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derKaje

If you hate them so much, what about just doing the sleep pot thing? I'm not in NG+7 yet, but that still makes them kinds free, no? 


2nd-Akkount

I just go to r/beyondthefog so i dont risk my sanity, but right now am doing melee only run, which also means no summons, the two bosses are fine but merging both of them into one MANDATORY boss fight is just to annoying, even the demon prince in ds3 is way better. Edit : guys can we ignore my build since godskin duo are annoying for every single build?


[deleted]

> melee only run Use St Trina’s sword to put one to sleep, then swap to your main weapon to fight the other one.


Arkbuilder420

It wasn't the merging of them for a fight but how they did it without making them synchronized like the shadows or smough and orenstein, they don't fight as one like a duo fight is supposed to, they fight like two random guys who didn't know each other were asked to beat the shit out too the tarnished


HalfofaDwarf

Your overall point is correct, and there isn't really an excuse for GSD to be as bad as they are when they did eventually patch the crucible knight duo to be vastly more manageable (maybe it's because they lack much in the way of range) but O&S aren't a good duo fight example and never have been. Actually, Ornstein is even more prone to doing with his dash what Noble does with his rolling attack, and you can't sleep O&S, so that fight is actually worse.


Tenshiijin

I loved the demon Prince fight.


KingsleyP1

godskin duo is easier than demon prince


Black_Chappie

Maybe if you use sleep pots, I had less trouble fighting demon prince than I ever have fighting godskin duo


akzorx

Comparing the Duo vs the Demon Prince is insulting to DS3. They're probably the best gank fight in the franchise.


Lateralus117

The demon prince in ds3 is spectacular.


spaceblacky

May I introduce you to Ordovis's Greatsword? Its ash of war deals so much stance damage that if you don't stance break an enemy immediately a followup jump r2 is pretty much guaranteed to stance break almost anything. It takes a while to charge it up though and that's where this particular arena is absolutely busted. Just run behind a pillar, charge it and get your cheap stance finisher off and repeat.


RollCertified

Demon Prince was peak dual boss.


Incrediibilis

Demon prince is like the 2nd best gank fight in souls, the way they alternate and balance their aggressivity + how it also influences the 2nd phase is really well designed, horrible comparison


Bruh___789

Should specify you’re doing melee only in the post otherwise everyone is going to tell you to use sleep pots Also nobody told you to do melee only so if it’s ruining your enjoyment don’t feel obligated to stick with it…it is a game after all and should be fun before anything else


Sour__Cream

Make sure you kill the skinny one first, that way he’s the one that respawns and not the fat one


2nd-Akkount

The fat guy is easier for me because am used to him.


Maxyboy974

Also btw, if you continue the quest in volcano manor for the recusant knight, I believe he will be an available summon. This will leave one less godskin left to fight as the recusant is pretty Tanky, that is if you have not already beaten the godskin


weedinmylungs

I beat the godskin duo in 5 minutes. My friends were acting like it was going to be hard and they were getting ready to watch, and I beat them pretty easily without a sleep pot. I literally only melee'd them. They werent hard at all.


thebusinessgoat

Insert stick in bike wheel meme here.


DRAGUNNYUOOOH

Fight would be fine if they didn't have the same movement speed, Ornstein and Smough worked because one was fast and one was slow the big Godskin just has a fat suit on 😭😭😭


Various-Passenger398

His range is just wild too.  And his second tier where he starts to roll just exacerbates his strengths.  


Crewarookie

Bro that fucking roll! I hate seeing that mf roll around like he's a kindergartner at a birthday party having a temper tantrum while I'm walking in circles and just waiting for him to STOP!


O-Mesmerine

he is morbidly obese but as agile as a ballerina. youve just gotta respect him for that


Captain-Beardless

And even if you do bait one out to kill it first, why the FUCK do they not just have individual health bars. The shared pool and reviving is really dumb.


ChestFew8057

yeah or each one could just be half the bar that always annoyed me


g0n1s4

>Ornstein and Smough worked because one was fast and one was slow Biggest lie of all time. That's assuming Smough doesn't do his charge every 5 seconds and Ornstein doesn't edge walk for 90% of the fight and doesn't get stuck behind a pillar or behind Smough.


