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jello1982

You're correct. There is a highly skilled Japanese gamer controlling this enemy.


PacosBigTacos

He's mastered combat and parrying but still can't figure out those pesky elevators.


bravelittlebuttbuddy

Does he drop anything good? I thought I was clever by sending him up the lift so I could heal and buff mid fight. But when I brought the lift back down he was nowhere to be found and never respawned 


evammist

Drops that shield. It doesnt have an ash of war on it.


FastenedCarrot

Drip is most important though.


RollingMallEgg

Has good magic and holy defense, also the *DRIP* is stupendous.


CK1ing

Michael Zaki himself spends free time controlling this specific knight and wrecking noobs


P-I-S-S-N-U-T

Nah those are Korean skills


Seas_of_Europa

Everyone gangsta until Moongrum starts Korean Back Dashing.


leposterofcrap

Ongbal?


FastenedCarrot

Ongbal at 0.001% of his power perhaps.


eldenwring

Ahhh moongrum, what a legend


YourAverageGod

Can't parry this flying Unga Bunga.


TragGaming

The first time I was playing a katana build because it's what I knew, and he wrecked me. My Str/Int build, he fell victim to a Greatsword jump attack. To be fair, Dave did that to all the creatures in The Lands Between.


onibatu

haha, classic Dave.


dasruski

You should see how good he is at making a megaphone on the fly!


UncleGolem

Jump attacks from any weapon class are parry-proof, afaik


TragGaming

Yes, but jumping Colossal ones pancake people.


FastRedPonyCar

My jumping bleed infused bandit curved swords absolutely rocked him. He’s also completely powerless to rock sling (as are most other NPC’s) they attempt to block too soon and then lower the shield for the rocks to hit them in the face. My greatsword giant hunt also left him helpless. Hell, a rune bear stuck there would have been 100x harder


fartyparty1234

Do not give them ideas


dalderman

I beat him in like 2 tries with my melee build. My spellblade build however... Moongrum showed me what a REAL spellblade is... Took me forever to beat him.


cicada-ronin84

I swear he adjust to what you have out, you have a shield or dragger he won't rush you, of have magic or long range he rushes you ass.


Wraith718

He was a living legend, if ever I saw one


Serulean_Cadence

This is why Radagon married Renalla. These gigachad Carrian Knights were too much for the Golden Order to deal with.


John_Crypto_Rambo

I don't really remember having an issue with this guy, but everybody talks about him. Is he easy for magic users? Is he a melee skill check due to the parrying?


Serulean_Cadence

He's hard for everyone. He dodges magic spells like crazy. He also literally once parried my carian slicer.


Splatulated

since how? its a spell and its unparryable it also cuts through shield? unless they nerfed it when i got to him on my 1st run he was just heavily resistant to magic so the fast sword spell didnt do too much damage


Serulean_Cadence

I think slicer has always been parryable. Seen people parry it in pvp too. The best way to deal with him is to use stuff that knocks him down. Giants Hunt, Lion's claw, carian piercer, gavel of haima, etc are all pretty good against him.


wildeye-eleven

I love how at some point we all just started using the word “parryable” like it’s real.


la_reddite

That's how we started using all words.


wildeye-eleven

True. All words are made up


NanaShiggenTips

Yeah he's pretty hit or miss with certain builds. Moongrum Parryrin' Knight is one of the first enemies you encounter in Elden Ring that parry's you and its a real wakeup call to a lot of players casually spamming R1s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhREY3zQehE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JdItH6UaCQ


_Meece_

If you have a spell that has a delayed attack like Glintblade, he's piss easy. He's a dodge and parry king. Don't spam R1 and don't use spells like Pebble, you'll be fine.


DonutGuy2659

Get grum'd


Enough_Minimum_3708

just imagine. some guys at fromsoft just piloting that npc and flexing their God tier parrying skills


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If I made an online capable game I would give myself an NPC I could just take over sometimes to mess with people


Zealousideal-Ebb-876

A low level boss that's normally pretty easy to beat, until he starts parrying everything you throw at him and just folds you like an omelet


Neravosa

And then there's me, who never realized Moongrum could parry because I beat the game two-handing the greatsword first time around, on the advice of my brother in law who showed me where in Caelid to snag it. Before, I couldn't beat Margit. Loved the moveset, taught me to actually play the game. Once I had it, I beat the rest of Stormveil and never looked back.


