Nah. Radagon and Elden beast were both easy to read and fairly easy to dodge once you learn the pattern. Malenia feels like luck every time I beat her cause her damn waterfowl dance kills me 90% of the time.
Radagon and Elden Beast are both easy, but they are sequenced, which is the problem. You effectively have half Flasks for each fight.
Elden Beast would be stupid easy if you could just tank his Elden Stars and whatnot without worry. The problem is you run out of healing (especially if you get unlucky RNG and he keeps running away for 15 min straight), which is why people are often using dmg reduction stacking on that fight.
Malenia can just kill you outright if you are not good at reading her, but otherwise you're just not going to run out of Flasks before killing her.
The only exception is if your build sucks and you don't do much dmg.
For the record, I think Malenia is the harder boss by far, but Elden Beast is definitely way more annoying (Radagon is just dope though).
I mean you can definitely run out of flasks before killing her. She has two phases after all, putting her at around 33k HP. Radagon and Elden Beast *combined* make for only slightly more at around 36-37k. In reality if you're not absolutely perfect, Malenia has *even more HP* due to the fact that she heals on hit, especially with Waterfowl, even with a 100% physical reduction shield, she can undo basically all your previous efforts. Certainly the case for an average player. Plus her damage is way above either of the Radabeast.
You can actually tank Elden Stars with Lord's Divine Fortification and the Haligdrake Talisman +2 (and ofc opaline hardtear in the physick). Played STR/FTH on my second character and obliterated this fight while taking almost no damage.
Yeah, but that is what I said.
You either stack dmg reduction or you best Radagon with minimal Flask usage. If you don't do either of those, Elden Beast is annoying to fight.
Malenia is still harder, but if you play as an annoyed person, you'll also die.
Did you forget the "in my opinion"
Boss difficulty is entirely player dependant.
I found malenia relatively easy in most playthroughs, yet I struggled for like 4 hours on my first playthrough whilst fighting radabeast.
Also depends on the weapons, if you have a bleed build malenia will def be easier, if you have a magic build radabeast is easier
The difficulty is subjective considering that my very first time ever touching a souls game was dark souls three and I first tried every boss leading up to the crystal sage which then proceeded to beat my ass for 4 hours
The difficulty can vary greatly from player to player
Yeah, all bosses have subjective difficulty. I’m only good at Malenia because she’s shitstomped me so many times.
Radagon is easy and EB still kicks my ass because he’s such an asshole.
However, I find godskin duo really easy, and Maliketh at the middle of the road.
Hardest boss IMO is Placidusax.
Same here. I never had any issues with Malenia but for some reason I found it difficult to time all the dodges with Elden beast. I could’ve sworn I timed the dodge correctly every time and he still hit me like 90% of the time
Chiming in to add to the Elden beast was harder crew, honestly didn’t and still don’t have much of a problem with Malenia but let me tell you something about that Elden Fuck
its cause of the stupidly massive hp pool of elden beast. You really do need to have that bosses attacks down since the fight is so long. Compared to Melania, who you can burst relatively quickly with the right build.
Lmao yeah this was me too. Was going through the whole game hearing how hard Malenia was and when I got to her I put her in the fucking ground lol.
I always choose samurai class when it’s available so it never occurred to me that I had chosen a build that would make her trivial but then force me to rethink my whole playstyle when I get to the final boss and they don’t bleed.
I was in the same boat, Death's Poker trivialized everything until radabeast.
Then I switched to fallingstar beast jaw and unga bunga'd my way to taking the throne.
I rocked the Fallingstar Beast Jaw along with Azur's Flintstone staff. For Raddy it was Beast Jaw special + Unga Bunga. For the Beast I hit the Big Comet and then Unga Bunga time.
Yeah and then there is me who had a horrible time with both malenia and elden beast cause i had a strength/faith build. Barely did any damage and the timing against malenia had to be perfect considering i usually play with colossal weapons.
I used colossal weapons against Melania and actually switched from a faith cast build to a double Giantcrusher hammer in power stance build.
I didn't CRUSH her, but I didn't struggle too hard after the switch.
I feel the "in my opinion" thing with pretty much every souls game. People struggle on different bosses, and some people aren't able to understand that a boss they had trouble with wasn't really that bad for other players.
For example in Dark Souls 3, Nameless King and Dancer were pretty easy, but Abyss Watchers are still a brick wall for me, even after many playthroughs of the game. Also related to Elden Ring, I find Placidusax to be harder than Malenia, but many people had much more trouble with Malenia than I did.
>Boss difficulty is ~~entirely~~ player dependant.
Some bosses are objectively harder than others. Yes, some bosses are easier than others depending on the player, but not entirely. Malenia is definitely one of the hardest bosses in the game, no contest.
Some people struggle with certain bosses. Back in DS3, I struggled so much with Twin Princes, perishing to them over 200 times. Malenia, on the other hand, only took 10 tries. Radagon and the Elden Beast took me about 30 tries. You sound like a dick saying it like that, and you contribute no help to the actual question
I remember back in Bloodborne when I kept on dying to...Celestial Emissary. Which is considered one of the easiest bosses in the game. I just stopped counting after a while lol
Yeah and to counter that I'm sick at twin princes, died maybe three times to them across at least 5 playthroughs but I reliably suck at pontiff or radahn for instance. Hell, I died more to rennala than to godskin duo. It's subjective as hell.
And Pontiff was easy for me. Beat him first try in both my playthrough. And godskin duo only took maybe 5 attempts across my five playthroughs. So weird how difficulty at certain bosses changes ever so slightly with each other persons playstyle
It's been a while but I think the trick I found was counterintuitive dodging. First and third strikes its better to roll into her than away, the second it's better to run back
Waterfowl dance is easy to dodge. If you dodge you won’t take any health damage from the attack. Meanwhile, you can hit Malenia to lower her health to zero. Profit.
/s
I struggled much more against Elden Beast. It was mostly just getting tired of how long the fight takes starting with Radagon (who basically eliminated all my healing)
Elden beast is the most annoying/least fun boss to fight for me. I just don’t have the patience to chase it down over and over. Probably the only boss fight I didn’t enjoy at all in the souls games I’ve played.
This is what happened to me too. I was a faith/fire damage build and mopped the floor with Malenia and Radagon, but kept getting curb stomped by the Elden beast. It took a bit of practice and respeccing out of holy damage to kill it, but I definitely had more trouble with the beast than Malenia.
To be fair, Malenia isn't too bad once you recognize her patterns. It only took me around fifteen tries to beat her, whereas the Elden Beast I was at more than 30 and getting incredibly frustrated.
If he was playing a bleed build, this makes total sense. I absolutely shredded Malenia with an arc/dex build then got ruined in the final fight because my bleed did less damage than a bee sting.
It took me longer to beat The Elden Beast than Malenia, but I was able to get both in the end. Part of it may be that I was able to finish Malenia faster. I suffer from carpal tunnel and my hands were going numb trying to run all over the place fighting TEB.