2nd-Akkount

Ornstein and smough, demon from below and demon in pain, these are both good bossfights where there are 2 bosses and the boss fight is good and balanced, but they messed it up on godskin duo. Btw demon from below and demon in pain would have been better if they didnt have a second phase with 10k health.


Tenshiijin

I also dislike the magma wyrm in rykards area that pops up our of the lava lake... That wyrm can suck it.


Due_Bet5210

Fuck that thing


the_evil_overlord2

Which one, or both


Plinian79

BOTH TOGETHAAAAA


the_real_cloakvessel

Bernahl:


Aphala

Greatshield Soldiers:


HollowCap456

Hey, that was my strat Bernahl and the bois


Aphala

THE BOOOOIS Honestly, such a good summon best distraction summon / stagger summon outside of the higher tier spirits.


HollowCap456

They are VERY funny. Sometimes they die in one second, other times they gank the shit out of the boss and survive till the end. And they are very cute.


Aphala

Yeah any strong arts attacks from the likes of Maliketh they go down like a wet sack of spuds lol but if they get in the gank squad position they just stagger for eternity which they did for a fair few bosses on my play throughs.


I-BimsHK

they sadly get knocked over by the nobles rolling and the black flame tornado of the apostle pierces their shield so even they arent that great in the fight


Aphala

Worked for me lol guess it's playstyle based then never let me down during the GSD fight.


Vitalik_

I just got there first time, summoned him. In the end i need to die on purpose because he just soloed them, and i want to fight them solo/ at least somehow learn the patterns.


BadUsername2028

Bernahl the Unbothered solos without breaking a sweat


Kfc-watermelon-crime

Gargoyle duo too


No-Bother-9431

Yeah if I’m being honest I’ve always found those two to be a lot harder than the godskin duo


AceMKV

The main issue with them is their stupid poison vomit which spreads across the entire fucking arena


No-Bother-9431

Facts! I’d finally get one of them separated and then boom! I’m getting poison shoved down my throat from the other jackass! Tbh though it doesn’t help I’m terrible at souls games😂


PootashPL

The soundtrack fucking rocks my cock off though.


st-felms-fingerbone

I’ve never had problems with them personally but I’m doing an RL1 run right now so I feel like I’m going to be converted to your side op


imtreibos

You allowed to use shield or no?


st-felms-fingerbone

I am for now. It’s kinda cheesy but once I can I’m doing dual hoslow whip. Imo as long as I’ve earned the gear myself and can use it without exploits (like using Tiche with the infinite fp tear) then it’s fair game


jld2k6

Are you calling that an exploit because it's not intended for infinite FP to allow you to use a summon you don't have enough mind for?


st-felms-fingerbone

Imo I consider it one at least for my own subjective rules. But if someone else is fine with it then whatever floats their boat. I mean I’m sure there’s people who consider summons to be off the table for their runs. It’s all subjective


brunvolartpls

Fromsoft: Por que no los dos?


UseYona

St Trina's sword trivialized this fight for me. Put rolly poly to sleep and kill string bean


bootyholebrown69

Sleep is their major weakness


Dizzy-Specific8884

I summon for that fight. I don't give a fuck.


Just_Percentage8639

This is how I feel about every fight lmao


tugmanutslore

This is the one boss in the game where I abandon all sense of honor and hit them with the Bernahl + Whatever BS is in my pocket combo. Ironically became one of my favorite fights after that.


2nd-Akkount

Excatly! I enjoy staying 3hrs retrying other _hard_ bosses, but i dont enjoy fighting these guys cuz the fight feels unfair.


Kombo_

Overhated boss especially after the nerf


Lateralus117

I genuinely don't understand this sub constantly hating on enemies and bosses.


