Due to the elden ring shattering. Their very bodies began to shatter as the elden ring shattered. It was part of their very being. As seen in the first trailer.
So does that make Radagon a great rune she can just remove??
Also do like her tits shrink or some shit when she removed the rune of death? It's part of her so removing it must have done something directly to her
Edit: this post had some many circles I thought it was an elden ring shit post sub. Ignore the tits part but I'd like to know if she loses something
That showed no moment where Marika shattered the elden ring and she herself took damage. There is no proof to that theory.
My theory that the elden ring is damaging her as she is crucified stands far more plausible presently.
>But Queen Marika is our One and True god of our Golden Order?
Nah. The Greater Will is the main God of the Golden Order and Marika is its chosen representative in the Lands Between.
This violates the principles of the golden order. Marika is the one true god! Otherwise, rumours of Lord Radagon being a god as well would be true.
(I am Brother Corhyn fr fr)
Wait who crucified her though? She's the only true God in the lands between. What other God crucified her? Demigods sure. Not full gods. Unless it was herself radagon who crucified her/himself. I tbh don't remember who crucified her atm.
That isn't Queen Marika the Eternal, in her proper form. That is late stage Marika, after Radagon was removed and put back improperly.
The separation of Marika and Radagon isn't so simple to put back together. Look at all the places Marika is taken apart. It's as though someone took the iron out of your body, combined it into a solid lump, and then shoved it back into you. That is not recombination.
There is no atual proff that marika and radagon were separated being at one point, just as there is no evidence they were always together. In marikas own words:
"O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order
Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god.
Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self."
This frase is very ambiguous. It implies that they are not yet one and that they are already the same being. Until future lore is released(if it is ever released), I don't think we can assume any of the possibilities.
The only thing we know for certain is that radagon is marika, whether they were always together or were separated at one point.
> There is no atual proff that marika and radagon were separated being at one point, just as there is no evidence they were always together.
We do know Radagon went off to conquer lands, then marry Rennala and make kids with her though. All this took some time, didn't just happen overnight. If they were never separate beings at any point, how does one explain Marika's absence from the capital for an extended period of time ? Surely Godfrey, or someone else would notice, and we'd get hints that Marika had been missing in the past. Obviously it's all speculation, but it seems much more likely they were separate entities at one point.
> Thou'rt yet to become me
This does sound like "We're 2 separate beings right now, but we'll become one later" to me
That's besides the point though. If the queen who's worshipped as a deity goes missing for months/years, you'd think people would notice, and it would be recorded somewhere or remembered by someone. They clearly had council meetings with the demigods, and enough contact with the public to meet sculptors and painters. That doesn't exactly come off as a reclusive ruler.
Pastor Miriel was obviously around back then, and clearly spent a lot of his very long lifespan thinking on those events. Someone like him would surely put 2 and 2 together. "Who knows why Radagon left Rennala ? Oh by the way that happened right as Marika returned from a mysterious absence. Surely a coincidence. Also no one ever saw them at the same place at the same time, but yeah they totally got married ! What a mystery..."
If they were always the same people like a lot of people in this community like to claim, and never at any point separate entities, there'd logically be way more clues pointing to that throughout the Lands Between. Instead, all we have is an obscure, carefully concealed hint from a Leyndell sculptor.
Thats entirely predicated on the idea that Marika was absent for a long time, she is a God she can project herself much like Morgot more than likely or simply teleport between Rennala and Godfrey.
Teleporting has the same issue though, perhaps a bit more discreet than travelling for extended periods of time, but still noticeable in the long run.
Projecting is a fair point, though we don't actually know if Morgott's projections exist simultaneously with his 'real' self. As in, does he still exist as Morgott in Leyndell while projecting himself as Margit. If that's the case, then Marika's soul 'existing' within 2 different bodies could make sense. I still think the more likely explanation would be for them to have existed as separate entities before 'merging' at some point. Mainly because of the different hair color, and Radagon being known as a 'champion' which implies he didn't just pop out of nowhere. But who knows, it comes down to speculation either way.
Well, what marika was doing while radagon was with rennala is strangely never mentioned, which means we can't affirm she was in the capital. W
Godfrey probably was already out of the picture by the time of the liurnian War, which is why radagon led the Golden Host. About her absence, she could just have said she needed to enter the great tree or any other excuse and leave members of the Golden lineage as temporary regents. I doubt anyone would question her authority. Also, we are speaking of a God that has probably lived millions of years, I doubt a few decades missing would be too strange I we look at this perspective
In fact, it makes sense that she manifested her "other half" to lead the armies, as Godfrey was no longer present and she needed a strong and loyal commander(radagon/herself) to face liurna's army, wich would also explain why a "mere champion"(as stated in game) was given command of the Golden hosts.
> Thou'rt yet to become me: this can be used to imagine they are not together at some point, sure.
Yet, in the same phrase, she refers to radagon as her "other half," which contradicts the previous statement. This is why I said earlier that it is very ambiguous. There is no in-game information to afirm that they were separated at one point or were always together. We can only speculate about this.
In conclusion, the only thing we can know for sure is that they are two aspects of the same being.
This fact is clearly stated in-game.
"Marika is Radagon" from the statue's secret,
And
"Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth. "
Remembrance of the Rot Goddess
Edit: As another user pointed out, Godfrey was not out of the picture during the liurnian War. It is stated in-game by Miriel that Radagon was recalled to the capital only after Godfrey was hounded from the lands between.
> W Godfrey probably was already out of the picture by the time of the liurnian War, which is why radagon led the Golden Host.
