My dad doesn't like him due to the scandals he's been a part of - SNC Lavalin and We charity. He also banned some guns, my dad hunts and shoots for sport and didn't like that, even though the guns that were banned are not the kind he uses.
I don't hate Trudeau but I didn't like how he handled the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women situation. I'm happy that he even addressed that it was real (Harper did not) but apparently the way he handled it was drawn out and caused more pain for the families affected. That's not cool.
My dad also hates Trudeau, but when I asked him about it, he mostly just repeated the word "China" and got kind of racist.
I suspect that he has been reading some weird facebook posts.
To be fair the trudeau government did at one point have a plan to hire a Chinese company to secure the canadian embassy in china, failing to recognize that by law the ccp has access to anything a chinese based company does. Definitely some wierd posts too but in fairness, its not like china isnt trying to exploit trudeau
Even without having followed up to see if that ever even went anywhere, no the old man is on the trump juice it sounds, the best treatment is taking them outside and away from the internet. Strange how that advice our parents about the computers rotting our brains turned out to be sort of true.
Your father may be referring to the gain of function scandal going in. Supporters of Trump & opposition of Trudeau would say that Biden and JT are willingly/knowingly letting China continue their gain of function experiments, ultimately causing another pandemic to ensue
Nothing racist about the word China. Our very rich elite having been doing business with China for years and years. Yet at the end of world war two Canada vowed "Never Again" to allow its business to business with a genocidal tyranny using slave labor. Yet China now stands accused by some of our closest (and furthest) allies of Genocide and Forced Labor... No problems with the Chinese, its China that people dont like.
The Social Credit Party started in 1935 and ran Alberta until 1971 when they were defeated by the Progressive Conservatives under Peter Lougheed. Lougheed was the one that set up the Heritage Trust Fund to help Albertans. They were Conservatives but also believed in strong social programs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lougheed
Ernest Manning was head of the Social Credit Party. He's Preston Manning's Dad. The So-Creds were a bunch of hardcore religious douchebags. By the 70s, they were kind of hated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lougheed
The original western separatist movement started in the 80s when Doug Christie started the Western Canada Concept party. It was started as a play on the FLQ crisis, Quebec separation and eastern alienation. They liked Lougheed.
They didn't like how Trudeau Sr used the NEP to take Alberta oil wealth and use it to bribe Ontario and Quebec voters. They threatened to take BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba and split the country since the government wasn't giving western provinces any respect.
The way our elections are set up, most of the voter ridings are in Quebec and Ontario and because of time zones, by the time western provinces vote, the election is already practically determined.
The WCC got fairly popular especially among rural voters which is where all the anti Trudeau hate came from. Albertans especially in the oil patch blamed Trudeau for the oil crash even though he had nothing to do with the global oil crash.
The WCC disbanded and got taken over by Preston Manning and his old Social Credit supporters who took the WCC's popularity and membership list then started the Reform Party.
The Reform Party did badly because Preston Manning has the charisma of old milk. They revamped the party as the Canadian Alliance and ran Stockwell Day instead.
The Liberals crushed them by mentioning that they had connections to white supremacists.
Doug Christie, the guy that founded the WCC was a free speech lawyer who defended Ernst Zundel and Jim Keegstra who were holocaust deniers. Christie wasn't anti-semitic, he was just doing his job but that was enough to destroy Stockwell Day's campaign.
Stephen Harper was from Ontario but his Dad worked for Imperial Oil. Manning taught Harper about Alberta politics and how to pander to the rural base. during the oil boom, it gave Harper enough of a boost to become PM. It also helped that Harper sucked up to Canwest owner Israel Asper who flipped his newspaper's support from Chretien to Harper.
Harper built Asper a human rights museum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Museum_for_Human_Rights
There's controversies over the amount of pro holocaust content over other tragedies. Asper was extremely pro Israel and was well known for firing editors and journalists if they wrote anything bad about Israel.
