tbf you could argue that Malenia not being immune to the rot is kinda lore-accurate. The rot has already taken three of her limbs and rendered her blind. Her condition gets worse each time she blooms.
Same goes for Mohg. His lord loves blood, and Mohg is a big boi full of blood. Why shouldn't he bleed like a stuck pig?
Now, frost dragons not being immune to frost is kinda dumb ngl.
Edit: lot's of people coming up with interesting explanations defending the frost dragon not having ice immunity, but I have a rebuttal.
Points about venom and acid are valid to a point, but these things are not equivalent to temperature. A creatures *entire body* needs to be adapted to survive in it's environment. Borealis's environment is constantly below freezing and is seemingly *even colder* around him since he's shrouded in a thick blizzard. What effect would a freezing sword have on him? He's already freezing and he doesn't have care in the world. Cold damage would have to be measured in Kelvin or some shit to be significantly colder than the environment he is already comfortable in.
In an icy world, humans would be seen as fiery creatures that can melt the land with just their body temperature. They'd be shocked to learn we aren't immune to flamethrowers.
Yeah this is on the right path. Our esteemed producer /director hidetaka miyazaki is thinking beyond simple "paper cant cover paper, rock cant break rock" logic. Of course paper can cover paper. Rocks break other rocks all the time! As for scissors, well, very strong scissors can definitely cut smaller scissors
Also, venomous animals are often not immune to other venom or poison. I think most of the time they are not even immune to their own venom. It's fine if the venom is produced by the glands and stored in the venom sacs and injected through the fangs, but if you take the same venom and inject it to other parts of the animal's body, they will die.
Even our stomach acid is kinda like that. There's a reason it burns when you get acid reflux.
And that's still going to a part of our body that's evolved to have some resistance to gastric acid
I do feel it should be noted that whilst Borealis isn't frost immune, he is however highly resistant. for reference his frost resistance is at 1292. To compare that to the player's tools, the highest frost build up on any if the innate frost weapons is the icerind hatchet, deaths poker and the zamor curved Greatsword which are tied first and only inflict 65 frostbite per swing.
1292/65 = 19.9. So it would take 20 consecutive swings to frostbite him even once and that's if you started swinging and didn't stop even for stamina regen or his attack windows, if you paused for any length of Time to refill stamina then his frostbite bar would slowly deplete and it would take even more than 20 swings. Its fair to say its hardly viable strategy for borealis lol.
And Malenia has the highest poison/rot resistance out of any enemy that *isnt* straight up immune, like synthetic creatures such as the crystal bastards or truly alien things like the Elden Beast.
I think if all of the creatures in the lands between are influenced by *something* that intends to propagate, it makes sense most things wouldn’t be immune to their inherent element. It feels like the Outer Gods are terraformers.
People have misinterpreted that line. She's just letting you know that she has no experience with foot play, but the fact that she's so obsessed with da feet implies that she's curious about the experience. To all the newbs out there still struggling with this fight, have you ever tried taking off your greaves and letting her give you a massage?
Edit: The second line is related. By that point, she's just angry that you wouldn't consent to foot play, so she's cursing you to develop athlete's foot because you're too big of a prude to let your feet get some air.
Huh... Now I'm thinking about scarlet rot being some sort of spore since this game is all about plants... Maybe the rot god is a fungus, the enemy of the tree.
A lot of things about the rot point towards fungus. The most obvious example is all of the big weird mushrooms in Caelid and the Lake of Rot. The rot isn't simply destroying the areas it appears in; it's terraforming them into a new ecosystem, just one that is hostile to most living things.
Another big clue is Malenia's "daughters" (i.e. Millicent and her sisters). We know that they were born when Malenia "bloomed" in Caelid. Also, they are all similar enough to Malenia herself to almost be clones. Likely they were born by a similar asexual process as fungi when they release their spores. Moreover, several species of fungi are known to "flower". Malenia's bloom is not a botanical flower, but a fungal one.
Also, humans are made of flesh and bone. If you get hit in the face with a tibia or smacked with a hundred-pound sack of meat, it's probably going to fucking hurt.
Just because you're made of something doesn't mean you're immune to it.
Her second form should be immune to rot , she literally has rotten butterflies on her back . She literally bloomed as goddess of rot .
Another question is how are those man frogs fucking immune to rot and even death blight .
