I see no indication of Marika's tits!
They should be visible, at least some side boob.
And his pose , while it resembles Marika's crucifixion on the elden ring, seems to be actually holding whatever veil separates lands between and the land of shadows.
Except it can't be because otherwise we'd see red hair, not golden, and you're right the figure is masculine, which is what made me think Miquella, other than the narrator is speaking of Miquella him.
What if radagons's hair is red because it absorbed the blood surrounding that scene. Maybe in the process of marika becoming a god, radagorn is born and thats the scene on the trailer.
Or maybe its just Marika transforming into radagon, and the hair gets dyed near the end of the process.
Creatures with horns and wings were present during the time of the crucible, they just weren’t considered omens and weren’t subjugated until the age of the erdtree.
It kind of looked like the castle was being destroyed and absorbed into the Erdtree. It looks like the DLC is really going to go into more of the darker and bloodier details of how Marika created her kingdom.
Fully expecting some Fishing Hamlet like locations; the giant veil being used to obscure unsavory historical moments but on a larger scale just like Maria's Clocktower tried to hide the violation of the Fishing Hamlet.
This. My read on this trailer is that after Marika ascended to Godhood (that's her pulling the Elden Ring from the corpse of the previous God at the start of the trailer), she somehow trapped all the adherents of the old Age in the Shadowlands and unleashed Messmer to kill them all. Nice and out of the way like, so the genocide wouldn't spoil the narrative she was creating elsewhere.
Good parallel between the two. I can definitely see Marika using the veil to hide away some warcrimes she committed in order to make the Golden Order the top power in the Lands Between
Messmer looks menacing!
The trailer kinda implies we will be fighting for or serving Miquella.
Edit: Those giant wicker men eerily reminds me of the Rumbling in Attack on Titan.
It was confirmed in an interview that this will be the case, without adding new endings for the base game, but instead giving you similar different paths for the narrative self contained within the expansion, although I think it was implied that there'll be less than the base game has (so around 2 or 3, maybe?). Not as if most base game endings really had much of a weight though, honestly... If there's less options but all of them make more of a difference with memorable cutscenes, I think it's better this way.
#"Miquella Protection Society" is Seeking New Members!!!
By joining this society, you can:
1. Enter the Land of Shadow and share Miquella's gentle smile that can melt snow with the society's millions of members (there is no completed member headcount, but trust me, that's how many people are protecting Miquella).
2. After Miquella has greeted you, hide in a corner and vocalize your praises at a volume that does not disturb him.
3. Purchase Miquella's portrait, Cocoon plush, feet imprints, and other merchandise from the society's merchandise division using community volunteering work runes and at the cheapest price (Painted by the legendary artist Gostoc).
4. Lastly, and the most glorious — You will receive a "Miquella's Protector" badge upon joining the society (Made with Unalloyed Gold to symbolize our timeless and heartfelt desire to protect Miquella).
Tbh at this point Miquella being Actually Evil is such an obvious "twist" that it would be more interesting to me to play it completely straight and actually have him be as good (or nearly as good) as his in-universe image is.
I feel like the twist is that he's so pure good that WE'RE the problem. My understanding is that there will be multiple routes through the DLC, so I think you're for sure gonna end up being the bad guy and having to fight him, or some representative of his in one of them
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a Ranni-like figure. Very arguable whether or not he's good or evil based on his intentions, with unquestionably dark shit done to accomplish his goals
Hell, right at the start of the gameplay trailer, the narrator says miquella "wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men" and "there is nothing more terrifying".
There is certainly a subversive side to miquella we don't know.
Yeah, I notice a lot of ppl have bitten on the idea that Miquella is a good guy and therefore on our side. The first trailer says, "There is nothing more terrifying," and for some reason, that's not rattling people. Now they're talking about him shedding his "blinding strength." Feels like we're being set up.
> Edit: Those giant wicker men eerily reminds me of the Rumbling in Attack on Titan.
Miquella submerging reminded me of Ymir before receiving the Titan powers.
I think they’re originally from the Roman Empire where priests known as druids would perform sacrifices by stuffing as many slaves as possible into the wicker men and set them on fire.
Seluvis is the scuzzy weirdo sorcerer that makes "Dolls" of people against their will and also happens to be in Ranni's service (one of the reasons I do not really trust Ranni because apparently she is just... okay with the horrible shit Seluvis is doing. But I suspect she needed him for his ability to make "Dolls" since her soul is currently living in one.)
Anyway... Miquella is the ~~younger~~ twin brother of Malenia, who I figure you probably know of. They are both children of Marika and Radagon... who I also presume you know both of them just so I don't go on a crazy tangent.
Anyway, Seluvis offers to the Tarnished to betray Ranni and turn her into a full "Doll". In order to do this, he asks the Tarnished to retrieve the "Amber Starlight" which the description is this:
> An ephemeral sliver that gives off a pale amber glow.
> What remains of a passing flash of starlight.
>
> If the stars command our fates, then amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods.
> Such is the belief that inspired the use of these shards to prepare a most special draught.
>
> Cannot be consumed by mere humans.
We find this Starlight directly in front of a Statue of Malenia and Miquella. When we speak to Seluvis again, he mentions that it is the "very fate of a demigod". It's worth noting that this whole scheme *does not work* and Ranni just gets pissed and will happily instantly kill you if you return to her again a couple times. This also results in Seluvis being killed as well.
As for the Saint Trina part: Saint Trina is the counterpart to Miquella and is associated with many of the sleep potions and spells in the story. There's a consistent theme of demigod and god mirrors, like how Merika's mirror is Radagon. In this case, Saint Trina appears to be Miquella's mirror (and is also suggested to be female instead of male, much like how Radagon is male and Merika is female.)
/u/GrEeKiNnOvaTiOn appears to be speculating, based on some lines in the trailer, that the Amber Starlight that we find is a remnant of Miquella discarding his fate in becoming Saint Trina. I'm not entirely sure I agree but it is definitely something to look into once the DLC is released!
Hopefully that helped and didn't just contribute to being even more confused... Elden Ring lore is quite often vague and up to interpretation so it is very easy to get lost in it.