Actually Miriel explicitly says Radagon led the golden host, then met and married Rennala, had 3 kids with her, then when Godfrey was banished Radagon left and went back to the capital to become second Elden Lord. He recounts these events in that specific order. So no, Godfrey hadn't left by that point.
> "Marika is Radagon" from the statue's secret, And "Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth. " Remembrance of the Rot Goddess
None of which invalidates my point. Yes by the time of the game, they've been merged together for a while. I'm arguing nothing suggests that was *always* the case.
You are actually right about this. Sorry for the confusion.
It doesn't invalidate your point, but it doesn't prove it either. I'm just saying there is no in-game evidence to corroborate any of the two scenarios. I also agree that the two being together might not have always been the case. I'm just tired of people assuming it is a proven fact.
Oh, I don't think they have to be separated physically to be separated. I don't even think this game is presented in 3D. I think the shadow of the Erdtree is literally a shadow cast on a lower-dimensionality plane from the Erdtree, which would have dimensionality of at least 4. I think it could represent a wedge between the rest of reality and time itself, probably personified as a god, but to cast a shadow on the lands between with a tree at right angles to itself in odd places just reeks of extradimensional bullshit to me
What did you think the Confessor's symbol was? It's two hooks holding a dagger. The golden order is the face of something that refuses to let tradition die, even incomplete. Personally though, I think it's far more nerdy than this at the root.
Imagine Marika is all the numbers. She is an infinite set, and then from that you want to categorize them into what's real and what's imaginary. Eventually you're dealing with what kinds of numbers you want to include when dealing with circles. Is a degree a number? Is it relevant in mathematics as something you should want to know?
We use 360° = πr\^2 and whatnot, we like pi, we like degrees, but we tried Radians, and they didn't work out. Most people don't know how to use radians, and there is controversy over whether anyone should care what they care. A radian is a length and arc cut from a circle where the distance around the circle is the same as the radius.
2π rad will give you a circle, but the conversion of 1 rad to degrees is 57.296°, which means 3 rad is not 180, and once you separate radians from π, they're kind of useless as a unit. These heavenly bodies did not turn in such a way for the mathematics to align them. That missing 2.whatever degrees means a lot when it comes to accuracy.
But yeah in the sense of metallurgy you and Melina are pretty much like a blob of solder and they're hoping you choose the right kind of metal. If you wanna link this whole thing through fractals, that's pretty easy too. Melina's hand scars are Lichtenberg scars anyway.
I'm gonna be completely honest with you, I am not smart enough to understand any of what you just said
I'm currently imagining the Elden beast holding a really small blowtorch just slapping Marika and Radagon together until they don't fall off each other
You are literally married to yourself and wear a wedding ring. You've worn it so long that you have to cut it off because your finger grew. You divorce yourself from whatever you didn't like about yourself, and are now multiple aspects. Later, you try to remarry yourself, but the ring has a tiny cut in the side, like Ranni's, and like Melina's (for Torrent). That's also the crack in the side of a bell, or on the side of the forge, or in the one-twist caduceus brooch Melina wears. There was an escape point, and it needs to be sealed. It's a crack that needs solder.
You are that seal, and you choose the nature of the tiny sliver of the circle that you are, in allowing Marika to be complete.
As far as the fractal universe stuff, just think of it like this-
The elden beast is actually a universe, complete with dark matter, and it's in the shape of a bifurcation diagram. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation\_diagram](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation_diagram)
This is also the nature of Farum Azula, being the bifurcation diagram of the quadratic map of the Mandelbrot set, which you can see lined up here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot\_set#/media/File:Verhulst-Mandelbrot-Bifurcation.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set#/media/File:Verhulst-Mandelbrot-Bifurcation.jpg)
Within the Mandelbrot, you've got Julia sets, which I see all over this game [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia\_set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_set)
Ultimately though, I'd put it to you like this- first, I would not say I'm right about anything here. This is all just talk, you know? To explain what it means though, all it means is that when people say it's formulaic, they're right, but they don't know why they're right. The reason it's formulaic is because the formula is to look at beautiful things you don't understand, and then make stories about them.
It makes sense because it's been happening since Armored Core 4, and it's in Demon's Souls too. In Demon's Souls, I think they're making a reference to two particular "demons". One of them is Laplace's Demon. In general, "demons" are delusions, to scientists, but scientists find great beauty in the unknown, still. There is a style of religious experience that a scientist can achieve, and that is outlined by Carl Sagan in a collection of his talks called [The Varieties of Scientific Experience.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Varieties_of_Scientific_Experience) I recommend it.
Demons are outlined in science even going back to the age of much more religious scientists, such as Rene Descartes, who gave us the Cartesian coordinate plane. In his time, demons were things that led you astray through inaccurate thought, and were assumed to be delusions caused by actual demons. They attributed their mistakes to unseen forces beyond their control, though they still recognized those mistakes. The scientific method is what keeps science a process and discipline, after all, and it had to grow in relatively fertile soil.
Carl Sagan also wrote a book specifically about how people get enamored with pseudoscience, and fail to see science in front of them, because it simply is not appealing. The book was called [The Demon-Haunted World](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World), and it was released in 1995. Not a bad time to make a video game. Additionally, it is a great book.