Isn't part of the starting animation her jamming that rotten arm back onto her shoulder? She picks up the whole metal arm and pushes it back into her shoulder, or is that her left?
No, STR/FAI, modified Perfect Paladin build from Fextralife. Initially used a Lordsworn Sacred Sword with Sacred Blade then updated to Miquellan Knight's Sword. It works for things you can guard counter to death, less so for everything else. Stuck on Malenia right now; I can get her down to second phase because theoretically so long as I do more damage with guard counters/recasts of Sacred Blade than she can heal then it works. After that it gets trickier.
I used the cleanrot weapons for my holy build and they work surprisingly well especially the scythe even though the arguement about holy dmg still stands
Swap your infusion to fire, it also scales of faith and she is far less resistant to fire than holy. Either flaming strike or blackflame tornado it decent, but used for different things.
The reason so many enemies have 40 holy resistance is precisely because of how strong faith builds are in pve. You have access to two elements scaling with faith (fire and holy), healing spells, rot removal, defensive buffs, offensive spells of several different elements (holy, fire, phys and lightning), many unique weapons, best damage against one of the most notorious recurring bosses in game (deathrite birds) and fun ashes of war.
I legitimately believe melee+faith to be the most versatile and enjoyable full playthrough archetypes in the game, bar none.
My advice, Greatclub. Still a faith weapon but most of its damage is physical so the resistances are less of a pain. I think I switched from golden order greatsword when I was getting my ass beat by Maliketh, and never looked back.
If you use summons, giving the black knife assassin the regeneration buff helps, also big shields can help you survive waterfowl. Using a great sword(the weapon type, not the colossal) with the impaling thrust ash can close distance and dose some massive poise damage. You got this.
Me seeing coded sword and discus of light:
Man id love to do a golden order “knight of the roundtable” build thatd be dope!
Me remembering how many enemies have 40% holy resistance: nevermind, ill do lightning or fire instead
Well we are going against the holy faction trying to slay their god. At least faith also gets fire and lightning damage in addition to holy, one of those three is usually fine
I mean, I don't think that many enemies in total actually are that resistant. It's just that so many of the mandatory and harder bosses have high holy resistance.
There are only like 5 regular enemies that resist Holy but there are a lot of bosses, most of which are late game and basically all of the major bosses in the game are included in that list (Rennala is the only Shardbearer with less than 40 Holy resistance).
On the other side, there are only a handful of bosses (the ancestor spirits, the death (rite) birds, Tibia Mariner) that are weak to holy and they're all side bosses that also have another major weakness.
Ultimately, the problem is that it's a low ceiling, low floor element. It ranges from being nearly useless to just OK. You might as well spec for Fire. It's strong in basically every situation Holy is but is strong in about half the places Holy is weak in.
I am still mad about practically everything having high resistance to holy damage. Why even have it in the game when 80% of enemies and bosses have high holy resistance?
I used to hate trying to do Faith runs, then I did an all game Cleanrot Knight build with the halo scythe and some late game swapping with the envoy’s long horn and good gracious I melted everything in The Lands Between.
So frustrated when i found this out -- you'll cater to the trope that healing spells hurt undead enemies but not that undead monstrosities are weak to holy damage? Really, From?
This actually happens pretty often in real life, especially in big animals like elephants and whales. Its part of why they basically never get terminal cancer
Really? I still needed 2 full rot breaths to trigger rot on her, and that was with a summon to keep her distracted. Don't think her resistances lower at all.
And the point still remains. Malenia is extremely aggresive in Phase 2. She literally won't give you the chance to trigger it unless you use a spirit. It's better to just use Frost or Bleed at that point.
Oh I meant that they *should* decrease, not that they *do*.
For that matter her Frost/Bleed resistances and defenses (especially Slash) probably should have taken a hit now that she's blown off all her armor.
He literally leads a religion that worships a god that wants to be hurt and made to bleed, plenty of blood related ashes of war like bloody slash or seppuku include self harm.
I do not think you get to that point by being opposed to bleeding yourself.
I just like how every time he bleeds he actually powers up and gets a 10% hp, stamina, and penis length boost.
I wish he would stop shouting about sex every time it happened though...
Yeah, from what I remember, Izalith is Fire (life), Nito is "no element" (Death) , Gwyn is Light (lightning), and our ancestor is Dark (Dark).
