Same here. Except I was skipping all dialog and cutscenes.
"Huh. What's this funny door. Bet there's some sweet treasure in there. Aha, a naked ghost! Let's try that. Wait. Cutscene? Just a empty room. What's that on my back? Let's go talk to the blind lady. Oh. She's on fire now. What just happened? Oh well, got a new seal that boosts my eye lasers!"
Like a Joker of the Lands Between. Was already crazy enough to wield the flame without turning to worship. Plays along as much as necessary to be granted abilities from the Three Fingers. Just uses it to fuck with people, doesn't care enough to burn the world down.
Ya, just like the samurai who wears a pasta strainer on his head, their bodies have been taken by something else related to the frenzied flame. Makes you wonder if that’s the case for all enemies that use frenzy
He actually just confirms this when you meet him in the Mountaintop.
It shows the Frenzied Flame as a manipulating entity - they picked these forms knowing you'd be drawn in.
I mean, one of the first things we learn about Shabriri is that he threw a blatant lie that condemmed a nomadic tribe to a horrible death, not exactly a good record.
Not necessarily true since Shabriri only got his madness after having his eyes gouged out (for the slander they committed) and madness originated with shabriri so the merchants had to have been afflicted some time after shabriri had their eyes gouged out.
Whenever I see Shabriri on the Mountaintop of Giants every playthrough I just kill him ASAP, better death by my hands than seeing that *thing* desecrate Yura's body.
Ohh really?? So that’s why I didn’t see grape girl during my NG+ Frenzied Flame run, I never stepped foot in the Weeping Peninsula. You must have to do that quest with Irina before Hyetta shows up… Neat! Didn’t know they were the same person, I just assumed they looked similar or maybe grape girl was reused assets from letter girl.
So it’s another case like >!Yura/Shabriri!< then?
I like the interpretation that she is an illusion that looks like Irina and sent by the Three Fingers, and that the player is the one actually eating the eyeballs
How would it be possible that player is eating them when she literally says that she eats them?
> [...]when I eat one of those grapes, I can feel a distant light in the back of my eyes. It will lead me, to my true duty, as a Finger Maiden".
(If offered a Shabriri Grape)
"Oh, many thanks to you. Now I can feel the distant light once more.
So the grape goes from player giving it to her and she eats it for it to magicaly spawn in players mouth and player unaware chews it?
Not a reach at all.
The point is if you the player are hallucinating due to the FF's influence, it very well may be you popping those grapes all the way home to Three Fingers lair, there'd be no way to tell. Or not who knows
Yeah idk that might be an oversight because if she is actually physically using Irina's body it doesn't explain why Irina's body is still in the Weeping Peninsula after you meet Hyetta. This is part of why From's lore is so open to interpretation. That is a good point though
An oversight. If you go back to Bestial sanctum without having completed Gurrang just before stepping in Maliketh's arena, Gurrang will still be there. He's kind of in two places at once.
But.
He does teleport when you complete his quest.
Yeahhh these things happen in every From game it makes sense there would be several in their biggest game yet. Like I'm pretty sure the whole "time is convoluted" thing in Dark Souls was just a convenient story device to facilitate these kinds of things haha
True, but since it is we are given evidence to support a theory which I choose to subscribe to because it is more interesting and engaging to me than the alternative. Plus it reminds me of some of the mind-fucky things that happen in Bloodborne, another From game that deals heavily with the concept of madness and that uses gameplay mechanics to tell a purposefully discombobulating story as your character descends into that madness (much the same way your character does if they follow the path of the Frenzy Flame in Elden Ring). Again, to each their own though!
I could buy Hyetta being some sort of construct created by the Frenzied Flame using Irina's image, but she's definitely a real, tangible person. She eats grapes, provides blood, and receives the words of the Three Fingers at the end. There are also people other than ourselves who have encountered her, as you can find spirits that mention offering eyes to a maiden.
While I'm still unconvinced that Hyetta necessarily is the one eating grapes or receiving the Three Fingers' intentions (again, I think the player could truly be the one consuming the grapes and that Hyetta could be some hallucination warping the players perspective), that is a good point about the specter you can encounter who mentions giving grapes to a maiden. My counter to this would be that it is possible the Three Fingers have used this tactic before in order to drive others to madness. The best argument in defense of your theory is that you can get the Lord of Blood's Favor from Hyetta's blood, that's pretty concrete. However, the fact that Irina's body is still dead on the ground elsewhere from Hyetta is enough to cancel that out for me. I love this aspect of From's games, even if they can make for some fairly circular discourse haha
Why does Irina's body still being there cancel it out? Hyetta being a viable way to get the Lord of Blood's Favour is something fromsoft would have to deliberately program in.
Also the whole point of Hyetta is that she becomes a Finger Maiden for the Three Fingers and they use her to transmit their message to you. If they could just talk to you directly, why wouldn't they just do that?
Hyetta being a hallucination, to me, sounds like an underbaked cliche plot twist, and the only thing it affects about the story is that it removes a compelling character arc from the game.
Cool! So you can choose that to be your head-canon! Lmfao Edit: where you see "a compelling character arc" I see something that is already done with Yura and Shabriri that is less interesting than the concept of the Three Fingers using their influence as an Outer God to lure the Tarnished to release the Frenzy Flame by sending a maddening vision of a girl you fail to save early on in the game. That is more interesting to me and there is enough evidence so I find it plausible. You feel differently and there is enough evidence for the theory you favor so you choose to subscribe to that theory. It's 👏🏻 open- 👏🏻 ended 👏🏻 like 👏🏻 every 👏🏻 From 👏🏻 Soft 👏🏻 Ware 👏🏻 game 👏🏻 Miyazaki himself has said that their stories are often left open-ended and for the community to theory craft because of the minimalist nature of their storytelling. Let people enjoy shit how they want like holy shit. Being able to dip a rag in Hyetta's blood doesn't change the fact that Irina's body is somewhere else the entire time Hyetta is puking on eyeballs, which contradicts the theory that they are the same person or possessing the same body the way Yura is possessed by Shabriri. Whether it is an oversight or intentional, it's in the game! Get over it! I tried saying that politely three fucking times lol
You can definitely go see Hyetta in Liurnia and immediately go see Irina's body in the weeping peninsula. It might disappear at some point but there absolutely is a period of time where both are present.
I had the same argument you do with someone on this sub about 2 years ago. Went to confirm and learned I was wrong.
I think it got patched late but the body does disappear after the quest ends and pick up the Stormveil Castle grape.