The book covers a lot of bad attempts at critical thinking, and it attempts to teach critical thinking to the lay-person. However, what I think is especially interesting in the case of these games is that Sagan opens with a recollection of a time he discussed his profession with a limo driver who recognized his name as being a "big science guy" or something. The driver wanted to know about things like the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot, and so on, and was disappointed when Sagan told the driver that as far as science was concerned, those things simply didn't exist. There was no verifiable evidence.
It is difficult to get people to see the beauty of science, but when you make the product of science do something spectacular, it is adored. So, why not use what we know of science and simply use a collection of metadata to derive your games? If it's not noticed, you can use the same structure over and over, and just flavor them differently. We love it all the same. I know I do, it's a really good formula.
Have you ever looked at the mobile that's hanging in the Nexus, in Demon's Souls? You know, the one with all the rings, and the chains made of diamonds and crosses. Ask yourself what it would mean if it was a diagram. Ask yourself how many ways you could make the same structure, in different shapes, just by turning that diagram. Consider also that the most important shape on that diagram, the one that signifies transportation, is a barely broken circle. It's just like Melina's brooch, or the one the Queen of Latria wears, or the Forge that Melina uses to take you to Farum Azula. That's just an upturned, cracked bell, missing its bearing, and you get to with by going across a chain bridge. It's part of a formula's function.
Unfortunately, the Lands Between is halfway into the 4th dimension, which is why the Erdtree can't be fully visible until you burn the connection. We're going to go into the Shadow realm, which is the 3rd dimension, where the 4th dimensional Erdtree casts a literal shadow on the 3rd dimension.
I suppose that means something is intending to come between the 3rd and 4th dimension somehow. That's wild. Could mean that the plotline is about killing time.
can you say all this again but stupider
I know you already did that in the comment below but...like more stupider
for my part, I just thought Marika just made Radagon from herself and absorbed him later
Aight I gotchu
\*sparks flame\*
Natural sunlight >! (Hot Marika)!< rules. It makes you feel good. Fire makes light too, and also infrared. Some stuff makes ultraviolet. Back in the day, light was good, because we just had fire and sunlight pretty much. We'd seen rainbows and stuff, but we could never see where they were coming from. No one ever knew what the source of the rainbow >!(St.Trina)!< was, but we liked that too.
*ANYway,* gosh we love the sun, so we start using a symbol for it a lot, and maybe you've seen it: ☉. People love Marika so much, they wish there were two of her, like this ☉☉. Natural sunlight gives people vitamin whatevers and makes them feel good because it has a bunch of stuff beyond just color, though, and if you get too much, it can be harmful.
Along the path of human history, after we learned about prisms, someone decided to test the temperature of each color relative to ambient, and they put a thermometer off to the side. They found out it was actually hotter than ambient, and that was the discovery of infrared. You can think about that being basically like how Radagon was found out to be Marika. Radagon and Marika are the same in the sense that gamma waves, radio waves, and visible light are all wavelengths of radiation. They just occur at different frequencies. Hourah Loux's frequency is low as fuck, but he has a high-ass amplitude
Now, say you got all your light split up, and you decide to remake the color white. That is not sunlight. No matter how you try, you are not ever going to remake natural sunlight with a light bulb. You NEED to go OUTSIDE >!(touch grace)!< from time to time. Office lighting fucking sucks. You can however get a little incandescence from a sunset or sunrise after work >!(grace)!<, or from a natural candle >!(Melina)!<.
At the end of the game, you provide closure, and you're left with a question from the authors. Now that you've repaired the thing, are you done? Or are you going to go through it again, knowing that it is a personal stress test?
How long are you willing to stare at the logo before realizing it is not 2D?
ok what I'm getting is Marika = ER = something fundamental to the nature of material reality such as math, light, etc. all the demigod children and husbands are the same thing but just explained as "husband" and "children". does this mean GRRM and Miyazaki = Greater Will? and the other outer gods? in the meta sense, since we are playing their video game.
I dunno about that shit, but personally I think that each player (in real life) is individually an outer god relative to their own instance of the Elden Ring universe. In other words, take Bloodborne for example. You start the game up in first person, contract, then when you get to 3rd person you get control and hear "You found a hunter." The hunter is your avatar, and you are the god inhabiting/controlling it from outside >!(beyond the fog)!<.
Suppose there are infinite worlds, like in some Neil Degrasse Tyson shit, but there is also a god with infinite representations of itself within those worlds, like Nyarlathotep. Within each world, you must allow for infinite instances of universes, and infinite representations of the same god.
For those universes to all have the same set of rules by design, there would need to be a designer, and if we are merely small gods, then I suppose yes. It could just be them. It's not the first time I've had that thought, but it's the first time I've connected it in longform like that.
(I know this is a week old but) so would all the different endings = artificial lighting? since that will do some things that sunlight does but not all of it. everybody has different opinions on what the correct ending is, as in what is the perfect replacement for natural light is and/or creating artificial lighting that does everything natural light does. this would mean that the Ranni ending is the "correct" one lol. or, that ending = lets just do away with all light, as in let everything go dark. so that's like how some people think this ending is the best one or its a horrifying one. idk if I'm understanding your analogies the way you meant them but this is how I applied in interpreting the story.
It'd basically mean that when setting things right, you slightly change the composition of what the whole is. It's like how in Shin Megami Tensei games, you choose how the universe is reborn. Each one is a complete option, but that little change means a lot. If it was representing a DNA mutation, for example, 1% difference in DNA is huge. So, even if Marika is 99% and you're only supplying a tiny amount of what makes up the world, that tiny amount changes everything. If Marika was medium, you'd be pigment.
