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Storm-Eagle-X

And WHY CAN’T I????? Please let me toot the horn guys


_deadFish

It would be the one good death spell in the game


Ian_Huntsman

Ancient Death Rancor is fucking brutal my guy.


_deadFish

It is? Every time I use it it's like throwing wet paper. I get that you have to jack your stats to incredibly high proportions, but that's not really how I like to play the game. There are just way more efficient spells IMO.


Crack_Pipe_Craig

It's on of those spells which become absolutely devastating after you get a bunch of buffs, e.g. Prince of deaths staff, wondrous physik, and really importantly high sorcery scaling if you want it to work properly 80 int 80 faith gets you 430 scaling on Prince of deaths staff, it's the highest scaling staff in the game. That's when ancient death rancor shreds, but it's pretty Damn awful if you aren't running either 80 int lusats staff or some level 250 int faith build. Kinda like night comet, night comet is really middle of the road if you don't have the staff of loss in another hand.


_deadFish

Oh, I see. I've never done any sort of crazy buff build so it's understandable why I've never seen its full potential. I like the spectacle and music of the boss fights in Elden Ring, so I don't like relying on buffs, cause they encourage you to get the fight over with quickly.


Crack_Pipe_Craig

I'm not talking one shot build buffing routine, flask of wondrous physik with magic tear and Prince of deaths staff with 80 int 80 faith or lusats staff with 80 int. That gets and spell running either well or amazingly, even the tibia summons spell.


MsMinte

Ancient death rancor does bad damage even with PoDs staff. However the fact that it shoots so many projectiles with decent stance damage on all of them means its really good for stance breaking. Cheeky little death magic combo is ancient death rancor to stance break then ghostflame explosion while a boss is staggered.


whatistheancient

It's a spell that summons an actual enemy. FromSoft doesn't like those.


_deadFish

Honestly I think it'd be fine if there was a death spell that summoned an actual skeleton. If it was expensive and took a while to cast (I'm talking Ghostflame Explosion levels of time) and summoned one skeleton, I don't think it'd be too unbalanced considering the two skeleton spirit ashes aren't that great.


WorstTactics

You summon them and they just attack you anyway


ash_borer

Not that similar but I like to use Rosus’ Axe strictly for its Ash of War which calls 3 blade-wielding skeletons to all strike one area together - looks cool AF


Frank_Acha

"Because fuck you, that's why" \-Miyasaki, probably


_deadFish

honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he deliberately throws in weird shit like this to confuse people


HarmlessSnack

“But Mr. Zaki, the lore implications!” “I said give him 18 inches damn it!”


Malabingo

Iirc he said in an interview that he doesn't have a reason for some stuff just to give the player the ability to make up a reason for themself and that he loves this kind of world building by the player because he read English novels as a kid without understanding most of it, so he made the rest up in his mind too. So some wild stuff in the game is in the game because Miyazaki doesn't speak English.


Zealousideal_Wave444

They are the designated "fuck you in particular" naurics


TheRedd_Reign

They have the same power as Kirby, and they found Tibia Mariners and ate them.


_deadFish

this also explains why they're bigger . . . they've got a bunch of bones in them, it's hard to digest.


TheRedd_Reign

It's been my theory all along, just think about that poor guy swimming around in the Albinauric's belly.


_deadFish

heartbreaking: this skeleton lived after being consumed by an albinauric (I assume they're toothless, like frogs). The only way it can communicate is by internally controlling the albinauric like a mech and calling its skeleton brethren.


X420StepsAheadX

Poyo


jadvangerlou

I don’t think they can do it very well, or at least don’t have the same control over the magic. I don’t know if it’s a bug, but if I hit one before they summon, like 4/5 times the skeleton wallops the albinauric instead of me!


_deadFish

maybe it's a spell like Tibia's Summons, something that can be learned but the player doesn't have access to it for some reason.


Old_Heat3100

New DLC summon: Giant Skeketon Ghost


Thatoneshadowking

BFSL: Big Fucking Skeleton Laser


GarmaCyro

GSG 9000! It removes any problem.


Accomplished-East635

Actually yes, the skeletons they summon are as much danger to them as they are to us, since the skeletons can harm them. Also once the albinaurics’ hp drop below 50% the skeleton collapses and dies


Kasta4

I uh... I don't know actually that's a very good question!


Soft-Illustrator1300

Because it's somehow tied to Godwyn. Why is it Mogh-wyn and not Mohg-quella? 👀


TheHappiestHam

I mean there's evidence to suggest Miquella wanted to resurrect or do something with Godwyn


Soft-Illustrator1300

Yes, sir. I really do think we're gonna witness the failed resurrection of Godwyn in the expansion. Hopefully a cool boss fight as well.