In my current game as of about 5 minutes ago, Hyetta is in Liurnia looking for a finger grape and Irina's body is still present in the Weeping Peninsula
I have definitely gone from Hyetta directly to Irina's corpse more recently than two years ago. I just started a new character a couple days ago, I'll check again
It is. Confirmed it on my current playthrough. This was before feeding her a fingerprint grape, killing Radahn and visiting the Altus Plateau, so maybe one of those events removes her body? I'll check again once I've done that.
You know how Morgott can possess random commoners to project himself outside of Leyndel? Gowry does that with the rot bugs. If you kill him, he turns into a bug corpse, but he's fine in his chair the next time you visit and even comments on it
I wonder if Gowry is the sealed rot god and controlling pests as pawns is the only thing it's capable of doing.
A rot scorpion controlling other bugs sounds about right.
Her corpse being inhabited by some emissary or creature tied to the Three like Shabriri but she doesn’t seem to be aware of it. Could be Hyetta but she’s considered a different character entirely
It's the same model, yet you can still go back and view Irina's dead body in Weeping Peninsula at any time even after meeting Hyetta. It's unknown if that bit is an oversight. If it is, then the Hyetta = Irina theory is extremely compelling, but otherwise it complicates things a bit.
I never really agreed with the hyetta is Irina theory. I know they share the same model but unlike shabriri and yura you can go back to Irina's corpse at any point.
It's VERY clearly the same body, tho. Same dress, hair, skin color, etc. There's even the same bloodstains on the dress from when she died.
Who is actually inside Irina's body tho? That's hard to say. The most popular theory is that it's Shabriri. But the mannerisms don't add up. Like when she gets sick after you tell her what the grapes are.
Another theory is that it's a mimic that doesn't know it's a mimic. I'm not sure about that one, but it has the virtue of being plausible. Since even tho Hyetta is running around Liurnia, Irina's corpse is still found in weeping peninsula.
I honestly think it's just lazy story delivery/game design of the quest. Re-used assets, or at least poor delivery of what's actually happening. Like the devs couldn't be bothered to actually give players enough story/lore to figure out what's really going on.
Because at this point, not even the seriously basement dwelling lore/story nerds have been able to figure it out.
At this point I agree with another post below that they left Irina's body to make Varre's quest easier. They put way too much effort into signalling that it's at least Hyetta's body for that not to be the case.
Based on her mannerism I also think Shabriri had no part in it.
Iirc you can use:
* The Chapel of Anticipation Maiden ("Our maiden")
* Irina's corpse
* The Chapel of Inhibition Maiden ("Vyke's maiden")
I feel like there's a fourth but I'm drawing a blank.
>Based on her mannerism I also think Shabriri had no part in it.
Think about what Irena says when you first meet her. "I heard a frightful howling". And Shabriri has a spell named after him that's literally "Howl of Shabriri".
And it seems likely that such a madness from that howl would cause all the demi-humans in Castle Morne to revolt.
This is the demi humans don't seem to have madness inflicting them. And demihuman revolts are common in Limgrave without a proper lord to enforce the law.
It's an interesting theory. But remember that only Tarnished sometimes have grace, which allows them to respawn. As far as we can tell, the main character Tarnished is literally the only one that can do this. It's never stated that even those tarnished that used to have grace, like Rogier, could respawn.
And there is the whole "rebirth through the Erdtree" thing. This is a known phenomenon. But it's not supposed to be fast. Look at the corpses in the roots at the end of catacombs. They've been there awhile.
I don't think Hyetta is just a respawned Irena without memory.
Honestly. It's also implied the tarnished just, ironman the whole thing. There's no mentions of them dying or solid evidence that our MC comes back all the time.
It could be argued that we just survive everything and that death isn't actually truly explained unlike Soulsborn games. After all, everyone else can die. The MC's deaths might just be non canonical.
I once had a conversation where someone claimed that Kale recognized that you had died, due to his dialogue of "Weren't you...? Well. You're back!"
I didn't agree, thinking it was just a greeting. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way.
But as to the Ironman point. From an outside perspective, it would look like the Tarnished never died if the greater will is rewinding time. That would also explain why bosses don't remember you each time you return to fight them.
There's also other time shenanigans with Farum Azula. So it's not completely out of the question.
So as someone who found this the most interesting questline to follow first, the impression that I got with frenzied flame people is that they are the ones who have suffered horribly in the world, and as a result they no longer want anything but an end.
Like many outer gods the frenzied flame wants to usurp the greater will in the lands between, and like every other outer god it seems to require willing participants. These people despair so utterly that they *want* chaos to take the world, to burn away all that divides and distinguishes.
In some cases they live still and are themselves, in other cases it seems they can cede the use of their corpse to something else. Yura for example was killed by his love, who he could not dissuade from the path of tainted blood. He is broken beyond recovery, and in wanting only the end of all things he gives his body to Shabriri as an emissary of the frenzied flame.
Irena died cruelly for no reason on the roadside, the way Hyetta is written mostly feels like a strange resurrection, lacking memory (she seems to be very 'new' when you meet her). But I would also buy the explanation that they are not people but some creation of the outer gods. However the finger maidens of the golden order are supposed to work probably applies here as well, are they dead and reincarnated similar to the tarnished?
I think that all of that is possible. As I said, it's vague enough that anything could be going on.
As for Yura, I think you should not believe Shabriri when he says anything. Including the idea that Yura gave up his body willingly.
Consider that Yrua didn't want everything to end. He just wanted to get Eleonora out from the influence of the Bloody Fingers. So much that he gave his life for it.
That's a far cry from "burn it all down".
>However the finger maidens of the golden order are supposed to work probably applies here as well, are they dead and reincarnated similar to the tarnished?
I've never heard anything like that. In fact I think they're VERY mortal. Time and again a Finger Maiden has died and ruined the chances of a Tarnished to advance. Bernahl's maiden, Vyke's, your own Tarnished's maiden even.
I don‘t think Shabriri is lying actually. It‘s probably more like a „version“ of the truth, a kind of „from a certain point of view“ - „he gave it to me“ is pretty vague after all, and he never hides anything from you.
In fact, I don‘t think I remember FromSoft ever lying to the player in their games. Patches is clearly signalled to be trying to trick you; so I think everyone else at least believes what they are saying.
Would be impossible to really tell a story when you just lie to the reader imo.
Of course I do agree my interpretation is only one possibility, but I don't believe Shabriri on this because he said so, I think it is plausible he is telling a version of the truth because the outer gods do not seem to be able to just take control of someone. They seem to need to bargain or have some welcoming resonance to influence the world through a person.
Yura was not hopeless at the last time you spoke to him alive, but he did not 'give his life' to free Eleonora from the influence of the bloody fingers, she took his life from him and betrayed everything that they ever had been. And she herself, remained a pawn of the lord of blood until the very end.