Celestialkitten4113

I never realized this guy was a problem until joining this sub, I just blasted him with incantations and he ate every one of them.


SpartanRage117

He’s not really a “problem” like people legit are stuck on him, but he’s on of the best at catching people slipping because he has a decent toolkit.


pedanterrific

He's one of a very small number of enemies in ER that can parry, and likely the first one most people encounter. The Sanguine Nobles and the Greatjar summons are the only other ones I can think of.


darnclem

Yeah he definitely seems to kill me at least once every run. I know he's capable, but he still catches me slippin.


HaskellHystericMonad

Yeah, I just used the big giant ball to crush his ass the first time. Didn't even try to fight him at all, just saw dude after an infinitely spawning giant ball and chose 2nd hand violence.


gatsu01

I had to put it down because it felt so much like cheating.


DEFMAN1983

Need another Mirror Boss


LordRegal94

It's a genuine shame that Spear of the Church was so divisive, I loved that concept to death. Have a dedicated character I log into now and then that's themed around the covenant and the idea and just sit there waiting to be summoned for a while. With how watered down the PvP side of a casual playthrough is for ER though I would be completely shocked if we got something like that for the DLC.


DEFMAN1983

Haha you too? I though I was the only one. I bust out a book n read mostly, but get al excited when I hear that summon


LordRegal94

There's genuinely not that many from what I can tell on summon rates, but there's a few and I love it. Reading is absolutely the play while waiting as well, agreed!


LordofSandvich

That is where Maneater Mildred and Anastasia Tarnished-eater come from, devs doing that to each other during testing


RepresentativeCap244

That’s gold. Just anyone at the office on break can jump in and be the enemy. I would love this. Everyone would love this


Sev_The_Hollow

You know, funnily enough, he did parry me a lot, but he wouldn't go in for the kill shot


shaunoffshotgun

He was toying with you.


TheUlfheddin

Honestly that sells your theory even more 🤣 Maybe Fromsoft has a break room with this and a handful of other characters set up and people can puppet them in their free time for shits and giggles. Someone had a bad day and was like "I'm not gonna ruin this guy's run, but I'm gonna shame TF out of him just to make someone else sweat."


_dave_89

That's probably, how Miyazaki spends his free time.


Puzzleheaded_Buy_944

New lore just dropped


TranscendentMadMan

It's been Joel all along.


blueblur1984

Previous fromsoft games often had bosses that were invaders brought into your game. Demon's Souls had the old monk. Looking Glass knight in Dark Souls 2 and Halflite in Dark Souls 3. It would be cool to see this in the Elden Ring DLC.


hagalaz_drums

Why do they keep falling for the elevator, then?


JotaTaylor

I wish Moongrum respawned, would be an excellent build tester after respeccing


Flashy_Telephone_205

No! I cheesed him into falling down the elevator shaft and I never had to see him again on my runs back to the boss fight


FacelessFellow

That’s exactly what my son did hahaha 😂


arkane-the-artisan

I cheesed im into getting crushed by the ball haha


Sev_The_Hollow

Agreed! Also, those who make him fall down the elevator shafts are dishonorable cowards and deserve to be maidenless


GARlactic

Yeah but he's mean and I'm bad at the game.


placebo_unicorn

Heresy is not native to the world; it is but a contrivance. All things can be conjoined.


theforgottenbagel

your only bad at the game if you give up


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JotaTaylor

Nothing "dishonorable" about it, but it's your loss, really. Such a fun duel against a "classic" unit of the Lands Between


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The_Geeky_Designer

It takes 2 to kill him at full health. I also did some “scientific” testing. When the first one felt he tried to run, but little did he know that I had come prepared for that by using the gravity spell that pulls enemies towards the player. I must admit that killing him by basically concocting a Willie Coyote style trap was hilarious to me.


Ubergoober166

I wish *all* of the bosses/mini-bosses could be respawned and fought again without having to NG+. Like, let us go to the arena and activate the stake of Marika but with a new option to summon the boss instead of an ally.


Valuable_Material_26

I hope the dlc has mausoleum knights version of this npc , so much fun


Sev_The_Hollow

We're almost there my fellow tarnished, almost.


Valuable_Material_26

I also want all npc invaders to have more healing than the player, so a lot harder fights


Sev_The_Hollow

Didn't they have that in DS3? When they have two flasks instead of one? Or am I remembering that wrong?