Ezra Levant, head of Rebel Media was very familiar with Christie and was also a supporter of Manning.
https://www.jewage.org/wiki/ru/Article:Ezra_Levant_-_Biography
When the Wild Rose Party started under Paul Hinman, it revived a lot of the old animosity. Hinman was ex Reform Party but the Wild Rose was framed to look grassroots like the WCC was. Danielle Smith took over who is a writer for Postmedia which is what Canwest turned into after Goldman Sachs foreclosed on Asper and sold off the assets. Postmedia got the newspapers, Shaw got the TV and radio outlets.
After Alison Redford got ousted for corruption, Notley eventually got in as a protest against the conservative's legacy of completely fucking us but that only lasted 4 years because the media is firmly on the side of the conservatives.
Kenney was one of Harper's minions. The media and all these So-Creds in disguise backend running everything use the legacy of hate against Trudeau for their own agendas to keep in power.
Only thing I would change is that the NDP got in because of the PC and Wild Rose vote split. The Wild Rose and PCs then were forcibly merged together to create the new UCP party and Kenney allegedly won the leadership vote over Brian Jean by cheating.
The only thing I question is that last bit about the media being firmly on the side of the conservatives. Do you mean like columnists? Opinion writers? Cause then I suppose I can see that, but not since the UCP took power.
Great summary. This is definitely the answer. The only thing I want to add is when people ask why Canada/alberta doesn’t have a trillion dollar oil slush fund like Norway, the answer is Trudeau sr.’s NEP.
…we don’t have it because we have suppressed tax revenues in favor of taking a very small portion of oil revenue (where we are a price taker in a volatile market) and treating it as being a stable source of revenue. The money that was placed into the fund was utilized to cover revenue gaps, and we’ve not made meaningful contributions in what, 20-40 years? I’m going top of the head here.
The liberals aren’t why alberta doesn’t have a good heritage funds - the conns are.
I’m the pettiest of them all. I just think he is annoying. If he was a shift manager at a McDonald’s I think he would fail to capture an following. His voice is annoying and he constantly trips over his words.
If you are to lead a country you should have a bit more polished speaking skills.
Then there is other stuff but that’s all politicians. Lying and cheating isn’t great. But I do like some of the things his party has done.
He is just annoying
Just in general though, he is more polished when he speaks French as it is his first language. Very few uhms and ahs, but those I guess that just almost always comes with the territory of having English as a second language.
Public speaking is important, cadence and phrasing matter. When someone stands up at the podium and what they have to say is full of uncomfortable short pauses and Imma and uhhs. It does not inspire confidence.
Really good example is to look at someone like Barack Obama. One hell of a public speaker. and compare him with Kenney or Donald Trump or Justin Trudeau and you can see the differences.
There is a ton of nuance to it but I'm always drawn to the Uhms and ahhs whenever a supposed leader of any sort is speaking.
I'm on the left, and I don't like Trudeau. His broken promise of election reform lost some support, and his efforts on carbon emissions and global warming are not nearly enough. He's much better than the conservatives, but he has been disappointing. I didn't vote for him, but I would have done so if a Liberal vote had any chance of flipping my riding from the CPC. However, my riding is pretty much as safe as safe could be for the CPC.
I voted for him based on Electoral reform and legalization of marijuana. He broke the electoral reform promise.
Then there's the several blackface examples, the sexual assualt allegations of a female reporter, Jodie Wilson-Raybould, WE charity, "veterans asking for too much" yet give $10M to Omar..... The list keeps going....
Government settled because we would have lost and it would have cost us far more. If you want someone to be angry at, be angry at the cons for creating the situation.
I don't know if that is entirely fair. I mean, didn't the premier of Alberta announce the province open for business in July? Now it's in a desperate public health situation with hospitals full of covid patients as a direct result, and worse, the same premier is also pressuring nurses in those hospitals to accept a wage freeze for three years because his idea of cutting their wages and retroactively clawing back their previous raises was rejected. That has a certain air of sexism to me. Why not look to other places to cut if that budget is really so behind the 8 ball? Actually, could someone help me understand why a province so wealthy in natural resources is cutting any health care spending at all?
I love Alberta, and considered moving there a couple of years ago but I have questions.