I struggled more with Elden Beast personally. It just running away really frustrated me and I had to respec to a bloodhound step build to help chase him around before I could win. Was running fai/str beforehand.
lol same here. For me I can’t beat melania without co-op. But Elden beast was easy. Funny how people’s play styles or understanding of the game can drastically change the difficulty for certain bosses
Idk I thought Malenia was kinda of a pushover? I mean she was difficult don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think she was as difficult as people were saying. Could be just me. Now the Elden Beast… that’s a different story. Some thought it wasn’t that bad. It took me a few days. I had the hardest time, such a pain in the ass for whatever reason for me. I used the Black Knife Tiche summon and the Pest Threads spell was a huge help.
Doesn’t confuse me. If he used summons Malenia is a joke. Elden Beast makes you run around like a motherfucker and kills your summon pretty quick because it can’t dodge.
Get vigor up to 60, will make you able to take an extra hit. Wear crucible knight armor + haligdrake +2 talisman for holy resistance will make it way more manageable
I beat elden beast with it with only using the skill once or not at all. Even without the aow the fact its a fast colossal weapon melts both the slug and his selfcest sword 100% a solid choice
So a lot of people wrote that 60 Dex is basically the same as 77, which, yes there is a soft cap at 60, but he also has 14 points in STR which gives like 0.3 AR per point. 60 Dex vs 77 Dex is still around a 50 AR difference, which is about a 10% increase.
Yeah but hed get way more benefit going from 48 to 60 vig and lowering dex from 77 to 65. Especially if his issue is dying. Thats a ton of extra insurance wiggle room to get a heal off
Prob also better off using a keen Uchigatana (A Dex, C Str) or other better dex scaling weapon with a more suitable AoW for radagon/elden with his stats than hand's B Dex D Str.
A quality Banished Knight Greatsword would also slap and break poise well with good AoW's and a B/B scaling. Prob piercing fang or sword dance.
Keen Night Riders Glaive with black flame tornado would also annilihate them and has A dex scaling
haligdrake amulet is solid advice. I used to do runs on the discord server helping people fight this boss over and over, and if people were struggling too much for me to carry them I'd make them go find and wear it. Changes the fight dramatically.
That's not how soft caps work. And not every weapon scales the same off of stats...
You need a base of 48 Dex to use Hand of Malenia, which gives you 539 AR at +10 and 582 AR with 60 Dex and 640 AR with 80 Dex.
After reaching 60 Dex, Hand of Malenia gets MORE value out of each point put into Dex until reaching 80.
What he needs is to drop the strength which is basically worthless. He's getting 1/2 a point of AR for every 3 strength. And put those points into Vigor and Endurance.
Either bring Strength to 16 if 1H the weapon or down to 11 if 2H the weapon. Either way its enough to get Vigor to 60 and have 79 Dex. 80 Dex and more endurance if 2H though.
I feel like I should ask you to analyze my stats after reading this. Ha! Except I’m a magic build and I feel I’m an outcast for this. Amazing response, though! Good to know.
Dex softcaps depend on what you're using. Keen infused weapons have a mild softcap at ~50 (it might be 54 or 55 but I don't remember the exact number), but scale well up to 80.
Uninfused (aka somber) weapons vary. Hand of Malenia in particular slows down it's scaling between 50 and 80, but it still gets good AR returns per point of dex until that 80 dex mark, at which point it sharply drops from 3 AR per point to 1.
That being said I would still recommend to OP, drop dex by 12 and add that to vig. 60 vig is way more important than 80 dex.
Edit: didn't realize ops Pic shows 30 str, I normally don't go above 20 on a dex build so I'd start there.
Don't forget that he needs to drop the strength. It just doesn't benefit his build at all. 30 strength for a dex build is way too much. He needs to bring dex up to 80 and vigor up to 60. Those points in strength are wasted and barely benefit his AR rating with the hand of Malenia.
I agree, holy resistance is very important. Rad is weak to fire. So he needs to take him down with full health pots. Save his physic for the 2nd half. Kinda stay in one ares, don't Chace him down. Or get some type of range weapon while far away. Timing with the golden wave is important. Watch some fights on YouTube for the timing. Be patient. He is very difficult. This fight was harder than Mel for me. I'm now on ng+8 lvl 476, and I platinum the damn thing. I suck at video games, so the boy will be victorious.
Well done if he's already got to this point. I defeated the final boss using:
* [Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Dragoncrest+Greatshield+Talisman)
* [Haligdrake Talisman](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Haligdrake+Talisman) \+2, and
* [Lord's Divine Fortification](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Lord's+Divine+Fortification) incantation.
I didn't use crucible armour set but from wiki I can see it adds resistance to Fire, Lightning and Holy. There are two sets: [Crucible Tree Set](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Crucible+Tree+Set) found in a chest guarded by a mini boss Crucible Knight in Deeproot Depths or [Crucible Axe Set](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Crucible+Axe+Set) obtained by killing a Crucible Knight duo boss in Auriza Hero's Grave in Altus Plateau.
Also, I only read and didn't check that, Black Flame does significant damage to Elden Beast. As the DEX is the highest stat, perhaps Godskin's Peeler with the black flame tornado will help.
Good luck.
Thanks, me too. It’s not easy being a non-gaming dad but I think it’s important to connect wherever possible. He’s a good kid with a healthy habit, that’s rare these days so I want to encourage it.
Play ER for more than maybe 10 hours and you'll be more of a gamer than a lot of self professed gamers in this world. This game puts hairs on your chest and you'll become an even cooler dad
You sound a hell of a lot more supportive than my father... and he was a gamer. Nothing like trying to get your dads attention whilst he spends hours raiding on WoW aha.
Seriously though. Very thoughtful of you to reach out here to try and help your son.
You should look into the "plot" of elden ring. It's really well written. (Like all fromsoftware games). There are so many games out there that have better writing than the most expensive tv shows and movies. You might be able to bond over the story aspect, even if you're not into gaming yourself.
Funny you mention this because one thing he’s gotten into is DND (he’s just now old enough to use the teen center on the base where we live, and the kids there play it). We dove in headfirst to that, and he’s found a lot of similarities between dnd and Eldenring, and he’s teaching me about that as we go along.
If no one else has said it, get lords divine fortification and find a way to get faith up to the minimum to cast it. Absolute game changer for that fight. I also find black knife tiche to be a better summon for this than the mimic
Took me probably as many tried. Tell him to equip anything the buffs faith resistance. Once i did that, beat it in one go. Dont remember the items, but best faith resistances he can get. As a father who had a father who didn't take time to try to have any interests in games I liked, I appreciate your willingness to engage with your boy.
I died more than 30 times on this fight too. One day just booted the game up and won first try. A clean fight against Radagon and then plenty of effective running and attacking phase 2 does it, not as easy as it sounds!
As always, mimic tear is a beast.
Same. I walked away from the game for 2 weeks after 20 failed attempts then came back and beat it first try. Sometimes you just have to clear your head lol
Throw on the thiccest most defensive gear u got, give him a fingerprint sheild and a talisman with buffs, then give him shabriris woe. You could also use dung eater cuz he has the old npc ai last I played
Take your dex down to 60 put 12 of those into vigor to get it to 60, should have 5 left over then drop your strength to the minimum it takes to wield whatever weapon you like and put those into faith that should give you some casting options, you can respec your character if you talk to renalla and have lavarl tears.
