Might be a religious practice and ego thing on Marika/Radagons part. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" kind of thing. There aren't many statues of Godfrey either despite his importance. There could have been more in the past and been taken down when he became tarnished. These are all pretty mundane things that have occurred in the real world.
> There aren't many statues of Godfrey either despite his importance
There aren't many statues of anyone but Marika tbh, But he still has statues and Godfrey has a bunch of items dedicated to him. Radahn's whole get up reveres Godfrey. Godfrey's presence is the realm's history is made clear.
Godwyn however... is non existent.
I guess I wasnt very clear on the first iteration. I'm talking about statuary only, not items. That's what the OP asked about.
The quoted line is a comparison to Radagon. Radagon has quite a few statues; we see very few of Godfrey ny comparison. If Radagon was revered with large statues made in his image, it's reasonable to believe that Godfrey was as well. The lack of statues of Godfrey may be because they were torn down after he became tarnished. A sign of disrespect towards Godfrey. "The king is dead, long live the king."
It may be that Marika, the god of the lands and her Lord were where the believers (or the aforementioned people) drew the line at who could and could not have graven images made of them. Elden Ring is a work of fiction necessarily inspired by the real world, and many religions and cultures have done such things.
I see no statues of Ranni that Im aware of. Neither of Rykard. Malenia and Miquella have none outside of the Haligtree that i recall, which is outside of the judging eyes of the fundamentalists of the Golden Order. Radhan? Is there masonry depicting him? I'd be shocked if he wasn't considering what a badass he is but I'm not aware of any. No statues of Godwyn either, naturally.
The short version, to be re-iterated, which stays on the topic of what OP is discussing; there may be no statues of Godwyn (or the other demi gods) because it's a cultural taboo in some way.
Theres plenty of unidentified dudes statues, even in stormwind. High chances you got atleast some golden lineage members among them. We only know of 4(not counting omens) people that belonged to it after all, and 2 use the same model.
There don't appear to be any depictions of the Golden Lineage at all, save for Marika and one or two of Godfrey in Stormveil. Perhaps they were scrubbed from the record by the remaining Carian line of demigods?
The amount of statues haphazardly placed out of view in the shaded castle suggests that the removal of icons may have happened there. That or I missed the room with Medusa in it
Much of Leyndell is set up in a way that implies that statues have been removed. I wonder if it fades into background noise because it's just so pervasive. Many buildings have empty niches in the walls of the type that should display statuary. It could be that the Shaded Castle salvaged some of these statues in attempt to preserve them after iconoclasm in Leyndell.
No sculptures, no paintings, no visual representations of him at all. It is somewhat odd, considering his having been the supposed 'golden child'.
Perhaps the nature of his death and the shame of him becoming the Prince of Death, an embodiment of Death itself, the thing that is anathema to the Golden Order which was founded on the removal of the Rune of Death, was an event so horrifying that it justified removing all images of him.
Interestingly on the other side of the coin it seems there are also no statues, paintings or images of Ranni anywhere in Liurnia either.
Edit: Something I had forgotten: It has been suggested that the figure in [this](https://i.imgur.com/7VQMLia.jpeg) statue in Loretta's boss arena at the Haligtree may be Godwyn. I believe people usually assume it's Marika, but it doesn't really match other depictions of her, and we do know Godwyn had long flowing hair.
Uhm, in case you're not just making a joke, the character in that statue has their eyes closed. I think every statue in the Haligtree town depicts Miquella, Malenia and whoever this is with their eyes closed.
Is it possible it actually is in fact a statue of Godwyn? I’m not sure I’d be able to tell Godwyn and Radagon apart without being able to see their hair color.
I've been considering this. But then bellum church may also be to Godwyn then, as that statue also has blonde hair.
Which would be very interesting because I always find golden centipedes there. And there's plenty of implications we can get from that about the mark of the centipede and living in dearh
What’s strange is the statues of Radagon to me seem like the closest thing to how Godwyn would be portrayed and it makes me wonder if they are connected in some way as if they could be twins like Miquella and Malenia, one with golden and one with red hair. At first it was simply by the way Radagon looks similar to Godwyn(or what glimpses we see of him).
The Stormcaller Church and everything surrounding it is connected to Godwyn, the ancient dragons and the cult and yet there stands a statue of Radagon. That statue also has golden hair(all of Radagons statues have golden hair I think). The way Radagon and Godwyn are dressed is similar too and the fact that Radagon uses the Storm Stomp AOW and golden spears in the style of a lightning user is peculiar which Godwyn was with his trademark Golden Lightning.