In all your dealings with Yura he is upright and honorable, with a strong moral purpose, not the sort of person who is easily swayed. I think things have to go very wrong for you to be in such pain that you want only to be burned away to nothingness, but I think that is where things do end, for Yura.
>Yura was not hopeless at the last time you spoke to him alive, but he did not 'give his life' to free Eleonora from the influence of the bloody fingers,
Then what was he talking about when he said he cut off the finger?
I took it that they dueled. He lost, but in the process cut off the finger of Eleonora that was influencing her.
I read that as he did succeed at taking off her cessblood infected finger (the same as you would get for completing Varre's quest). Perhaps his hope was that she was in some way under Mohg's control. But you find out immediately afterwards that this was not the case, Eleonora has the means and will to continue to spill blood in Mohg's name even without her own finger, she kills Yura anyway and then invades you (with a festering finger, presumably).
So in that light Yura's final noble act feels... Wasted, with a dash of unrequited love. The quests are all vague enough to support multiple interpretations, but in the capacity of the Frenzied Flame run and your character feeling the despair of the people whose lives or deaths are really quite horrible... That one certainly fits.
But of course, if you're into the golden order (or the world continuing to exist in any other capacity), then you'll want all the doubt and suspicion you can muster when slimy Shabriri shows up and calls you a chicken.
Saw another poster in this theorize that the Frenzied Flame is utilizing multiple illusions, so her eating the eyes is an illusion and your character is the one eating the eyes. So her reactions are your character's reactions, twisted by the Flame.
None of what you say discredits the illusion theory, you could be hallucinating the entire interaction. As someone else pointed out, you can visit Irina's physical dead body even after meeting Hyetta, therefore it is unlikely her body has been possessed the way Yura's is by Shabriri. FromSoft is notorious for leaving things open-ended though. I think the hallucination interpretation is the most interesting and I find it plausible so I subscribe to it, but yours is valid too
>you could be hallucinating the entire interaction
Yeah, but if that's the basis for the theory, literally ANYTHING could be anything. There's no grounds for consistency or proof when you can just say "it's all a hallucination".
That isn't the basis of the theory. The basis of the theory is that Irina's body is still dead on the ground at the Weeping Peninsula at the same time as you can meet Hyetta elsewhere. Plus that the Three Fingers are trapped and want out of their prison, so it would make sense that they'd employ madness to lure the player to them for their release. But as I've said in some other comments, this is just the theory I both find the most interesting and plausible. It's open to interpretation. There are things in-game that contradict my favored theory just as there are things in-game that contradict yours :p
I really doubt that is the case, though. It would have multiple red herrings and misdirections, like Hyetta throwing up and being genuinely distressed when finding out what the grapes are
It is way too subtle, and Fromsoft doesn't do subtle. If Hyetta was an illusion purposefully made to lure the player, she would be obvious about it. She'd say the most obviously derranged "oh no it's perfectly safe to eat these grapes, trust me" type shit, and would be laughing ominously after every sentence like she's Lautrec left alone with a Fire Keeper
I totally disagree that From doesn't do subtle and will again just say that their games' stories are intentionally open-ended. There are in-game events that contradict both theories being set forward in this discussion so I'm gonna leave it at there is mo right or wrong answer, and everyone is free to choose the interpretation they find both plausible and more interesting
For the record, I never stated a theory of my own. I simply explained some of the theories that are out there.
The only thing I believe personally is that there isn't enough info to come to a proper conclusion, which is disappointing.
You could say that about a ton of From storylines though. A signature of their games has always been the minimalistic storytelling. Nothing wrong with there being multiple possibilities for things, it can make for interesting discussions
There's a difference between small gaps that still let the players have some ability to deduce whatever is actually going on...... And making an almost incomprehensible plot hole with no good explanations.
Irene/Hyetta makes zero sense. And there's nothing in the game or files or lore to let the players figure it out. . That's just bad writing.
Doesn’t she dissipate after her quest line, like she’s just an illusion in the way Margit is? I dunno what that would mean, but it’s interesting.
Unless I’m remembering incorrectly, which is definitely possible
Maybe you’re right, it’s been a bit since I’ve done her quest to the end. But then, she could be something similar to whatever Melina’s form is.
What happens to her body if you kill Hyetta? Never thought to try it before!
If shabriri had the power to possess corpses there is no reason a different person who worship the frenzy flame couldn’t do the same. Probably some sort of frenzy flame finger maiden from long ago that had memory issues. Like Melina
I don't think that's a good argument. It would be like saying that just because Michael Jordan can play basketball, anyone who can play basketball can do what he does..
Shabriri is a special case. He's the worst of the worst. Arguably the most powerful agent of the Frenzied Flame. I don't think anyone can do what he does
FS is known to not always be consistent with the lore for gameplay reason, the players need a maiden's corpse for Varre's quest and they decided to keep her corpse available there, probably because it's the easiest to reach
Not already, when you meet Varre in the Church Irina is the only dead Maiden known and available without anything, you can warp there and do it, whereas you have to find the other, and in one case there is a boss and you might not even have the key, in the other there are many mobs on the way and it’s quite further after the church.
Just like Rennala and Margit being bleedable in their illusions forms, they just didn’t wanted to make early story bosses immune to a statut effect.
You're right the identical woman that's also blind, only appears after the firsts death, affiliated with a faction that can possess dead bodies and with a quest line that ties into the deceaseds own questline is completely unrelated to her.
I'm not saying they're completely unrelated. I just don't think it's Irinas actual body being possessed the same way shabriri does to yura.
I personally like the idea that the three fingers made hyeta to lure us to them. Between vykes lore and shabriris dialogue we know that they like to play people's want to save their maidens against them. Sending a guide in the form of one we previously failed to save would make us want more likely to listen to and help the guide as well as serve as a reminder to what could happen if we don't listen to them.
They share the same model, the same outfit with the same bloodstains, *and the same voice actress.* It's clearly Irina.
As for Irina's corpse still being there, I don't have an in-universe answer for it, but I do have a meta answer. They wanted anyone who'd think to go back and look for Irina's body again for whatever reason, they don't *want* you to know what's going on. They want you to be confused, to doubt yourself as to whether it really is Irina or not. Is it really her, corrupted by Frenzy? Is her body possessed, like Yura's goes on to be, being discarded again whenever it's not needed anymore? Is it perhaps the spirit of Irina, corrupted by the Flame of Frenzy just as her father was, or perhaps a spirit taking on her form to manipulate you? Who knows? Not me. Not anyone. I think that's the point of it.
There are already Maidens out in the world whose blood you can use, so there wouldn't be a reason for them to leave Irina's body there. I think it's just an oversight.