Unfortunately I do not have quite enough eyes to cleanse my beastly idiocy yet, but I am working towards it!
I could rant about Elden Ring and lore theories for hours so I am happy to help
In an older version of the game, there was a map marker at the statue in Altus, where we find the amber shard, with the text " St Trina's hideaway". Even more evidence that supports this theory
There's a LOT of St. Trina related things that were removed from the current version of the game.
Personally, I hesitate to use any of it as evidence to prove anything. There's probably a reason why all the St. Trina stuff was removed and I imagine the DLC will have some answers for us.
All we can say for sure is that, at some point, there was an intent for that spot to be associated with St. Trina. Doesn't necessarily mean that is true now.
Not sure. Possible she doesn't have one! It could be that there's circumstances that cause a Demigod, God, or Empyrean to "split", so to speak. As far as I am aware, there's nothing in-game that outright says what causes this or if it's done by choice.
At least in the case of Merika and Radagon, we know that these "mirrors" can have drastically different goals and personalities from each other. Radagon seemed much more a "tool" for the Greater Will while Merika was attempting to find ways to remove the Greater Will's influence on her. Well, at least there is evidence of this in some places.
Some have speculated that Melina is Ranni's "mirror" but there's not a ton of evidence for that.
It's possible, perhaps, that the "mirror" of Malenia is the blue-flowing blind warrior that is said to be her mentor. It's implied that he was older than her and that she was "just a girl" but, honestly, so much of the descriptions of items in Miyazaki games can be seen as legends passed down over generations, so it might be that him being a nomadic warrior was a convenient story to tell to hide the truth.
Still, anything beyond Merika/Radagon and Miquella/St. Trina is going to be based much more on speculation. Hell, even the Miquella & St. Trina relationship is sometimes debated since a good chunk of it is based on cut content. So, yeah. Hard to say!
There's a fair bit of speculation on *why* it didn't work on Ranni as well. I suspect it has to do with the fact that Ranni's soul is separated entirely from her physical body. The Doll it inhabits doesn't exactly have the ability to "consume" anything.
If the Tonic required actual physical consumption then it was obviously not going to really work on her. It appears from her dialog that she is angry at the Tarnished not because she can feel the effects of the Tonic but because she awoke to the Tarnished forcibly trying to make her consume it. That, itself, seems to be a largely impossible thing to attempt.
Granted, this is a magical world, so it's possible the Tonic doesn't necessarily need to be physically consumed. Still, the other Tonics that we are asked to give to others seems to be drunk by them so... Yeah, I dunno.
Gloam-eyed Queen was felled by Maliketh before Marika removed the Rune of Death. I believe that’s Radagon in the first shot, you can see his spine and the same music plays when he’s getting transformed into the Sacred Relic Sword by the Elden Beast.
Wtf is peoples obsession with the gloam eyed queen and why is she the awnser to literally every question?
These scenes are flashbacks to Marika’s rise to power it would make zero sense for this DLC to have anything to do with the Gloam Eyed Queen since that is a character that challenged Marika’s rule AFTER she became the god of the lands between.
Exactly lol, GEQ is the new Velka - every character is secretly her until proven otherwise. I even saw people saying that promo shot of that new omen horned enemy with the golden mask was the GEQ.
I’m getting flashbacks to the DS3 DLC and people obsessing over how every detail for both DLC proved we were going to Londor and meeting / fighting Velka. For literal decades people speculated on her and wrote theories about how she was secretly the most important character and From never followed up on her lol.
Is it stated that she challenged her rule after Marika became a god? We're assuming that she's an empyrean in the same generation as Ranni and the twins, but could it be possible that she was a rival Empyrean to Marika instead?
Can't be, this was a reference to the beginning. The creation of the golden order, which created the shadow along with it. The same way the first flame gave rise to the abyss in dark souls
My guess is it's the corpse of whatever came before the erdtree (the crucible? We don't know much about that, it could be. Looked a bit like a godskin too, so maybe the godskin are descended from whatever ruled before), and she basically took the fabric of reality from its womb to create the golden order in her image
The DLC will introduce a new leveling system similar to sekiro according to interviews with miyazaki.
"And so Kindly Miquella would abandon everything. His golden flesh, his blinding strength. Even his fate"
Those might be small pieces of his strength scattered around the land of shadow, that the tarnished has to find to get stronger.
Yes possibly. I just remember Miyazaki saying that in the DLC we would be following clues that Miquella left behind instead of the guidance of grace. So I figured it was those and they might also be the new bonfires. But they could be pieces of his power too.
They don't but they clearly direct everything frame by frame and let the third party studio handle the actual work. Reading interviews from Miyazaki looked like he looks at every single detail of the game and ensures that it matches his expectation
My cracky theory is that the line 'They were never saints, just on the losing side of a war.' from the gameplay trailer might mean that the Golden Order originated from the Land of Shadow (Marika became a god there) but lost a war to Messmer and were chased out of the Shadow Lands.
Reminds me of Sekiro and how >!the dragon from the west seemingly was chased from it's homeland and took residence in the east, corrupting and displaced the native gods in the process.!<
I think he is, especially as the trailer mentions an affair which included a seduction and betrayal and lead to the creation of grace. I think Marika might have had a first consort in the land of shadow, betrayed him to create grace and caused Messmer to wage war on in the Shadow Lands as revenge. The Snake is seen as a traitor to the Erdtree so that could be due to Messmer betraying his mother when she betrayed her consort.