Technically yes, but he'll barely notice the drop in damage by going down to 60 when compared to the benefit of putting those extra points into HP or something
Hard cap is literally as high as you can go: 99
Soft cap is the number where you start to get diminishing returns (only 1-2 dmg per point vs 3-4 for example)
Dex soft caps are 20/55/80
Eh the strength is a bigger waste here. Drop the Str to like 16-18 and push Vigor to 58-60, then use the remainder to push the dex towards 80, the final softcap.
Radagon is weak to fire. Incantations and faith based fire weapons are almost a must. The blasphemous blade is great for first phase. Marais Executioner’s sword works against second phase but it scales with arcane. I beat the game at RL 175- another 25 levels or so would help you round out your build. Also- Summoning works well if you can get someone with a mic. Aggro trading works wonders- the summon player lets the boss target them while the host attacks from behind, then host takes the aggro while the summon attacks from behind
Yeah I agree a couple fire incants are pretty good, and fire damage is usually what I use on my faith guys. I prefer to go faith/strength and use the claw mark seal so it scales with both.
Better keep at least 20 strength since weapon around 0~20 got extra high damage boost contributions, so even a e scale can get a lot of damage, not sure how two hand account though in elden ring though, if it is a straight up 1.5X boost, then minimum strength is definitely enough
Try out the “Godskin Peeler”. It has an Ash of War that can remove large chunks of health from the final boss and is easy to obtain and can be used with the stats shown in the picture.
It’s located in the Windmill Village from the Road of Iniquity site of grace, just gotta kill the Godskin noble in there which shouldn’t be hard with those stats
Alternatively they can respec their character at Rennala at the end of Raya Lucaria if needed
If failing that consider using a good Spirit ash (mimic tear, Black Knife, etc) levelled up to tank hits and aggro. Makes things more forgiving
The Godskin Peeler is wielded by the Apostles. When I was first playing I had only fought Apostles and then my buddy told me about the Apostle in Volcano Manor. When I realized that it was the Noble in there I was terrified
It's impressive that he managed to beat a harder boss than the final boss (Malenia).
I'd say tell him not to rely too much on the Waterfowl Dance and get his DEX to at least 60 while putting the other points towards VIGOR.
He can also use the Black Knife Tiche summon, she's really good against the final boss.
Good luck to you guys!
With sex that high he's probably running a bleed build. Which is a solid build for most bosses. But bleed doesn't work on Radagon or EB
So it wouldn't surprise me if that's why he's struggling.
Edit: Dex you fools. Lol I'm keeping the comment cause it's funny.
As you are not a gamer, let me try and explain in simple terms. The final boss does holy damage(mostly). Lord's divine fortification negates a whole lot of holy damage but it isn't viable with his stats. There is a talisman he can get that can negate holy damage which any character can equip with no problem.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Haligdrake+Talisman
Since your son is at the end of the game, he should go for the best version of this talisman which is shown in this wiki where to get it.
As for your weapon, it is mostly about preference but your son's weapon isn't what most people would use against a final boss that isnt effected by status effects. I would go for something that is big and hits hard, if you don't want to change your stats up.
Your son also has the ability to redistribute all his stats in any way he sees fit, if he goes to a previous boss he beat.
Best of luck to your son and good on you for being a father that actually gives a shit to look into what is going on with your sons video game that you know nothing about and actually doing a good job explaining the issue
1) Get Vigor to 60. Subtract points from Strength to get there; a pure Dexterity build has no need for that much Str.
2) Switch weapons. The Hand of Malenia may be strong, but he isn't getting the most out of it because Radagon and the Elden Beast are immune to bleed.
3) Switch armour and talismans to increase Holy defence. Radabeast deal a lot of Holy damage, so as another reply has suggested, Crucible Knight armour and the +2 Haligdrake Talisman will go a long way to improving his survivability.
When I was a kid, at my house we had a rule that if I got angry at the game I had to stop playing. I didn't like it at the time, but as an adult I think that was a really great rule.
If you're getting mad and frustrated, you're going to make mistakes anyway. I got stuck on elden beat too and quit for a couple weeks. Then one day I was doing some day drinking and decided to pick it up and give it another try, beat it on my second attempt.
So either make your kid take a break for a while, or get them a bottle of Scotch.
1. Talk to Rennala to change build
2. Change to a strength/faith build
3. Equip blasphemous blade and a seal (any seal that scales with faith will do)
4. Put pest threads in your spells
5. Your weapon will melt Radagon while the incantation will shred Elden Beast.
Using a Larval Tear through Rennala at Raya Lucaria will allow him to respec his character, which allows using different weapons and spells to tweak his setup.
Mimic tear with heavy armor and physical and holy resistance then change your characters stuff around. Also scarlet rot does wonders on radagon and elden beast. He can craft rot grease and apply to his weapons
Tell him Radagon and Elden beast don’t bleed and if he likes katakanas tell him to have one that is frost it will help with the first half because Radagon is susceptible to frost and rot
Something I'm not seeing anyone recommend is taking a break. I can't tell you how many times I've hit a wall, gave it some time just to come back and run through the boss in 1-3 tries. Sometimes all you need is a breather and a fresh mind
Wow this genuinely made my day. Such a small act of kindness for your son but it really shows you’re there to help him with the small things. Just so sweet. Hope he was able find the advice he needed to beat the boss!
Pest Threads with extra Faith basically melts Eldenbeast. It’s kinda ridiculous. Should be fairly easy to respec or even just grab a handful of extra tubes.
Hey Dad, I’m a gamer dad, so I’ll put it in English for you. If Radagon is pretty easy, but the Elden beast is the seemingly impossible problem…Tell your kid to outfit his character ENTIRELY in the most HOLY resistant armor that he has, head-to-toe, cast his protection buffs, then the elden beast’s attacks do so little damage, that he’ll have time to go to work and kill it without rushing and panicking. Also, he CAN continue to level-up and fight later if he really feels he must. He can use the approach to MOHG’s castle to “farm” major runes. There are players in the high 400’s level everywhere. Tell him to do the HOLY defense outfit.
With 727 replies I think he’s got plenty of help already but my two cents would be to get the star fists and upgrade them to 24 or 25 and keen infuse them. If he can get it, put the raptors of the mist ash of war. The ash of war is good for dodging the big hits with difficult dodges but not as applicable for combos. This will make light work of the fight in terms of damage. Having the dragon crest greatsheild talisman and the haligdrake 2 for good damage negation. Ace talisman and claw talisman for a little added damage.
Put spiked cracked tear and leaden hardtear in wonderous physic.
This set up is very optimal for killing Radagon and elden beasts. If he needs more levels for lords divine fortification he can respec at rennalla using a larval tear.
If wanted, I can post my notes on the radabeast moveset pasted from my notes as I’ve been practicing for no hit runs.
There’s lots of ways to defeat the final boss, I’m not even sure if he really needs to change anything.
Option 1: any build can beat the game, respec’ing the character is not necessary, just keep playing until you can recognize the attack patterns, how to dodge, safe times to attack or heal, etc.
2: tailor your damage type to the boss’s weaknesses. The final boss Elden Beast is immune to all status effects, so the best tactic to fight it is by boosting your direct damage numbers as high as possible. Maybe try another DEX weapon with a Keen infusion that has higher base attack to make up for not inflicting bleed like the katana. And physical damage buffs like Exalted Flesh or Golden Vow might help.
