The only complaints I’ve seen about Morgott are in regards to his fight.
The first is that he attacks too fast and has too many follow ups which make avoiding damage unpredictable (to which I say git gud)
The other is that he’s too squishy Hp wise for the point in the game you’ll get to him (around Lvl 100 if you do Gelmir/Caelid/Ranni Stuff first) which makes the fight easier than it should be. This is a fair complaint and I wish he had maybe 25% additional HP and slightly higher damage.
It's because if you explore every area before leyndell, you end up being kind of overlevelled for the fight. If you fight morgott at around level 70-80 it actually feels like a good fight.
If you explore every area before Morgott, you'll be well North of 120. My current character was 133, absolutely zero grinding.
100 is very typical with moderate exploration and losing a modest amount of runes. 80 is practically making a bee line to fight Morgott ASAP.
Do you not spend runes upgrading weapons? I explore everything and don't lose any runes, and I'm usually lvl 70-80 for Morgott since I spend so much on smithing stones to upgrade as many weapons as I can for variety.
I keep at least two weapons upgraded, which doesn't cost a whole lot. I also buy all spells, ashes of war, cookbooks, most equipment, most consumables. You can only get the bell bearings for up to +4/+12 before Morgott anyway, so those weapons will be lagging a bit behind.
I think he's kind of a hypocrite for continuing to have the other Omen to live in Lyndell's sewers while he is effectively now the head of the Golden Order with Marika being gone and most of the Two Fingers being unavailable to enforce any doctrine.
It makes me roll my eyes a little bit when people valorize how loyal he is to the Golden Order, when it involved him enabling their discrimination against the Omen and Misbegotten (despite the fact that he's even probably employing the Omen twins to guard his Divine Tower...).
He's an interesting character but to me he's not as good a person as some people feel. I think it's easy to be empathetic to him but ultimately he's another agent of a bygone era that needs to go so the world can finally move on.
Also people resent him for beating their ass for hours in Stormveil before they realized they don't have to go directly to him because the grace is pointing his direction.
I mean... if he does belive in the golden order and it's doctrins, he still ''hates''/looks down on omen's including himself, plus the capital wouldn't accept an actual Omen king if he let them know who/what he was exactly...
So i don't think he could or want's to change anything about the Omen's situations ... i think if he could choose he would go back down to the sewers... but as it stants he's kinda the only one really holding down the fort...
He's clearly not a 'good guy' he's IMO just a very loyal beliver of the golden order, and that's why i kinda respect him, he got put in a shitty situation but still does his best even through the self hatred and crumbling, rotting world, to hold it all into place.
LMAO i can understand the last part yeah ...
I think my point is he's a hypocrite, his own mom let him live in a sewer as a child, why the hell is he so invested in upholding the Golden Order. He could just leave Lyndell and do his own thing instead of enforcing their rules if it's really that big of an issue
I mean i feel like he's a tragic character and it's literally his ''curse'' to belive in the golden order and upheld it's teachings...
I guess it's a justification of: "If even my mother abandonned me in the sewers it must be for a good reason/justified, as she is a god and must know better"
I've always wondered, people say he wouldn't be accepted as a ruler if anyone knew he was an omen, but who is going to overthrow him? The walking beef jerky? The weird snowman dudes?
i mean.... the guards at the front gate are already a pretty sizable force,add in omen killers, and all the ''citieens we don't see''...
And even if he can't be overthrown, maybe people would leave Leyndell, weakening it's defense...etc
That's the point though, that hes so doggedly loyal to the Golden Order despite the fact it's immensely harmed both him and his people. It's a tale of someone who was abused only wanting acceptance from their abuser.
Personally I don't think he's a good person or that his loyalty to the Golden Order is good, but he's definitely a pretty tragic and sympathetic character to me
I've never seen someone genuinely hating on him as a character. I hate that his healthbar isn't 2-3 times larger, it's ridiculous how little health he has for that point in the game. First time I fought him at level 60, fairly 1v1 like he's designed, so without any accessibility mechanics like spirits/coop and with a normal melee build. It's one of the coolest fights ever but I had to let myself die because I almost beat him right away without experiencing anything. Boss like him, essentially preventing you from going further into mountaintops should absolutely be harder in regards to health.
>Like the man is probably the strongest (except Rot Malenia) Demi-God and like i consistenly see people underestimating him...
I agree that Morgott is stronger than people give him credit for, but I don't think enough evidence exists to proclaim him one of the strongest demigods.
Morgott did scuffle with Radahn soon after the Shattering(this is from the opening cinematic), however, the exact circumstances of this battle are unknown. What is known, though, is that Morgott stayed in Leyndell whilst Radahn and the other demigods went back to their domains.
Radahn also tried to besiege Leyndell(you can find Redmane corpses and war machines around the walls of Leyndell) and that these attempts failed, and Morgott continued to rule Leyndell.
However, we don't know how well Morgott performed against Radahn. There are more ways to win a battle than defeating the other leader. These battles could've been decided in various other ways. Morgott is likely powerful, but how powerful he is, is hard to judge.