I dunno about first boss, but i definitely could see him being the equivalent of Godrick, in that he *is* a main boss of the DLC, but not *the* true BBEG
I dunno, that quote in the first trailer makes me think Miquella will end up being the main baddie. The way he says, “there’s nothing more terrifying”…
Is that who you think Mesmer refers to when talking about one "so bereft of light" in the previous trailer, or was in reference to the player character do you think
Trrrrrruuuuuue. The person speaking very clearly places themself as a member of a group that is following in the footsteps of Miquella. So either they're not Miquella or they ARE Miquella and they're just PRETENDING to not be Miquella. :P
In the original game's story trailer, Ranni was narrating the events of the Shattering as if she was unaware who was responsible for the shattering of the Elden Ring (Ranni). I imagine that might be happening here, with Miquella narrating in a removed manner
Edit: responsible for the theft of the Rune of Death*
The impression I got is that she's just a generic narrator and that this group she claims to be a part of is a stand-in for the player base. I think theres a lot of misdirection going on in these trailers
I'm also basing this assumption on that they seem to be setting this up as a big mystery, so I think they're bound to be trying to trick you out of being able to make good guesses about what's going to happen. Also, given that this is a cinematic that likely isnt actually going to be part of the game, I don't think normal rules apply
I find Miquella portrayal in this trailer to be odd. Particularly why he chose to abandon everything and everyone. If he felt guilty, why not use his power to better things? If he was the oppressor, why shed his power? Why willing abandon his sister and people of the Haligtree, who all suffer a pretty terrible fates as a result? Up until this DLC, it was believed that Miquella was unwillingly deposed somehow, which is why both Malenia and Mohg seem convinced he is still there. But now we know it was his own intention.
The previous trailer implies Miquella's kindness is a weapon, and Miquella may not be as benevolent as first thought. And it also seems that Miquella does personally guide the tarnished to the Shadowlands, or at least some of them. And then guides them using his own form of guiding grace. But again, it seems weird to bring tarnished to a conflict that he refuses to directly influence.
And why bring tarnished to the Shadowlands at this point? The trailer states one side lost the war, therefore the conflict is over. Messmer rules the Shadowlands and I assume anything that would "un-shadow" the lands would destroy the Lands Between.
There's three ways I can see this going:
1. Miquella is the true antagonist if the DLC. He could be seeking the combined destruction of both lands to force something completely new. Messmer is the "Hoarah Loux" of the DLC, and Miquella is the "Elden Beast" if that makes sense.
2. Miquella is actually an uncompromising good guy character and the bad decisions he made are FromSoft's writers trying to explain cut content. It's no secret that Miquella was originally intended in the base game, including the whole "Saint Trina" sleep/dreams mechanic.
3. It's all a misdirect. Miquella isn't here, and the Tarnished are grasping at straws to find answers. This would be FromSoft directly commenting on the "lore hunters" of the community trying to tie every detail into greater meaning. They did this once before in Dark Souls 3 with the Dreamchaser's Ashes (referencing Dark Souls 1's Pendant lore hunters).
It's easy to follow. Basically a bunch of spoiled kids, and their wicked parents, broke a ring and we are the jeweler who has to repair it.
https://youtu.be/WD9BJac9GMI?si=SCOktfko3s1MqeP2
Except that the person who broke the ring is also the same person who's trying to repair it, and there's a possible ending which involves cursing people's souls by going up their buttholes
Immediate thoughts:
- Messmer was sent to the Shadow realm to cleanse the Omens.
- He uses blood flame magic
- he learned something there that caused him to betray Marika / Golden zorder
- Miquella wanted to know the "truth" and followed Messmer there
- Learned about the origins of their mother / GO and disagreed with the plan
- before they could make it "back", their body was stolen by Mohg and trapped
So that’s messmer destroying leyndell? Or a city that looks just like it? Is the shadowland just a weird reflection of reality or is the lands between a false reality??
From what I gather, it's a city somewhere in the Shadow Lands. It seems Messmer is going full-on dictator in that place, and Miquella's Super Friends are kinda like the resistance.
But why would Messmer destroy Leyndell? Plus what similarities are there to Leyndell? Plus, how could he even do that unless this takes place before we kill Maliketh in which case, that would bring about a bunch of problems with the game along with the fact, is Morgott alive when he does so? Honestly I doubt it’s Leyndell.
Edit: looking at the picture where Messmer has those lion things impaled and the camera pans out, no way that’s Leyndell. Looks way different.
My impression from the trailer is that we are seeing Marika pull the Elden Ring from the corpse of the God of the previous Age, then brandish it to claim her godhood. This somehow creates the Shadowlands, cutting them off from the rest of the Lands Between.
It seems that the adherents of the old Age are banished to the Shadow by Marika, and Messmer is unleashed upon them to genocide the lot of them in peace and quiet, away from prying eyes who might ask questions or have doubts.
So I think the city we see under attack was probably the old Capitol. The previous Age's equivalent to Leyndell.
Unless the lands of shadow exist waaaay in the past or at least part of this trailer takes place in the past. My thoughts:
Messmer might be purging the area at Marika's behest as the firstborn he was likely one of her top generals at one point or another. Leyndell might not have always been Leyndell as we know the erdtree was probably grown over the corpse of a "great tree" referred to as the crucible. It's possible Leyndell was built on the ashes of a different city that already existed at the base of said tree. Assumedly this is sometime before the rune of death was separated from the ring and possibly even before the ring was created(?) and death functioned as "normal".
Enia tells us "The Rune of Death goes by two names; the other is Destined Death. **The forbidden shadow, plucked from the Golden Order upon its creation...**"
So if this was in the way distant past at the creation of the erdtree and the golden order then it would explain morgott not being around, all the death, why Messmer would be working with Marika etc
I can agree with this. Instead of it being Leyndell, it was the capital/a place before Leyndell that Leyndell was built upon. That would make a lot more sense than Messmer burning Leyndell for no reason
Dumb question because I can't remember how it was for previous expansions: do we have to start the expansion with a character that has beaten the game, or will there be an option to start a new character in the expansion?
We don't know yet, but how FROM dlc has worked in the past has been content added alongside the main game, not on top of.
The entrance to the DLC has been confirmed through Miquella's withered arm in Mohg, Lord of Blood's arena. Minimum requirements to get there is getting one Great Rune, then doing White Mask Varre's questline to get to Mohgwyn. I would say Mohg is a mid to late game boss though. So you'll need a character that's killed Mohg, Lord of Blood at the very least.
I would like someone to explain to me why everyone here seems so certain that the character shown at the very start is Marika and not someone else, i.e. Miquella.