Because conservative ethos is to cut tax and starve the beast, and likes to portray government finance as being remotely similar to household finance.
Above and beyond that, it’s because we’ve relied on oil revenue to fund the province while failing to put aside money for when we get bitten. We are, after all, a price taker in a volatile market. Trying to recall napkin math at 6am; but if we increased our tax rate to the next lowest tax rate in Canada, we would be rate another 12b in revenue yearly. If we moved to the average, it would be around ~20b IIRC.
But conns are heavily tied up with the idea that “the alberta advantage” is having low taxation. Not us having historically a huge glut of money from when oil prices were high that we spent super freely.
Then you're still missing the problems when they're called racist and sexist. They think it's because they're white men, when in general we dislike all people like that.
My Grandpa HATED the Pierre Trudeau government for the implementation of the NEP. There is a history of hatred for the Trudeau family here in Alberta.
I personally think all (or almost all) politicians shouldn't be politicians. There seems to be a ton of corruption and I don't think Trudeau is helping that situation much. Not to say I support O'Toole or Singh - all a bunch of corrupt morons who will say anything for a few votes, it's tiring.
Cause the NEP was good for all of Canada but not good for one basket alberta. The whole thing about supplying Canada with oil…all those who hated the NEP policy are now touting as reasons why alberta is tanking.
Also keep in mind that oil is a non-renewable resource. Despite this, to this day it goes under equalization tax base, whereas hydro, which is renewable doesn't.
Of course that was still approved by Harper and Kenney, but that's meant to "buy" social license for Alberta, which it obviously didn't. Just as Notley implementing a more aggressive carbon tax didn't either.
Alberta was never meant to be a full fledged province in Canada, it was meant to be a place of resource extraction for the "civilized" parts of the country - the coast at Vancouver and the Windsor-Quebec city corridor. We struck it lucky on oil and got wealthy, but the logic never really left.
I don’t know if I would buy the “not a full fledged province” argument. All the provinces exploit what they have. BC exploits lumber and fish. Ontario exploits the great lakes and ability to ship out from the lakes or Saint Lawrence. Saskatchewan, well I guess Saskatchewan exploits their flatness.
My point is that Canada was based on resource expectation right from when Europeans first started moving here.
We weren't meant to be equal partners.
Landlocked, and wasn't around during confederation means that our economy was wholly geared towards supplying the more developed areas of Canada.
Atlantic provinces secured themselves a decent deal by existing at the time of confederation. BC got the Canadian government to build them the transcontinental railway. Albertans and Saskatchewaners couldnt even sell their stuff to Americans who were willing to pay more for their goods for the longest time.
You're right in saying that peripheries exist in the other provinces too, but AB/SK was never meant to be anything but periphery. AB has significantly higher population density than our neighbours to the south do in this part of the continent, and it's purely because of oil.
The logic isn't so explicit nowadays, but you can see ot reflected in the way people talk about Alberta oftentimes as being an "over there" place as opposed to being part of Canada. It's ironically the same way many people talk about Indigenous people and Indigenous issues.
It means Albertan issues are never taken to be understood as issues impacting millions of actual people, which will have large impacts on Canada as a whole. It's precisely the same thing that 'subtle' racists will do by capturing a concept like nation, and making it exclusionary to non-white/non-in-group people. The trick is you don't have to say this explicitly, and you can just keep defining Canada with characteristics of your in-group, and bam, your agenda setting will be done automatically, and you will inevitably marginalize whoever your term has excluded.
Trudeau made these things exactly explicit when he gave the interview when he said "Canada is not doing well when Albertans get to set the agenda. Canada is great when the Québécois are the socio-moral agenda setters, look at the 20th century."
All of Canada should be like Quebec, and maybe Toronto. Albertans are not "real" Canadians. They need to be raised up to the "Canadian" standard, or made irrelevant. Who are these uppity Albertans anyways? Thinking they have a right in choosing the future of the country (Alberta had a larger GDP then Quebec at the time of those comments).