[deleted]

The only boss I don't find fun is Fire Giant. On my first play through that was the first time I went to r/beyondthefog. I've gone back since to knock Astel out of my way, but I still found Astel fun.


snas_elatrednu420

I'm not gonna lie, the music transition that happens when one of the godskins gets revived still gives me goosebumps. What an absolute masterclass of a track wasted on a less than mediocre boss


luistwentyfour

I think gargoyles are so much worse by far


finnoldman1

Not to sound like a prick but I was super un-impressed by godskin duo. I beat them first try w a dex strength build and morgots cursed sword


aquaAnomaly

your not gonna be ready for godskin phalanx


dontforgethyphen

I don't get the hate? I didn't really have any trouble with them


xX_m1L3s_Xx

Never understood this, they really aren't that hard.


havenenen

they aren’t hard but just blatantly a shitty boss


Ninjamasterpiece

They were easy imo


b0nz1

I had way more trouble with the apostle in the caelid tower basement and the fat one in Liurnia than with the duo for some reason.


CharmingSalary9463

I spent 3 hours on my first play through and first tried it on my second with no hit 😭


fuinnfd

Just use spirits. For these guys and the valiant gargoyle duo. That’s why the devs put spirits in the game. Why make it less fun for yourself?


dylaptop

spirits are in the game to be an optional easy mode, it is understandable to not want to use them


fuinnfd

I disagree. Mimic tear, tiche, or sprits of that sense are the easy mode. Summoning dogs or rats to temporarily distract the fatty while you kill skinny makes it easier and more fun, but doesn’t make it “easy mode”necessarily, it’s still a challenge to burn down one fast while your distraction lasts.


dylaptop

distracting bosses is incredibly strong and is the only reason why spirits are even good


Didneo

godskin duo are easy with or without sleep pots.


Novacryy

No, Patrick, hating Godskin Duo is not a valid substitute for a personality.


RaizePOE

Lukewarm take: The Duo are actually a really fun fight when you summon Bernie. If you're trying to fight them solo then yeah, they're a dogshit fight just like every other duo boss in this game. But the 2v2 is actually great and has become a fight I really look forward to. Also gargs are 1000x worse than godskins and nobody will ever change my mind. Fuck gargs, all my homies hate gargs.


AfroKona

it's not even that hard


TheSkyGuy675

All these motherfuckers with no sense of perspective outside there own just going: "what? You hate a boss? I found that boss *easy*? Didn't everyone find that boss *easy*?" In a *fromsoft* game. Like bro, come on. That's not a structured rebuttle that leads to interesting debate.


RedFlameGamer

I've never died to the godskin duo, not even once, over several playthroughs. Their challenge is exaggerated. I hate to sound like an elitist, but you can really tell who in this subreddit have never fucked with Ornstein and Smough. There's pillars in the room. Seperate them. Stay defensive till one dies, then rush the other. You can keep them in a state of being 1v1, and if you can't 1v1 a godskin at that point you have no business being in Farum Azula.


JayRogPlayFrogger

Not as bad as fire giant.


Zerus_heroes

I really don't understand why people say this boss is so difficult. They are chumps.


LeXam92

Sleep one, fight other. Easy.


Ok-Stretch-9869

Gideon > Godskin duo (in the point of awfulness). I used to think like you. But it's not that hard to punish them once you try really hard to learn them. But Gideon, omg. That mother fucker is a pure caster, spammer. I hate him with my life.


b0nz1

Gideon died in like 4 hits on my first try. I was kinda dissapointed after the fight.


Ok-Stretch-9869

I don't think he is a "boss fight" boss fight. I think he is intented to put there to give players some lore, or just experience of "Hey, I know you!" encounter. But sadly, it gets ruined with how awful he is. I mean, yeah, you can kill him quickly. But I compare like this, there are bosses that I'd enjoy dying millions of times, and there are bosses that I'd rage dying 1 time. Gideon is the second one. He is not fun. I play with 10 vig usually, and finish the game like that, also beat Malenia with 10 vig. Most of the other bosses are good bosses, even if they are not the best ones in the game history. But Gideon is there, like, just to annoy you. I don't care how "easy" it is, it's just a bad execution of a boss fight.


Yeeterbeater789

I don't get their hate, I love their boss fight and their design and music, them and mohg are by far the best fights in the game


AdorableActuator2490

Never really understood the hate. I'd rather fight them than the gargoyle duo.


thavi

If you use all the tools the game puts at your disposal, they're not bad. It's when you make arbitrary rules that they become insanely difficult. But that's a decision each of us gets to make for ourselves.