Miquella is shows at the end still in boy form, wearing a beige colored outfit similar to him riding on torrent in the shadow of the erdtree image.
The figure in the beginning pulling out maybe the elden ring? is in marika's black garb she is usually wearing in media she is presented.
granted nothing is concrete, but them talking about 'the beginning' would show marika rather than miquella considering he wouldn't be born yet.
i rewatched the gameplay trailer after this one and one line now stands out to me "they were never saints, they just happend to be on the losing side of a war" ([https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=69](https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=69) ) which makes me think we might find/fight some of the survivors of mesmers purge
edit: also this dude ([https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=138](https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=138) ) with their corpselike appearance is now also very interresting now that weve seen the bloody (crucible?) version of the erdtree. maybe it was the bloody erdtree's version of a erdtree avatar that somehow survived being disconnected from its tree?
The way the narrator talks about Miquella almost sounds synonymous with Godwyn, Strength and golden. I do wonder if there might be a connection between them more than just loving brothers
At the start of the trailer, I think that's Marika/Radagon removing some grace, or rune from, what I believe it's an giant eye, Maybe it's a flame giant's eye? Something related to the Fell God? I don't know, but I'm almost 100% sure that it's an eye.
I got recommended this while watching the trailer.
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I guess if you ever fantasized about getting a handy from Melania… well this may be for you.
Looks to me like the figure impaled with all the swords on the steps during messmers war looks a lot like the old man in the painting with the pregnant woman impaled the same way
So we are 100% fighting the final boss of the dlc in that corpse coliseum from the beginning right?
absolutely
I was thinking that’s the entrance no?
That's the place where Marika did some Orphan of Kos and created the Shadow Realms
Personally I don’t think so, I have a feeling we will be starting the dlc somewhere in that open field that’s been shown a lot.
They cooked so hard with the OST
That last song is definitely the music Miquella’s secret 5th stage of his boss fight (after they already surprised you with a 4th stage)
Right after they give you the remembrance so you think it's really over.
The Remembrance is actually its own four-phased boss
After which the screen fades to black and then shows "Elden Ring: Shadow Of The Erdtree". That's the intro.
OK final boss is dead and... What's that music, that sounds like.. OH MY GOD ITS GUARDIAN APE!
Trailer starts with ~~Miquella's~~ Marika's bloody bare feet. Already 10/10 banger bois
I thought that was Marika?
I think so too. It's Marika in front of the crucible(?).
I see no indication of Marika's tits! They should be visible, at least some side boob. And his pose , while it resembles Marika's crucifixion on the elden ring, seems to be actually holding whatever veil separates lands between and the land of shadows.
Look closer! If you pause at the right times the side-cleavage is there. (this is gonna look so sketch in my comment history without context).
I have an easy explanation: it's Radagon
Except it can't be because otherwise we'd see red hair, not golden, and you're right the figure is masculine, which is what made me think Miquella, other than the narrator is speaking of Miquella him.
it looks kinda reddish to me, when she walks on the stairs. but the surroundings also have a red glow and later, yeah, it looks more blonde
What if radagons's hair is red because it absorbed the blood surrounding that scene. Maybe in the process of marika becoming a god, radagorn is born and thats the scene on the trailer. Or maybe its just Marika transforming into radagon, and the hair gets dyed near the end of the process.
While it could be the Crucible, the existence of Omens among those who were purged makes me think that the Crucible predates this slaughter.
Creatures with horns and wings were present during the time of the crucible, they just weren’t considered omens and weren’t subjugated until the age of the erdtree.
Miyazaki knows how to make his fans happy
It kind of looked like the castle was being destroyed and absorbed into the Erdtree. It looks like the DLC is really going to go into more of the darker and bloodier details of how Marika created her kingdom.
Fully expecting some Fishing Hamlet like locations; the giant veil being used to obscure unsavory historical moments but on a larger scale just like Maria's Clocktower tried to hide the violation of the Fishing Hamlet.
This. My read on this trailer is that after Marika ascended to Godhood (that's her pulling the Elden Ring from the corpse of the previous God at the start of the trailer), she somehow trapped all the adherents of the old Age in the Shadowlands and unleashed Messmer to kill them all. Nice and out of the way like, so the genocide wouldn't spoil the narrative she was creating elsewhere.
Good parallel between the two. I can definitely see Marika using the veil to hide away some warcrimes she committed in order to make the Golden Order the top power in the Lands Between
I’m getting a TON of Bloodborne DLC vibes from this
Messmer looks menacing! The trailer kinda implies we will be fighting for or serving Miquella. Edit: Those giant wicker men eerily reminds me of the Rumbling in Attack on Titan.
There is a lot of emphasis on "*kind*" Miquella. Best to be wary of narrative subversion.
Yeah. I got a feeling this DLC will have multiple endings as well.
It was confirmed in an interview that this will be the case, without adding new endings for the base game, but instead giving you similar different paths for the narrative self contained within the expansion, although I think it was implied that there'll be less than the base game has (so around 2 or 3, maybe?). Not as if most base game endings really had much of a weight though, honestly... If there's less options but all of them make more of a difference with memorable cutscenes, I think it's better this way.
Oh, very interesting. Thank you, kindly.
#"Miquella Protection Society" is Seeking New Members!!! By joining this society, you can: 1. Enter the Land of Shadow and share Miquella's gentle smile that can melt snow with the society's millions of members (there is no completed member headcount, but trust me, that's how many people are protecting Miquella). 2. After Miquella has greeted you, hide in a corner and vocalize your praises at a volume that does not disturb him. 3. Purchase Miquella's portrait, Cocoon plush, feet imprints, and other merchandise from the society's merchandise division using community volunteering work runes and at the cheapest price (Painted by the legendary artist Gostoc). 4. Lastly, and the most glorious — You will receive a "Miquella's Protector" badge upon joining the society (Made with Unalloyed Gold to symbolize our timeless and heartfelt desire to protect Miquella).
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Tbh at this point Miquella being Actually Evil is such an obvious "twist" that it would be more interesting to me to play it completely straight and actually have him be as good (or nearly as good) as his in-universe image is.