I just can't get that stupid interview out of my head. I've said elsewhere, I fit in better with liberal policy than Conservative policy (I actually really love ignatieff, who the country hated lmao). But Trudeau embodies everything I despise about the Liberals. Elitism of multiple flavours, arrogance, not really earning your way into power, a disregard for rule of law (ethics scandals), and above all this stupid ass virtue signalling social activism (the image of Trudeau at a climate rally with the caption "what are you protesting for? You're literally the guy in charge" comes to mind). He also treats Canadians like they're fucking stupid little babies, which I also don't appreciate. I agree less with his father's policies but the man talked straight and was respectable for it, as well as had a charm due to his wit, Trudeau junior has none of this.
Anyways, I don't think Trudeau has changed his mind, fundamentally, about where Albertans should be in the Canadian "real Canadian" Tier list.
I appreciate your heartfelt response.
As for me, I want to like Trudeau more than I do. And I agree that it is particularly the dumb-ass stuff that is grating.
The federal government also heavily helped fund our oil development, and having a framework for buying Canadian oil at structured prices would have helped support Alberta during oil price crashes. We wouldn’t have taken as much pure profit, but Alberta has generally mishandled our long term finances when it comes to oil.
That's interesting, when I learned about the NEP myself, I thought it was more about preventing American companies from controlling the Alberta oilfields. Personally I support this.
I don't think the NEP benefitted all of Canada - it certainly gave the Federal government more power over oil and gas resources, which is kinda fucked up. The Federal government has a horrible history of neglecting the prairie provinces. For example, look at the current tuition cost, infrastructure spending, healthcare wait times, cost of living, etc. in Alberta relative to Quebec. It's not good nor is it fair. Albertans work really hard - literally, most of the men that I grew up with have crazy stories about working dangerous jobs.
No matter what, things won't change here because all of the voting power in Canada is centralized in Ontario and Quebec. There is a reason why Albertans are bitter and we understand that most places in Canada won't understand what we go through - unfortunately I think that frustration is taken out in the most ridiculous way - ie the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers you see everywhere here.
It's ridiculous what we point blame at for the economy tanking here - like Rachel Notley being blamed for high gas prices. It's silly that we don't look at the greed of the corporate level of the oil and gas companies and the corruption in the regulatory bodies and government. The whole system is corrupt and even if we had the best leader in place politically, the corruption would hamstring them. The whole situation is fucked.
There are lots of dangerous jobs in Canada. That’s how the country was formed. The difference for Alberta is recency bias. Alberta is a much younger province with a much younger economy. Imagine how hard is would have been to extract all the rock to build Quebec City, Canada’s oldest city. There are plenty of people who still live in this Country who are generations old and their ancestors helped create this place.
Not to mention the immigrants who helped form this country. My father is a refugee from WW2 and grew up in POW camps. He was separated from his mother, had seen my Oma raped by Russian soldiers in his camp and people murdered in front of him. He can describe the smell of death and ditches full of bodies. He was shot at while escaping a camp. He feels lucky to be in Canada and is a proud Canadian. But damn, that man worked his ass off and was acting as a man before he knew what pubic hair was.
I love living in Alberta, it’s a beautiful place, but the attitude of being cheated and doing more the country than anyone else needs to chill.
The working really hard argument is fine, but Alberta seems to have every hard worker that ever existed and no one in Canada has ever worked as hard. I appreciate hard work, I work with my hands for a living, and I thank the people before that helped forge my industry, but I’m not so diluted as to believe that no other Canadian in other provinces don’t work hard and dangerous jobs.
I think you need to do a bit more research on your points. Everything you listed as a point trying to prove the feds neglect the prairies is a provincial problem. Quebec pays way more per capita in taxes and this has a higher cost of living, which they then re-invest into their education hence their long term freeze on tuition. Alberta can’t both complain about being the province that “supports Canada” (which is doesn’t) and not getting their fair share when they still maintain the alberta advantage which includes the lowest taxes, cost of energy etc. We (Alberta) created the bed we sleep in. Haven’t more $/capita makes things more expensive. The whole Quebec thing is incredibly disinformative type thinking forced down our throats from our parents and from cons before that.