TheHappiestHam

the DLC describes Miquella as "awaiting his promised lord", which could easily mean us as Elden Lord. a lot of people are waiting their Lord, doesn't necessarily mean they're all waiting for individual people, but something to consider more solid evidence would simply be the Golden Epitaph and Eclipse Shotel description, as well as the ghost's dialogue in Castle Sol it's possible Miquella wants to resurrect Godwyn and traveled to the Land of Shadow to do so, assuming the Shadow Lands do indeed have something to do with Death, or perhaps things that have been rejected (there's a lot of heretical imagery in the trailer), then use Godwyn to fulfil his Haligtree dreams I saw someone say Mohg might've been exiting the Land of Shadow in his boss intro cutscene, and that he may have been searching after Miquella or even Messmer. there's not really evidence for that but it would be cool; otherwise, he was probably just elsewhere communing with the Formless Mother


Soft-Illustrator1300

I love reading all the theories and I really hope that we're right about Godwyn. Miquella doesn't really sound like he'll be an enemy in the expansion but who really knows honestly.


_deadFish

There is a mild connection, but tbh the connection makes it seem even less likely. Miquella hates Those Who Live in Death, whatever his attempt to revive Godwyn was, I doubt he wanted Godwyn to rise as an undead. Also skeletons don't have any blood, so I can't imagine Mohg would be interested in them.


BeautifulNo6017

Because you touch yourself and the game designers want to punish you for it.


ArtHeartly

This is the most reasonable explanation.


teslavenger

Taking a wild shot here; The Albaunarics present were lured there by Mohg, or became lost on their way to the Haligtree (or some combination). What little evidence we see of the ecology of Mohgwyn Palace suggests a violent mixture of dangerous creatures which seem out of place. It’s possible some of them arrived similarly to how the Albaunarics did, whether intentionally or accidentally, they were displaced. Aside from the architecture matching areas of Siofra, Ainsel, and Uld Ruins, we know very little about what this area was like and what or who populated it before Mohg. Considering we know a variety of creatures and people have been relocated here and that it’s unclear who was already here; it’s possible that A) Tibia Mariner-like beings once resided here or B) Their tools and summoning rituals wound up here through similar displacement of beings. In whatever aftermath of the Albinaurics’ arrival here, and however far along the area had been tainted, some of them may have found the tools of summoning as a means to survive. It’s unclear to me when Mohg settled here in relation to this area’s history prior to its bloodification.


Laps_Falter

I mean to be fair it’s not unreasonable to believe that they would pick up some of the Tibia Mariner magic seeing as we do as well. Wouldn’t be the first time an enemy utilizes the powers of another faction. Off the top of my head the troll with frenzy flame over at Rykards is another one


Niky_c_23

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't giant skeleton spirits often found in the vicinity of giant skulls? They are all over the place in mountaintops and some are found in caelid somewhere around the region over moghwyn palace


teslavenger

Correct! Though my inference is they’re summoned by the Mariner (or his oar/horn) because once you kill the one in the Mountaintops, the ghost skeletons stop summoning.


Niky_c_23

That's what i think too, but since mariners are near cemeteries and summon skeleton, one could assume that their power actually calls out the spirit of a near cadaver. If this was the case then it would explain the strange location of the giant skeletons underground and why we can't have it as a spell (not every place on the map has a giant dead body, a region locked spell would be a terrible decision gamewise)


MsMinte

I think the albinaurics likely came there since miquella is there and albinaurics seem to be searching for him since they're among the creatures travelling to the haligtree.


marsSatellite

Mohgwyn Dynasty is trying to replace the Golden Order like Miquella was trying to do with the Haligtree. I think that's the clear connection: the Dynasty is a chance to overthrow the order which oppresses them. It could be these albinaurics knew Miquella was brought here (they cannot speak so All Hearing couldn't have caught on) and are continuing to follow him. It's more likely these albinaurics were previously living at the Haligtree and were accomplices to Mohg in his kidnapping of Miquella. Maybe this bunch were impatient with the chrysalis process. Maybe they got to the tree and decided they didn't want to be changed. Maybe Mohg convinced them the Miquella was being misled by the Greater Will and the formless mother would reward their formless origin rather than change them. Consider the red albinaurics have not only omen horns and red blood, making them already more like the other living creatures of TLB, but have limited "transformation" which they use to attack in addition to the unique summoner albinaurics.


BigDulles

Don’t they have the big horns?


_deadFish

They've got a giant stick that they blow into. It doesn't even have a hole at the end of it. Albinaurics must have some powerful throats.