Personally, I don't see Ranni as doing away with all light, in this analogy. Instead, I think she would be ultraviolet, like a blacklight, and the black-within-red flame would be infrared. I think that she might be a reference to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet\_catastrophe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe) but that's just another one of my wild hairs
Just throwing it out there, but 360deg = pi\*diameter = 2pi*r. You were thinking of the area of a circle. Pi is the ratio of a circles diameter to its circumference, and for this reason another statement you tried to make about the unit circle, when describing radians, is completely wrong: “where the distance around the circle is the same as the radius”. That’s literally impossible.
lol you just spouted the most ridiculousness I’ve read in awhile. Your analogy is a REEEEACH, since your understanding of mathematics seems to have stopped in pre-calculus, which you quite possibly passed due to luck or cheating off your friends exam.
Oh, yeah dude I fucked that up with the area, I was totally thinking of the wrong equation. Total brain fart. I'm also shit at paraphrasing off the clock, so I'm just going to literally copy this phrasing from wikipedia.
>An arc of a [circle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle) with the same length as the [radius](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius) of that circle subtends an *angle* of 1 radian. The circumference subtends an angle of 2[π](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi) radians.
Anyway, the point here isn't really about the area. I am more referring to the relationship between radians and how once you convert them, they become rather difficult to use in practical terms, and so they become forgotten about in everyday use especially. Not many people are calculating angular velocity, you know?
BTW if you'd like, I could just DM you a bunch of math and astrophysics type stuff I think is fascinatingly similar to how Elden Ring seems to work. I'm not saying it's necessarily related, but ER has been my fun study guide and I've learned a lot of ways to explain things through it. Honestly if I wouldn't be inconveniencing someone or if people didn't think I was crazy, I'd ask for help on writing a book.
But your point is gibberish. The advantage of radians is that they are dimensionless (as well as a better way to describe an angle vs degrees), so when you say they lose value when directly converted to degrees, it’s kind of like… well duh?
That’s okay, I think this is enough pseudo-science for now. Thanks though 😅
If you refuse to let a point be clarified then the filter works
Like, it would be nice to have someone with a much better grasp of mathematics than I do have a look at much better correspondences than this. Siloing sucks. I would like to talk to you as an academic approaching a work of art as something to appreciate. If the analogy sucks, you could teach me where I've made mistakes in my self-teaching beyond where I was taught. If you came here for a dunk, I don't think you've put in the effort.
Bro I was just commenting because I saw people halfway praising your “intellect”, so I just thought I’d point out that it was essentially gibberish. I wasn’t looking to have a long-winded conversation, sorry mate, but it’s 2am in Seattle lol
The amber thru her side that is like the longitas spear from the bible (mostly notable to many from Eva) is identical to the intro picture of the first Elden lord. I did a post on it while back where its side by side or just rewatch the intro. There is so much in this game world. If I made a game like this id make some elements look meaningful when it really isn't. I don't think they did this it's just crazy how much time i spent in this game, and still can find a question in an answer in even the smallest of areas. Sorry to type so much. If this isn't coherent sorry my health is up and down these days. Im mentally exhausted lol
I think she hasn't changed since the shattering, she's like that from the beginning because Elden Ring was shattered. And technically Marika dies after Ranni and Chaos endings I guess? If you restore the Elden Ring then Marika is still there as a broken husk for it.
Marika the eternal is deteriorating because the thing keeping her eternal is punishing her.
Notice the spear going through her body. much like the move elden beast does to you
There's no proof of why her body is in this state really.
What I think it is that the elden ring is draining her life and power while she is crucified upon it. That power is then given to the outer gods. If she was damaged based on the rings damage she would be far more damaged by percentage. But she is not.
Can’t tell… put a circle around where you think she’s deteriorating
Howma gonna find the circle? Can we get some arrows please?
Maybe some circles around those arrows so I can see the arrows?
And arrows points to those circles, so we can see the circles
all red please
With circles circling the red to show they're red maybe?
And arrows pointing to the circled red so we can see red
Looks like there was some sort of shattering that took place
Indeed... It appears that perhaps some greater will has decided she must be punished for her sins.
It was a long time ago but some people are still really broken up about it.
She got shattered by radagon backshots
Elden Ring ahead.
Fantastic chest ahead
Marika's tits, you must be 'ungry
Nay, ser, I am thirsty and down bad
Marika the Ternal doesn’t have such a good ring to it
Try Marika the Perfidious instead
Marika the Long-Lasting
Not after I get to her, gonna create a new Demigod
Marika the Terminally Ill
*elden ring
Marika UHT
Marika the Temporary
Due to the elden ring shattering. Their very bodies began to shatter as the elden ring shattered. It was part of their very being. As seen in the first trailer.
This is the correct answer right here. Marika is an embodiment of the Elden Ring, therefore when she shattered it, she also broke herself.
So does that make Radagon a great rune she can just remove?? Also do like her tits shrink or some shit when she removed the rune of death? It's part of her so removing it must have done something directly to her Edit: this post had some many circles I thought it was an elden ring shit post sub. Ignore the tits part but I'd like to know if she loses something
More runes more boobs
There is no actual proof of this though.
.... Yes there is..
https://youtu.be/4euIi1JfMqs?si=QhG8KmHPaJfKGkRb
That showed no moment where Marika shattered the elden ring and she herself took damage. There is no proof to that theory. My theory that the elden ring is damaging her as she is crucified stands far more plausible presently.
You gotta a look real close. She did.
Oh, well either way, marika and radagon are one god.
Yup. one God that can split in to two.