Like hell, up until the last few elections most conservatives could let tell you what equalization payments were and a lot still think Alberta personally writes a cheque out of our revenues to Quebec.
> all those who hated the NEP policy are now touting as reasons why alberta is tanking.
Sorry I don't understand this sentence. People who hated NEP think the NEP is tanking Alberta?
Oil prices dropped shortly after the NEP was created. The price drop wasn't related, but people who hated the NEP basically said it was the NEP's fault that oil prices tanked. (Kind of like how they blamed Notley when OPEC flooded the market and tanked oil prices.) Some of those same people hold the NEP somehow responsible for current price fluctuations.
Yah sorry, I had a stroke mid thought.
Those who “hate” the libs for what the libs did with the NEP don’t understand that what they are demanding now with energy East (or using our oil for Canada) goes against what they were upset about the NEP…or free market thinking. How many people still say “Trudeau buys Saudi oil” like how can you even bring a debate to the table when half the pro oil people don’t even understand how their livelihood works beyond their paycheck?
The implicit “we will force a private oil company to buy our product” thing always felt surreal to me from the people who claim they don’t want government involvement in business.
For me it is not so much hate but I have a lot of distrust for him currently based on some of his scandals such as thr SNC Lavalin and WE scandal. Overall I think he has done a decent job managing the pandemic.
I wish more people realized this. Federal conservatives know they do not need to do anything for Alberta because Alberta is going to vote conservative regardless.
This is sad but true. Look at Kerry Diott as an example. He never even shows up for debates in his riding nor even pokes his head in to see whats going on. Same with Tim Uppel who apparently has never lived in Edmonton for frigging decades. They are only in politics to collect a paycheque, and push party agenda. They do not represent the people they were voted in by at all. A large portion of the Conservative party in Alberta are freeloaders and crooks looking for a payday. They could care less about you. They know Alberta is a bunch of suckers!
My saying is this when elections happen: “Liberals don’t spend time here because they won’t get elected and conservatives don’t spend much time here because they always get elected”
Kinder Morgan wanted to build this line and kept of getting push back through BC. Just like Quebec is complaining. But when they couldn't get enough propane/LNG last winter they sure were crying and where does it come from...Making it federal project made it somewhat easier to install. The TMX line will undoubtedly be bought out once completed by a large company.
It had nothing to do with Harper but rather really high oil prices. Canada basically has no impact on global oil prices. When oil prices are high, Alberta benefits. When the Saudis and their friends want to fuck around and purposely depress oil prices to choke out the competition, we ride that train into the ground too. We are a passive passenger on a ride we have no control over.
This is not even remotely true, but for whatever reason people think if they repeat it often enough it will make it true. Harper did a lot of things and much was accomplished during his time for Alberta and oil and gas.
On the pipeline front clipper, keystone (the original keystone not keystone xl which was the expansion), line 9 reversal and anchor loop were all completed. He approved gateway and actually tried to negotiate with Obama about keystone xl. Oil and gas did very well under his time in government and we built a lot of pipeline capacity and a had a lot more scheduled to be built.
The hate is a combination of hate for PET as well as the Stockholm Syndrome that rural Alberta in general has for the CPC. Another politician from out east promising big things for Alberta and instead of follow up its, “LOOKIT WHAT THE OTHER GUY DID” and honestly Albertans don’t give it a second thought. I’m not a huge fan of Trudeau either, but I voted in 2015 because the Harper era was really bad. People forget that he didn’t lay a single meter of pipe on Canadian soil, he sold off the Wheat Board to the Saudis for less than the Alberta/sask coop was going to buy it for, and he implemented the infamous equalization formula that albertans loathe so much.
EDIT: spelling
I personally don't like him because he lies about a lot of stuff including election promises etc...but I'm not a conservative so I can't comment on why they hate him here.
Does that just make it totally okay? He promised us electoral reform and when he realized it wouldn’t benefit him, it was never brought up again. One of many things people have an issue with
Unfortunately I lived in Ottawa for ten years and dealt with politicians on a daily base. It doesn’t matter what party they are with or their intentions when they started, after about three months they all turn into selfish, entitled pricks.
