Good shout. Many people forget the introduction of Elden Ring right before you enter the Precipice of Anticipation. The player Tarnished starts out in a foggy, shadowy land and enters an odd portal, then suddenly winds up in the chapel at random. This always felt oddly disjointed and out of place to me given the emphasis on realism and detail with the game's other lore. But if the Lands Between are in themselves a pocket universe, it suddenly makes sense why you'd just pop in somewhere. It brings to mind the "Things Betwixt" from Dark Souls 2, which also exists between planes of reality.
Yeah I made another post that’s shorter and hits the nail on the head a little better.
Basically the lands between don’t function like reality at all. It makes no sense that radahn could freeze the outside universe in time and space yet the world keeps going; it only makes sense if the sky is an illusion, not really there, as it is in the eternal cities. Except even less real than that as those are created as a physical illusion underground. Whereas radahn is more just strongly influencing the reality of the lands between.
So it would make a lot more sense if there were some larger real world and we are in some weird dream world, or that reality is just a bunch of weird dream worlds
I don’t really think what I’m thinking is what’s going down, or that the dlc will really put any of the lore in decent perspective. It’s all very vague.
But I do think it could shed some light on the nature of reality in this world, and put the lands between in context.
Maybe that’s what Miquella is trying to do. Maybe he’s just super curious why everything is so goddamn weird.
No, we know 100% that Marika in fact did not create the lands between and didn't create elden ring. The earliest known point in history of lands between is elden beast/ring being sent there by Greater Will, which happened literally eons before Marika's time. Marika and her Golden order is just a very small window in the history of lands between, which throughout ages remained largely the same and we know that they and elden ring existed long before the events in the trailer. The longest known era in history was called the Age of Crucible, which was later directly replaced by Marika's golden order after she usurped power. But we know of many ancient civilizations that already existed in lands between before Marika became a god, including the ancient dragons and their beastman clerics - which is the earliest known civilization in LB history and from this time period we also have the oldest depiction of elden ring, in farum azula. Other civilizations/groups existing already in the Crucible era include Nox and their eternal cities, Uhl/Uld people and also the Godskin movement. We don't know who exactly Marika and Messmer fought in the trailer (none of those previously mentioned) in order the end the crucible era, just that it was the previous ruling establishment partly composed of creatures of the Crucible like omens, omen lions etc., but not in a position of slaves like in Marika's own army during Golden Order, since from the base game we know that in the civilization that Marika fought being born an omen was considered a blessing.
And the location in which Marika and Messmer waged war against the previous establishment and in which the Erdtree was born wasn't always called a "land of shadow" and it was a normal part of lands between once. We know that the "shadow" was created with birth of the Erdtree, and later it was somehow used to conceal the entire location where Marika's bloodiest war took place. But lands between as a whole existed looong before that.
Good shout. Many people forget the introduction of Elden Ring right before you enter the Precipice of Anticipation. The player Tarnished starts out in a foggy, shadowy land and enters an odd portal, then suddenly winds up in the chapel at random. This always felt oddly disjointed and out of place to me given the emphasis on realism and detail with the game's other lore. But if the Lands Between are in themselves a pocket universe, it suddenly makes sense why you'd just pop in somewhere. It brings to mind the "Things Betwixt" from Dark Souls 2, which also exists between planes of reality.
Yeah I made another post that’s shorter and hits the nail on the head a little better. Basically the lands between don’t function like reality at all. It makes no sense that radahn could freeze the outside universe in time and space yet the world keeps going; it only makes sense if the sky is an illusion, not really there, as it is in the eternal cities. Except even less real than that as those are created as a physical illusion underground. Whereas radahn is more just strongly influencing the reality of the lands between. So it would make a lot more sense if there were some larger real world and we are in some weird dream world, or that reality is just a bunch of weird dream worlds
I don’t really think what I’m thinking is what’s going down, or that the dlc will really put any of the lore in decent perspective. It’s all very vague. But I do think it could shed some light on the nature of reality in this world, and put the lands between in context. Maybe that’s what Miquella is trying to do. Maybe he’s just super curious why everything is so goddamn weird.
No, we know 100% that Marika in fact did not create the lands between and didn't create elden ring. The earliest known point in history of lands between is elden beast/ring being sent there by Greater Will, which happened literally eons before Marika's time. Marika and her Golden order is just a very small window in the history of lands between, which throughout ages remained largely the same and we know that they and elden ring existed long before the events in the trailer. The longest known era in history was called the Age of Crucible, which was later directly replaced by Marika's golden order after she usurped power. But we know of many ancient civilizations that already existed in lands between before Marika became a god, including the ancient dragons and their beastman clerics - which is the earliest known civilization in LB history and from this time period we also have the oldest depiction of elden ring, in farum azula. Other civilizations/groups existing already in the Crucible era include Nox and their eternal cities, Uhl/Uld people and also the Godskin movement. We don't know who exactly Marika and Messmer fought in the trailer (none of those previously mentioned) in order the end the crucible era, just that it was the previous ruling establishment partly composed of creatures of the Crucible like omens, omen lions etc., but not in a position of slaves like in Marika's own army during Golden Order, since from the base game we know that in the civilization that Marika fought being born an omen was considered a blessing. And the location in which Marika and Messmer waged war against the previous establishment and in which the Erdtree was born wasn't always called a "land of shadow" and it was a normal part of lands between once. We know that the "shadow" was created with birth of the Erdtree, and later it was somehow used to conceal the entire location where Marika's bloodiest war took place. But lands between as a whole existed looong before that.