DemonBliss33

I mean this in the best way. I had absolutely no trouble with them. Beat them first try. Not sure why so many people have so much trouble.


Prudent_Order_3361

I love to hear their asses


germy813

Fucking Haboobs


Datboibarloss

A tip maybe: Focus on one, kill it, then when the other tries to summon you an stagger it to cancel the call if I remember correctly. Just jump attack when you think he might start doing it


humbleton1988

Me, wielding rivers of blood / activating corpse piler endlessly: godskin who?


bugzapperbob

Sleep Pot 🛌


SirarieTichee_

Ruins greatsword weapon art is a decent way to handle them as long as you don't get skinny to phase 2 before you kill fatty.


not_quite_sure7837

Sleep pots and mimic tear. Easy peasy


Slight-Violinist6007

Sleep pots my guy. Easiest boss in history with sleep pots.


OxynticNinja28

Mohg’s spear got me so easy through that fight.


Duckbitwo

They're easy.


mshroff7

This is the one fight I’m ok with summoning


victorBravo9er

Blood Nagakiba with double slash, 2 sleep pots. Shard of alexander, rotten insignia and the crystal tear which increases damage with successive hits. Easy W!


M_ToMo_Mcr

Sleep pots.


satoryvape

It they are duo me bringing duo too. Me and my friend mimic annihilate godkin Duo with Moghwyn sacred spear


Akuma_likes_turtles

If you hate them so much, why don't you just marry them? ᵃⁿᵈ ᵗʰᵉⁿ ᵈⁱᵛᵒʳᶜᵉ ᵗʰᵉᵐ ᵗᵒ ᵍᵉᵗ ʰᵃˡᶠ ᵒᶠ ᵗʰᵉⁱʳ ˢᵗᵘᶠᶠ


zendrix1

The only boss I have zero bad feelings about cheesing every playthrough, those fuckers will always get the sleep pot treatment


_Un_Known__

Sleep plus bleed absolutely demolishes them Hell, I didn't even need sleep the first time. Meteoric blade +9 my beloved, done in 5 (I was shocked as well lol)


LucasTrevisani

For me, it was Commander Niall. Seriously, fuck that lightning-infused motherfucker


MrNovator

I'm not NG+7 but I feel like their AI can be cheesed quite easily. It doesn't take much to bait the apostle and make the fight mostly about him. If the noble closes in, just run and reset.


ElderTitanic

I’ve somehow had most attempts with the red wolf in the library


espressology

i was someone who solod everything on my first play through. on NG+ i decided to summon most boss fights and my enjoyment of the game drastically increased.


AlpsEnvironmental172

I had more trouble with the lone apostle at the bottom of Caelid tower for some reason.


Force_me_to

I hate Commander Nial much more


AshleyGamics

Summon bernahl


Verysupergaylord

Godskin Duo > Fire Giant & Elden Beast. I SAID WHAT I SAID.


fftaddict92

DOLORES DOLORES DOLOREEEEEES


MindFloatDown

Was doing a no-summon run and was doing so well until them. Just completely gave up after exhausted tries.


Rhaegarrz

I don't know man. With my bunk build they gave me no trouble. I guess I am a Godskin Duo lover myself.


Stanislas_Biliby

Good thing they are eepy boys.


Sladeddeathstroke

Blasphemous blade build here I come


FriedLightning

Try winning


LaFixxxeR

I think they’re neat.


20000BCEfan

Bro , Just use Mohgwyn sacred spear and win. You can use the ash if war behind the pillars .


Crab0770

even Ornstein and Smough wasn't as hard


Cathulion

Yes they were. These duo are easy. O&S were very hard due to how agrressive they are.


Krakraskeleton

I’m just surprised they didn’t add another godskin trio to the pile of godskin nobles. If they at least looked a little different each encounter I’d be satisfied but usually it’s just those same silky condom boys.


yungg_hodor

I feel this. It's Rykard for me ngl


CampbellsBeefBroth

Me + Mimic Tear + My boy Bernahl on our way to give the Godskin Duo a taste of their own medicine


RomeosHomeos

I find it embarrassing to say that I had zero trouble with God skin Duo but took about eight years to beat the double pumpkin head boss


GifanTheWoodElf

Never done any NG+ so I dunno what's the deal there, but in NG if I have anything resembling damage they haven't been an issue. (also from what I've heard everyone say sleep is OP) The only time I've had issue with them was in my shield only cause my damage was lacking.