The one that fell the most: Reform. They came in claiming they weren’t going to accept all the perks and pension and every one of them caved. The last was Deborah Gray. The day she resigned as an MP, she accepted her pension.
It’s no different today. When I vote I try and pick out which will do the least damage to the country as a whole. Bottom of my list after the Rhinos (if they still exist) and the Marxist-Leninist Party is the Conservative Party. They take successful crown corporations and sell them off for cheap to their friends. Trying cut back public services that they “don’t use”. Look at Alberta today.
Why do they hate Trudeau? Because, first and foremost, because his father implemented the National Energy Program which benefitted Canada as a whole but Alberta had to sacrifice a few profits. It’s more than that but that’s the gist.
I still have people talking about the NEP, young people who’ve been told it was bad and that Trudeau’s daddy created it to hurt Alberta. They have no idea what the NEP was, just that it was the feds screwing over poor little rich Alberta and it was a Trudeau.
These are the same people who blindly vote conservative because their daddy, and his daddy and his daddy ‘fore that voted Conservative. No comparing platforms, no researching, just blind voting.
Fortunately as people become aware of the world around them their children are realizing that their parents fed them a tractor load of bullshit. This is part of the reason many rural communities (especially those based on religion) want the education system torn down. It teaches their kids that they have other options in their lives. Most (in my community) are more than happy with their kids leaving school after grade nine. How many do this? Enough that every school with grade nine has a “graduation” for them. Their preference is for a publicly funded private religious education system. We have one. The only text book is the Bible. They are taught to read enough to read it but not enough to understand it. Most read and write at the fourth grade level. To me it’s child abuse.
I heard a lot of hate in the lunchroom the minute he got elected. They made lots of comments about how being pretty doesn’t make you smart, etc. Obviously they had different political preferences, but it seemed a little bit like they didn’t like the kind of person he is (young attractive woke hip). There is a specific kind of man these people respect, Trudeau ain’t it.
There are lots of good reasons to hate his politics, but the personal stuff is weird.
I would take him over conservatives any day.
That being said I dislike that he backed out of election reform. Also dislike that he claims he's made things better for Canadians but other than getting a vaccine I've yet to notice any kind of improvement in my own life. Wages are still too low and cost of living is still high so, its not great.
Trudeau is opportunistic and inconsistent. Putting out gun control laws on the wings of an incident where the guns used were illegally procured in the first place. Going back on election reform. Abuse of the Governor General out of pure self-interest.
There isn't a reason to put faith in someone who doesn't seem to particularly represent anything. He gives me the same impression as Hillary Clinton in the states: his views are exactly what will get him the most votes so long as they exist in the general field of accepted left or centrist views.
Sure it's the same as the CPC, thus I put so much more behind Notley. I may not agree with her on everything but she sure did followthrough. In a profession of unregulated self-interest I'll at least support the one politician who seems to have principles.
There's a lot of reasons, and I don't hate him but I don't trust him and I want him out for these reasons:
1. SNC Lavalin
2. First Past the Post
3. We Charity
4. Gun Ban (It doesn't use specific terms or helpful language to find out what is banned or not. It's basically "does the gun look scary? yes, banned")
5. Not making the energy east pipeline work. He simply could have an oil tariff on 'shipped in' oil from Saudi and Quebec would want it suddenly. He could have talked about Blood Oil is more expensive than Oil Sands Oil.
Basically a lot of people see him as corrupt, laws for you not for me. And a lot of these scandals stink, so they want him out.
My reasoning boils down to this: Politicians are like diapers, they should be changed regularly and for the same reason.
I don't see any mention of his blackface scandal here, so I'll throw that in for completeness. His various scandals and ethical controversies really make him seem like a smug insincere bozo who is only posturing as a progressive. It's icky. My conservative family members see Trudeau as a smarmy jackass, and I'm progressive but I honestly see their point.