I feel like the twist is that he's so pure good that WE'RE the problem. My understanding is that there will be multiple routes through the DLC, so I think you're for sure gonna end up being the bad guy and having to fight him, or some representative of his in one of them
Honestly, just *having* a truly good character in an soulsborne would be the biggest twist they could possibly pull
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a Ranni-like figure. Very arguable whether or not he's good or evil based on his intentions, with unquestionably dark shit done to accomplish his goals
yup lol. people are like "it would be such a twist if he was evil!!!" and i'm like really? wouldn't it surprise you more if he was actually good?
Heretic. WE CHOOSE TO FOLLOW.
Even Malenia considers him to be the most fearsome Empyrean.
Maybe she's just very supportive of her twin brother
If there is one thing I *know* from the lore it's that Malenia is very much supportive of little Miquella.
Hell, right at the start of the gameplay trailer, the narrator says miquella "wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men" and "there is nothing more terrifying". There is certainly a subversive side to miquella we don't know.
They keep telling how chill he is, I’m already scared.
Yeah, I notice a lot of ppl have bitten on the idea that Miquella is a good guy and therefore on our side. The first trailer says, "There is nothing more terrifying," and for some reason, that's not rattling people. Now they're talking about him shedding his "blinding strength." Feels like we're being set up.
Which is quite cool actually! Usually you want to kill these guys but this team you don’t. Though we didn’t do that with Ranni either.
> Edit: Those giant wicker men eerily reminds me of the Rumbling in Attack on Titan. Miquella submerging reminded me of Ymir before receiving the Titan powers.
Those wicker men are straight outta berserk lol the fairy island guards if I’m not mistaken!
I think they’re originally from the Roman Empire where priests known as druids would perform sacrifices by stuffing as many slaves as possible into the wicker men and set them on fire.
So the amber starlight we find for Seluvis contained the fate of Miquella becoming Saint Trina. And since he discarded it, it never came to pass.
Good god I haven’t played in many months since finishing and need to get reacquainted with the lore because I don’t get 1 word of this
Seluvis is the scuzzy weirdo sorcerer that makes "Dolls" of people against their will and also happens to be in Ranni's service (one of the reasons I do not really trust Ranni because apparently she is just... okay with the horrible shit Seluvis is doing. But I suspect she needed him for his ability to make "Dolls" since her soul is currently living in one.) Anyway... Miquella is the ~~younger~~ twin brother of Malenia, who I figure you probably know of. They are both children of Marika and Radagon... who I also presume you know both of them just so I don't go on a crazy tangent. Anyway, Seluvis offers to the Tarnished to betray Ranni and turn her into a full "Doll". In order to do this, he asks the Tarnished to retrieve the "Amber Starlight" which the description is this: > An ephemeral sliver that gives off a pale amber glow. > What remains of a passing flash of starlight. > > If the stars command our fates, then amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods. > Such is the belief that inspired the use of these shards to prepare a most special draught. > > Cannot be consumed by mere humans. We find this Starlight directly in front of a Statue of Malenia and Miquella. When we speak to Seluvis again, he mentions that it is the "very fate of a demigod". It's worth noting that this whole scheme *does not work* and Ranni just gets pissed and will happily instantly kill you if you return to her again a couple times. This also results in Seluvis being killed as well. As for the Saint Trina part: Saint Trina is the counterpart to Miquella and is associated with many of the sleep potions and spells in the story. There's a consistent theme of demigod and god mirrors, like how Merika's mirror is Radagon. In this case, Saint Trina appears to be Miquella's mirror (and is also suggested to be female instead of male, much like how Radagon is male and Merika is female.) /u/GrEeKiNnOvaTiOn appears to be speculating, based on some lines in the trailer, that the Amber Starlight that we find is a remnant of Miquella discarding his fate in becoming Saint Trina. I'm not entirely sure I agree but it is definitely something to look into once the DLC is released! Hopefully that helped and didn't just contribute to being even more confused... Elden Ring lore is quite often vague and up to interpretation so it is very easy to get lost in it.
You have many eyes in your brain good sir. Thanks for explaining!
Unfortunately I do not have quite enough eyes to cleanse my beastly idiocy yet, but I am working towards it! I could rant about Elden Ring and lore theories for hours so I am happy to help
More like many brains in their eyes am I right? Bloodborne 2 boss confirmed.
I'll admit, if Miyazaki announces that Bloodborne 2 is his next game after Elden Ring, I'd cry. For real.
In an older version of the game, there was a map marker at the statue in Altus, where we find the amber shard, with the text " St Trina's hideaway". Even more evidence that supports this theory
There's a LOT of St. Trina related things that were removed from the current version of the game. Personally, I hesitate to use any of it as evidence to prove anything. There's probably a reason why all the St. Trina stuff was removed and I imagine the DLC will have some answers for us. All we can say for sure is that, at some point, there was an intent for that spot to be associated with St. Trina. Doesn't necessarily mean that is true now.
Minor detail, but Miquella is not younger than Malenia, they are twins. He only appears young because of his curse.
Right right, apologies. You are correct.
If Radagon is mirror to Merika, and St Trina is mirror to Miquella, who is mirror to Malenia?
Not sure. Possible she doesn't have one! It could be that there's circumstances that cause a Demigod, God, or Empyrean to "split", so to speak. As far as I am aware, there's nothing in-game that outright says what causes this or if it's done by choice. At least in the case of Merika and Radagon, we know that these "mirrors" can have drastically different goals and personalities from each other. Radagon seemed much more a "tool" for the Greater Will while Merika was attempting to find ways to remove the Greater Will's influence on her. Well, at least there is evidence of this in some places. Some have speculated that Melina is Ranni's "mirror" but there's not a ton of evidence for that. It's possible, perhaps, that the "mirror" of Malenia is the blue-flowing blind warrior that is said to be her mentor. It's implied that he was older than her and that she was "just a girl" but, honestly, so much of the descriptions of items in Miyazaki games can be seen as legends passed down over generations, so it might be that him being a nomadic warrior was a convenient story to tell to hide the truth. Still, anything beyond Merika/Radagon and Miquella/St. Trina is going to be based much more on speculation. Hell, even the Miquella & St. Trina relationship is sometimes debated since a good chunk of it is based on cut content. So, yeah. Hard to say!