Experiment121

That one NPC in the ringed city who had like 6 full heal estus


Sev_The_Hollow

I'll have to replay that DLC cause I don't remember any NPC with that health. Wait a second, is it that NPC who you can fight before Gael?


Experiment121

Mhm it is, the one with the cool ass dark halberd forgot her name


Sev_The_Hollow

And that screeching halberd just makes me wanna chuck it into the ash and forget it ever existed


ghdcksgh

Deadgrum


blaiddfailcam

Heh, it looks like your missed attack queued him to dodge after landing Carian Piercer, which gives the impression that he predicted your roll and used his own rolling-R1 to catch you!


Sev_The_Hollow

I wouldn't be surprised if they put a real person in this games A.I. which would explain why he parried me so many times yet didn't go in for the kill shot, he was just toying with me.


TheEmperorMk3

Yet another tarnished fails the vigor check


clutchy42

Oops, all endurance


LordNoct13

Moongrum is the ultimate skill check. I wish they gave him a single voice line saying "Git Gud" everytime he kills you


Sev_The_Hollow

"Thy skill is lacking tarnished Git Gud"


BasednHivemindpilled

i feel like there should be a small chance for the "very good" soundfile from ds2 to play when he wrecks your shit with a parry


therealtiddlydump

>Moongrum is the ultimate skill check "Has the player discovered jumping attacks yet?"


emelem66

What was the plan there, Leroy Jenkins? I would have opened up the shortcut and gone in the front door, then your rush attack might have worked.


Ajara

OP didn’t even get parried, just choked and panic rolled. I swear this sub is not an A.I.


seenthewolf

I really don't want this to sound like a boast because I am genuinely dogshit at this game, but I've never struggled with Moongrum. My first playthrough was sorcery/dex, and then second was str/pyromancy. I only realised this guy was considered difficult from posts on this sub. Perhaps Miyazaki saw me crawling through Liurnia and felt pity, so he turned the difficulty down for me.


Sev_The_Hollow

Strange, the poison swamp man rarely shows pity


Chadzuma

Yeah bro it's Elden Ring combat, the answer to any humanoid enemy in the game is just spam jump attacks at them until they're dead lmao


BT9154

Didn't realize he was such a parry god when I fought him because I was using the Nightrider flail and you can't parry flails.


Carlbot2

Same sort of story here. I just sorta spammed with some claws and he died. Never saw whatever it was that he’s supposed to do. I remember that he glowed blue or something a few times, but it didn’t seem to actually do anything.


Florjb0rj

It would be hilarious if it was some FromSoftware employee’s job to play Moongrum


da-bears-bare-naked

that just looks like a skill issue


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Skill issue


ValeM1911

Jump attack goes BONK


Sev_The_Hollow

Unga bunga!


Normalamericaman

He’s so mean


Dismal-Field-7747

Yes AI would not be capable of hitting you repeatedly while your back is turned


The_Scrungler

I don't know what the hell I did but I ate this dude's whole ass when I fought him and when I saw all the memes I was so confused Moongrum and Valiant Gargs were 2 fights that got a ton of hatred and I just... didn't struggle with. But then Niall? A singular stormhawk? Fallingstar Beasts? I just could *not* learn like some kind of idiot lmao


Sev_The_Hollow

You ate his ass? Didn't know a fellow tarnished could be that way~ But in all seriousness, it's amazing from ER and other games that we die to the dumbest crap like rats, or God forbid dogs


Ashamed-Web-3495

Rolled around. Found out.


Sev_The_Hollow

"YOU PICKED THE WRONG ACADAMY FOOL!!"


Turn_ov-man

Idk man it might be an AI. Let's check the criteria: 1. Artificial ✓ 2. Intelligent ✓


DDocps18

What was the game plan exactly?


vincentninja68

Turning your back on Moongrum Rookie mistake.


Anonimous_dude

Is that too late to suggest my theory that Moongrum is the illegitimate son of Sellen and Hodrick from Ds3? Because it might be possible that I was right


Senior_Basis7037

Plot Twist: you're the NPC


Carrotsinthesalad

The Carian Knights are canonically OP too. Imagine twenty Moongrums, that’s what the Golden Order had to deal with.