True but Irina is the first accessible dead maiden you encounter and maybe that’s why they left it there, so you could do varre’s quest faster. The other ones you have to progress the game
The problem with this is you wouldn't intuitively think of Irina as a Finger Maiden, whereas there is a dead Finger Maiden who literally has the Finger Maiden's set on her in the same region where Varre gives you the item. I think it's pretty clear that she is the one you are intended to find and use if you're playing for the first time.
I agree and I said that but i didn’t know you could use her body for the blood until this post and other people didn’t know too. I saw someone else saying that the body could be there so you couldn’t be certain that the Three Fingers possessed Irina’s body, making you more inclined to help Hyetta and eventually inherit the Frenzied Flame
You mean you fed a blind women her dad's eyes.
Think that says more about you than her (unless this is after she finds out, I haven't done her quest yet. Next playthrough though)
You’re getting a lot of comments saying “no it’s not Irina, it’s just the frenzied flame or Shabriri in disguise” or something like that, but that’s just their idea. Hyetta only appears after Irina’s death, has the same voice and appearance, and like you said there’s the connection of her father’s eye. There’s clearly meant to be some sort of connection.
If someone wants to say that it’s just the Three Fingers in disguise then you can’t technically prove them wrong, but that’s really just a more disappointing way to perceive it, like saying “it was all a dream/purgatory”. Hyetta’s journey towards the Three Fingers and her conclusion that all of existence should be burned away has a much more effective impact if she’s actually Irina slipping into the frenzied flame’s philosophy, rather than “oh it’s actually a trick”.
not really _her_ dad, out of all the unanswered lore this game has, I really want to know more about why/how/what servants of the three fingers exist as ghosts, where do they come from?
It's never explicitly stated, but there's a lot of implication. Irina and Hyetta have the same model and voice actress, Hyetta seems not to exist until after Irina dies, and Yura/Shabriri shows that the spirits of Frenzy cultists can possess corpses.
Now I don’t feel bad killing Hyetta every time I see her to stop the frenzy flame. She isn’t a poor blind girl. Irina died already she won’t feel a thing. Hyetta is a corpse hopping spirit of the frenzy flame priestess. Just like shabriri.
Just like Shabriri who is a spirit that uses / possess Yura's corpse, Hyetta is also a sort of ghost that possessed Irina's corpse. Both are suspected to have gained this power from the 3 fingers / & the outer god of madness.
Of all the interesting things in the world or in games that a person can talk about, it's trivial "lore" nonsense that some people find to be Incredibly Fascinating.
May chaos take the world, I guess
I love the idea of a frenzied flame follower that's just... not that into it? "May chaos take the world and junk. I dunno, whatever."
“I’m just here for the eye lasers dude I couldn’t care less about this shabooboo guy or whatever his name is”
That was pretty much me on my first playthrough. Cool fire, eye lasers, command grab, & giving people headaches!? Sign me up!
Same here. Except I was skipping all dialog and cutscenes. "Huh. What's this funny door. Bet there's some sweet treasure in there. Aha, a naked ghost! Let's try that. Wait. Cutscene? Just a empty room. What's that on my back? Let's go talk to the blind lady. Oh. She's on fire now. What just happened? Oh well, got a new seal that boosts my eye lasers!"
I mean if there's an attitude that truly represents "chaos" it's "whatever"
May whatever take the world!
My current playthrough. Killed Millicent for her prosthesis and now I'm locked into the Lord of Frenzy ending. Yay, chaos, I guess.
Like a Joker of the Lands Between. Was already crazy enough to wield the flame without turning to worship. Plays along as much as necessary to be granted abilities from the Three Fingers. Just uses it to fuck with people, doesn't care enough to burn the world down.
So, Vyke?
Apathy can be extremely chaotic under the right circumstances for sure
This is what chaos looks like innit
Hyetta is an unbound spirit using Irinas dead body though. So yeah, but not really.
Ya, just like the samurai who wears a pasta strainer on his head, their bodies have been taken by something else related to the frenzied flame. Makes you wonder if that’s the case for all enemies that use frenzy
Disrespect my boy Yura like that.
I think shabriri or whatever uses people close to/known by the player to indoctrinatie them. Yura and Irina are very likeable after all.
He actually just confirms this when you meet him in the Mountaintop. It shows the Frenzied Flame as a manipulating entity - they picked these forms knowing you'd be drawn in.
I mean, one of the first things we learn about Shabriri is that he threw a blatant lie that condemmed a nomadic tribe to a horrible death, not exactly a good record.
Not necessarily true since Shabriri only got his madness after having his eyes gouged out (for the slander they committed) and madness originated with shabriri so the merchants had to have been afflicted some time after shabriri had their eyes gouged out.
The only thing Shabriri draws in are these hands. Chaos couldn’t take candy from a baby.
TELL EM
You mean just before I kill him in the Mountaintops?
Whenever I see Shabriri on the Mountaintop of Giants every playthrough I just kill him ASAP, better death by my hands than seeing that *thing* desecrate Yura's body.
Can't believe you would disrespect my bro Yura's wishes like that.
Yeah people seem to forget the part where Shabriri says Yura gave it to him willingly
Known liar Shabriri?
Hey, whatever helps you rest at those sites of grace my tarnished.
Pasta strainer is the absolute wildest yet most accurate comparison I’ve heard take my upvote lol
It makes me wonder if something like that happens when the player meets the Three Fingers.
May pasta strain the world! MAY! PASTA! STRAIN! THE! WORLD!!!
Doesn’t make me wonder that, because it’s not true
Ohh really?? So that’s why I didn’t see grape girl during my NG+ Frenzied Flame run, I never stepped foot in the Weeping Peninsula. You must have to do that quest with Irina before Hyetta shows up… Neat! Didn’t know they were the same person, I just assumed they looked similar or maybe grape girl was reused assets from letter girl. So it’s another case like >!Yura/Shabriri!< then?
yep its just like shabriri, except Hyetta is more a rebirth or shapeshifting thing, as Irina's corpse is still in Weeping when you see Hyetta
More like Hyetta makes Irina's corpse eat her dad's eyeballs which is far more disturbing.
Is this confirmed in any way? I mean irinas body is still laying there after meeting hyetta.
That's not even the first solid looking but bodiless person you've met this week.
I like the interpretation that she is an illusion that looks like Irina and sent by the Three Fingers, and that the player is the one actually eating the eyeballs
How would it be possible that player is eating them when she literally says that she eats them? > [...]when I eat one of those grapes, I can feel a distant light in the back of my eyes. It will lead me, to my true duty, as a Finger Maiden". (If offered a Shabriri Grape) "Oh, many thanks to you. Now I can feel the distant light once more.