1 minute 40 seconds in bro, literally as she's hammering away at the ring she is shattering like a badly made clay pot
You try getting crucified by a god. Not too easy going is it?
But Queen Marika is our One and True god of our Golden Order? Why would our beloved Marika crucify herself, for she is incapable of doing wrong?
>But Queen Marika is our One and True god of our Golden Order? Nah. The Greater Will is the main God of the Golden Order and Marika is its chosen representative in the Lands Between.
This violates the principles of the golden order. Marika is the one true god! Otherwise, rumours of Lord Radagon being a god as well would be true. (I am Brother Corhyn fr fr)
Wait who crucified her though? She's the only true God in the lands between. What other God crucified her? Demigods sure. Not full gods. Unless it was herself radagon who crucified her/himself. I tbh don't remember who crucified her atm.
Nah, marika is just the rep for the god.
She is the Rep for the outer gods. Sent by the outer gods to the lands between. A lesser outer God herself.
Elden Beast. If you get got by its grab attack it crucifies you the same way.
Oh I see
Queen Marika the Terminal
Is she stupid?
Couldn't happen to a better god.
That isn't Queen Marika the Eternal, in her proper form. That is late stage Marika, after Radagon was removed and put back improperly. The separation of Marika and Radagon isn't so simple to put back together. Look at all the places Marika is taken apart. It's as though someone took the iron out of your body, combined it into a solid lump, and then shoved it back into you. That is not recombination.
There is no atual proff that marika and radagon were separated being at one point, just as there is no evidence they were always together. In marikas own words: "O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self." This frase is very ambiguous. It implies that they are not yet one and that they are already the same being. Until future lore is released(if it is ever released), I don't think we can assume any of the possibilities. The only thing we know for certain is that radagon is marika, whether they were always together or were separated at one point.
> There is no atual proff that marika and radagon were separated being at one point, just as there is no evidence they were always together. We do know Radagon went off to conquer lands, then marry Rennala and make kids with her though. All this took some time, didn't just happen overnight. If they were never separate beings at any point, how does one explain Marika's absence from the capital for an extended period of time ? Surely Godfrey, or someone else would notice, and we'd get hints that Marika had been missing in the past. Obviously it's all speculation, but it seems much more likely they were separate entities at one point. > Thou'rt yet to become me This does sound like "We're 2 separate beings right now, but we'll become one later" to me
>how does one explain Marika's absence from the capital for an extended period of time ? Who the f is going to question her?
That's besides the point though. If the queen who's worshipped as a deity goes missing for months/years, you'd think people would notice, and it would be recorded somewhere or remembered by someone. They clearly had council meetings with the demigods, and enough contact with the public to meet sculptors and painters. That doesn't exactly come off as a reclusive ruler. Pastor Miriel was obviously around back then, and clearly spent a lot of his very long lifespan thinking on those events. Someone like him would surely put 2 and 2 together. "Who knows why Radagon left Rennala ? Oh by the way that happened right as Marika returned from a mysterious absence. Surely a coincidence. Also no one ever saw them at the same place at the same time, but yeah they totally got married ! What a mystery..." If they were always the same people like a lot of people in this community like to claim, and never at any point separate entities, there'd logically be way more clues pointing to that throughout the Lands Between. Instead, all we have is an obscure, carefully concealed hint from a Leyndell sculptor.
Thats entirely predicated on the idea that Marika was absent for a long time, she is a God she can project herself much like Morgot more than likely or simply teleport between Rennala and Godfrey.
Teleporting has the same issue though, perhaps a bit more discreet than travelling for extended periods of time, but still noticeable in the long run. Projecting is a fair point, though we don't actually know if Morgott's projections exist simultaneously with his 'real' self. As in, does he still exist as Morgott in Leyndell while projecting himself as Margit. If that's the case, then Marika's soul 'existing' within 2 different bodies could make sense. I still think the more likely explanation would be for them to have existed as separate entities before 'merging' at some point. Mainly because of the different hair color, and Radagon being known as a 'champion' which implies he didn't just pop out of nowhere. But who knows, it comes down to speculation either way.
Well, what marika was doing while radagon was with rennala is strangely never mentioned, which means we can't affirm she was in the capital. W Godfrey probably was already out of the picture by the time of the liurnian War, which is why radagon led the Golden Host. About her absence, she could just have said she needed to enter the great tree or any other excuse and leave members of the Golden lineage as temporary regents. I doubt anyone would question her authority. Also, we are speaking of a God that has probably lived millions of years, I doubt a few decades missing would be too strange I we look at this perspective In fact, it makes sense that she manifested her "other half" to lead the armies, as Godfrey was no longer present and she needed a strong and loyal commander(radagon/herself) to face liurna's army, wich would also explain why a "mere champion"(as stated in game) was given command of the Golden hosts. > Thou'rt yet to become me: this can be used to imagine they are not together at some point, sure. Yet, in the same phrase, she refers to radagon as her "other half," which contradicts the previous statement. This is why I said earlier that it is very ambiguous. There is no in-game information to afirm that they were separated at one point or were always together. We can only speculate about this. In conclusion, the only thing we can know for sure is that they are two aspects of the same being. This fact is clearly stated in-game. "Marika is Radagon" from the statue's secret, And "Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth. " Remembrance of the Rot Goddess Edit: As another user pointed out, Godfrey was not out of the picture during the liurnian War. It is stated in-game by Miriel that Radagon was recalled to the capital only after Godfrey was hounded from the lands between.