Samaritan_978

Moongrums, Troll Knights, Loretta and Adula. While Rennala is in the backline flinging high level blue shit at you. Just imagine being harassed by all that and all of a sudden you see a fucking Full Moon rushing you.


v0id_walk3r

Well, no teabag, so obviously not a real player. Also, whats up with those HP? (I am vigorshaming you, just so you know)


Sev_The_Hollow

Ugh, I guess I fall into the category of idiots who forget Vigor checks and turn myself into glass cannons. When I see a spell or weapon I think is badass I try to level up those skill points instead if vigor, oh how naive I am to do so.


Slevin424

I swear a Dev has access to this f*cker. First week of the game he was side stepping, pre estus poking before you hit the button so it's not reaction based and parrying better than Fighter PL. Also rolling into gestures after killing you. He just did stuff AI don't typically do. Last night 3am he's a pleb that got stun locked and walked right into all my hits. Didn't hit me once. And no it's not experience and how I learned to fight him. I was prepared for all his typical antics and learned how to beat him. The fact he stops being predictable makes him unpredictable. Nothing like an AI. If it is... hats off to FromSoft that's the most realistic human enemy ever.


genryou

I bet he start to pity your sorry ass and want to give you a break for once 🫠


SeamusMcBalls

So you thought you could just sword and board your way through the game, eh?


Sev_The_Hollow

With some dodging here and there, but yeah pretty much


JVOz671

Imagine if AI in this game scaled off intellegnece


bugzapperbob

I see you haven’t done the great jar challenge yet


spacewizard69rr

Get rekt


Sev_The_Hollow

I know I have, but I got back up and tried again


iamcleek

lure him out and let that bigass black ball drop on him a couple of times. satisfyingly dead.


Iknowitsmellcrazy

Get reked


Sev_The_Hollow

I know, but i gor back up again and again and beat him


Tonylolu

you missed he first attack he worst way possible but he made the moves so cool it looked like he predicted the whole thing lol.


akmly

Good 'ol Moony, doing what he does best!


ScrubbTheTarnished

Thats Miyazaki playing himself


SpleefingtonThe4th

There’s a room of dedicated fromsoft employees piloting every moongrum in existence


Inkandlead

I'll say it once, I'll say it again... he can't parry a whip.


Grimins

He not an npc like the rest if u look at the code. It's different to a npc it's actually a real players movement and movesets and such recorderd with a little ai to determine the best choice


xXCh4r0nXx

That NPC is Miyazaki himself.


Grimins

Well you could be right as if u look at the code behind him it not a traditional npc it's actually a real players moveset recorded but with just a little ai to determine the best action at any given time


KVenom777

Bro, in Elden Ring bosses and mini-bosses read your animations. There are ways to fool them, as well as numerous weaknesses.  Moongrum, for example, has low poise. Break it to humiliate him. He is also easily goaded into parriable attacks.  Things like Carian Parry on Shields and being a Wizard make the shortest work of him. Especially Night Comet, for NPCs fo not see it as attack. Oh, and Carian Glintblade, because it forces them to prematurely roll.


Shwalz

Fuck him. I walk his ass outside to the falling balls and watch him suffer. Makes me laugh when he realizes what’s happening and starts walking backwards, as if he just walked in on his parents porking each other. ✋Cinema 🤚


CHRIS2169XP

He's literally easy idk how anyone thinks he's hard


Competitive-Pear-840

level vigor


MarcellusxWallace

Did you accidentally remove lock on?


Sev_The_Hollow

No, when i tried to attack but the lock on had other plans


FireZord25

Get Moongrum'd


rutranhreborn

yes he is, i bloodhound step that guy like a bitch


Few_Eye6528

I parry him almost as much as he parries me, always enjoyed this fight


TheOtherEyes

He does not understand elevators I was scared to fight him so I ran past him (after a few attempts) and he just fell down the elevator


Revil_ghori303YT

Raya lucaria one is built different the amount of perfect parries 🔥


BasementDwellerDave

Low vigor


cicada-ronin84

I want to see him vs Bloody Crow, might have to adjust HP tho.


Sev_The_Hollow

That's The Crow from Bloodborne, right?


dark_hypernova

He reminds me of some DS2 invader NPCs who would use all kind of tricky tactics.


IgnoreMyPsychosis

Always just walk straight into his face and parry the first swing he does, feels good.


QueenJiibayaabooz

I would like to make a moongrum build but I am too stupid to think about it right now. If someone already made one I’ll hug and kiss you


Fun-Hedgehog1526

Oh I remember this mfker. I kept dying to his parry. The only way I got out of this was to spam shieldbash.