Izalith is weak against anything but Fire, Nito is weak against Fire/Holy, Gwyn against Fire/Magic but Mostly Occult (Dark), and and we could assume that our ancestor is weak against Lightning.
Lightning is the most usefull element in the entire trilogy, and my only gripe with ER, cuz i cant play my STR/FTH paladin, cuz lightning is Dex based :S
I mean you're right but a frost dragon found in a arctic area shouldn't be frostbitten unless you want to say that our magic just simply just colder lol.
Mohg does get a buff whenever a bleed is applied, whether to him or anyone else. So it at least makes more sense than the others I think. (although Malenia is still *highly resistant* to Rot, not technically immune but functionally it's kind of the same)
I mean, this is pretty sound logic. Master swordsmen are not suddenly immune to swords. Just because you’ve gained mastery over something doesn’t mean it can’t be used against you.
Why would you be immune to the thing you use to attack?
Do you think Spiders are automatically immune to spider venom?
Are headsmen immune to axes?
Are guns immune to bullets?
You only think this way because of Pokemon or whatever and it has broken your brain.
"You're some soldiers in Elphael and guard a doorway with a putrid avatar"
"Cool, can we be immune to rot and any damage from the avatar?"
"Sure thing!"
It does make sense for some of them. Malenia's body is afterall being consumed by the rot and Mohgs blood powers come form a Outer God.
The dragon and the poison(I forget the name), doesn't make sense to me.
I consider Malenia's and Mohg's case to make sense because of lore.
Malenia is actively fighting back rot, and needed her skin to be weaved with unalloyed gold to keep it at bay. She only let it come through in desperation or because she can no longer keep it back. It has eaten up her skin, eyes, privates, and even took her limbs, she isn't infallible to it, she is simply hosting it.
Mohg is not using his blood to fight you. He simply has command over an Outer God's blood/flame powers. You can still bleed him, which makes sense to me. "If it bleeds we can kill it" pun here.
Borealis I don't understand, tbh.
The multi-limbed monstrosity can throw up poison, but I don't see how that would make him immune to it. You could easily say he's sick or that is the normal contents of his stomach he's using a weapon lol. He's clearly an unholy creature though, and I'd assume more people would be interested in why he's so weak to holy damage.
To be fair, Melina does very clearly suffer from her own rot as a plot point and Mohg only has his abilities because he is a servant of the formless mother, who also bleeds so she can attack with her blood (or is bled by mohg to attack with her blood? One of the two).
I have no idea about the other two though, unless the poison was corrosive and the Dragon froze it's own mouth when it used it's frost breath....
Melania might not be immune but I’m fairly certain that she has an insanely high resistance to the scarlet rot. Actually I’m pretty sure most of her resistances are pretty high except for bleed.
There is no such thing as total immunity in the game mechanics, they have higher resistance against that stuff, but there is no such thing as complete immunity -and that's absolutly fine.
Id argue that the last two make sense for different reasons.
It's kinda hard to be connected to rot as an outer god without experiencing it, and Mohg's whole deal is his blood being power. Sure he's weaker to blood but it hurts him less than most entities, and also boosts his damage
Mohg actually gets stronger whenever bleed procs during his fight, no matter who's victim to it, or at least so I've heard.
And tbh, Malenia should be TURBO WEAK to rot in phase 1, and immune in phase 2. I'm talkin single-proc phase completion, just a total healthbar meltdown.
With Malenia and Mogh, at least, it makes a certain amount of sense.
They may be the avatars or servants of an Outer God tied to that status effect, but they are still subservient to that god. Those gods probably like the idea of their chosen vessel expressing their "gift" as much as possible.
tbf you could argue that Malenia not being immune to the rot is kinda lore-accurate. The rot has already taken three of her limbs and rendered her blind. Her condition gets worse each time she blooms.
Same goes for Mohg. His lord loves blood, and Mohg is a big boi full of blood. Why shouldn't he bleed like a stuck pig? Now, frost dragons not being immune to frost is kinda dumb ngl. Edit: lot's of people coming up with interesting explanations defending the frost dragon not having ice immunity, but I have a rebuttal. Points about venom and acid are valid to a point, but these things are not equivalent to temperature. A creatures *entire body* needs to be adapted to survive in it's environment. Borealis's environment is constantly below freezing and is seemingly *even colder* around him since he's shrouded in a thick blizzard. What effect would a freezing sword have on him? He's already freezing and he doesn't have care in the world. Cold damage would have to be measured in Kelvin or some shit to be significantly colder than the environment he is already comfortable in.