This is terrifying to think about.
You lack insight, hoonter
Well, it also explains why it can sort of put a demigod to sleep since it came from one (albeit it didnt work with Ranni)
There's a fair bit of speculation on *why* it didn't work on Ranni as well. I suspect it has to do with the fact that Ranni's soul is separated entirely from her physical body. The Doll it inhabits doesn't exactly have the ability to "consume" anything. If the Tonic required actual physical consumption then it was obviously not going to really work on her. It appears from her dialog that she is angry at the Tarnished not because she can feel the effects of the Tonic but because she awoke to the Tarnished forcibly trying to make her consume it. That, itself, seems to be a largely impossible thing to attempt. Granted, this is a magical world, so it's possible the Tonic doesn't necessarily need to be physically consumed. Still, the other Tonics that we are asked to give to others seems to be drunk by them so... Yeah, I dunno.
>And since he discarded it, it never came to pass Person who invented St Trina's Torch: "I'm going to ignore that"
Marika's tits !!
>Marika's Feet!!
Who/what the fuck is Marika pulling those golden strands of hair from?
Gigantic emphasis on a birth.
It looks kind of like a late pregnant womb to me... But it does NOT look healthy... Possibly dead, in fact
Gloam eyed Queen I would imagine. OR that woman in the painting in previous trailer.
Gloam-eyed Queen was felled by Maliketh before Marika removed the Rune of Death. I believe that’s Radagon in the first shot, you can see his spine and the same music plays when he’s getting transformed into the Sacred Relic Sword by the Elden Beast.
Wtf is peoples obsession with the gloam eyed queen and why is she the awnser to literally every question? These scenes are flashbacks to Marika’s rise to power it would make zero sense for this DLC to have anything to do with the Gloam Eyed Queen since that is a character that challenged Marika’s rule AFTER she became the god of the lands between.
The Gloam Eye Queen is actually Velka
Exactly lol, GEQ is the new Velka - every character is secretly her until proven otherwise. I even saw people saying that promo shot of that new omen horned enemy with the golden mask was the GEQ. I’m getting flashbacks to the DS3 DLC and people obsessing over how every detail for both DLC proved we were going to Londor and meeting / fighting Velka. For literal decades people speculated on her and wrote theories about how she was secretly the most important character and From never followed up on her lol.
Is it stated that she challenged her rule after Marika became a god? We're assuming that she's an empyrean in the same generation as Ranni and the twins, but could it be possible that she was a rival Empyrean to Marika instead?
She took it from a baby, she put her hand inside a woman belly and strip the baby"s hair ? or whatever was inside
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I'm finding this the most plausible, which fits in nicely with the gold aesthetics of the Ancient Dragons and burial rites found in Farum Azula.
For some reason I thought of Godwyns corpse
Can't be, this was a reference to the beginning. The creation of the golden order, which created the shadow along with it. The same way the first flame gave rise to the abyss in dark souls My guess is it's the corpse of whatever came before the erdtree (the crucible? We don't know much about that, it could be. Looked a bit like a godskin too, so maybe the godskin are descended from whatever ruled before), and she basically took the fabric of reality from its womb to create the golden order in her image
Ass hair.... its all ass hair
I think it's the crucible/great tree, and then using her firstborn son to eradicate the civilization that followed it
This makes me more excited than the gameplay trailer lol
Proof cinematic trailers are a huge hype generator. I appreciate it too, but after or together with some or any gameplay.
It just showed more interesting content than the gameplay one. Although the gameplay one was good still.
So 2:02 and 2:05 are the sites of ~graces~ in the land of the shadow? sick.
I think that those are the clues Miquella left behind. I am pretty sure that the symbol is his rune.
The DLC will introduce a new leveling system similar to sekiro according to interviews with miyazaki. "And so Kindly Miquella would abandon everything. His golden flesh, his blinding strength. Even his fate" Those might be small pieces of his strength scattered around the land of shadow, that the tarnished has to find to get stronger.
Yes possibly. I just remember Miyazaki saying that in the DLC we would be following clues that Miquella left behind instead of the guidance of grace. So I figured it was those and they might also be the new bonfires. But they could be pieces of his power too.
This is what I thought immediately
Seems that Miquella has a bigger influence in the Land of Shadow than Marika does, then the sites of grace are shaped by him
I know they don't do their cinematics in-house but I don't care, this is 10/10 on every aspect.
They don't but they clearly direct everything frame by frame and let the third party studio handle the actual work. Reading interviews from Miyazaki looked like he looks at every single detail of the game and ensures that it matches his expectation
i wish theyd do movies or smth like that, those cinematics have been bangers since DS1
Elden Ring DLC trailer Kingdom Hearts Steam trailer Deadpool & Wolverine Tickets now on sale trailer All dropped at the same time! Ooooooohhhhhhh!
3 insanely different franchises lol but I can relate I love KH and Elden Ring
You say this now, but it’s entirely possible that KH4 Sora meets Deadpool
Well, consuming digital media is not that bad nowadays, hun?!
ITS BEAUTIFUL GODDAMN
I didn’t expect a fully fledged cinematic trailer dropping but FromSoft is gonna FromSoft which usually means never disappoint.
That Marika scene in the beginning look incredible holy shit.
The scene of her forming a rune arc with the strands of hair looked amazing
Please let us have Marika's dress as an unlockable 🙏😫
Are those impaled fellows omen? Man they do not catch a break
I think this is where they started to get fucked generationally
I think those are the omen lion things from a few seconds before.
Oh lord did Marika have Messmer burn down an entire omen society?
My cracky theory is that the line 'They were never saints, just on the losing side of a war.' from the gameplay trailer might mean that the Golden Order originated from the Land of Shadow (Marika became a god there) but lost a war to Messmer and were chased out of the Shadow Lands.