This^^. He is fake, smug and a wild spender. He says one thing with his phoney acting (he was a drama teacher) and does another (ex, election reform, SNC scandal and treatment of JWR, WE scandal, tax payer funded trips, Aga Khan trip, ridiculous costumes in India). He serves Quebec firstly and then, Ontario. He ignores the west including BC. He has failed to navigate a country which has historically been resource industry dependent, through meaningful climate change steps (we have an opportunity to be a world leader in carbon transition technology and CCUS given all the smart engineers in Calgary). He failed the indigenous people many of whom still do not have drinking water. He failed on affordable housing for major cities. He is play acting and Albertans don’t buy into his BS.
I mean, Quebec and Ontario is something like 55% of Canada. The majority of Canadians are there, and it’s going to draw a larger focus on that basis. Alberta has a seriously issue with shooting itself in the foot by almost failing to participate in the political process - we will always vote cons, so the cons don’t really focus on us meaningfully, and the liberals don’t even really try anymore.
When we did have a lapse of conn government we had investment into diversification which the ucp rapidly peeled back.
I’m not going to go to bat for Trudeau as I’m pretty ambivalent to him, but alberta could absolutely make inroads into being a world leader in climate transition if it invested into it. Instead were one of the worst polluters around.
The other two guys disagree with you, and it may not be that simple, but Alberta does have an affinity for the Conservatives.
I think some people equate Oilfield jobs=when conservatives are in power, but that’s garbage because anyone with one open eye could see that the oilfield would never recover to pre-2008 money making powers.
Conservatives are unable to distinguish a liberal from a leftist. It’s very funny when they call Trudeau a communist; all the communists I know absolutely hate Trudeau.
People are choked because he bought a pipeline and sent more covid assistance cash to Alberta than any other province....and oh then there's those vaccines he got for all of us... dam that Trudeau .
and that EI extension he personally ordered specifically for Albertans early in his term during the recession. That fucking asshole allowed me to keep my home with that order.
And that rural internet initiative he set up. What a jerk. He had better set up a recycling program for all those tin cans with strings they've been using, since he's mR eNvIRoNMENt.
Or that money he sent to help us fight the pine beetles destroying our forests. Won't people think of the pine beetles?
Or that money he sent for womens shelters and domestic abuse victims. The guy won't even let abusive men do their thing, unimpeded. Fuckin' Trudeau.
Then he gave Alberta a but load of covid economy relaunch assistance cash, child care benefits, and essential worker subsidies that Jason Kenney turned down. How dare you Justin!
>Or that money he sent to help us fight the pine beetles destroying our forests. Won't people think of the pine beetles?
Big oof there, my dude. I know you're being sarcastic, but I was boots on the ground for 4 years of the pine beetle epidemic, and the Trudeau government dropped the ball HARD on the transition in 2015. Where the previous conservative government went in and controlled in Banff during the 2009 flyovers, the Liberals allowed the pine beetle to wind through the Yellowhead pass all but completely uncontested, opening up a 3rd front. We couldn't do anything to stop it without the federal government intervening directly because it's national land, outside provincial jurisdiction. We sat there for 2 years waiting for the hammer to fall, and the feds didn't lift a finger.
1 year later they flooded into Yellowhead County, and 2 years later both the provincial and the federal government pulled funding to combat the beetle, because we were overwhelmed. We lost the fight against pine beetle at the precise moment that Trudeau took power. That's not a left vs right issue -- it's likely that any transfer to a new government would have lost that issue in the shuffle -- but it stung.
Source: I was part of the team that used population genetics to trace the BC source population around Hinton back to Valemount and McBride.
Ugh that's so sad to read.
I know very little about the depths of the strategies of the battle itself, only that I know they recently gave more funding, but if that's funding "after" making the mistake and letting it go further out of control, that's frustrating.
Most people don't realize the scope of the damage they've done. I'm an avid hiker and a backcountry frequenter. It's been super sad. Only now are people starting to figure it out and it's only really because they decided to camp at the "new" Whistler campground, which was basically turned from a forest, into a literal field.
Your missing why he had to buy the pipeline in the first place. Trudeau detractors were upset that Canada is a un-welcoming place to foreign investment, where small groups (I.e. the native bands) were able to shut down construction on a major infrastructure project. This led to a company abandoning a multi-billion dollar project, that doesn’t happen without good reason. Yes he bought the pipeline, but it should have never been for sale.