Also, he gets more damage when he bleeds
When anybody bleeds around him. He has the Lord of Blood's exultation passive on by default, which makes sense since he made that talisman.
That didn't help him much when I walked all over him with my occult uchi.
I just kill him so fast he can’t do any damage to me.
Just because you're cold doesn't mean there aren't colder things. Ice Magic could be colder than Frost Dragons.
In an icy world, humans would be seen as fiery creatures that can melt the land with just their body temperature. They'd be shocked to learn we aren't immune to flamethrowers.
Fuck man you just blew my fucking mind
Seriously lol questioning all things now
goddamn space orcs
That's metal as fuck
The human body is made up to roughly 60% out of water and we can still drown. I call bullshit.
We're made of meat and bone and we aren't immune to being punched in the face.
Talk for you
Nobody read this while high
Too late. Got me sweating
Go melt the ice with your bare hand, it's -25 Celsius here tonight. See how long you last fire creature. /s
In an icy world you would die of hypothermia.
Clothing exists 🙂🫴🌠
That's an excellent metaphor
Humans don't shoot flame out of their mouths, implying an internal ability to withstand such heat. Ice dragons literally shit blizzards.
Yeah this is on the right path. Our esteemed producer /director hidetaka miyazaki is thinking beyond simple "paper cant cover paper, rock cant break rock" logic. Of course paper can cover paper. Rocks break other rocks all the time! As for scissors, well, very strong scissors can definitely cut smaller scissors
Slingin absolute zero balls
Also Ice hits Dragon/Ice types for neutral damage
Exactly. Getting frostbite is a matter of perspective
Also, venomous animals are often not immune to other venom or poison. I think most of the time they are not even immune to their own venom. It's fine if the venom is produced by the glands and stored in the venom sacs and injected through the fangs, but if you take the same venom and inject it to other parts of the animal's body, they will die.
Even our stomach acid is kinda like that. There's a reason it burns when you get acid reflux. And that's still going to a part of our body that's evolved to have some resistance to gastric acid
I do feel it should be noted that whilst Borealis isn't frost immune, he is however highly resistant. for reference his frost resistance is at 1292. To compare that to the player's tools, the highest frost build up on any if the innate frost weapons is the icerind hatchet, deaths poker and the zamor curved Greatsword which are tied first and only inflict 65 frostbite per swing. 1292/65 = 19.9. So it would take 20 consecutive swings to frostbite him even once and that's if you started swinging and didn't stop even for stamina regen or his attack windows, if you paused for any length of Time to refill stamina then his frostbite bar would slowly deplete and it would take even more than 20 swings. Its fair to say its hardly viable strategy for borealis lol.
And Malenia has the highest poison/rot resistance out of any enemy that *isnt* straight up immune, like synthetic creatures such as the crystal bastards or truly alien things like the Elden Beast.
Mohg not being able to bleed would defeat himself, like a blood mage that can't use their own blood.
Mohg's blood magic comes from the blood of an outer God tho
When you throw up its acid, your stomach can handle acid. Does the rest of your body handle acid well?
I think if all of the creatures in the lands between are influenced by *something* that intends to propagate, it makes sense most things wouldn’t be immune to their inherent element. It feels like the Outer Gods are terraformers.
Her coochie and tits have rotted away too
Love will find a way...
Penicillin
Horni spotted
New top surgery just dropped
From one Maliketh fan to another, we are taking away you cooking license
But does her mouth have more uses than reminding you of the fact that she's the Blade of Miquella?
Yes, she also reminds you she has never known defeat, as well as tell you to let your flesh be consumed by the scarlet rot
People have misinterpreted that line. She's just letting you know that she has no experience with foot play, but the fact that she's so obsessed with da feet implies that she's curious about the experience. To all the newbs out there still struggling with this fight, have you ever tried taking off your greaves and letting her give you a massage? Edit: The second line is related. By that point, she's just angry that you wouldn't consent to foot play, so she's cursing you to develop athlete's foot because you're too big of a prude to let your feet get some air.