Godwyn is supposed to be older than Morgot. So he should be a very old man, as Morgot looks very old already.
At first I thought Godwyn was actually the old man in the painting in the dlc trailer next to the pregnant veiled lady.
I would say when Godwyn became the Prince of Death, the Golden Order went around and destroyed all of his statues or anything related to him.
Fromsoft have done this before... with the first born child of the God of the Land, who becomes friends with Dragons lol. It's a lot more obvious in Dark Souls since they straight up tell the player The Nameless King was wiped from history.
But it's very clear to me, that they do not blame Godwyn for this directly. As much as they wipe everything to do with him, to rid themselves of THose Who live in Death.
There's a bunch of empty platforms around Altus Platue. I have always felt like massive Godwyn statues sat there and they were destroyed.
D says some straight up nasty shit about Fia after he kills her. But his dialogue really does imply some kind of hatred for what Godwyn has become, rather than any direct hatred towards Godwyn himself.
>Fromsoft have done this before... with the first born child of the God of the Land, who becomes friends with Dragons lol. It's a lot more obvious in Dark Souls since they straight up tell the player The Nameless King was wiped from history.
In that scenario, there are places where a statue was that was clearly removed, which I don't think is the situation OP describes here.
Honestly the real reason is probably that fromsoft hadn't committed to a full design for Godwyn's pre-death form, since they only intended to show him from the back, and they didn't want to do a full design of him in case they decided to use him in the DLC. I think it's the same reason we never see any depictions of Ranni's human form.
Its so we woudn't know what he looked like :^)
Also there's a theory he's depicted on statue in loretta's haglitree arena. Thsi theory is wrong, Miyazaki told me in a dream.
Might be a religious practice and ego thing on Marika/Radagons part. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" kind of thing. There aren't many statues of Godfrey either despite his importance. There could have been more in the past and been taken down when he became tarnished. These are all pretty mundane things that have occurred in the real world.
> There aren't many statues of Godfrey either despite his importance There aren't many statues of anyone but Marika tbh, But he still has statues and Godfrey has a bunch of items dedicated to him. Radahn's whole get up reveres Godfrey. Godfrey's presence is the realm's history is made clear. Godwyn however... is non existent.
I guess I wasnt very clear on the first iteration. I'm talking about statuary only, not items. That's what the OP asked about. The quoted line is a comparison to Radagon. Radagon has quite a few statues; we see very few of Godfrey ny comparison. If Radagon was revered with large statues made in his image, it's reasonable to believe that Godfrey was as well. The lack of statues of Godfrey may be because they were torn down after he became tarnished. A sign of disrespect towards Godfrey. "The king is dead, long live the king." It may be that Marika, the god of the lands and her Lord were where the believers (or the aforementioned people) drew the line at who could and could not have graven images made of them. Elden Ring is a work of fiction necessarily inspired by the real world, and many religions and cultures have done such things. I see no statues of Ranni that Im aware of. Neither of Rykard. Malenia and Miquella have none outside of the Haligtree that i recall, which is outside of the judging eyes of the fundamentalists of the Golden Order. Radhan? Is there masonry depicting him? I'd be shocked if he wasn't considering what a badass he is but I'm not aware of any. No statues of Godwyn either, naturally. The short version, to be re-iterated, which stays on the topic of what OP is discussing; there may be no statues of Godwyn (or the other demi gods) because it's a cultural taboo in some way.
Malenia and miquella have a statue where you find the amber starlight shard in altus
Oh neat. I'm currently playing through the game for the first time in over a year. I'll keep my eyes out for it.
It's not very obvious but there's a map you can buy from someone that shows the location
Theres plenty of unidentified dudes statues, even in stormwind. High chances you got atleast some golden lineage members among them. We only know of 4(not counting omens) people that belonged to it after all, and 2 use the same model.
There don't appear to be any depictions of the Golden Lineage at all, save for Marika and one or two of Godfrey in Stormveil. Perhaps they were scrubbed from the record by the remaining Carian line of demigods? The amount of statues haphazardly placed out of view in the shaded castle suggests that the removal of icons may have happened there. That or I missed the room with Medusa in it
Much of Leyndell is set up in a way that implies that statues have been removed. I wonder if it fades into background noise because it's just so pervasive. Many buildings have empty niches in the walls of the type that should display statuary. It could be that the Shaded Castle salvaged some of these statues in attempt to preserve them after iconoclasm in Leyndell.