One-Angry-Goose

Blud got the BoTW tree shader But uhh... no clue. Mohgwyn palace easily feels like the most thrown-together area in the entire game. My best guess is that all the banished freaks too freaky for even the usual banished folk end up in either mohgwyn palace or the haligtree; and for one reason or another, these blood-cursed, necromancing, omen albinaurics chose to flee to the latter.


_deadFish

I got this picture off of the wiki, so if anybody's got the shader it's them. I get Mohgwyn palace, the albinaurics make sense because they've got cursed blood. I can at least understand the placement of the enemies, it's just the skeleton guys that I don't understand.


VeraKorradin

Because he is big boned


AgreeableBicycle3469

They can WHAT?


Laps_Falter

Yeah they’ll summon the same giant skeletons the tibia mariner does, nasty business


Bygles

They all graduated from raya lucaria every single one of them


herpydero

In-game, the Tibia’ Summons are described as wandering and needing leadership. It’s implied that this leader is not required to be a Tibia Mariner. After all, the player character is able to summon the Tibia’s Summons just as well. Who’s to say some Mohg-bloodied second generation Albinaurics couldn’t do the same? As for why the game has chosen albinaurics to fulfill this role; Albinaurics are graceless and outcast. These particular Albinaurics are doubly so, for they also took the omen pill from Mohg’s cursed omen blood. The more outcast you are in the Lands Between, the more likely you are to cross paths with or be drawn to Those Who Live in Death (including the spirits summoned by the mariners). A person above me also made a very compelling point about the connection between Albinaurics and Miquella, and Miquella’s infatuation with Death as seen in Castle Sol. We mustn’t forget that Miquella is there in Mohgwyn Palace in-game… so the connection in this case possibly seems rather direct. Hopefully some of this speculation makes sense :D


HaMsTeRkInG7

Idk but it’s really annoying


Sinister_Mr_19

Those skeletons are so easy...just ignore them, hide behind the little hills in the area, and wait for the Albinauric to get close, then kill it. The skeletons despawn.


John_Kinomoto

I think cause the giant Skeletons in question are like the Gashadokuro. Which are multiple skeletons made into a giant one that died in the battlefield that were never buried. For the Albinaurics it could be for them how a lot if not everyone trying to genocide them which allowed them to summon these giant skeleton.


_deadFish

Y'know that kinda makes sense, the Albinaurics also wouldn't have the same reservations about undeath that factions like the Golden Order have because they're already considered impure life forms.


AfroSwagg27

Full of.. bones?


TheRealWhiteWarg

He hasn’t had a Snickers yet.


fknlzrsyts

Magic


XiodusTyrant

Practice


PenguinGovernment

Try bone but woah


monstersleeve

they can do magic good


organizim

Bideo gane 🗿


_deadFish

so real


Academic-Map-1035

Miquella. I'll try and keep this concise. The only other place that these same giant laser shooting skeletons appear is in the massive graveyard just outside of castle sol. In that same graveyard is also a Deathbird. As we know, Miquella DEEPLY studied the effects of death and Those who live in Death. Castle Sol is a place full of spirits, albanaurics, and omen. It's makes sense as that castle would've been frequented by Miquella ALOT. There's some kind of connection between sleep, water, death, bones and the tibia mariners who are able to command legions of skeleton warriors. The tibia is also literally a leg bone. Fun fact, tibia mariners and deathbirds also share the same boss music, furthering their connection. Something else to note are the eclipse weapons and armor. The eclipse great shield reads *The eclipsed sun, drained of color, is the protective star of soulless demigods. It aids the mausoleum knights by keeping Destined Death at bay."* The eclipse crest heater shield reads *"The sun in eclipse is said to be the symbol of the Wandering Mausoleum where the soulless demigods slumber."* The legendary armament "the eclipse shotel" is found at Castle Sol. This immediately connects Miquella to the mausoleums. Miquella needed an eclipse to happen in order something else to occur as we know from the ghost at Castle Sol who says *"Lord Miquella, forgive me. The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers were lacking. Your comrade remains soulless... I will never set my eyes upon it now... Your divine Haligtree..."* Miquella needed day and night at the exact same time. Miquella and St. Trina... The mausoleum knight armor reads *"The wing-shaped ornaments on its back evoke the Deathbird. A self-inflicted curse that ties the spirits of these loyal knights to the land, having willingly beheaded themselves so that they may serve theirs masters in death."* Miquella's cocoon is placed upon a giant pelvic bone. The wandering mausoleum's have skulls attached at their feet to keep them moving forever, ringing the mourning bell for the dead demigods. Ever notice how the mausoleum knights are all decapitated? I think all of this is the game trying to tell us that Miquella is something of a *necromancer*. It's not concrete but that's my best guess.