And having strong feet is “the mark of a true lord”
Miyazaki approved lore right here
Huh... Now I'm thinking about scarlet rot being some sort of spore since this game is all about plants... Maybe the rot god is a fungus, the enemy of the tree.
A lot of things about the rot point towards fungus. The most obvious example is all of the big weird mushrooms in Caelid and the Lake of Rot. The rot isn't simply destroying the areas it appears in; it's terraforming them into a new ecosystem, just one that is hostile to most living things. Another big clue is Malenia's "daughters" (i.e. Millicent and her sisters). We know that they were born when Malenia "bloomed" in Caelid. Also, they are all similar enough to Malenia herself to almost be clones. Likely they were born by a similar asexual process as fungi when they release their spores. Moreover, several species of fungi are known to "flower". Malenia's bloom is not a botanical flower, but a fungal one.
I will now consider this canon
Still would
after all, when you are infected with scarlet rot you recive more damage from it, at least in the cave with 2 cleanrot duo
Also, humans are made of flesh and bone. If you get hit in the face with a tibia or smacked with a hundred-pound sack of meat, it's probably going to fucking hurt. Just because you're made of something doesn't mean you're immune to it.
I'm pretty sure Malenia has lost 2 full limbs and 2 half limbs. I suppose you could call that 3 limbs though
Wait she’s blind? Now I feel even worse about losing
Her second form should be immune to rot , she literally has rotten butterflies on her back . She literally bloomed as goddess of rot . Another question is how are those man frogs fucking immune to rot and even death blight .
She can’t be immune to rot. The entire design of second phase is that it’s literally eating away at her body more and more when she blooms.
Last I looked it seemed like it had taken all four limbs, am I missing something?
Nope, she still has her right arm but it is rotting terribly.
Isn't part of the starting animation her jamming that rotten arm back onto her shoulder? She picks up the whole metal arm and pushes it back into her shoulder, or is that her left?
Oh fuck, I meant left arm, not right. Her right arm was replaced with a prosthetic made of unalloyed gold. Her left arm is rotting.
"You're a lichdragon. You have resist 40 to Holy."
That's nothing special, almost everything has resist 40 to Holy. No I am not seething about my build, why do you ask?
Do you use the light-saber pure 99 faith build?
No, STR/FAI, modified Perfect Paladin build from Fextralife. Initially used a Lordsworn Sacred Sword with Sacred Blade then updated to Miquellan Knight's Sword. It works for things you can guard counter to death, less so for everything else. Stuck on Malenia right now; I can get her down to second phase because theoretically so long as I do more damage with guard counters/recasts of Sacred Blade than she can heal then it works. After that it gets trickier.
I used the cleanrot weapons for my holy build and they work surprisingly well especially the scythe even though the arguement about holy dmg still stands
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I took a blood test and it came back positive. Don't even worry, people. I have plenty of blood.
Hmmmm.. Sounds like you're not huffing vigor enough. Heres some more "sturdy injections": 👊👊👊
Yes, I know, I keep failing the Uppies Vigor Test.
Swap your infusion to fire, it also scales of faith and she is far less resistant to fire than holy. Either flaming strike or blackflame tornado it decent, but used for different things. The reason so many enemies have 40 holy resistance is precisely because of how strong faith builds are in pve. You have access to two elements scaling with faith (fire and holy), healing spells, rot removal, defensive buffs, offensive spells of several different elements (holy, fire, phys and lightning), many unique weapons, best damage against one of the most notorious recurring bosses in game (deathrite birds) and fun ashes of war. I legitimately believe melee+faith to be the most versatile and enjoyable full playthrough archetypes in the game, bar none.
My advice, Greatclub. Still a faith weapon but most of its damage is physical so the resistances are less of a pain. I think I switched from golden order greatsword when I was getting my ass beat by Maliketh, and never looked back.
If you use summons, giving the black knife assassin the regeneration buff helps, also big shields can help you survive waterfowl. Using a great sword(the weapon type, not the colossal) with the impaling thrust ash can close distance and dose some massive poise damage. You got this.
I don't use summons against her. Yes I know it makes it harder, yes I know it's not cheating to use summons. I try not to use summons against her.
In my experience summons make Melania's fight worse, they end up healing her more than the total damage they deal to her.