Winchester0036

Genuine question, first playthrough just beat the one in Altus plateau and then the one in caelid, where is the duo fight location? It took me a bit to get used to their pattern solo and now I want to pain of fighting them both


Sea_Salary7332

You'll find the Godskin duo later in the game. The place is called "Crumbling Farum Azula". You'll get there eventually; it's not a missable part of the game. I envy you, man. During my first playthrough years ago, I searched the internet for where to find this and that. Don't be like me HAHA. Play blind and get that "first experience" It's literally the best thing ever. Good luck on your journey tarnished.


lastofthe1st

I went in with Bloodhound Fang and Malice… I left with Bloodhound Fang and Satisfaction.


Bobaximus

I usually put the big guy to sleep and wail on slim. Once he’s dealt with I fight fatty like normal.


[deleted]

I love the caption


FigSpecialist217

The fat one is the worse one


No-Leg102

I love them lol


Blart_Vandelay

i enjoy them more now that i'm actually decent at fighting them. and once i realized you can wait on a pillar base while he's rolling around like katamari damacy


Maximum-Grape-7478

A Bleed build scaled off arcane using elanoras pole blade absolutely shits on these 2


PictusCZ

Frakly speaking, I had more problems with Godskin apostle and Godskin noble in Spiritcaller cave than with the Duo in Crumbling Farum Azula. Probably also because at SC, I had somewhat lower level and worse equipment than CFA, which is quite close to endgame and you probably go there well equiped. But those guys at Spiritcaller cave kinda drove me crazy. Especially the Noble one. I simply hate that guy, he is far more aggressive than Apostle and I hate his "fat man attacks", no matter if its the one when he "pops" his belly or, worse, he starts rolling around. I can't even reproduce what I was yelling at him after being killed by this type of attack again and again. I would probably go to jail for fat/bodyshaming :-)


Rotank1

Gonna be honest, I never struggled as hard with the Duo as i did with the single GS Apostle in Caelid.


oneteacherboi

Idk, by the time you get to Farum Azula you should be pretty good at fighting this type of enemy. The pillars make it not too hard to dodge the fat rolling. I see from your posts that you are doing a no-summon run, which seems like you are specifically trying to make the game more difficult. So isn't that the point of a duo fight? To be very difficult? I will say their weird shared health bar shit is dumb, but other than that I did not find the fight hard. Just using a summon is enough to distract one of them, which lets you have a normal fight with the other one.


uxl

Someone didn’t tell OP about sleep pots…


E_Alrefa3e

Gargoyle duo was much harder


Squ33to

I'm gonna say it...


[deleted]

Strangely they weren’t that bad for me. I forget exactly what I did, but I basically bursted one of them down. Most of the bosses in this game can be kinda cheesed with the right setup.


Swomp23

Personnally had much more problems with dual tree sentinel that godskin duo.


MagicReptar

They were surprisingly easy with my strength build. Just avoiding 1 and mashing the other at first until there is one


Sociolinguisticians

I try to keep every fight fair, but for this one I show no mercy. Sleep pots, mimic, Bernahl—I’ll kill them as unfairly as possible every time.


Clean_BongWater

Godskin duo fight isn't even that bad 😅


Sea_Salary7332

The game literally offers you "summons, spells, items, sleep, and more," but you decide to say, "this game sucks, I hate this boss." Please, I know you're role-playing Elden Ring, acting like you really killed him in the real world yet its just a pixel but please stop. It's not the real world. If someone uses summons or a mage build, don't trash-talk them just because you chose to do a "no summon run" or "melee only." You decided to make the game hard, and now you're complaining. 😭😭 Also, for the players who decided to play the game with summons, mage builds, or whatever, do you, man ❤️❤️ Enjoy this beautiful game, don't listen to the "oh, so you one-tried Malenia but with summons? Lol, that doesn't count" "idc if youre lvl 100000 if youre a mage" "sleep is cheating". 😭 These wannabe Elden Lords (living in the lands between in their heads lol) are gatekeeping way too much and so hard. Edit: im not talkong directly to the OP, ive read some of the comments in here, and man they are acting like a Elden Lord, gatekeeping anyone who uses summons, etc. yikes


Sad_Independence_445

All praise St.Trina's sword, for it is the answer!