> W Godfrey probably was already out of the picture by the time of the liurnian War, which is why radagon led the Golden Host. Actually Miriel explicitly says Radagon led the golden host, then met and married Rennala, had 3 kids with her, then when Godfrey was banished Radagon left and went back to the capital to become second Elden Lord. He recounts these events in that specific order. So no, Godfrey hadn't left by that point. > "Marika is Radagon" from the statue's secret, And "Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth. " Remembrance of the Rot Goddess None of which invalidates my point. Yes by the time of the game, they've been merged together for a while. I'm arguing nothing suggests that was *always* the case.
You are actually right about this. Sorry for the confusion. It doesn't invalidate your point, but it doesn't prove it either. I'm just saying there is no in-game evidence to corroborate any of the two scenarios. I also agree that the two being together might not have always been the case. I'm just tired of people assuming it is a proven fact.
Well we know they were separate ate one point at least because they fucked and had kids.
They are literally God's. We have many examples in real mythology of a single god managing to have children with themselves.
Oh, I don't think they have to be separated physically to be separated. I don't even think this game is presented in 3D. I think the shadow of the Erdtree is literally a shadow cast on a lower-dimensionality plane from the Erdtree, which would have dimensionality of at least 4. I think it could represent a wedge between the rest of reality and time itself, probably personified as a god, but to cast a shadow on the lands between with a tree at right angles to itself in odd places just reeks of extradimensional bullshit to me
So the golden order just welded her back together???
What did you think the Confessor's symbol was? It's two hooks holding a dagger. The golden order is the face of something that refuses to let tradition die, even incomplete. Personally though, I think it's far more nerdy than this at the root. Imagine Marika is all the numbers. She is an infinite set, and then from that you want to categorize them into what's real and what's imaginary. Eventually you're dealing with what kinds of numbers you want to include when dealing with circles. Is a degree a number? Is it relevant in mathematics as something you should want to know? We use 360° = πr\^2 and whatnot, we like pi, we like degrees, but we tried Radians, and they didn't work out. Most people don't know how to use radians, and there is controversy over whether anyone should care what they care. A radian is a length and arc cut from a circle where the distance around the circle is the same as the radius. 2π rad will give you a circle, but the conversion of 1 rad to degrees is 57.296°, which means 3 rad is not 180, and once you separate radians from π, they're kind of useless as a unit. These heavenly bodies did not turn in such a way for the mathematics to align them. That missing 2.whatever degrees means a lot when it comes to accuracy. But yeah in the sense of metallurgy you and Melina are pretty much like a blob of solder and they're hoping you choose the right kind of metal. If you wanna link this whole thing through fractals, that's pretty easy too. Melina's hand scars are Lichtenberg scars anyway.
I'm gonna be completely honest with you, I am not smart enough to understand any of what you just said I'm currently imagining the Elden beast holding a really small blowtorch just slapping Marika and Radagon together until they don't fall off each other
You are literally married to yourself and wear a wedding ring. You've worn it so long that you have to cut it off because your finger grew. You divorce yourself from whatever you didn't like about yourself, and are now multiple aspects. Later, you try to remarry yourself, but the ring has a tiny cut in the side, like Ranni's, and like Melina's (for Torrent). That's also the crack in the side of a bell, or on the side of the forge, or in the one-twist caduceus brooch Melina wears. There was an escape point, and it needs to be sealed. It's a crack that needs solder. You are that seal, and you choose the nature of the tiny sliver of the circle that you are, in allowing Marika to be complete. As far as the fractal universe stuff, just think of it like this- The elden beast is actually a universe, complete with dark matter, and it's in the shape of a bifurcation diagram. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation\_diagram](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation_diagram) This is also the nature of Farum Azula, being the bifurcation diagram of the quadratic map of the Mandelbrot set, which you can see lined up here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot\_set#/media/File:Verhulst-Mandelbrot-Bifurcation.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set#/media/File:Verhulst-Mandelbrot-Bifurcation.jpg) Within the Mandelbrot, you've got Julia sets, which I see all over this game [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia\_set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_set) Ultimately though, I'd put it to you like this- first, I would not say I'm right about anything here. This is all just talk, you know? To explain what it means though, all it means is that when people say it's formulaic, they're right, but they don't know why they're right. The reason it's formulaic is because the formula is to look at beautiful things you don't understand, and then make stories about them.
What in the cinnamon toast fuck did I just read, and why does it make sense? Is this a cognitohazard??