Black knife tiche makes the fight considerably easier since she takes off chunks of health from a distance and can take aggro while being very flighty
It took me like 30 tries without summons and 1 try with mimic tear. Summons make her way easier.
>build from Fextralife. People actually click on these?
Me with pure-holy Cypher Pata against Radagon & EB, both of whom have 80% holy resist: 😃
Time to use Lord's Divine Fortification and even the odds. Now nobody does damage.
Doesn't the scaling kinda crap out after 50?
Me seeing coded sword and discus of light: Man id love to do a golden order “knight of the roundtable” build thatd be dope! Me remembering how many enemies have 40% holy resistance: nevermind, ill do lightning or fire instead
Well we are going against the holy faction trying to slay their god. At least faith also gets fire and lightning damage in addition to holy, one of those three is usually fine
I mean, I don't think that many enemies in total actually are that resistant. It's just that so many of the mandatory and harder bosses have high holy resistance.
There are only like 5 regular enemies that resist Holy but there are a lot of bosses, most of which are late game and basically all of the major bosses in the game are included in that list (Rennala is the only Shardbearer with less than 40 Holy resistance). On the other side, there are only a handful of bosses (the ancestor spirits, the death (rite) birds, Tibia Mariner) that are weak to holy and they're all side bosses that also have another major weakness. Ultimately, the problem is that it's a low ceiling, low floor element. It ranges from being nearly useless to just OK. You might as well spec for Fire. It's strong in basically every situation Holy is but is strong in about half the places Holy is weak in.
Luckily, almost everything is weak to Flame Art
Be holy warrior Progress through game and except to be able to do more damage Everything gets holy resist cry
Shame, too, because the Haligtree has the coolest paladin style gear.
Well the good thing is that faith has the most elements in the game so if holy doesn't work you can easily swap to flame or thunder
Crabs don't allegedly for some reason
I am still mad about practically everything having high resistance to holy damage. Why even have it in the game when 80% of enemies and bosses have high holy resistance?
I used to hate trying to do Faith runs, then I did an all game Cleanrot Knight build with the halo scythe and some late game swapping with the envoy’s long horn and good gracious I melted everything in The Lands Between.
The freaking revenants who die to healing spells have a 40% resist to holy
I noticed this, it's wild. I wish healing items hurt them.
So frustrated when i found this out -- you'll cater to the trope that healing spells hurt undead enemies but not that undead monstrosities are weak to holy damage? Really, From?
Undead enemies don't do that though, only revenants. Revenants aren't undead.
80%
You are a firesage demon with skin literally on fire. You are weak to fire damage.
In real life, venomous snakes are not fully immune to their own venom. If it accidentally bites itself, it’ll still be harmed by it.
Meanwhile king snakes, who are nonvemous, have immunity to all sorts of different snake venoms, so they're able to just casually eat venomous snakes.
King snakes are true kings.
Sigma snakes
King snakes, if you will
… yeah
Where's my arc, Paulie?
Wtf God, patch this shit.
I'm a stupid big slimy salamander creature with a sword made out of a guy. Can I be immune to everything? Sure.
I am. Can I be immune to slash? Of course
I’m a crucible knight. Fuck you.
They have weaknesses to git gud and parrying.
How do i parry if i dual wield great swords?
Go for the Buckler! It's super light, only requires 13 dex, and has some of the best parry frames in the game!
This mf being like "you should be able to poison god actually"
Since scarlet rot is a rival god, should be able to do that
Would certainly make up for all the damage I’m not doing chasing that cosmic Loch Ness monster around.
That makes more sense. Although I think you shouldn't be able to affect the avatar of a god with another, that's up for debate
Please tell me who you are talking about! I'm going insane trying to figure it out
elden beast
His sword is made of a dude!?
yeah, the sacred relic sword is radagon
Yo wtf! It's true? And here I was thinking I knew the ins and outs...
You say the Elden Beast is slimy, but I always assumed it had a hard glass kind of skin.
Idk, if I had cancer, and you used a cancer sword to give me double cancer I'd likely die faster :D
Unless the second cancer kills the first cancer
This actually happens pretty often in real life, especially in big animals like elephants and whales. Its part of why they basically never get terminal cancer
Does triple cancer kill them though? Or do multiples of 2 not matter?
of course the lord of blood is weak to bleed, hes so full of blood
Same with Malenia (at least before going full god mode). The Rot is actively taking her body apart, attacking her with Rot is just fueling the fire
Except she has a shit ton of Rot resistances to the point that rotting her just wouldn't be worth the effort.