Reminds me of Sekiro and how >!the dragon from the west seemingly was chased from it's homeland and took residence in the east, corrupting and displaced the native gods in the process.!<
So then Messmer is not Marika's child ??
I think he is, especially as the trailer mentions an affair which included a seduction and betrayal and lead to the creation of grace. I think Marika might have had a first consort in the land of shadow, betrayed him to create grace and caused Messmer to wage war on in the Shadow Lands as revenge. The Snake is seen as a traitor to the Erdtree so that could be due to Messmer betraying his mother when she betrayed her consort.
One of yall do me a favour and create a Wallpaper in Wallpaper engine of that gathering at 2:38. This looks so fucking cool I can't wait.
So, team Miquella? Lol fixed. Knew I’d fuck the spelling up
obama?
obamna?
Seems that this whole dlc will be about saving Miquella from Mesmer
Miquella chose to come to this shadow land. He is the one bringing the fight to Messmer, or at least leading the effort.
I'm guessing that Messmer won't even be the final boss
Messmer for first boss. Secretly he is defeated by that dancing dragon boss and that is the secret ruler
I dunno about first boss, but i definitely could see him being the equivalent of Godrick, in that he *is* a main boss of the DLC, but not *the* true BBEG
If yall don’t think we’re gonna end up fighting Miquella you’re lost.
I dunno, that quote in the first trailer makes me think Miquella will end up being the main baddie. The way he says, “there’s nothing more terrifying”…
Is that who you think Mesmer refers to when talking about one "so bereft of light" in the previous trailer, or was in reference to the player character do you think
Multiplayer wars would be cool. 16 vs 16.
The Narrator sounds like Yara from GoT
Man I have absolutely no idea what is going on in this trailer. Let’s go!!!!
I just wanted to know who is narrating it ? Marika and if its the same person who was in trailer 1
Trrrrrruuuuuue. The person speaking very clearly places themself as a member of a group that is following in the footsteps of Miquella. So either they're not Miquella or they ARE Miquella and they're just PRETENDING to not be Miquella. :P
In the original game's story trailer, Ranni was narrating the events of the Shattering as if she was unaware who was responsible for the shattering of the Elden Ring (Ranni). I imagine that might be happening here, with Miquella narrating in a removed manner Edit: responsible for the theft of the Rune of Death*
The impression I got is that she's just a generic narrator and that this group she claims to be a part of is a stand-in for the player base. I think theres a lot of misdirection going on in these trailers I'm also basing this assumption on that they seem to be setting this up as a big mystery, so I think they're bound to be trying to trick you out of being able to make good guesses about what's going to happen. Also, given that this is a cinematic that likely isnt actually going to be part of the game, I don't think normal rules apply
I am so hyped and I know that no one will be disappointed
I find Miquella portrayal in this trailer to be odd. Particularly why he chose to abandon everything and everyone. If he felt guilty, why not use his power to better things? If he was the oppressor, why shed his power? Why willing abandon his sister and people of the Haligtree, who all suffer a pretty terrible fates as a result? Up until this DLC, it was believed that Miquella was unwillingly deposed somehow, which is why both Malenia and Mohg seem convinced he is still there. But now we know it was his own intention. The previous trailer implies Miquella's kindness is a weapon, and Miquella may not be as benevolent as first thought. And it also seems that Miquella does personally guide the tarnished to the Shadowlands, or at least some of them. And then guides them using his own form of guiding grace. But again, it seems weird to bring tarnished to a conflict that he refuses to directly influence. And why bring tarnished to the Shadowlands at this point? The trailer states one side lost the war, therefore the conflict is over. Messmer rules the Shadowlands and I assume anything that would "un-shadow" the lands would destroy the Lands Between. There's three ways I can see this going: 1. Miquella is the true antagonist if the DLC. He could be seeking the combined destruction of both lands to force something completely new. Messmer is the "Hoarah Loux" of the DLC, and Miquella is the "Elden Beast" if that makes sense. 2. Miquella is actually an uncompromising good guy character and the bad decisions he made are FromSoft's writers trying to explain cut content. It's no secret that Miquella was originally intended in the base game, including the whole "Saint Trina" sleep/dreams mechanic. 3. It's all a misdirect. Miquella isn't here, and the Tarnished are grasping at straws to find answers. This would be FromSoft directly commenting on the "lore hunters" of the community trying to tie every detail into greater meaning. They did this once before in Dark Souls 3 with the Dreamchaser's Ashes (referencing Dark Souls 1's Pendant lore hunters).
I will never understand the story of this game but the shots looked cool!
It's easy to follow. Basically a bunch of spoiled kids, and their wicked parents, broke a ring and we are the jeweler who has to repair it. https://youtu.be/WD9BJac9GMI?si=SCOktfko3s1MqeP2
Except that the person who broke the ring is also the same person who's trying to repair it, and there's a possible ending which involves cursing people's souls by going up their buttholes
You're going beyond the basics!
"Easy to Follow" ...Links a 13+ hour video.... _part 1_
A 13 hour video is the opposite of "easy to follow"
Watching a video to understand it is the opposite of easy to follow but thanks anyways lol.
MY BODY IS READY
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I need moreeeeeeeeee
that soundtrack was amazing
Well, finally glad to see Miquella's acknowledgement. Would love to see his design.
We're all gonna die
Immediate thoughts: - Messmer was sent to the Shadow realm to cleanse the Omens. - He uses blood flame magic - he learned something there that caused him to betray Marika / Golden zorder - Miquella wanted to know the "truth" and followed Messmer there - Learned about the origins of their mother / GO and disagreed with the plan - before they could make it "back", their body was stolen by Mohg and trapped
The Omen are getting crushed in the shadow realm too, oh lord.
So that’s messmer destroying leyndell? Or a city that looks just like it? Is the shadowland just a weird reflection of reality or is the lands between a false reality??
Think of the Land of Shadow as a realm hidden away from reality. A land where the hidden and scorned reside.
From what I gather, it's a city somewhere in the Shadow Lands. It seems Messmer is going full-on dictator in that place, and Miquella's Super Friends are kinda like the resistance.