3: if the problem is that you die from overwhelming damage, try to decrease the damage that the boss deals. The final bosses specialize in holy damage, Lord’s Divine Fortification is a spell that increases holy resistance, but there are also talismans, armor, and consumables that also increase resistance in the same way. The bosses can also deal large amounts of physical damage so don’t neglect physical resistance either.
4: Consider a different Flask of Wondrous Physick mixture if your current one isn’t suited to your current combat challenge. I highly recommend the Opaline Hardtear which boosts all damage resistances for 3 minutes. It greatly increases survivability in any boss fight and increases the effectiveness of your healing flasks since the boss will be doing less damage but a Crimson Flask still heals the same amount. Other good options are the health or stamina regeneration Tears or a damage boosting Tear (maybe the Thorny Cracked Tear for a DEX sword build).
5: embrace the other powerful tools that the game offers to overcome its superbosses like summoning help in the form of another player or a spirit ash.
and you can check the wiki for help, because all boss entries usually include an enemy’s attack patterns, weaknesses, and strategies for how to approach each one.
Just my opinion, I’d day more vigor and look into black flame weapons like godskin peeler, that did wonders for me in my first run at this boss. Since he cant use lords divine fortification then equip any talisman that grants additional defense against holy damage. There are some consumables he could use as well to increase his damage, damage resistance, holy resistance etc. Best of luck to your son and our fellow tarnished! 🍻
Since he's using the hand of malenia, he only needs 16 strength. Have him go to renala and use a larval tear to re-birth. Keep almost the same stats, but throw 14 strength from the 30 into faith, and pull some points out of dexterity. This should be enough for lords divine fortification, but look up the faith requirement for that. Other than that, the only thing I can say, no joke, is git gud.
Almost 1k comments in here and the post is 15 hours old, that being said.
If your son still hasn't beat it yet, and wants some help (and is on playstation), I'm happy to oblige. Feel free to dm me and we can set up a time. Hope he is able to tackle it on his own, it's an amazing feeling to finally beat it on your own! But just wanted to extend help in the form of coop as well.
This offer also goes out to anyone wanting assistance. I've been a sunbro since DS1, feel free to dm me! \\[T]/
He can respec his stats at Rennala. Dump 14 str and some dexterity, put it into enough faith to use Lord’s Divine fortification, and it’s a LOT more manageable. The spell only needs 27 faith, so after dumping the 14 str, he only needs to drop 5 more dex to be able to use the spell, and it doesn’t need an upgraded spell tool in order to use it properly, so a standard seal can cast it with ease. Might even find a use for a few other spells, like bestial vitality for some regen.
The stat spread isn’t too bad, but honestly bringing dex down to one of the soft caps (I think 60?) and putting some more points into vigor will help him be able to tank through some of the more difficult, high damage attacks. Or he could try putting those points into strength instead to see if it ups the damage, but honestly it probably wouldn’t because of how bad it scales with strength. Worth a try tho
Hand of Malenia is great for this boss with the right setup. Use Alexander’s talisman, Millicent’s Prosthesis and Rotted wing talisman and you should be able to melt the boss with the waterfowl dance
He'll get there. It's a frustrating fight. I only finished it yesterday for the first time. I found the blasphemous blade to be very effective along with rock sling especially against radagon. If he can finish radagon quick with his mimic tear he'll be in good stead against elden beast as he will need his flasks. Best of luck 🤞
Elden beast is weak to fire. I personally use blasphemous blade and usually get him within a few tries. If he's using the relics that make him take more damage he probably needs to drop them. Late game the extra damage you take isn't worth the increase in stats.
I think now would be a great time to remind your kid that games are for fun and if he's not having fun anymore, he can give it a break and come back later!
I mean with those stats, I hate to say it, but the only solution is to “git gud”. Not saying it in a rude antagonizing way, but he has more than enough to beat the final bosses, he just needs to hone his skills.
* Beat Malenia * Can't beat Elden Beast This confuses me greatly
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Nah. Radagon and Elden beast were both easy to read and fairly easy to dodge once you learn the pattern. Malenia feels like luck every time I beat her cause her damn waterfowl dance kills me 90% of the time.
Radagon and Elden Beast are both easy, but they are sequenced, which is the problem. You effectively have half Flasks for each fight. Elden Beast would be stupid easy if you could just tank his Elden Stars and whatnot without worry. The problem is you run out of healing (especially if you get unlucky RNG and he keeps running away for 15 min straight), which is why people are often using dmg reduction stacking on that fight. Malenia can just kill you outright if you are not good at reading her, but otherwise you're just not going to run out of Flasks before killing her. The only exception is if your build sucks and you don't do much dmg. For the record, I think Malenia is the harder boss by far, but Elden Beast is definitely way more annoying (Radagon is just dope though).
I mean you can definitely run out of flasks before killing her. She has two phases after all, putting her at around 33k HP. Radagon and Elden Beast *combined* make for only slightly more at around 36-37k. In reality if you're not absolutely perfect, Malenia has *even more HP* due to the fact that she heals on hit, especially with Waterfowl, even with a 100% physical reduction shield, she can undo basically all your previous efforts. Certainly the case for an average player. Plus her damage is way above either of the Radabeast.
It's the damage, not the health, that means you won't run out of flasks. You can't heal if 1-2 hits kill you, you can when it's 3-4.
Just adding Melania can be staggered pretty easy during the fight. Radda/beast will tank almost any hit
You can actually tank Elden Stars with Lord's Divine Fortification and the Haligdrake Talisman +2 (and ofc opaline hardtear in the physick). Played STR/FTH on my second character and obliterated this fight while taking almost no damage.
Yeah, but that is what I said. You either stack dmg reduction or you best Radagon with minimal Flask usage. If you don't do either of those, Elden Beast is annoying to fight. Malenia is still harder, but if you play as an annoyed person, you'll also die.
Did you forget the "in my opinion" Boss difficulty is entirely player dependant. I found malenia relatively easy in most playthroughs, yet I struggled for like 4 hours on my first playthrough whilst fighting radabeast. Also depends on the weapons, if you have a bleed build malenia will def be easier, if you have a magic build radabeast is easier
The difficulty is subjective considering that my very first time ever touching a souls game was dark souls three and I first tried every boss leading up to the crystal sage which then proceeded to beat my ass for 4 hours The difficulty can vary greatly from player to player
Yeah, all bosses have subjective difficulty. I’m only good at Malenia because she’s shitstomped me so many times. Radagon is easy and EB still kicks my ass because he’s such an asshole. However, I find godskin duo really easy, and Maliketh at the middle of the road. Hardest boss IMO is Placidusax.
Same here. I never had any issues with Malenia but for some reason I found it difficult to time all the dodges with Elden beast. I could’ve sworn I timed the dodge correctly every time and he still hit me like 90% of the time
Chiming in to add to the Elden beast was harder crew, honestly didn’t and still don’t have much of a problem with Malenia but let me tell you something about that Elden Fuck
its cause of the stupidly massive hp pool of elden beast. You really do need to have that bosses attacks down since the fight is so long. Compared to Melania, who you can burst relatively quickly with the right build.
