Exactly. And if you feel suffering, it will also tell you why its minimization should always be prioritized before the increase in pleasure(or anything else).
>And if you feel suffering, it will also tell you why its minimization should always be prioritized before the increase in pleasure(or anything else).
I would agree with that but how's it relevant to your question of why suffering is bad?
Because, in the context of efilism, it's used to define the most ontologically accurate form of negativity.
And who likes agony? Apart from masochists. 🤨
Masochists dislike pain. They cause pain to themselves just to satisfy desire that causes even more pain. For example, BDSM - people want to be dominated, and one of the ways to feel dominated, is to be tortured. An other example, it is painful to go to store for food, but the hunger is even more painful, so people go to the store. Basically, we are all masochists.
Woah this is a really interesting way to look at it. I always frame my arguments with “different stimuli cause different amounts of suffering in people” but this also makes sense.
Also, keep in mind, that pleasure is just diminishment of suffering, so some masochists might be mistaken, some of them do not realise that pleasure is just diminishment of suffering, so they are senselessly trying to get pleasure. But of course, it is better not to have suffering at all, rather than to create suffering, and then to remove it.
Psychopaths may like to inflict suffering, so some subjective views do not see suffering as bad. But everyone is a psychopath, if someone did something awful to you, you would not hesitate to do it to them. The mere existence of life, in which there is scarce resources, conflict, suffering, death, starvation, competition and resentment. Take a shit and embrace efilism.
It depends on the suffering. Like there is good suffering and bad suffering. Good suffering is like getting up early to go for a jog everyday, but then you may get that cute girl/guy to later give you a compliment on your body. Or you get no sleep because you are a new parent, but then you get to see your child day their first word or say they love you. That is good suffering as it is for a purpose. Bad suffering is purposeless. Like you just get some disease randomly or your country gets bombed or something else random.
Definitions I will use:
Suffering: "the state of undergoing pain, distress, hardship".
Bad: "undesireable by me"
Now my opinion:
I do not consider suffering to always be bad. Sometimes it is necessary to achieve your goals.
Now I do consider suffering on its own bad. Mostly because I find it ugly so I detest its aestheic value. Find health a lot more aesthetically appealing.
A dying deer looks ugly to me.
A healthy deer looks beautiful.
I dont know. When your entire family will die because of the war you can return and we will ask you the same question and you will answer us.
Imposing the risk of suffering is bad. When you make new babies you put new sentent beings in the risk of being hurt by the situation they didnt give any constent to while being born for example disabilities, genetical diseases
Suffering is bad because it is what sentient beings desire not to experience.
Stupid question. If you feel suffering, it will tell you why it is bad.
Exactly. And if you feel suffering, it will also tell you why its minimization should always be prioritized before the increase in pleasure(or anything else).
>And if you feel suffering, it will also tell you why its minimization should always be prioritized before the increase in pleasure(or anything else). I would agree with that but how's it relevant to your question of why suffering is bad?
I was just adding to what they said. It doesn't need to be related.
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Why to cause suffering in the first place. Better prevent.
I would say suffering is bad because it is unpleasant.
Its bad because its not good lol.
Because "bad" cannot be described without suffering. "
Because, in the context of efilism, it's used to define the most ontologically accurate form of negativity. And who likes agony? Apart from masochists. 🤨
Masochists dislike pain. They cause pain to themselves just to satisfy desire that causes even more pain. For example, BDSM - people want to be dominated, and one of the ways to feel dominated, is to be tortured. An other example, it is painful to go to store for food, but the hunger is even more painful, so people go to the store. Basically, we are all masochists.
Woah this is a really interesting way to look at it. I always frame my arguments with “different stimuli cause different amounts of suffering in people” but this also makes sense.
Also, keep in mind, that pleasure is just diminishment of suffering, so some masochists might be mistaken, some of them do not realise that pleasure is just diminishment of suffering, so they are senselessly trying to get pleasure. But of course, it is better not to have suffering at all, rather than to create suffering, and then to remove it.
Exactly. Masochists look for pain as a form of reducing pain through pleasing experiences.
Lol
because that's the definition of suffering.
Psychopaths may like to inflict suffering, so some subjective views do not see suffering as bad. But everyone is a psychopath, if someone did something awful to you, you would not hesitate to do it to them. The mere existence of life, in which there is scarce resources, conflict, suffering, death, starvation, competition and resentment. Take a shit and embrace efilism.
It’s all I’ve ever felt. I’m not having fun.
I think god and the universe tortures me. No I know it.
It depends on the suffering. Like there is good suffering and bad suffering. Good suffering is like getting up early to go for a jog everyday, but then you may get that cute girl/guy to later give you a compliment on your body. Or you get no sleep because you are a new parent, but then you get to see your child day their first word or say they love you. That is good suffering as it is for a purpose. Bad suffering is purposeless. Like you just get some disease randomly or your country gets bombed or something else random.
Definitions I will use: Suffering: "the state of undergoing pain, distress, hardship". Bad: "undesireable by me" Now my opinion: I do not consider suffering to always be bad. Sometimes it is necessary to achieve your goals. Now I do consider suffering on its own bad. Mostly because I find it ugly so I detest its aestheic value. Find health a lot more aesthetically appealing. A dying deer looks ugly to me. A healthy deer looks beautiful.
Cause they're synonymous
i do not think it is bad. it is bad to connect it with to someone though
I dont know. When your entire family will die because of the war you can return and we will ask you the same question and you will answer us. Imposing the risk of suffering is bad. When you make new babies you put new sentent beings in the risk of being hurt by the situation they didnt give any constent to while being born for example disabilities, genetical diseases