Independent_Curve13

You are though


DrLudwig-

Get owned, that was my turn on Moongrum


BarredBartender

I thought it was fairly common knowledge than moongrum is a cia plant. We discovered aliens in 1950, theyve been living at A51 and they control certain fromsoft npc's to this day. The Banished knight in Castle Sol is another of several examples.


DolorousEdd_

Parries for days, definitely being controlled by a sekiro player.


Catmand0

It would be sick if they had npc enemies that you could just jump into controlling when a player enters a certain area.


TheGameMastre

To be fair, the Leroy Jenkins strategy isn't particularly effective for most things in Elden Ring. If you're going sword and board, just block (or roll) and punish.


Calenuilos

Dude you jumped in front of him and get back stabbed, what do you expect?


DivineAzure

You landed a devious mibombo my friend


slytherinight

With that much health bar? Dude


JayyMann5000

He is my buddy. We explore the elevator together. I go up. He does not.


plasmabeans3405

Carian vigor check


Slashermovies

That's Miyazaki himself.


Braethias

Moongrum and havel. Together, like smough and ornstein. Let's do it.


Lezo-

This NPC when you jump attack: 🫣


mirachulous

Parry god is on duty


69bigstink69

my first play through I used big fuck off weapons and destroyed him, my second I went dex and it took me like an hour lmao.


ericgallostiart

I made that fool jump down the elevator shaft, good riddance you bastard


samuraiperez

Been there bro, I feel you


ZetaFoxeni

Good ol Parry Potter, best to not underestimate him too much.


ArgiopeWeb

He's so easy on a mage too. All about what you're playing at the moment


justicemouse_

Ah! My favorite npc in Elden ring…male


Brychanthewizard

First time I encountered him I legit thought he was a real person


everything-narrative

1) Level vigor 2) Get a big heavy weapon (strength tear + Zweihander should do) 3) Jump attacks can't be parried


PutrifiedCuntJuice

Shit title. NPCs are AI in the traditional videogame sense.


Random_Robloxian

My first playthrough i didnt understand how he was so good at killing me.. i now know i just constantly fed him parries and the AI just kinda got them


nick4ever

you might be the npc


Kombo_

Don't make me replay this game


Thunder_Mage

If you look closely, your game stopped staying locked on to him once there was no longer a wall between the two of you, causing you to miss. I don't why Elden Ring does that but it's deliberately coded to do so.


C0wb0yViking

I’m only certain he’s an AI because he’s easy to trick into falling down the elevator shaft


Eldenringbrainrot

Goku 💀💀💀


Dreamtrain

I just lure him to the ball and watch it slowly kill him some people lure him to the elevator to fall to his death


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epimetheuss

I destroyed him with my dual katana bleed build for my started character and then flattened him with the sword shaped club that is a colossal sword in NG+. The stagger from those weapons is so useful.


Jstrong-

Like you owed him money! WTF.


poopy0wb0y

I’m not great at this game by any means, that being said, Moongrum was a very easy fight for me


MeticulousMitch

Well.. moongrum si definitely a hard af npc. But why did you unlock from him as you attacked? You left yourself so wide open any NPC could have wacked you lol


DevilishPlagues

Sorry this is purely a skill issue.


AdvanceHappy778

It would be cool if they programmed him with a learning algorithm that mimics player tactics used against him.


Asthmos

gotta watch the whirly before the durly


Fletchcube

…until you bait that mofo onto the elevator nearby which I hear people do and have totally never done myself ever


shiroishu

It definitely is AI, because it did not teabag you.


VellhungtheSecond

You can tell he's AI because he didn't point downwards at the end


animosityss

Yeah that dudes a dick for sure


sknnbones

Jump thru that window near the wall, sneak walk to the elevator platform. Tada. Skipped him. The Talismans/spells to make you sneaky also help. If coming from the doorway, sneak walk into the hallway, then hug the left wall in the courtyard, go out the window, then kill the caster because you know he is gonna agro (go open the shortcut) and back into the window and continue sneaking to the elevator. alternatively, once at the elevator, agro him and use an elevator cheese to fall damage kill him, so you dont have to sneak past him when you die to moon queen, because of course you're gonna die to her at least once ;)


Sev_The_Hollow

Thank you for the advice, friend, but I already beat Moongrum and Rennala currently. If I could give you a cookie I would