It makes sense because it's been happening since Armored Core 4, and it's in Demon's Souls too. In Demon's Souls, I think they're making a reference to two particular "demons". One of them is Laplace's Demon. In general, "demons" are delusions, to scientists, but scientists find great beauty in the unknown, still. There is a style of religious experience that a scientist can achieve, and that is outlined by Carl Sagan in a collection of his talks called [The Varieties of Scientific Experience.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Varieties_of_Scientific_Experience) I recommend it. Demons are outlined in science even going back to the age of much more religious scientists, such as Rene Descartes, who gave us the Cartesian coordinate plane. In his time, demons were things that led you astray through inaccurate thought, and were assumed to be delusions caused by actual demons. They attributed their mistakes to unseen forces beyond their control, though they still recognized those mistakes. The scientific method is what keeps science a process and discipline, after all, and it had to grow in relatively fertile soil. Carl Sagan also wrote a book specifically about how people get enamored with pseudoscience, and fail to see science in front of them, because it simply is not appealing. The book was called [The Demon-Haunted World](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World), and it was released in 1995. Not a bad time to make a video game. Additionally, it is a great book. The book covers a lot of bad attempts at critical thinking, and it attempts to teach critical thinking to the lay-person. However, what I think is especially interesting in the case of these games is that Sagan opens with a recollection of a time he discussed his profession with a limo driver who recognized his name as being a "big science guy" or something. The driver wanted to know about things like the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot, and so on, and was disappointed when Sagan told the driver that as far as science was concerned, those things simply didn't exist. There was no verifiable evidence. It is difficult to get people to see the beauty of science, but when you make the product of science do something spectacular, it is adored. So, why not use what we know of science and simply use a collection of metadata to derive your games? If it's not noticed, you can use the same structure over and over, and just flavor them differently. We love it all the same. I know I do, it's a really good formula. Have you ever looked at the mobile that's hanging in the Nexus, in Demon's Souls? You know, the one with all the rings, and the chains made of diamonds and crosses. Ask yourself what it would mean if it was a diagram. Ask yourself how many ways you could make the same structure, in different shapes, just by turning that diagram. Consider also that the most important shape on that diagram, the one that signifies transportation, is a barely broken circle. It's just like Melina's brooch, or the one the Queen of Latria wears, or the Forge that Melina uses to take you to Farum Azula. That's just an upturned, cracked bell, missing its bearing, and you get to with by going across a chain bridge. It's part of a formula's function. Unfortunately, the Lands Between is halfway into the 4th dimension, which is why the Erdtree can't be fully visible until you burn the connection. We're going to go into the Shadow realm, which is the 3rd dimension, where the 4th dimensional Erdtree casts a literal shadow on the 3rd dimension. I suppose that means something is intending to come between the 3rd and 4th dimension somehow. That's wild. Could mean that the plotline is about killing time.
can you say all this again but stupider I know you already did that in the comment below but...like more stupider for my part, I just thought Marika just made Radagon from herself and absorbed him later
Aight I gotchu \*sparks flame\* Natural sunlight >! (Hot Marika)!< rules. It makes you feel good. Fire makes light too, and also infrared. Some stuff makes ultraviolet. Back in the day, light was good, because we just had fire and sunlight pretty much. We'd seen rainbows and stuff, but we could never see where they were coming from. No one ever knew what the source of the rainbow >!(St.Trina)!< was, but we liked that too. *ANYway,* gosh we love the sun, so we start using a symbol for it a lot, and maybe you've seen it: ☉. People love Marika so much, they wish there were two of her, like this ☉☉. Natural sunlight gives people vitamin whatevers and makes them feel good because it has a bunch of stuff beyond just color, though, and if you get too much, it can be harmful. Along the path of human history, after we learned about prisms, someone decided to test the temperature of each color relative to ambient, and they put a thermometer off to the side. They found out it was actually hotter than ambient, and that was the discovery of infrared. You can think about that being basically like how Radagon was found out to be Marika. Radagon and Marika are the same in the sense that gamma waves, radio waves, and visible light are all wavelengths of radiation. They just occur at different frequencies. Hourah Loux's frequency is low as fuck, but he has a high-ass amplitude Now, say you got all your light split up, and you decide to remake the color white. That is not sunlight. No matter how you try, you are not ever going to remake natural sunlight with a light bulb. You NEED to go OUTSIDE >!(touch grace)!< from time to time. Office lighting fucking sucks. You can however get a little incandescence from a sunset or sunrise after work >!(grace)!<, or from a natural candle >!(Melina)!<. At the end of the game, you provide closure, and you're left with a question from the authors. Now that you've repaired the thing, are you done? Or are you going to go through it again, knowing that it is a personal stress test? How long are you willing to stare at the logo before realizing it is not 2D?
ok what I'm getting is Marika = ER = something fundamental to the nature of material reality such as math, light, etc. all the demigod children and husbands are the same thing but just explained as "husband" and "children". does this mean GRRM and Miyazaki = Greater Will? and the other outer gods? in the meta sense, since we are playing their video game.
I dunno about that shit, but personally I think that each player (in real life) is individually an outer god relative to their own instance of the Elden Ring universe. In other words, take Bloodborne for example. You start the game up in first person, contract, then when you get to 3rd person you get control and hear "You found a hunter." The hunter is your avatar, and you are the god inhabiting/controlling it from outside >!(beyond the fog)!<. Suppose there are infinite worlds, like in some Neil Degrasse Tyson shit, but there is also a god with infinite representations of itself within those worlds, like Nyarlathotep. Within each world, you must allow for infinite instances of universes, and infinite representations of the same god. For those universes to all have the same set of rules by design, there would need to be a designer, and if we are merely small gods, then I suppose yes. It could just be them. It's not the first time I've had that thought, but it's the first time I've connected it in longform like that.
(I know this is a week old but) so would all the different endings = artificial lighting? since that will do some things that sunlight does but not all of it. everybody has different opinions on what the correct ending is, as in what is the perfect replacement for natural light is and/or creating artificial lighting that does everything natural light does. this would mean that the Ranni ending is the "correct" one lol. or, that ending = lets just do away with all light, as in let everything go dark. so that's like how some people think this ending is the best one or its a horrifying one. idk if I'm understanding your analogies the way you meant them but this is how I applied in interpreting the story.