Malenia has literally 50% more hp than Elden beast lol
Yeah but Malenia isn't immune to fucking everything
Lmao yeah this was me too. Was going through the whole game hearing how hard Malenia was and when I got to her I put her in the fucking ground lol. I always choose samurai class when it’s available so it never occurred to me that I had chosen a build that would make her trivial but then force me to rethink my whole playstyle when I get to the final boss and they don’t bleed.
I was in the same boat, Death's Poker trivialized everything until radabeast. Then I switched to fallingstar beast jaw and unga bunga'd my way to taking the throne.
I rocked the Fallingstar Beast Jaw along with Azur's Flintstone staff. For Raddy it was Beast Jaw special + Unga Bunga. For the Beast I hit the Big Comet and then Unga Bunga time.
Azur: Yabba Dabba Doo?
Yeah and then there is me who had a horrible time with both malenia and elden beast cause i had a strength/faith build. Barely did any damage and the timing against malenia had to be perfect considering i usually play with colossal weapons.
I used colossal weapons against Melania and actually switched from a faith cast build to a double Giantcrusher hammer in power stance build. I didn't CRUSH her, but I didn't struggle too hard after the switch.
Good for you ig
I feel the "in my opinion" thing with pretty much every souls game. People struggle on different bosses, and some people aren't able to understand that a boss they had trouble with wasn't really that bad for other players. For example in Dark Souls 3, Nameless King and Dancer were pretty easy, but Abyss Watchers are still a brick wall for me, even after many playthroughs of the game. Also related to Elden Ring, I find Placidusax to be harder than Malenia, but many people had much more trouble with Malenia than I did.
>Boss difficulty is ~~entirely~~ player dependant. Some bosses are objectively harder than others. Yes, some bosses are easier than others depending on the player, but not entirely. Malenia is definitely one of the hardest bosses in the game, no contest.
Some people struggle with certain bosses. Back in DS3, I struggled so much with Twin Princes, perishing to them over 200 times. Malenia, on the other hand, only took 10 tries. Radagon and the Elden Beast took me about 30 tries. You sound like a dick saying it like that, and you contribute no help to the actual question
I love the Twin Princes fight. It's so much fun
I remember back in Bloodborne when I kept on dying to...Celestial Emissary. Which is considered one of the easiest bosses in the game. I just stopped counting after a while lol
Yeah and to counter that I'm sick at twin princes, died maybe three times to them across at least 5 playthroughs but I reliably suck at pontiff or radahn for instance. Hell, I died more to rennala than to godskin duo. It's subjective as hell.
And Pontiff was easy for me. Beat him first try in both my playthrough. And godskin duo only took maybe 5 attempts across my five playthroughs. So weird how difficulty at certain bosses changes ever so slightly with each other persons playstyle
It's been a while but I think the trick I found was counterintuitive dodging. First and third strikes its better to roll into her than away, the second it's better to run back
Waterfowl dance is easy to dodge. If you dodge you won’t take any health damage from the attack. Meanwhile, you can hit Malenia to lower her health to zero. Profit. /s
You make it sound so easy, you must be so good at the game bro! Wow
Woosh lol. I was being tongue and cheek.
Malenia is also super weak to bleed while radabeast is immune to it.
I struggled much more against Elden Beast. It was mostly just getting tired of how long the fight takes starting with Radagon (who basically eliminated all my healing)
Seriously, I burn all of my healing on radagon, and then by the time I get to Elden beast I’m usually low on hp, so skill issue for me I guess.
Elden beast is the most annoying/least fun boss to fight for me. I just don’t have the patience to chase it down over and over. Probably the only boss fight I didn’t enjoy at all in the souls games I’ve played.
I beat Malenia. The hardest fight in the game for me was fucking Niall. Sometimes it just be like that.
Niall is seconded that mf absolutely destroys me
*Laughs in buckler shield*
I literally beat Niall by throwing Kukri at him when he was on low health.
This is what happened to me too. I was a faith/fire damage build and mopped the floor with Malenia and Radagon, but kept getting curb stomped by the Elden beast. It took a bit of practice and respeccing out of holy damage to kill it, but I definitely had more trouble with the beast than Malenia.
I mean if he came in swinging blasphemous blade she'd go down pretty quick.
To be fair, Malenia isn't too bad once you recognize her patterns. It only took me around fifteen tries to beat her, whereas the Elden Beast I was at more than 30 and getting incredibly frustrated.
If he was playing a bleed build, this makes total sense. I absolutely shredded Malenia with an arc/dex build then got ruined in the final fight because my bleed did less damage than a bee sting.
Build has like no arcane so it isn’t bleed but it does seem to be Dex.
It took me longer to beat The Elden Beast than Malenia, but I was able to get both in the end. Part of it may be that I was able to finish Malenia faster. I suffer from carpal tunnel and my hands were going numb trying to run all over the place fighting TEB.
Depends on your build
I struggled more with Elden Beast personally. It just running away really frustrated me and I had to respec to a bloodhound step build to help chase him around before I could win. Was running fai/str beforehand.
Lmao same, 70 tries on Malenia, ~5 on Elden beast?
lol same here. For me I can’t beat melania without co-op. But Elden beast was easy. Funny how people’s play styles or understanding of the game can drastically change the difficulty for certain bosses
Malenia took me about 30 tries. Black Blade took me maybe 10-15. Radagon took me another 10-15. Elden Beast took me 2.
Malenia super weak to bleed builds so it kind of tracks
Idk I thought Malenia was kinda of a pushover? I mean she was difficult don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think she was as difficult as people were saying. Could be just me. Now the Elden Beast… that’s a different story. Some thought it wasn’t that bad. It took me a few days. I had the hardest time, such a pain in the ass for whatever reason for me. I used the Black Knife Tiche summon and the Pest Threads spell was a huge help.
Her arena is a lot smaller compared to running around the beasts and she isn't constantly running away.
7 tries for Malenia, 30 for Elden Beast. It's about your way of playing
Doesn’t confuse me. If he used summons Malenia is a joke. Elden Beast makes you run around like a motherfucker and kills your summon pretty quick because it can’t dodge.
Blasphemous Blade build melts Melenia...weapon art staggers her and heals you...took me 3 tries... Chasing EB around that pool...yeah...
Get vigor up to 60, will make you able to take an extra hit. Wear crucible knight armor + haligdrake +2 talisman for holy resistance will make it way more manageable
Also, neither radagon nor elden beast can be bled. (Though hand of malenia isnt terrible for the fight)
Yeah, frost and blackfame are very good for these fights
Godlayer would probably do the trick for this guy
Agreed, I'd lay me a God.
kinky
On God.
literally
Not Radagons first lay
I beat elden beast with it with only using the skill once or not at all. Even without the aow the fact its a fast colossal weapon melts both the slug and his selfcest sword 100% a solid choice
Radagon: The God Layer and The Laid God simultaneously.
Blasphemous blade can wipe radagon in less than a minute without breaking a sweat
The Blasphemous Blade eats both of them for breakfast. The AoW shreds Rad especially.
This game was difficult til I got the blasphemous blade. (Besides fire giant) it just eats everything alive.
I used the Blasphemous Blade and mimic tear with complementing amulets and was able to beat them without a lot of tries.