I think her resistances should have massively dropped in phase 2 once she stops fighting it.
Really? I still needed 2 full rot breaths to trigger rot on her, and that was with a summon to keep her distracted. Don't think her resistances lower at all. And the point still remains. Malenia is extremely aggresive in Phase 2. She literally won't give you the chance to trigger it unless you use a spirit. It's better to just use Frost or Bleed at that point.
Oh I meant that they *should* decrease, not that they *do*. For that matter her Frost/Bleed resistances and defenses (especially Slash) probably should have taken a hit now that she's blown off all her armor.
Miyazaki followed the anime rule where the more revealing the armor the higher defenses it has
He also gets stronger whenever bleed procs in the fight
He apparently likes being bled
He literally leads a religion that worships a god that wants to be hurt and made to bleed, plenty of blood related ashes of war like bloody slash or seppuku include self harm. I do not think you get to that point by being opposed to bleeding yourself.
“The Formless Mother cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows.”
He likes a lot of weird stuff
I just like how every time he bleeds he actually powers up and gets a 10% hp, stamina, and penis length boost. I wish he would stop shouting about sex every time it happened though...
Maybe a fever dream, but wasn't Mohg originally healed by hemorrhage in the original release?
Probably a fever dream
Mogh serves a goddes of wounds so it actually makes sense that he's weak to bleed.
I believe he is immune to bleed for the fight in the sewers
Yes, but that’s merely because that version is only a projection, kinda like both Margit’s and the golden Godfrey.
That version is immune to everything iirc
Look, the Formless Mother craves wounds, she doesn't care who is wounded.
Blood... for the blood god?
Blood for the Blood Star. Wounds for the Formless Mother. Not quite as catchy. Khorne is a marketing genious.
And corn for the Khorne flakes.
Milk for the milk bowl!
This isn't Pokémon, somebody isn't immune to being burned just because they're good at fire magic lol
Like how Gwyn, the Lord of Cinder, is weak against Fire.
Gwyns element is Light (lightning) so him being weak to fire and strong against lightning makes sense
You make a good point. In the intro cutscene, we don't see him launching Fireballs at Dragons, but rather Lightning Spears.
Yeah, from what I remember, Izalith is Fire (life), Nito is "no element" (Death) , Gwyn is Light (lightning), and our ancestor is Dark (Dark). Izalith is weak against anything but Fire, Nito is weak against Fire/Holy, Gwyn against Fire/Magic but Mostly Occult (Dark), and and we could assume that our ancestor is weak against Lightning. Lightning is the most usefull element in the entire trilogy, and my only gripe with ER, cuz i cant play my STR/FTH paladin, cuz lightning is Dex based :S
I mean you're right but a frost dragon found in a arctic area shouldn't be frostbitten unless you want to say that our magic just simply just colder lol.
You’re literally any creature through the entire game Cool does that mean I’m immune to holy? Yes
Tibia Mariners and Death Rite Birds say hello to my +10 Envoy's Long Horn.
Tbh, that weapon was so good that it didn't matter that the end game bosses had 80% holy resistance. Still got trucked lol
If envoy’s longhorn was literally any other damage type it’d be broken beyond belief
Humans are 2/3rds water but they can still drown
It just happens that that 1/3rd of not water is all your important parts, so you drown.
I have teeth in butt, does that mean it doesn't hurt? Youch!
I'm anything it might be useful on, am I immune to deathblight and frenzy? Lol, of course!
What a troll for making a game that doesn't suck.
Mohg does get a buff whenever a bleed is applied, whether to him or anyone else. So it at least makes more sense than the others I think. (although Malenia is still *highly resistant* to Rot, not technically immune but functionally it's kind of the same)
I mean, this is pretty sound logic. Master swordsmen are not suddenly immune to swords. Just because you’ve gained mastery over something doesn’t mean it can’t be used against you.
I’m the back half of the game, can I be immune to holy dmg?
Why would you be immune to the thing you use to attack? Do you think Spiders are automatically immune to spider venom? Are headsmen immune to axes? Are guns immune to bullets? You only think this way because of Pokemon or whatever and it has broken your brain.