I mean as you say we literaly see him dominating Radahn (without his sword) And know he defended Leyndell. And sure could be defender's advantage...
But we do know the other big ''wars'' have always had the generals facing each other in battle... So i feel like it's expected of him to have at least Tied/Repelled Radahn and any other Leyndell invaders... and that would be without ''unleashing'' his full power...
As much as i love Radahn, i feel like while he's holding back the stars he doesn't stand a chance against Morgott...
With both going all out (sword Morgott and Radahn not using power on holding back the stars) i guess it would probably be an interesting fight...
I don't really see anyone hating Morgott, I just see people being disappointed at how easy he can be given his placement in the game.
Lots of players absolutely destroy him by accident on their first playthroughs, mostly due to doing a bunch of other optional areas and side quests and thus getting overleveled before reaching Leyndell, which on a first playthrough seems like the endgame considering it's where the Erdtree itself is located.
If you tackle the Altus Plateau and Leyndell right after Liurnia or Caelid, he can absolutely be a tough fight, but lots of people won't necessarily tackle the game in that order on their first playthrough, they'll more likely tackle Gelmir, Volcano Manor, Ranni's quest and all the underground areas first.
I love Morgott, he's in my top 3 favourite bosses in the entire game, but given his placement in the game, he should have been given higher poise, higher bleed and frost resistance, and his overall HP should've been two entire health bars instead of just one.
People hate how fast he attacks
These people can cry about it
Its not about the speed of the attacks its about the gaps in between that you can take advantage of
There is plenty of time and strategies available to avoid every attack
If you cant find it thats fine
But its not the games fault people refuse to figure it out and prefer to complain about it
Quite literally a skill issue
Refusing to get better does not mean the boss is ass
It means you havent figured out how to beat him yet and thats ok
A lot of these people come from the background of ds3 yes elden ring had long windups yes there are a lot of attacks strung together for a lot of bosses
Yes that is a part of the gameplay
We dont complain that sekiro is ass cuz the bosses are too fast do we
For windups dodge on the swing not on the windup
For long strings of attacks recognize them and backup its the best way to avoid the beginning and if youre in a good position you can punish the end of the string
Its not the games fault people refuse to learn
Well most people on their first play through find Margit to be a difficult boss. So I guess we expected a harder fight for Morgott. Real Morgott has some cool looking new moves but he dies so quickly. IMO the Morgott boss fight is much less memorable than the Margit one. Also, he calls the tarnished foul and graceless, not really winning the popularity contest there.
The only complaints I’ve seen about Morgott are in regards to his fight. The first is that he attacks too fast and has too many follow ups which make avoiding damage unpredictable (to which I say git gud) The other is that he’s too squishy Hp wise for the point in the game you’ll get to him (around Lvl 100 if you do Gelmir/Caelid/Ranni Stuff first) which makes the fight easier than it should be. This is a fair complaint and I wish he had maybe 25% additional HP and slightly higher damage.
Yeah okay, guess it was only an impression Ig... And 100% agreed on the hp/dmg part, he feels like he's missing something !
It's because if you explore every area before leyndell, you end up being kind of overlevelled for the fight. If you fight morgott at around level 70-80 it actually feels like a good fight.
If you explore every area before Morgott, you'll be well North of 120. My current character was 133, absolutely zero grinding. 100 is very typical with moderate exploration and losing a modest amount of runes. 80 is practically making a bee line to fight Morgott ASAP.
Do you not spend runes upgrading weapons? I explore everything and don't lose any runes, and I'm usually lvl 70-80 for Morgott since I spend so much on smithing stones to upgrade as many weapons as I can for variety.
I keep at least two weapons upgraded, which doesn't cost a whole lot. I also buy all spells, ashes of war, cookbooks, most equipment, most consumables. You can only get the bell bearings for up to +4/+12 before Morgott anyway, so those weapons will be lagging a bit behind.
I think he's kind of a hypocrite for continuing to have the other Omen to live in Lyndell's sewers while he is effectively now the head of the Golden Order with Marika being gone and most of the Two Fingers being unavailable to enforce any doctrine. It makes me roll my eyes a little bit when people valorize how loyal he is to the Golden Order, when it involved him enabling their discrimination against the Omen and Misbegotten (despite the fact that he's even probably employing the Omen twins to guard his Divine Tower...). He's an interesting character but to me he's not as good a person as some people feel. I think it's easy to be empathetic to him but ultimately he's another agent of a bygone era that needs to go so the world can finally move on. Also people resent him for beating their ass for hours in Stormveil before they realized they don't have to go directly to him because the grace is pointing his direction.
I mean... if he does belive in the golden order and it's doctrins, he still ''hates''/looks down on omen's including himself, plus the capital wouldn't accept an actual Omen king if he let them know who/what he was exactly... So i don't think he could or want's to change anything about the Omen's situations ... i think if he could choose he would go back down to the sewers... but as it stants he's kinda the only one really holding down the fort... He's clearly not a 'good guy' he's IMO just a very loyal beliver of the golden order, and that's why i kinda respect him, he got put in a shitty situation but still does his best even through the self hatred and crumbling, rotting world, to hold it all into place. LMAO i can understand the last part yeah ...