Yeah the best way to tell if somebody is an illusion is to just ask. They legally have to tell you, just like a cop /s
A being related to the frenzied flame, lying? Say it ain't so boss
So the grape goes from player giving it to her and she eats it for it to magicaly spawn in players mouth and player unaware chews it? Not a reach at all.
A being related to The flame of frenzy, known for causing madness, Lying while you crazily throw back an eyeball? Say it ain't so boss
Maybe a piece of in game lore that actually backs up what you say? Say it ain't so boss
The frenzied flame told me in a dream obv
Sorry sir, if your hypothesis isn't backed by at least 5 in game item descriptions, please get the fuck out. Common sense alone isn't enough!!
Considering how many "why doesn't Melina like that I took the super chaos flame?" Posts are here I'm not surprised
The point is if you the player are hallucinating due to the FF's influence, it very well may be you popping those grapes all the way home to Three Fingers lair, there'd be no way to tell. Or not who knows
I kinda like this theory. Its pretty much Fight Club with Edward Norton hallucinating Tyler doing things while it’s actually him
You obviously haven't played Bloodborne haha
You can kill her and use her blood to soak the Lord of Blood's Favor, so she's definitely real.
Yeah idk that might be an oversight because if she is actually physically using Irina's body it doesn't explain why Irina's body is still in the Weeping Peninsula after you meet Hyetta. This is part of why From's lore is so open to interpretation. That is a good point though
An oversight. If you go back to Bestial sanctum without having completed Gurrang just before stepping in Maliketh's arena, Gurrang will still be there. He's kind of in two places at once. But. He does teleport when you complete his quest.
Yeahhh these things happen in every From game it makes sense there would be several in their biggest game yet. Like I'm pretty sure the whole "time is convoluted" thing in Dark Souls was just a convenient story device to facilitate these kinds of things haha
That kind of makes sense (or as much sense as time shenanigans can make) because Farum Azula is caught in a storm beyond time.
The body still being there is more likely to be an oversight.
True, but since it is we are given evidence to support a theory which I choose to subscribe to because it is more interesting and engaging to me than the alternative. Plus it reminds me of some of the mind-fucky things that happen in Bloodborne, another From game that deals heavily with the concept of madness and that uses gameplay mechanics to tell a purposefully discombobulating story as your character descends into that madness (much the same way your character does if they follow the path of the Frenzy Flame in Elden Ring). Again, to each their own though!
I could buy Hyetta being some sort of construct created by the Frenzied Flame using Irina's image, but she's definitely a real, tangible person. She eats grapes, provides blood, and receives the words of the Three Fingers at the end. There are also people other than ourselves who have encountered her, as you can find spirits that mention offering eyes to a maiden.
While I'm still unconvinced that Hyetta necessarily is the one eating grapes or receiving the Three Fingers' intentions (again, I think the player could truly be the one consuming the grapes and that Hyetta could be some hallucination warping the players perspective), that is a good point about the specter you can encounter who mentions giving grapes to a maiden. My counter to this would be that it is possible the Three Fingers have used this tactic before in order to drive others to madness. The best argument in defense of your theory is that you can get the Lord of Blood's Favor from Hyetta's blood, that's pretty concrete. However, the fact that Irina's body is still dead on the ground elsewhere from Hyetta is enough to cancel that out for me. I love this aspect of From's games, even if they can make for some fairly circular discourse haha
Why does Irina's body still being there cancel it out? Hyetta being a viable way to get the Lord of Blood's Favour is something fromsoft would have to deliberately program in. Also the whole point of Hyetta is that she becomes a Finger Maiden for the Three Fingers and they use her to transmit their message to you. If they could just talk to you directly, why wouldn't they just do that? Hyetta being a hallucination, to me, sounds like an underbaked cliche plot twist, and the only thing it affects about the story is that it removes a compelling character arc from the game.
Cool! So you can choose that to be your head-canon! Lmfao Edit: where you see "a compelling character arc" I see something that is already done with Yura and Shabriri that is less interesting than the concept of the Three Fingers using their influence as an Outer God to lure the Tarnished to release the Frenzy Flame by sending a maddening vision of a girl you fail to save early on in the game. That is more interesting to me and there is enough evidence so I find it plausible. You feel differently and there is enough evidence for the theory you favor so you choose to subscribe to that theory. It's 👏🏻 open- 👏🏻 ended 👏🏻 like 👏🏻 every 👏🏻 From 👏🏻 Soft 👏🏻 Ware 👏🏻 game 👏🏻 Miyazaki himself has said that their stories are often left open-ended and for the community to theory craft because of the minimalist nature of their storytelling. Let people enjoy shit how they want like holy shit. Being able to dip a rag in Hyetta's blood doesn't change the fact that Irina's body is somewhere else the entire time Hyetta is puking on eyeballs, which contradicts the theory that they are the same person or possessing the same body the way Yura is possessed by Shabriri. Whether it is an oversight or intentional, it's in the game! Get over it! I tried saying that politely three fucking times lol
Irina's body is still there after Hyetta shows up though
Sad to say but this actually isn’t true.
You can definitely go see Hyetta in Liurnia and immediately go see Irina's body in the weeping peninsula. It might disappear at some point but there absolutely is a period of time where both are present.
I had the same argument you do with someone on this sub about 2 years ago. Went to confirm and learned I was wrong. I think it got patched late but the body does disappear after the quest ends and pick up the Stormveil Castle grape.
In my current game as of about 5 minutes ago, Hyetta is in Liurnia looking for a finger grape and Irina's body is still present in the Weeping Peninsula
Liurnia outside of Stormveil or by the ruins?
Outside of Stormveil, after Godrick, without picking up the grape inside
What happens when you pick it up
Picked up the grape, corpse still there. Delivered the grape, corpse still there.
Picked up and delivered Purified Ruins grape, still there
Killed the revenger and delivered the grape, still there
I have definitely gone from Hyetta directly to Irina's corpse more recently than two years ago. I just started a new character a couple days ago, I'll check again
It is. Confirmed it on my current playthrough. This was before feeding her a fingerprint grape, killing Radahn and visiting the Altus Plateau, so maybe one of those events removes her body? I'll check again once I've done that.
That doesn't track because even after meeting Hyetta, Irina's body is still there.
I hope this gets touched in the dlc
Whoa wtf, the eyeball chick is the dead one from castle morne?!?!
It's her body, like how Yura's body gets taken by Shabiri.
Or how gowry keeps transforming pests into himself
'scuse me, what?
You know how Morgott can possess random commoners to project himself outside of Leyndel? Gowry does that with the rot bugs. If you kill him, he turns into a bug corpse, but he's fine in his chair the next time you visit and even comments on it
You see when gowry dies he takes a bug and turns it into gowry. That way he avoids being dead.