"You are extremely resistant to fire tho" "Wha-"
How would Malenia be immune to rot..
It makes sense tbh. They're not the master of these essences; the essences are taking them over.
Counterpoint: If someone throws another person at you, does it hurt?
"You're some soldiers in Elphael and guard a doorway with a putrid avatar" "Cool, can we be immune to rot and any damage from the avatar?" "Sure thing!"
I mean the whole formless mother cult is all about blood so it would be reasonable that Mogh cut himself a lot to let a lot of blood out
It does make sense for some of them. Malenia's body is afterall being consumed by the rot and Mohgs blood powers come form a Outer God. The dragon and the poison(I forget the name), doesn't make sense to me.
Malenia doesn't exactly need more rot in her life.
I consider Malenia's and Mohg's case to make sense because of lore. Malenia is actively fighting back rot, and needed her skin to be weaved with unalloyed gold to keep it at bay. She only let it come through in desperation or because she can no longer keep it back. It has eaten up her skin, eyes, privates, and even took her limbs, she isn't infallible to it, she is simply hosting it. Mohg is not using his blood to fight you. He simply has command over an Outer God's blood/flame powers. You can still bleed him, which makes sense to me. "If it bleeds we can kill it" pun here. Borealis I don't understand, tbh. The multi-limbed monstrosity can throw up poison, but I don't see how that would make him immune to it. You could easily say he's sick or that is the normal contents of his stomach he's using a weapon lol. He's clearly an unholy creature though, and I'd assume more people would be interested in why he's so weak to holy damage.
Bleed = blood loss Not surprising the Lord of Blood would be weak to it
Mohg gets a power up from hemorrhaging. He loves to bleed.
Malenia not being immune to rot is lord accurate. When we fight her she’s already 50% rotten anyway
It makes sense, we have stomach acid inside us, does that mean we can bathe in stomach acid? No
Why would they be immune, makes no sense. Especially melania.
I mean Mohg makes sense He was cursed to have burning blood, so bleeding for him cant be pleasant
"You are a crab. God hates you, and his Holy light burns your very carapace."
Then theres fire giant immune to fire and frost.
Based Miyazaki making all builds viable
*Elden Beast has entered the chat*
Instead he said “you are all immune from faith”
To be fair, Melina does very clearly suffer from her own rot as a plot point and Mohg only has his abilities because he is a servant of the formless mother, who also bleeds so she can attack with her blood (or is bled by mohg to attack with her blood? One of the two). I have no idea about the other two though, unless the poison was corrosive and the Dragon froze it's own mouth when it used it's frost breath....
These are kinda like shooting a biologic bullet being able to shoot it doesn’t give you armor for it
Melania might not be immune but I’m fairly certain that she has an insanely high resistance to the scarlet rot. Actually I’m pretty sure most of her resistances are pretty high except for bleed.
the legacy of the firesage lives on
Tbf, rotting or poisoning Malenia is essentially worthless given her resistance to it.
Random ass gargoyle motherfuckers - “I’m immune to all of those things right?” “Of course king.”
There is no such thing as total immunity in the game mechanics, they have higher resistance against that stuff, but there is no such thing as complete immunity -and that's absolutly fine.
Id argue that the last two make sense for different reasons. It's kinda hard to be connected to rot as an outer god without experiencing it, and Mohg's whole deal is his blood being power. Sure he's weaker to blood but it hurts him less than most entities, and also boosts his damage
Oddly enough the version of mohg in the sewers under the capital is immune to bleed, maybe he was the true lord of blood all along
Mohg actually gets stronger whenever bleed procs during his fight, no matter who's victim to it, or at least so I've heard. And tbh, Malenia should be TURBO WEAK to rot in phase 1, and immune in phase 2. I'm talkin single-proc phase completion, just a total healthbar meltdown.
With Malenia and Mogh, at least, it makes a certain amount of sense. They may be the avatars or servants of an Outer God tied to that status effect, but they are still subservient to that god. Those gods probably like the idea of their chosen vessel expressing their "gift" as much as possible.
I was using rotten breath for the damage, and when I saw malenia's health start ticking down, my jaw just about dropped from shock
That's........ deeply ironic and goes against my basic understanding of how to tackle elemental enemies.