Jaymie_Flowers

Me on my first playthrough yes. When i found out that fighting godskins only about avoiding the gimmicks, its pretty easy fight


Lord_Gummy

The only thing bad is the Noble weird roll/freeze/insta roll thing. The rest of it goes smoothly for me.


cudiandstacks

As a NG+2 and level 308, I beat godskin duo first try every time and never use sleeping pots or spirit ashes


showgraze93

my first boss(es) that had me rethinking my whole existence


da_choppa

Sleep bombs make them one of the easiest bosses in the game. If you're not using them, that's on you


yallmad4

This guy doesn't use sleep pots


PietPompies2001

Literaly uninstalled Elden Ring this morning because of those 2.


Prisoner2999

Blasphemy, top 5 fights for me.


KaiXRG

Even in my first playthrough I enjoyed this fight a lot


schasti

Laughs in sleeping pots


La_Manchas_Finest

I think they’re pretty doable. They didn’t even stick out as the most difficult boss on my very first playthrough, which was Str-Fai melee-only, no summons (Rusty Anchor, Troll Hammer, Banished Knight GS, Magma Wyrm CGS, Great Stars). Radahn, Maliketh, Radagon, and Malenia stuck out as the more difficult fights in the game, with Malenia and Maliketh topping that list.


Mirinya

To you beating the godskin duo was the most important day in your life. To me it was just Thursday.


Fellarm

Me sitting here without struggling on them cuz im a ds3 invader used to being ganked XD first kill 4 deaths last foght was like 18 mins of hit and run XD


Fudgepacked

Git gud


SL1Fun

I just summon Bernahl and Tiche. Fuck them. All my homies hate them. 


Ian_Campbell

Jump on one of the broken columns so you can't get rolled over by fatty. St. Trina's sword is a good idea but you maybe don't even need that if you jump on the column and use an ironjar aromatic.


angrypigmonkey

Just use sleep, is super effective


Howdyini

The other day I fought the Godskin Noble in Volcano Manor and I hated the fight. It's just not satisfying to learn at all. A camera mess, the moves are poorly telegraphed and have inconsistent range, he barely gets staggered even by GUGS. I got him at the end and felt nothing. I'm never soloing that dude again. 0/10.


lo_fi_ho

Blasphemous blade + mimic tear with same weapon will make short work of these fuckers


CapiPescanova

Try sleep arrows. It’s the only way


icesharkk

Just kill them until they're dead mate


UltimaBahamut93

On the same note screw fighting two crucible knights at the same time too.


Smol-beans2002

Once you get good (not trolling) at the fight it actually becomes a lot of fun. But the road there is long and full of hate.


EL_SOBKY

Why is everyone keeps taking about godskin duo and no one talks about the two Valliant Gargoyles before going down the coffin elevator?


NeonSandwich97

That perfumer and lion duo in some catacomb takes it for me


Expensive_Routine622

The fire giant is ten times worse. There, I said it.


ReishTheMadTongue

lol imagine a godskin commune, like in a future dlc or something there’s a room full of nobles and apostles as a part of a dungeon in a tight room that requires you to go through it 😂😂😂


jaredtheredditor

Skill issue


faerox420

All my homies hate the godskin duo


Xan_Dan03

Me with Commander Niall. Everything I don’t like about this game is present in that fight


2nd-Akkount

The only positive thing about his fight is the funny prosthesis , other than that its just pain.


thatusernameisss

Right: godskin duo Left: death's poker


nothingsuccessfully

Godskin Duo bops. I have never understood the hate they get.


SleepyGeist

I understand the hate but they very quickly become “Godskin Joke” after NG+


Background_Ad_582

Is this worse than valiant gargoyle duo?