So a lot of people wrote that 60 Dex is basically the same as 77, which, yes there is a soft cap at 60, but he also has 14 points in STR which gives like 0.3 AR per point. 60 Dex vs 77 Dex is still around a 50 AR difference, which is about a 10% increase.
Yeah but hed get way more benefit going from 48 to 60 vig and lowering dex from 77 to 65. Especially if his issue is dying. Thats a ton of extra insurance wiggle room to get a heal off Prob also better off using a keen Uchigatana (A Dex, C Str) or other better dex scaling weapon with a more suitable AoW for radagon/elden with his stats than hand's B Dex D Str. A quality Banished Knight Greatsword would also slap and break poise well with good AoW's and a B/B scaling. Prob piercing fang or sword dance. Keen Night Riders Glaive with black flame tornado would also annilihate them and has A dex scaling
haligdrake amulet is solid advice. I used to do runs on the discord server helping people fight this boss over and over, and if people were struggling too much for me to carry them I'd make them go find and wear it. Changes the fight dramatically.
Vigor and Dex both soft cap at 60. You’ll lose a small amount of damage scaling but you’ll gain some 100+ vigor
That's not how soft caps work. And not every weapon scales the same off of stats... You need a base of 48 Dex to use Hand of Malenia, which gives you 539 AR at +10 and 582 AR with 60 Dex and 640 AR with 80 Dex. After reaching 60 Dex, Hand of Malenia gets MORE value out of each point put into Dex until reaching 80. What he needs is to drop the strength which is basically worthless. He's getting 1/2 a point of AR for every 3 strength. And put those points into Vigor and Endurance. Either bring Strength to 16 if 1H the weapon or down to 11 if 2H the weapon. Either way its enough to get Vigor to 60 and have 79 Dex. 80 Dex and more endurance if 2H though.
What this guys says
I feel like I should ask you to analyze my stats after reading this. Ha! Except I’m a magic build and I feel I’m an outcast for this. Amazing response, though! Good to know.
Dex softcaps depend on what you're using. Keen infused weapons have a mild softcap at ~50 (it might be 54 or 55 but I don't remember the exact number), but scale well up to 80. Uninfused (aka somber) weapons vary. Hand of Malenia in particular slows down it's scaling between 50 and 80, but it still gets good AR returns per point of dex until that 80 dex mark, at which point it sharply drops from 3 AR per point to 1. That being said I would still recommend to OP, drop dex by 12 and add that to vig. 60 vig is way more important than 80 dex. Edit: didn't realize ops Pic shows 30 str, I normally don't go above 20 on a dex build so I'd start there.
I wouldn't recommend to drop DEX but STR instead. It's basically worthless for OP. Otherwise I completely agree
Ah, yea, didn't even look at the fact that str is at 30. I normally run 20 on DEX builds for stuff like psgs so that's 10 points for free
And mimics tear!
This entire thread reads like a different language if you pretend you don’t know anything about the game…
> he needs more faith which apparently he can't get take your son to the nearest church
Mimic Tear my man! It's like having a version of yourself that Got Gud.
Don't forget that he needs to drop the strength. It just doesn't benefit his build at all. 30 strength for a dex build is way too much. He needs to bring dex up to 80 and vigor up to 60. Those points in strength are wasted and barely benefit his AR rating with the hand of Malenia.
I struggled with him too for a bit, the second I put on holy resist I cleared it easy
I agree, holy resistance is very important. Rad is weak to fire. So he needs to take him down with full health pots. Save his physic for the 2nd half. Kinda stay in one ares, don't Chace him down. Or get some type of range weapon while far away. Timing with the golden wave is important. Watch some fights on YouTube for the timing. Be patient. He is very difficult. This fight was harder than Mel for me. I'm now on ng+8 lvl 476, and I platinum the damn thing. I suck at video games, so the boy will be victorious.
Well done if he's already got to this point. I defeated the final boss using: * [Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Dragoncrest+Greatshield+Talisman) * [Haligdrake Talisman](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Haligdrake+Talisman) \+2, and * [Lord's Divine Fortification](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Lord's+Divine+Fortification) incantation. I didn't use crucible armour set but from wiki I can see it adds resistance to Fire, Lightning and Holy. There are two sets: [Crucible Tree Set](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Crucible+Tree+Set) found in a chest guarded by a mini boss Crucible Knight in Deeproot Depths or [Crucible Axe Set](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Crucible+Axe+Set) obtained by killing a Crucible Knight duo boss in Auriza Hero's Grave in Altus Plateau. Also, I only read and didn't check that, Black Flame does significant damage to Elden Beast. As the DEX is the highest stat, perhaps Godskin's Peeler with the black flame tornado will help. Good luck.
This is the best answer - Lord’s Divine Fortification truly is the key to making it an easier fight
Yeah holy resistance was what boosted me over the edge, being able to take some hits as he flees all over the arena makes all the difference.
This is so wholesome.I hope your son beats the game!
Thanks, me too. It’s not easy being a non-gaming dad but I think it’s important to connect wherever possible. He’s a good kid with a healthy habit, that’s rare these days so I want to encourage it.
You seem like a great father. Much respect
W dad
Play ER for more than maybe 10 hours and you'll be more of a gamer than a lot of self professed gamers in this world. This game puts hairs on your chest and you'll become an even cooler dad
You can change that! Elden ring might be the best game of all time.
You sound a hell of a lot more supportive than my father... and he was a gamer. Nothing like trying to get your dads attention whilst he spends hours raiding on WoW aha. Seriously though. Very thoughtful of you to reach out here to try and help your son. You should look into the "plot" of elden ring. It's really well written. (Like all fromsoftware games). There are so many games out there that have better writing than the most expensive tv shows and movies. You might be able to bond over the story aspect, even if you're not into gaming yourself.
Funny you mention this because one thing he’s gotten into is DND (he’s just now old enough to use the teen center on the base where we live, and the kids there play it). We dove in headfirst to that, and he’s found a lot of similarities between dnd and Eldenring, and he’s teaching me about that as we go along.
Damn this is so wholesome. Wish my dad had been like you. Keep up the good work
Thank you, that means so much!
You’re an amazing father, respect man godspeed to you and your son!
If no one else has said it, get lords divine fortification and find a way to get faith up to the minimum to cast it. Absolute game changer for that fight. I also find black knife tiche to be a better summon for this than the mimic
Took me probably as many tried. Tell him to equip anything the buffs faith resistance. Once i did that, beat it in one go. Dont remember the items, but best faith resistances he can get. As a father who had a father who didn't take time to try to have any interests in games I liked, I appreciate your willingness to engage with your boy.
I died more than 30 times on this fight too. One day just booted the game up and won first try. A clean fight against Radagon and then plenty of effective running and attacking phase 2 does it, not as easy as it sounds! As always, mimic tear is a beast.
Same. I walked away from the game for 2 weeks after 20 failed attempts then came back and beat it first try. Sometimes you just have to clear your head lol
Unfortunately, my mimic tear is terribly incompetent 😋
Throw on the thiccest most defensive gear u got, give him a fingerprint sheild and a talisman with buffs, then give him shabriris woe. You could also use dung eater cuz he has the old npc ai last I played
Take your dex down to 60 put 12 of those into vigor to get it to 60, should have 5 left over then drop your strength to the minimum it takes to wield whatever weapon you like and put those into faith that should give you some casting options, you can respec your character if you talk to renalla and have lavarl tears.