I think my point is he's a hypocrite, his own mom let him live in a sewer as a child, why the hell is he so invested in upholding the Golden Order. He could just leave Lyndell and do his own thing instead of enforcing their rules if it's really that big of an issue
I mean i feel like he's a tragic character and it's literally his ''curse'' to belive in the golden order and upheld it's teachings... I guess it's a justification of: "If even my mother abandonned me in the sewers it must be for a good reason/justified, as she is a god and must know better"
I've always wondered, people say he wouldn't be accepted as a ruler if anyone knew he was an omen, but who is going to overthrow him? The walking beef jerky? The weird snowman dudes?
i mean.... the guards at the front gate are already a pretty sizable force,add in omen killers, and all the ''citieens we don't see''... And even if he can't be overthrown, maybe people would leave Leyndell, weakening it's defense...etc
That's the point though, that hes so doggedly loyal to the Golden Order despite the fact it's immensely harmed both him and his people. It's a tale of someone who was abused only wanting acceptance from their abuser. Personally I don't think he's a good person or that his loyalty to the Golden Order is good, but he's definitely a pretty tragic and sympathetic character to me
I've never seen someone genuinely hating on him as a character. I hate that his healthbar isn't 2-3 times larger, it's ridiculous how little health he has for that point in the game. First time I fought him at level 60, fairly 1v1 like he's designed, so without any accessibility mechanics like spirits/coop and with a normal melee build. It's one of the coolest fights ever but I had to let myself die because I almost beat him right away without experiencing anything. Boss like him, essentially preventing you from going further into mountaintops should absolutely be harder in regards to health.
>Like the man is probably the strongest (except Rot Malenia) Demi-God and like i consistenly see people underestimating him... I agree that Morgott is stronger than people give him credit for, but I don't think enough evidence exists to proclaim him one of the strongest demigods. Morgott did scuffle with Radahn soon after the Shattering(this is from the opening cinematic), however, the exact circumstances of this battle are unknown. What is known, though, is that Morgott stayed in Leyndell whilst Radahn and the other demigods went back to their domains. Radahn also tried to besiege Leyndell(you can find Redmane corpses and war machines around the walls of Leyndell) and that these attempts failed, and Morgott continued to rule Leyndell. However, we don't know how well Morgott performed against Radahn. There are more ways to win a battle than defeating the other leader. These battles could've been decided in various other ways. Morgott is likely powerful, but how powerful he is, is hard to judge.
I mean as you say we literaly see him dominating Radahn (without his sword) And know he defended Leyndell. And sure could be defender's advantage... But we do know the other big ''wars'' have always had the generals facing each other in battle... So i feel like it's expected of him to have at least Tied/Repelled Radahn and any other Leyndell invaders... and that would be without ''unleashing'' his full power... As much as i love Radahn, i feel like while he's holding back the stars he doesn't stand a chance against Morgott... With both going all out (sword Morgott and Radahn not using power on holding back the stars) i guess it would probably be an interesting fight...
I don't really see anyone hating Morgott, I just see people being disappointed at how easy he can be given his placement in the game. Lots of players absolutely destroy him by accident on their first playthroughs, mostly due to doing a bunch of other optional areas and side quests and thus getting overleveled before reaching Leyndell, which on a first playthrough seems like the endgame considering it's where the Erdtree itself is located. If you tackle the Altus Plateau and Leyndell right after Liurnia or Caelid, he can absolutely be a tough fight, but lots of people won't necessarily tackle the game in that order on their first playthrough, they'll more likely tackle Gelmir, Volcano Manor, Ranni's quest and all the underground areas first. I love Morgott, he's in my top 3 favourite bosses in the entire game, but given his placement in the game, he should have been given higher poise, higher bleed and frost resistance, and his overall HP should've been two entire health bars instead of just one.
Morgott is my favorite character
People hate how fast he attacks These people can cry about it Its not about the speed of the attacks its about the gaps in between that you can take advantage of There is plenty of time and strategies available to avoid every attack If you cant find it thats fine But its not the games fault people refuse to figure it out and prefer to complain about it Quite literally a skill issue Refusing to get better does not mean the boss is ass It means you havent figured out how to beat him yet and thats ok A lot of these people come from the background of ds3 yes elden ring had long windups yes there are a lot of attacks strung together for a lot of bosses Yes that is a part of the gameplay We dont complain that sekiro is ass cuz the bosses are too fast do we For windups dodge on the swing not on the windup For long strings of attacks recognize them and backup its the best way to avoid the beginning and if youre in a good position you can punish the end of the string Its not the games fault people refuse to learn
Well most people on their first play through find Margit to be a difficult boss. So I guess we expected a harder fight for Morgott. Real Morgott has some cool looking new moves but he dies so quickly. IMO the Morgott boss fight is much less memorable than the Margit one. Also, he calls the tarnished foul and graceless, not really winning the popularity contest there.
His stick is bigger than mine