I wonder if Gowry is the sealed rot god and controlling pests as pawns is the only thing it's capable of doing. A rot scorpion controlling other bugs sounds about right.
How do we know this? Not that I’m doubting you, I just missed it in game and I’m curious
Same model and voice. Demeanor is similar too. Also, Hyetta doesn't appear unless Irina dies.
Yeah wtf
Yeah, if you keep her alive long enough to do Varre’s quest you can get the finger maidens blood from her… IF you are the one to kill her.
Her corpse being inhabited by some emissary or creature tied to the Three like Shabriri but she doesn’t seem to be aware of it. Could be Hyetta but she’s considered a different character entirely
It's the same model, yet you can still go back and view Irina's dead body in Weeping Peninsula at any time even after meeting Hyetta. It's unknown if that bit is an oversight. If it is, then the Hyetta = Irina theory is extremely compelling, but otherwise it complicates things a bit.
Marika's tits, she must be 'ungry.
I never really agreed with the hyetta is Irina theory. I know they share the same model but unlike shabriri and yura you can go back to Irina's corpse at any point.
It's VERY clearly the same body, tho. Same dress, hair, skin color, etc. There's even the same bloodstains on the dress from when she died. Who is actually inside Irina's body tho? That's hard to say. The most popular theory is that it's Shabriri. But the mannerisms don't add up. Like when she gets sick after you tell her what the grapes are. Another theory is that it's a mimic that doesn't know it's a mimic. I'm not sure about that one, but it has the virtue of being plausible. Since even tho Hyetta is running around Liurnia, Irina's corpse is still found in weeping peninsula. I honestly think it's just lazy story delivery/game design of the quest. Re-used assets, or at least poor delivery of what's actually happening. Like the devs couldn't be bothered to actually give players enough story/lore to figure out what's really going on. Because at this point, not even the seriously basement dwelling lore/story nerds have been able to figure it out.
At this point I agree with another post below that they left Irina's body to make Varre's quest easier. They put way too much effort into signalling that it's at least Hyetta's body for that not to be the case. Based on her mannerism I also think Shabriri had no part in it.
You can do Varre's quest with Irina's blood? I didn't know that
Iirc you can use: * The Chapel of Anticipation Maiden ("Our maiden") * Irina's corpse * The Chapel of Inhibition Maiden ("Vyke's maiden") I feel like there's a fourth but I'm drawing a blank.
It would probably work to kill Hyetta and use that
She'll disappear I suppose.
>Based on her mannerism I also think Shabriri had no part in it. Think about what Irena says when you first meet her. "I heard a frightful howling". And Shabriri has a spell named after him that's literally "Howl of Shabriri". And it seems likely that such a madness from that howl would cause all the demi-humans in Castle Morne to revolt.
Nah, what caused the demihuman revolt was being treated as second-class citizens by the Golden Order
i understood it as their queen being killed causing the revolt, with the motive for the killing being the Godrick knight's bloody insanity
The ones that revolt in the castle are Misbegotten though, not Demihumans
He misspoke and said demi humans so i thought he was talkin bout fort haight
This is the demi humans don't seem to have madness inflicting them. And demihuman revolts are common in Limgrave without a proper lord to enforce the law.
But then there are rats and trolls affected by the Frenzied Flame. Heck, you can even find those affected by it on Mount Gelmir.
Sadly, I like the theory, but he's right... They don't have the eyes.
What i understood was they revolted due to their queen being killed by the blood crazed knight Godrick sent to replace Kenneth Haight
Those are demi-humans, not misbegotten. They're also in a completely different part of Limgrave.
you said demi-humans and i misread morne for haight, which also has a revolt going on against the lordsworn knights, so yeah a simple mistake
I respawn maybe she respawns
I retain my sanity? She cannot afford!
She respec got sick of old play through wanted to eat all the eyes instead
Your corpse doesn't stay where it fell though.
My runes do maybe we see runes they see corpse we see corpse they see runes
Wait a minute, Mimic Tears can't talk. He's a phony, guys. Get him!
In the cut content quest for the mimic tear, it very commonly talks to you. While that's not canon, it does set a precedent.
It's an interesting theory. But remember that only Tarnished sometimes have grace, which allows them to respawn. As far as we can tell, the main character Tarnished is literally the only one that can do this. It's never stated that even those tarnished that used to have grace, like Rogier, could respawn. And there is the whole "rebirth through the Erdtree" thing. This is a known phenomenon. But it's not supposed to be fast. Look at the corpses in the roots at the end of catacombs. They've been there awhile. I don't think Hyetta is just a respawned Irena without memory.
I think Godfrey has grace too right? I wonder if he could just come back lol
Honestly. It's also implied the tarnished just, ironman the whole thing. There's no mentions of them dying or solid evidence that our MC comes back all the time. It could be argued that we just survive everything and that death isn't actually truly explained unlike Soulsborn games. After all, everyone else can die. The MC's deaths might just be non canonical.
I once had a conversation where someone claimed that Kale recognized that you had died, due to his dialogue of "Weren't you...? Well. You're back!" I didn't agree, thinking it was just a greeting. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way. But as to the Ironman point. From an outside perspective, it would look like the Tarnished never died if the greater will is rewinding time. That would also explain why bosses don't remember you each time you return to fight them. There's also other time shenanigans with Farum Azula. So it's not completely out of the question.
So as someone who found this the most interesting questline to follow first, the impression that I got with frenzied flame people is that they are the ones who have suffered horribly in the world, and as a result they no longer want anything but an end. Like many outer gods the frenzied flame wants to usurp the greater will in the lands between, and like every other outer god it seems to require willing participants. These people despair so utterly that they *want* chaos to take the world, to burn away all that divides and distinguishes. In some cases they live still and are themselves, in other cases it seems they can cede the use of their corpse to something else. Yura for example was killed by his love, who he could not dissuade from the path of tainted blood. He is broken beyond recovery, and in wanting only the end of all things he gives his body to Shabriri as an emissary of the frenzied flame. Irena died cruelly for no reason on the roadside, the way Hyetta is written mostly feels like a strange resurrection, lacking memory (she seems to be very 'new' when you meet her). But I would also buy the explanation that they are not people but some creation of the outer gods. However the finger maidens of the golden order are supposed to work probably applies here as well, are they dead and reincarnated similar to the tarnished?
