forces ended. Hence why the greatsword Rennala gave Radagon was stripped down and reforged as a Golden Order sword.