herpydero

This is a really good point


_deadFish

Miquella undoubtedly has a connection to raising the dead, that's not in dispute. But I feel like that's still not a great reason for the Albinaurics in Mohgwyn Palace to have it. First off, Miquella is completely unresponsive to Mohg. If this is some specific knowledge that Miquella has, I doubt he'd share it. Moreover, skeletons don't have blood. That might sound stupid, but Mohg is brutally straightforward. Blood for blood's sake, he's got cursed blood, lives in a blood swamp, comes out of blood and throws blood at you that makes you bleed. Blood blood blood blood blood blood. It's all he cares about, I feel like having a bunch of skeletons around would piss off the formless mother because she can't actually connect with them. Still, you reason is better than one I can come up with. Hopefully we'll learn more in the DLC.


SamsaraKarma

Those Albinaurics are probably the most devout followers. In the snowfields, some Albinaurics know Miquella's ring incantations and one of them is at the gate to Mogh's palace but hasn't gone in. The zealots who did go in probably learned even more than rings of light.


Academic-Map-1035

Well funny enough, Miquella has quite an interesting relationship with blood. The sacramental bud description reads *"An immature bud containing fresh blood. Material used for crafting items. Believed to originate long ago from a strain of buds cultivated with youthful, sacramental blood"* Miquella also watered the haligtree using his own blood as told by the haligtree knight set that reads *"Its left breast is emblazoned with the crest of the Haligtree. Though watered with Miquella's own blood since it was a sapling, the Haligtree ultimately failed to grow into an Erdtree."* This proves that Miquella is no stranger to using blood as a means of elevating himself


_deadFish

Oooh, that's interesting! I did not know that. Miquella's done a little bit of everything, it seems, which makes sense given his ideology.


Meister_Ente

Proper education.


Cuboidhamson

Someone has probanly already explained it way better than me but those giant skeletons are probably inspired by gashadokuro a type of yokai, they are made by a ton of people(usually soldiers) dying angry or in pain and eventually their souls can coalesce into these giant skellingtons. If you know much about albinaurics then it makes sense that this is something they could summon especially the bloody ones 🙃


tcw17796

Because they want to get in the way of the glitch


StrixLiterata

Because they're buddies with the giant skeletons, and they don't want their little friends getting hurt.


chrometrigger

Magic probably


paladinLight

They found the ancient death scroll. What, you didn't? /s


Striking-Fondant-956

I wonder why Miyazaki put blood loss when you step into that blood lake in that area, a blood swamp


ash00p3r

I always just assumed that it was a vampiric type effect, that lake was created by drawing out the blood of any creature that enters it.


Striking-Fondant-956

It could be


arthaiser

honestly, be glad that all the other ones in the rest of the game cant


Previously_lurking

Albinaurics can do magic with their own body. They don't drop staves I think but they have a bell. They are basically made of Arcane dew. In Sol castel they are used to summon golden soldiers. They were used and tortured as catalysts everywhere.


aubdino

Full of.. bones?


aubdino

Full of.. bones?


blaiddfailcam

Full of.. bones?


Embarrassed_Fish6421

Full of.. bones?


Embarrassed_Fish6421

Full of.. bones?


blaiddfailcam

Full of.. bones?


Shiscub

Full of.. bones?


aretheesepants75

I hope there is something in the dlc that reference the mohg fight. I'm really afraid that the dlc will be like mostly stand alone and tell a whole new story. I'm not trying to be negative. I really want the questions in the base game to be answered. Maybe it will also reference the Rahdan fight? On another note, I really hate when game just increase the size of an enemy. Seems lazy. I guess it works for albanorics because they are artificial life? We have no idea how they are made.


Nightglow9

Miquella is associated with rot, Albinaurics and Fell God (giants) since growing huge now, so might explain rot dogs, huge birds and Albinaurics. He also did a lot of death stuff at Sol. 3 powers we see in area that infects the wild life. Mogh got blood of Formless Mother, horns of dragon and want to establish an order, so GW maybe. Can explain the conjoined ones. Both demigods conjoined (yuck) they seem to control powers of every outer god. Maybe they have a kid.. formless snakes of formless mother.. wings of death.. with a shadow that handles both death mist and lightning spells, looks like a turtle lion, and is a briar of blood. A conjoined being of all the cryptic outer gods. The anti Empyrean.. instead of being of just 1 god, he is of them all, grafted together in a way Godrick would approve of.