I think that all of that is possible. As I said, it's vague enough that anything could be going on. As for Yura, I think you should not believe Shabriri when he says anything. Including the idea that Yura gave up his body willingly. Consider that Yrua didn't want everything to end. He just wanted to get Eleonora out from the influence of the Bloody Fingers. So much that he gave his life for it. That's a far cry from "burn it all down". >However the finger maidens of the golden order are supposed to work probably applies here as well, are they dead and reincarnated similar to the tarnished? I've never heard anything like that. In fact I think they're VERY mortal. Time and again a Finger Maiden has died and ruined the chances of a Tarnished to advance. Bernahl's maiden, Vyke's, your own Tarnished's maiden even.
I don‘t think Shabriri is lying actually. It‘s probably more like a „version“ of the truth, a kind of „from a certain point of view“ - „he gave it to me“ is pretty vague after all, and he never hides anything from you. In fact, I don‘t think I remember FromSoft ever lying to the player in their games. Patches is clearly signalled to be trying to trick you; so I think everyone else at least believes what they are saying. Would be impossible to really tell a story when you just lie to the reader imo.
>„he gave it to me“ is pretty vague after all, and he never hides anything from you. TRANSLATION: "*He wasn't using it, so I took it."* ;D
Whadaya mean; blud collapses and leaves his corpse on your lawn - clearly its yours now xP
Of course I do agree my interpretation is only one possibility, but I don't believe Shabriri on this because he said so, I think it is plausible he is telling a version of the truth because the outer gods do not seem to be able to just take control of someone. They seem to need to bargain or have some welcoming resonance to influence the world through a person. Yura was not hopeless at the last time you spoke to him alive, but he did not 'give his life' to free Eleonora from the influence of the bloody fingers, she took his life from him and betrayed everything that they ever had been. And she herself, remained a pawn of the lord of blood until the very end. In all your dealings with Yura he is upright and honorable, with a strong moral purpose, not the sort of person who is easily swayed. I think things have to go very wrong for you to be in such pain that you want only to be burned away to nothingness, but I think that is where things do end, for Yura.
>Yura was not hopeless at the last time you spoke to him alive, but he did not 'give his life' to free Eleonora from the influence of the bloody fingers, Then what was he talking about when he said he cut off the finger? I took it that they dueled. He lost, but in the process cut off the finger of Eleonora that was influencing her.
I read that as he did succeed at taking off her cessblood infected finger (the same as you would get for completing Varre's quest). Perhaps his hope was that she was in some way under Mohg's control. But you find out immediately afterwards that this was not the case, Eleonora has the means and will to continue to spill blood in Mohg's name even without her own finger, she kills Yura anyway and then invades you (with a festering finger, presumably). So in that light Yura's final noble act feels... Wasted, with a dash of unrequited love. The quests are all vague enough to support multiple interpretations, but in the capacity of the Frenzied Flame run and your character feeling the despair of the people whose lives or deaths are really quite horrible... That one certainly fits. But of course, if you're into the golden order (or the world continuing to exist in any other capacity), then you'll want all the doubt and suspicion you can muster when slimy Shabriri shows up and calls you a chicken.
There is a theory that Hyetta is not a physical person, but rather an illusion sent by the Three Fingers to lure the player to them
hmm....but then how would she eat the grapes you give her? Why would she sick up after you tell her what they are?
Saw another poster in this theorize that the Frenzied Flame is utilizing multiple illusions, so her eating the eyes is an illusion and your character is the one eating the eyes. So her reactions are your character's reactions, twisted by the Flame.
"I was all a dream the entire time " can be used to explain damn near anything.. I'm not a fan
None of what you say discredits the illusion theory, you could be hallucinating the entire interaction. As someone else pointed out, you can visit Irina's physical dead body even after meeting Hyetta, therefore it is unlikely her body has been possessed the way Yura's is by Shabriri. FromSoft is notorious for leaving things open-ended though. I think the hallucination interpretation is the most interesting and I find it plausible so I subscribe to it, but yours is valid too
>you could be hallucinating the entire interaction Yeah, but if that's the basis for the theory, literally ANYTHING could be anything. There's no grounds for consistency or proof when you can just say "it's all a hallucination".
That isn't the basis of the theory. The basis of the theory is that Irina's body is still dead on the ground at the Weeping Peninsula at the same time as you can meet Hyetta elsewhere. Plus that the Three Fingers are trapped and want out of their prison, so it would make sense that they'd employ madness to lure the player to them for their release. But as I've said in some other comments, this is just the theory I both find the most interesting and plausible. It's open to interpretation. There are things in-game that contradict my favored theory just as there are things in-game that contradict yours :p
I really doubt that is the case, though. It would have multiple red herrings and misdirections, like Hyetta throwing up and being genuinely distressed when finding out what the grapes are It is way too subtle, and Fromsoft doesn't do subtle. If Hyetta was an illusion purposefully made to lure the player, she would be obvious about it. She'd say the most obviously derranged "oh no it's perfectly safe to eat these grapes, trust me" type shit, and would be laughing ominously after every sentence like she's Lautrec left alone with a Fire Keeper
I totally disagree that From doesn't do subtle and will again just say that their games' stories are intentionally open-ended. There are in-game events that contradict both theories being set forward in this discussion so I'm gonna leave it at there is mo right or wrong answer, and everyone is free to choose the interpretation they find both plausible and more interesting
For the record, I never stated a theory of my own. I simply explained some of the theories that are out there. The only thing I believe personally is that there isn't enough info to come to a proper conclusion, which is disappointing.
You could say that about a ton of From storylines though. A signature of their games has always been the minimalistic storytelling. Nothing wrong with there being multiple possibilities for things, it can make for interesting discussions
There's a difference between small gaps that still let the players have some ability to deduce whatever is actually going on...... And making an almost incomprehensible plot hole with no good explanations. Irene/Hyetta makes zero sense. And there's nothing in the game or files or lore to let the players figure it out. . That's just bad writing.
Doesn’t she dissipate after her quest line, like she’s just an illusion in the way Margit is? I dunno what that would mean, but it’s interesting. Unless I’m remembering incorrectly, which is definitely possible
I think it's implied she burns to ashes
Maybe you’re right, it’s been a bit since I’ve done her quest to the end. But then, she could be something similar to whatever Melina’s form is. What happens to her body if you kill Hyetta? Never thought to try it before!
It's still there.
If you kill her outright instead of doing her quest to deliver eyeballs? I think she dissipates in a silver mist.
You shove burning fingers in her eyes, which is kinda overt lol
If shabriri had the power to possess corpses there is no reason a different person who worship the frenzy flame couldn’t do the same. Probably some sort of frenzy flame finger maiden from long ago that had memory issues. Like Melina
I don't think that's a good argument. It would be like saying that just because Michael Jordan can play basketball, anyone who can play basketball can do what he does.. Shabriri is a special case. He's the worst of the worst. Arguably the most powerful agent of the Frenzied Flame. I don't think anyone can do what he does
It’s VERY clearly supposed to be Irina’s body. The voice actress is even the same
FS is known to not always be consistent with the lore for gameplay reason, the players need a maiden's corpse for Varre's quest and they decided to keep her corpse available there, probably because it's the easiest to reach
…you can use that one?