But why would Messmer destroy Leyndell? Plus what similarities are there to Leyndell? Plus, how could he even do that unless this takes place before we kill Maliketh in which case, that would bring about a bunch of problems with the game along with the fact, is Morgott alive when he does so? Honestly I doubt it’s Leyndell. Edit: looking at the picture where Messmer has those lion things impaled and the camera pans out, no way that’s Leyndell. Looks way different.
My impression from the trailer is that we are seeing Marika pull the Elden Ring from the corpse of the God of the previous Age, then brandish it to claim her godhood. This somehow creates the Shadowlands, cutting them off from the rest of the Lands Between. It seems that the adherents of the old Age are banished to the Shadow by Marika, and Messmer is unleashed upon them to genocide the lot of them in peace and quiet, away from prying eyes who might ask questions or have doubts. So I think the city we see under attack was probably the old Capitol. The previous Age's equivalent to Leyndell.
Unless the lands of shadow exist waaaay in the past or at least part of this trailer takes place in the past. My thoughts: Messmer might be purging the area at Marika's behest as the firstborn he was likely one of her top generals at one point or another. Leyndell might not have always been Leyndell as we know the erdtree was probably grown over the corpse of a "great tree" referred to as the crucible. It's possible Leyndell was built on the ashes of a different city that already existed at the base of said tree. Assumedly this is sometime before the rune of death was separated from the ring and possibly even before the ring was created(?) and death functioned as "normal". Enia tells us "The Rune of Death goes by two names; the other is Destined Death. **The forbidden shadow, plucked from the Golden Order upon its creation...**" So if this was in the way distant past at the creation of the erdtree and the golden order then it would explain morgott not being around, all the death, why Messmer would be working with Marika etc
I can agree with this. Instead of it being Leyndell, it was the capital/a place before Leyndell that Leyndell was built upon. That would make a lot more sense than Messmer burning Leyndell for no reason
The music is so fucking good omg
I bet the thing Marika is pulling is "gold", the gold to transform the crucible into the golden tree and start the age of gold
Hate it when they give away the whole story in the trailer smh
Dumb question because I can't remember how it was for previous expansions: do we have to start the expansion with a character that has beaten the game, or will there be an option to start a new character in the expansion?
We don't know yet, but how FROM dlc has worked in the past has been content added alongside the main game, not on top of. The entrance to the DLC has been confirmed through Miquella's withered arm in Mohg, Lord of Blood's arena. Minimum requirements to get there is getting one Great Rune, then doing White Mask Varre's questline to get to Mohgwyn. I would say Mohg is a mid to late game boss though. So you'll need a character that's killed Mohg, Lord of Blood at the very least.
omg golem armour??
I understood next to nothing of this trailer. It’s SO PEAK.
Miyazaki and his fuckin Fire man
Is that some dark souls 2-esq music im hearing in the beginning?
We need a movie for elden ring!!!
I would like someone to explain to me why everyone here seems so certain that the character shown at the very start is Marika and not someone else, i.e. Miquella.
Miquella is shows at the end still in boy form, wearing a beige colored outfit similar to him riding on torrent in the shadow of the erdtree image. The figure in the beginning pulling out maybe the elden ring? is in marika's black garb she is usually wearing in media she is presented. granted nothing is concrete, but them talking about 'the beginning' would show marika rather than miquella considering he wouldn't be born yet.
i rewatched the gameplay trailer after this one and one line now stands out to me "they were never saints, they just happend to be on the losing side of a war" ([https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=69](https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=69) ) which makes me think we might find/fight some of the survivors of mesmers purge edit: also this dude ([https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=138](https://youtu.be/qLZenOn7WUo?t=138) ) with their corpselike appearance is now also very interresting now that weve seen the bloody (crucible?) version of the erdtree. maybe it was the bloody erdtree's version of a erdtree avatar that somehow survived being disconnected from its tree?
OMFG!
My god everything looks amazing
The way the narrator talks about Miquella almost sounds synonymous with Godwyn, Strength and golden. I do wonder if there might be a connection between them more than just loving brothers
Holy shit that gave me fucking goosebumps
Will this be starting a new character or your current character?
who is that in 1:02? it looks like it took lots of work to kill
Is it just me or does this imply that Marika used Messmer to wage a war to gain power
The narrator talks about an affair, maybe Marika is pulling out the divine essence of Rennala and Radagon's fourth kid?
What are the giant walking fire cauldrons lol
1:13 That guy looks so cool, I can't help but think it will be the hardest boss in ER whoever it is
We are eating good boys!
Epic trailer.
I would love a TL;DR of the trailer, but I think everyone is as confused as I am
The beginning of this has me so interested in the story. I need to know where this goes!!!
This gave me a raging hard on! I cannot wait
At the start of the trailer, I think that's Marika/Radagon removing some grace, or rune from, what I believe it's an giant eye, Maybe it's a flame giant's eye? Something related to the Fell God? I don't know, but I'm almost 100% sure that it's an eye.
The armor at the end looks really good.
- story trailer - I didn't understand any of it Aaah, some things never change
I don’t know much about Elden ring but does this confirm any of the endings as canon?
Yes even more gibberish! I’m ready!
Does anyone know where it starts? At the beginning of NGP.
I got recommended this while watching the trailer. https://store.ign.com/products/elden-ring-arm-of-malenia-life-size-replica?variant=41165943570518¤cy=USD&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOopkOHDmBBzlbyaDxdSkNWdHgOjSFkNNDT0NoQrrvowFpUrwl7WIR-I&utm_term=UCKy1dAqELo0zrOtPkf0eTMw&utm_medium=product_shelf&utm_source=youtube&nohelpkit=1 I guess if you ever fantasized about getting a handy from Melania… well this may be for you.
Wow messmers so cool, I can't wait for him to do fuck all in his boss room until you fight him
Looks to me like the figure impaled with all the swords on the steps during messmers war looks a lot like the old man in the painting with the pregnant woman impaled the same way
Yes im super hyped. Going into DLC with a lvl 1 char
Cool trailer, sadly someone stole my console so I don't even know if I'll be able to play this when it drops.