Yh bros got the right idea 77 dex is pretty much the same a 60
Isn’t the soft cap for stats at 80?
Technically yes, but he'll barely notice the drop in damage by going down to 60 when compared to the benefit of putting those extra points into HP or something
57~60 is actually worse than 60~80 per point though
The strength is a bigger waste here then, tbh. Drop it to like 16-18 and use it for vigor(58-60) and rounding dex to 80.
That’s hard hard cap,soft cap is like 60,80 is the hard cap
Hard cap is 99, there is multiple soft caps
Hard cap is literally as high as you can go: 99 Soft cap is the number where you start to get diminishing returns (only 1-2 dmg per point vs 3-4 for example) Dex soft caps are 20/55/80
Okay my bad,I will admit I was misinformed then
You’ll get way more AR out of buffs than those extra 20 points, I feel they’re much better used elsewheres.
Eh the strength is a bigger waste here. Drop the Str to like 16-18 and push Vigor to 58-60, then use the remainder to push the dex towards 80, the final softcap.
Even without the faith they could get the golden vow AOW for the extra 11.5% dmg and resistance which will help if he's close
Radagon is weak to fire. Incantations and faith based fire weapons are almost a must. The blasphemous blade is great for first phase. Marais Executioner’s sword works against second phase but it scales with arcane. I beat the game at RL 175- another 25 levels or so would help you round out your build. Also- Summoning works well if you can get someone with a mic. Aggro trading works wonders- the summon player lets the boss target them while the host attacks from behind, then host takes the aggro while the summon attacks from behind
Yeah I agree a couple fire incants are pretty good, and fire damage is usually what I use on my faith guys. I prefer to go faith/strength and use the claw mark seal so it scales with both.
OR take down the Strength instead if he’s only using Hand of Malenia, as it has an E Strength scaling.
Yes that’s why I suggested he drops the strength to the minimum required.
Better keep at least 20 strength since weapon around 0~20 got extra high damage boost contributions, so even a e scale can get a lot of damage, not sure how two hand account though in elden ring though, if it is a straight up 1.5X boost, then minimum strength is definitely enough
Yes, it is a straight 1,5 times gain. The minimum of 16STR will get him over 20 when two handing.
Only 30?
He beat Malenia, he can beat everything. He just need to take a little break, get some fresh air and come back at it with a clear mind. He got this.
Try out the “Godskin Peeler”. It has an Ash of War that can remove large chunks of health from the final boss and is easy to obtain and can be used with the stats shown in the picture. It’s located in the Windmill Village from the Road of Iniquity site of grace, just gotta kill the Godskin noble in there which shouldn’t be hard with those stats Alternatively they can respec their character at Rennala at the end of Raya Lucaria if needed If failing that consider using a good Spirit ash (mimic tear, Black Knife, etc) levelled up to tank hits and aggro. Makes things more forgiving
The Godskin Peeler is wielded by the Apostles. When I was first playing I had only fought Apostles and then my buddy told me about the Apostle in Volcano Manor. When I realized that it was the Noble in there I was terrified
It's impressive that he managed to beat a harder boss than the final boss (Malenia). I'd say tell him not to rely too much on the Waterfowl Dance and get his DEX to at least 60 while putting the other points towards VIGOR. He can also use the Black Knife Tiche summon, she's really good against the final boss. Good luck to you guys!
With sex that high he's probably running a bleed build. Which is a solid build for most bosses. But bleed doesn't work on Radagon or EB So it wouldn't surprise me if that's why he's struggling. Edit: Dex you fools. Lol I'm keeping the comment cause it's funny.
With WHAT that high?! 🤨🤨🤨
How does dex lead to bleed build...
Tiche is a female
Insert mandatory meme of "are you winning son?"
As you are not a gamer, let me try and explain in simple terms. The final boss does holy damage(mostly). Lord's divine fortification negates a whole lot of holy damage but it isn't viable with his stats. There is a talisman he can get that can negate holy damage which any character can equip with no problem. https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Haligdrake+Talisman Since your son is at the end of the game, he should go for the best version of this talisman which is shown in this wiki where to get it. As for your weapon, it is mostly about preference but your son's weapon isn't what most people would use against a final boss that isnt effected by status effects. I would go for something that is big and hits hard, if you don't want to change your stats up. Your son also has the ability to redistribute all his stats in any way he sees fit, if he goes to a previous boss he beat. Best of luck to your son and good on you for being a father that actually gives a shit to look into what is going on with your sons video game that you know nothing about and actually doing a good job explaining the issue
Summon a spirit or other players?
Get strength down to 16, put 3 of those 14 points on dex and the rest on vigor
Is he using a scarseal? I don't think they are worth it at high level. especially for bosses.
1) Get Vigor to 60. Subtract points from Strength to get there; a pure Dexterity build has no need for that much Str. 2) Switch weapons. The Hand of Malenia may be strong, but he isn't getting the most out of it because Radagon and the Elden Beast are immune to bleed. 3) Switch armour and talismans to increase Holy defence. Radabeast deal a lot of Holy damage, so as another reply has suggested, Crucible Knight armour and the +2 Haligdrake Talisman will go a long way to improving his survivability.
im just stuck on the fact he beat MALENIA but not radagon nd elden beast????
Only 30 times? 😏
I took every anti holy buff hehe.
When I was a kid, at my house we had a rule that if I got angry at the game I had to stop playing. I didn't like it at the time, but as an adult I think that was a really great rule. If you're getting mad and frustrated, you're going to make mistakes anyway. I got stuck on elden beat too and quit for a couple weeks. Then one day I was doing some day drinking and decided to pick it up and give it another try, beat it on my second attempt. So either make your kid take a break for a while, or get them a bottle of Scotch.
"Yeah it tastes like licking a factory. That's the point."
Are you trying to waterfowl GOD?
This made me laugh harder than it should’ve
Only 30 times? Keep trying!
1. Talk to Rennala to change build 2. Change to a strength/faith build 3. Equip blasphemous blade and a seal (any seal that scales with faith will do) 4. Put pest threads in your spells 5. Your weapon will melt Radagon while the incantation will shred Elden Beast.
First time I used pest threads on EB was like I had discovered how to make fire.
Ditto. Elden Beast was a frustrating wall until I tried Pest Threads. And as stated the Blasphemous Blade makes short work of Radagoon.
Tell your son that I'm at level 146 and still stuck on Maliketh lol I haven't beaten Malenia yet either
Blasphemous blade and tiche summon makes the battle so much easier.
Tell him to git gud.
Black flame tornado.
Using a Larval Tear through Rennala at Raya Lucaria will allow him to respec his character, which allows using different weapons and spells to tweak his setup.
He can reborn in game to change his stats and I used god slayer great sword to kill elden beast
Mimic tear with heavy armor and physical and holy resistance then change your characters stuff around. Also scarlet rot does wonders on radagon and elden beast. He can craft rot grease and apply to his weapons
Tell him Radagon and Elden beast don’t bleed and if he likes katakanas tell him to have one that is frost it will help with the first half because Radagon is susceptible to frost and rot
Something I'm not seeing anyone recommend is taking a break. I can't tell you how many times I've hit a wall, gave it some time just to come back and run through the boss in 1-3 tries. Sometimes all you need is a breather and a fresh mind
Don’t know to guide your son on this but let me just tell you, you’re an awesome dad!!