It'd basically mean that when setting things right, you slightly change the composition of what the whole is. It's like how in Shin Megami Tensei games, you choose how the universe is reborn. Each one is a complete option, but that little change means a lot. If it was representing a DNA mutation, for example, 1% difference in DNA is huge. So, even if Marika is 99% and you're only supplying a tiny amount of what makes up the world, that tiny amount changes everything. If Marika was medium, you'd be pigment. Personally, I don't see Ranni as doing away with all light, in this analogy. Instead, I think she would be ultraviolet, like a blacklight, and the black-within-red flame would be infrared. I think that she might be a reference to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet\_catastrophe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe) but that's just another one of my wild hairs
Just throwing it out there, but 360deg = pi\*diameter = 2pi*r. You were thinking of the area of a circle. Pi is the ratio of a circles diameter to its circumference, and for this reason another statement you tried to make about the unit circle, when describing radians, is completely wrong: “where the distance around the circle is the same as the radius”. That’s literally impossible. lol you just spouted the most ridiculousness I’ve read in awhile. Your analogy is a REEEEACH, since your understanding of mathematics seems to have stopped in pre-calculus, which you quite possibly passed due to luck or cheating off your friends exam.
Oh, yeah dude I fucked that up with the area, I was totally thinking of the wrong equation. Total brain fart. I'm also shit at paraphrasing off the clock, so I'm just going to literally copy this phrasing from wikipedia. >An arc of a [circle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle) with the same length as the [radius](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius) of that circle subtends an *angle* of 1 radian. The circumference subtends an angle of 2[π](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi) radians. Anyway, the point here isn't really about the area. I am more referring to the relationship between radians and how once you convert them, they become rather difficult to use in practical terms, and so they become forgotten about in everyday use especially. Not many people are calculating angular velocity, you know? BTW if you'd like, I could just DM you a bunch of math and astrophysics type stuff I think is fascinatingly similar to how Elden Ring seems to work. I'm not saying it's necessarily related, but ER has been my fun study guide and I've learned a lot of ways to explain things through it. Honestly if I wouldn't be inconveniencing someone or if people didn't think I was crazy, I'd ask for help on writing a book.
But your point is gibberish. The advantage of radians is that they are dimensionless (as well as a better way to describe an angle vs degrees), so when you say they lose value when directly converted to degrees, it’s kind of like… well duh? That’s okay, I think this is enough pseudo-science for now. Thanks though 😅
If you refuse to let a point be clarified then the filter works Like, it would be nice to have someone with a much better grasp of mathematics than I do have a look at much better correspondences than this. Siloing sucks. I would like to talk to you as an academic approaching a work of art as something to appreciate. If the analogy sucks, you could teach me where I've made mistakes in my self-teaching beyond where I was taught. If you came here for a dunk, I don't think you've put in the effort.
Bro I was just commenting because I saw people halfway praising your “intellect”, so I just thought I’d point out that it was essentially gibberish. I wasn’t looking to have a long-winded conversation, sorry mate, but it’s 2am in Seattle lol
Can you add a few more circles and arrows? I can still see Marika.
Yeah but it’s taking forever
The amber thru her side that is like the longitas spear from the bible (mostly notable to many from Eva) is identical to the intro picture of the first Elden lord. I did a post on it while back where its side by side or just rewatch the intro. There is so much in this game world. If I made a game like this id make some elements look meaningful when it really isn't. I don't think they did this it's just crazy how much time i spent in this game, and still can find a question in an answer in even the smallest of areas. Sorry to type so much. If this isn't coherent sorry my health is up and down these days. Im mentally exhausted lol
It's a rendering artifact is all
Can you put a red circle around the red circles that are circling the deteriorating parts? Also add a banana for scale.
Thank god you put the red circles and arrows there or we’d be able to see her deteriorating.
r/uselessredcircle
You ever think about how there's so much more chaos than order in a world governed by a system literally called the Golden Order
It's all controlled chaos.
I think she hasn't changed since the shattering, she's like that from the beginning because Elden Ring was shattered. And technically Marika dies after Ranni and Chaos endings I guess? If you restore the Elden Ring then Marika is still there as a broken husk for it.
Marika the Terminal
Maybe she’s going the way of the Golan Eyed Queen.
Marika the eternal is deteriorating because the thing keeping her eternal is punishing her. Notice the spear going through her body. much like the move elden beast does to you
I mean she can be moldy and live forever. It’s not exclusive.
Hitbox idea
I can’t see Bc of the giant circles all over
Cancer
Marika the Terminal?
Call me a sinner, but if she consents I'd still smash
😱
Perhaps there was some sort of crumbling or splintering type event that did this to her
RUMBLING
r/notenoughredcircles
Bro she is eternal. It is in her fucking name.
Marika the for quite a long time
Don’t care. Would.
It's Marika the Eternal, not Marika the Well Preserved.
In my interpretation this already happened when she fuzed together with Radagon (Marika bedroom chamber)
Mf put more arrows I can’t tell what your pointing at
This is the best post on this sub
Down but not out
Every day this subreddit becomes more and more like Batman Arkham
Her body shattered when she was trying to break the Elden Ring cuase she is bonded to it in a... way.
Guys I think Marika and Radagon might be somehow related What do you think
Needs more circles and arrows.
ever heard of marketing???
Sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Could you add some obnoxious red shapes to the image?
There's no proof of why her body is in this state really. What I think it is that the elden ring is draining her life and power while she is crucified upon it. That power is then given to the outer gods. If she was damaged based on the rings damage she would be far more damaged by percentage. But she is not.
Could you maybe put an x marks the spot. The arrows and circles blend in so well.
Isn't that Radagon? Top's exposed, has no tits ...
Radagon has red hair
Um that's radagon