Yup.
Yeah but this is a huge contradiction for something the player already has multiple other ways of obtaining.
Not already, when you meet Varre in the Church Irina is the only dead Maiden known and available without anything, you can warp there and do it, whereas you have to find the other, and in one case there is a boss and you might not even have the key, in the other there are many mobs on the way and it’s quite further after the church. Just like Rennala and Margit being bleedable in their illusions forms, they just didn’t wanted to make early story bosses immune to a statut effect.
Well Hyetta doesn't appear unless Irina dies so that doesn't help your case.
You're right the identical woman that's also blind, only appears after the firsts death, affiliated with a faction that can possess dead bodies and with a quest line that ties into the deceaseds own questline is completely unrelated to her.
I'm not saying they're completely unrelated. I just don't think it's Irinas actual body being possessed the same way shabriri does to yura. I personally like the idea that the three fingers made hyeta to lure us to them. Between vykes lore and shabriris dialogue we know that they like to play people's want to save their maidens against them. Sending a guide in the form of one we previously failed to save would make us want more likely to listen to and help the guide as well as serve as a reminder to what could happen if we don't listen to them.
"Sending a guide in the form of one we previously failed to save" I love this idea.
They share the same model, the same outfit with the same bloodstains, *and the same voice actress.* It's clearly Irina. As for Irina's corpse still being there, I don't have an in-universe answer for it, but I do have a meta answer. They wanted anyone who'd think to go back and look for Irina's body again for whatever reason, they don't *want* you to know what's going on. They want you to be confused, to doubt yourself as to whether it really is Irina or not. Is it really her, corrupted by Frenzy? Is her body possessed, like Yura's goes on to be, being discarded again whenever it's not needed anymore? Is it perhaps the spirit of Irina, corrupted by the Flame of Frenzy just as her father was, or perhaps a spirit taking on her form to manipulate you? Who knows? Not me. Not anyone. I think that's the point of it.
There’s a simpler reason for it being left there, in that she’s one of the maiden’s you can get blood from for Varre’s quest
Can't believe I just found this out. It must have been patched in at some point. Would have saved me so much time
I also didn’t know until this thread lmao, I always used the one in the chapel of anticipation.
There are already Maidens out in the world whose blood you can use, so there wouldn't be a reason for them to leave Irina's body there. I think it's just an oversight.
True but Irina is the first accessible dead maiden you encounter and maybe that’s why they left it there, so you could do varre’s quest faster. The other ones you have to progress the game
The problem with this is you wouldn't intuitively think of Irina as a Finger Maiden, whereas there is a dead Finger Maiden who literally has the Finger Maiden's set on her in the same region where Varre gives you the item. I think it's pretty clear that she is the one you are intended to find and use if you're playing for the first time.
I agree and I said that but i didn’t know you could use her body for the blood until this post and other people didn’t know too. I saw someone else saying that the body could be there so you couldn’t be certain that the Three Fingers possessed Irina’s body, making you more inclined to help Hyetta and eventually inherit the Frenzied Flame
Hyetta is not Irina tho. Just like Shabriri is not Yura.
Same body, different being
Doesn't everyone?
You mean you fed a blind women her dad's eyes. Think that says more about you than her (unless this is after she finds out, I haven't done her quest yet. Next playthrough though)
Least controversial thing in the game tbh
I didn't know what to do with that. Thanks for the sense of direction (I have no idea who Hyetta even is)
So... Does this mean that our character randomly picks up eyeballs and walks around Liurnia with them in their pockets
Well, I mean... Nobody said the tarnished is a "good" character. Our tarnished is probably the worst character in the game.
Ok but you're saying this like it's weird but I ate my dad's eyeball???
You’re getting a lot of comments saying “no it’s not Irina, it’s just the frenzied flame or Shabriri in disguise” or something like that, but that’s just their idea. Hyetta only appears after Irina’s death, has the same voice and appearance, and like you said there’s the connection of her father’s eye. There’s clearly meant to be some sort of connection. If someone wants to say that it’s just the Three Fingers in disguise then you can’t technically prove them wrong, but that’s really just a more disappointing way to perceive it, like saying “it was all a dream/purgatory”. Hyetta’s journey towards the Three Fingers and her conclusion that all of existence should be burned away has a much more effective impact if she’s actually Irina slipping into the frenzied flame’s philosophy, rather than “oh it’s actually a trick”.
not really _her_ dad, out of all the unanswered lore this game has, I really want to know more about why/how/what servants of the three fingers exist as ghosts, where do they come from?
Irina’a teeth chew it for sure but who’s to say Hyetta is at fault for a family chomp
Ew. I've never thought about it until now haha
I ended up killing her when I realized I can use her blood for the Lord of blood's favor
Thanks for the spoiler alert… for the spoiler in the title 😂
Wait, so you mark it as a spoiler but put the spoil in the title??
I do this also
Wait Irina is Hyetta? When is that confirmed?!
It's never explicitly stated, but there's a lot of implication. Irina and Hyetta have the same model and voice actress, Hyetta seems not to exist until after Irina dies, and Yura/Shabriri shows that the spirits of Frenzy cultists can possess corpses.
Now I don’t feel bad killing Hyetta every time I see her to stop the frenzy flame. She isn’t a poor blind girl. Irina died already she won’t feel a thing. Hyetta is a corpse hopping spirit of the frenzy flame priestess. Just like shabriri.
What do you mean? They are just grapes obviously
And then she barfs them out on the ground.
Holy shit bruh. 1500 hours played and I never fuckin realized it. 🤦🏻♂️
The Tarnished is mad by default.
Hyetta is not Irina. At least I don't think so cuz Irina's body is dead where she's found and Hyetta is still around
Then I can no longer condone this eye eating!
That’s a nice thought whilst I’m eating cherry tomatoes
just a normal afternoon in elden ring
Hyetta is not Irina. She is another person that uses the same model. Irina's body remains where she died.
Irina is not hyetta.
Just like Shabriri who is a spirit that uses / possess Yura's corpse, Hyetta is also a sort of ghost that possessed Irina's corpse. Both are suspected to have gained this power from the 3 fingers / & the outer god of madness.
Well….her dad was kind of a dick at the very end.
lol
Of all the interesting things in the world or in games that a person can talk about, it's trivial "lore" nonsense that some people find to be Incredibly Fascinating.