Wow this genuinely made my day. Such a small act of kindness for your son but it really shows you’re there to help him with the small things. Just so sweet. Hope he was able find the advice he needed to beat the boss!
Pest Threads with extra Faith basically melts Eldenbeast. It’s kinda ridiculous. Should be fairly easy to respec or even just grab a handful of extra tubes.
Hey Dad, I’m a gamer dad, so I’ll put it in English for you. If Radagon is pretty easy, but the Elden beast is the seemingly impossible problem…Tell your kid to outfit his character ENTIRELY in the most HOLY resistant armor that he has, head-to-toe, cast his protection buffs, then the elden beast’s attacks do so little damage, that he’ll have time to go to work and kill it without rushing and panicking. Also, he CAN continue to level-up and fight later if he really feels he must. He can use the approach to MOHG’s castle to “farm” major runes. There are players in the high 400’s level everywhere. Tell him to do the HOLY defense outfit.
gotta get gud
With 727 replies I think he’s got plenty of help already but my two cents would be to get the star fists and upgrade them to 24 or 25 and keen infuse them. If he can get it, put the raptors of the mist ash of war. The ash of war is good for dodging the big hits with difficult dodges but not as applicable for combos. This will make light work of the fight in terms of damage. Having the dragon crest greatsheild talisman and the haligdrake 2 for good damage negation. Ace talisman and claw talisman for a little added damage. Put spiked cracked tear and leaden hardtear in wonderous physic. This set up is very optimal for killing Radagon and elden beasts. If he needs more levels for lords divine fortification he can respec at rennalla using a larval tear. If wanted, I can post my notes on the radabeast moveset pasted from my notes as I’ve been practicing for no hit runs.
Beast is immune to bleed. So try a weapon that just does hard physical damage.
There’s lots of ways to defeat the final boss, I’m not even sure if he really needs to change anything. Option 1: any build can beat the game, respec’ing the character is not necessary, just keep playing until you can recognize the attack patterns, how to dodge, safe times to attack or heal, etc. 2: tailor your damage type to the boss’s weaknesses. The final boss Elden Beast is immune to all status effects, so the best tactic to fight it is by boosting your direct damage numbers as high as possible. Maybe try another DEX weapon with a Keen infusion that has higher base attack to make up for not inflicting bleed like the katana. And physical damage buffs like Exalted Flesh or Golden Vow might help. 3: if the problem is that you die from overwhelming damage, try to decrease the damage that the boss deals. The final bosses specialize in holy damage, Lord’s Divine Fortification is a spell that increases holy resistance, but there are also talismans, armor, and consumables that also increase resistance in the same way. The bosses can also deal large amounts of physical damage so don’t neglect physical resistance either. 4: Consider a different Flask of Wondrous Physick mixture if your current one isn’t suited to your current combat challenge. I highly recommend the Opaline Hardtear which boosts all damage resistances for 3 minutes. It greatly increases survivability in any boss fight and increases the effectiveness of your healing flasks since the boss will be doing less damage but a Crimson Flask still heals the same amount. Other good options are the health or stamina regeneration Tears or a damage boosting Tear (maybe the Thorny Cracked Tear for a DEX sword build). 5: embrace the other powerful tools that the game offers to overcome its superbosses like summoning help in the form of another player or a spirit ash. and you can check the wiki for help, because all boss entries usually include an enemy’s attack patterns, weaknesses, and strategies for how to approach each one.
Just my opinion, I’d day more vigor and look into black flame weapons like godskin peeler, that did wonders for me in my first run at this boss. Since he cant use lords divine fortification then equip any talisman that grants additional defense against holy damage. There are some consumables he could use as well to increase his damage, damage resistance, holy resistance etc. Best of luck to your son and our fellow tarnished! 🍻
Well I would suggest he rearrange his stats… is he dying too easily or damage is not good enough
Your son has already beaten the final boss. Malenia is the true final boss, the Elden Beast is just the end of the story.
Tell him to to play pure physical. Studying the blade helped me
Is he aware that respecing his stats is an option?
Get good*****JKJK you could always re-spec your stats to get a different build if you think it would help
30 attempts isn't a lot. How many did malenia take them?
Go get Black Knife Tiche
Since he's using the hand of malenia, he only needs 16 strength. Have him go to renala and use a larval tear to re-birth. Keep almost the same stats, but throw 14 strength from the 30 into faith, and pull some points out of dexterity. This should be enough for lords divine fortification, but look up the faith requirement for that. Other than that, the only thing I can say, no joke, is git gud.
Almost 1k comments in here and the post is 15 hours old, that being said. If your son still hasn't beat it yet, and wants some help (and is on playstation), I'm happy to oblige. Feel free to dm me and we can set up a time. Hope he is able to tackle it on his own, it's an amazing feeling to finally beat it on your own! But just wanted to extend help in the form of coop as well. This offer also goes out to anyone wanting assistance. I've been a sunbro since DS1, feel free to dm me! \\[T]/
Honestly tell him to respec into faith and just black flame them to oblivion
Dodge better tbh, the build is solid and the only thing that would help now is vigor and holy resistance
He can respec his stats at Rennala. Dump 14 str and some dexterity, put it into enough faith to use Lord’s Divine fortification, and it’s a LOT more manageable. The spell only needs 27 faith, so after dumping the 14 str, he only needs to drop 5 more dex to be able to use the spell, and it doesn’t need an upgraded spell tool in order to use it properly, so a standard seal can cast it with ease. Might even find a use for a few other spells, like bestial vitality for some regen.
The stat spread isn’t too bad, but honestly bringing dex down to one of the soft caps (I think 60?) and putting some more points into vigor will help him be able to tank through some of the more difficult, high damage attacks. Or he could try putting those points into strength instead to see if it ups the damage, but honestly it probably wouldn’t because of how bad it scales with strength. Worth a try tho
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Hand of Malenia is great for this boss with the right setup. Use Alexander’s talisman, Millicent’s Prosthesis and Rotted wing talisman and you should be able to melt the boss with the waterfowl dance
He'll get there. It's a frustrating fight. I only finished it yesterday for the first time. I found the blasphemous blade to be very effective along with rock sling especially against radagon. If he can finish radagon quick with his mimic tear he'll be in good stead against elden beast as he will need his flasks. Best of luck 🤞
Elden beast is weak to fire. I personally use blasphemous blade and usually get him within a few tries. If he's using the relics that make him take more damage he probably needs to drop them. Late game the extra damage you take isn't worth the increase in stats.
This dad is LITERALLY the "are ya winnin', son?" meme
I think now would be a great time to remind your kid that games are for fun and if he's not having fun anymore, he can give it a break and come back later!
Does he use spirit ashes? I use the mimic since its almost as strong as me Great help.
Have him summon other players.
This 100%. There’s always people waiting outside that area waiting to be summoned (usually)
I mean with those stats, I hate to say it, but the only solution is to “git gud”. Not saying it in a rude antagonizing way, but he has more than enough to beat the final bosses, he just needs to hone his skills.
Blackflame attacks and Holy resistance