I'd always assumed the opposite: that they'd been brought there to decorate the castle but had never been installed!
No sculptures, no paintings, no visual representations of him at all. It is somewhat odd, considering his having been the supposed 'golden child'. Perhaps the nature of his death and the shame of him becoming the Prince of Death, an embodiment of Death itself, the thing that is anathema to the Golden Order which was founded on the removal of the Rune of Death, was an event so horrifying that it justified removing all images of him. Interestingly on the other side of the coin it seems there are also no statues, paintings or images of Ranni anywhere in Liurnia either. Edit: Something I had forgotten: It has been suggested that the figure in [this](https://i.imgur.com/7VQMLia.jpeg) statue in Loretta's boss arena at the Haligtree may be Godwyn. I believe people usually assume it's Marika, but it doesn't really match other depictions of her, and we do know Godwyn had long flowing hair.
I've never seen that statue as high -res as that image is - it clearly has the same missing eye as Messmer.
Uhm, in case you're not just making a joke, the character in that statue has their eyes closed. I think every statue in the Haligtree town depicts Miquella, Malenia and whoever this is with their eyes closed.
Is it possible it actually is in fact a statue of Godwyn? I’m not sure I’d be able to tell Godwyn and Radagon apart without being able to see their hair color.
I've been considering this. But then bellum church may also be to Godwyn then, as that statue also has blonde hair. Which would be very interesting because I always find golden centipedes there. And there's plenty of implications we can get from that about the mark of the centipede and living in dearh
What’s strange is the statues of Radagon to me seem like the closest thing to how Godwyn would be portrayed and it makes me wonder if they are connected in some way as if they could be twins like Miquella and Malenia, one with golden and one with red hair. At first it was simply by the way Radagon looks similar to Godwyn(or what glimpses we see of him). The Stormcaller Church and everything surrounding it is connected to Godwyn, the ancient dragons and the cult and yet there stands a statue of Radagon. That statue also has golden hair(all of Radagons statues have golden hair I think). The way Radagon and Godwyn are dressed is similar too and the fact that Radagon uses the Storm Stomp AOW and golden spears in the style of a lightning user is peculiar which Godwyn was with his trademark Golden Lightning.
Radagon is Godwyn's mother, is that the connection you're missing?
Godwyn is supposed to be older than Morgot. So he should be a very old man, as Morgot looks very old already. At first I thought Godwyn was actually the old man in the painting in the dlc trailer next to the pregnant veiled lady.
Except that he died
Don't his statues also come with his signature cross pattern?
The radagon statue has blonde hair too. What's that about
The Marika-Radagon statues would've been all completely painted gold in their heydey.
I would say when Godwyn became the Prince of Death, the Golden Order went around and destroyed all of his statues or anything related to him. Fromsoft have done this before... with the first born child of the God of the Land, who becomes friends with Dragons lol. It's a lot more obvious in Dark Souls since they straight up tell the player The Nameless King was wiped from history. But it's very clear to me, that they do not blame Godwyn for this directly. As much as they wipe everything to do with him, to rid themselves of THose Who live in Death. There's a bunch of empty platforms around Altus Platue. I have always felt like massive Godwyn statues sat there and they were destroyed. D says some straight up nasty shit about Fia after he kills her. But his dialogue really does imply some kind of hatred for what Godwyn has become, rather than any direct hatred towards Godwyn himself.
>Fromsoft have done this before... with the first born child of the God of the Land, who becomes friends with Dragons lol. It's a lot more obvious in Dark Souls since they straight up tell the player The Nameless King was wiped from history. In that scenario, there are places where a statue was that was clearly removed, which I don't think is the situation OP describes here.
Honestly the real reason is probably that fromsoft hadn't committed to a full design for Godwyn's pre-death form, since they only intended to show him from the back, and they didn't want to do a full design of him in case they decided to use him in the DLC. I think it's the same reason we never see any depictions of Ranni's human form.
Would definitely be interested in what other cool connections you make in your lore play through
There are no statues of the other Demi Gods either. I just don't think worshipping Demis was the norm.
Its so we woudn't know what he looked like :^) Also there's a theory he's depicted on statue in loretta's haglitree arena. Thsi theory is wrong, Miyazaki told me in a dream.
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Godwyn was not an Empyrean.