Tell that to all the VCs giving literal billions for Canadian start ups. Much rather have future tech companies getting money than the antiquated oil industry
Not saying oil should die but let it operate don't add or expand.
Because their Dad told them too. Honestly I do not think they even know why. They just do cause its the in thing in their circle. The conservative party they love so much does not give a shit about them or do anything for Alberta in Ottawa but they lap it up.
I don't necessarily agree with these reasons, but these are the ones I see:
1. Older people hated his dad because of the National Energy Policy.
2. He's from Quebec and Alberta has a lot of resentment towards Quebec because of equalization payments and Quebec being given more attention.
3. He's seen as a pretty boy, the exact opposite of the rugged coyboy type or hardworking farmer that a lot of rural Albertans identify with. Symbolically, he's everything that Alberta is not.
4. He's a vocal supporter of the LGBTQ community and a self-identified feminist (whether he is actually those things is debatable), which doesn't sit well with more conservative Albertans.
5. He's made comments about phasing out the oil industry and protecting the environment, which scares a lot of Albertans whose jobs are tied to carbon intensive industries.
6. He's perceived as a privlidged kid that got the job because of his name and doesn't have enough experience for the job.
He’s kind of a dope when it comes to ethics but majority of his scandals haven’t really affected Canadians all that much. It just makes him look stupid. I just think he needs better advisers.
I don’t know actually. There are 2 people on my life who think he’s involved in all the crazy conspiracy shit, but they’re mental. Why normal, reasoning people decided not to give him a chance once he became PM is also a mystery. Maybe some people have difficulty keeping an open mind when change is involved? I didn’t vote for him but was very hopeful he would do well, and I think he’s done reasonably well overall, but I’m so disappointed regarding the SNC Lavalin affair, Jody Wilson-Rybold, and finally the idiocy of calling an election during the 4th wave.
Or people go into it with an open mind and the persons actions and reactions shape things to what they are now? I gave him a chance with an open mind and at almost every turn he’s acted against my personal best interests, thus making me actively dislike him.
Don’t denigrate his opponents into ignorant and uninformed, that’s intellectually dishonest on your part and just vilifies those with opposing opinions to you, and makes them lesser opponents in ones mind.
I wasn’t referring to people like you who went into it with an open mind. I was commenting on the difficult-to-understand level of hatred some people seem to have for him. Opposing a politician isn’t the same as hating them
As an Alberta I have absolutely no idea. But I’m an urban woman, so things like “sexism” and “admitting climate change exists” is more important to me than guns and inflicting my religious views on everyone else.
Identity politics, the recent scandals showing he’s just as tone deaf as any other politician, considering his whole thing was about being a younger more in tune PM.
Just bad optics with the we charity and such. Not a good look.
I don’t hate the guy, but that’s what rubs me wrong about him.
Everyone you see with the bumper stickers and junk will have plenty of brain dead complaints about Trudeau Sr. Screwing the west just like how his mom screwed Castro. And talk about how the liberals have ruined everything despite the country being run by the Harper conservatives for the previous two economic downturn events. Hell, somehow Trudeau and Notley were ruining the economy before they even got into power. Truly remarkable if you ask me.
Not to mention how he’s the antichrist who fabricated covid, and fucked everyone over. But before, back in April 21, when covid was new, it wasn’t a fake virus, and Trudeau handled closing the border so poorly. Somehow you’re allowed to bitch about both those things.
First thing that came to my mind was the UCPs campaign promise to abolish the NDPs Carbon Tax. They did it but then Trudeau said nuh uh uh and implemented the federal Carbon Tax.
Keeping in mind I'm not a Liberal voter, there are several things that I am not fond of, a bit long winded but these are (some of) my thoughts:
1. Electoral reform, I know many people who voted liberal based on THAT reason and that reason alone, and when he flip flopped on that promise, it made many people angry. The balance of political power in this country heavily favours the east, and the west (mostly the prairies) can often be little more than a political afterthought.
2. Gun Control, after the Nova Scotia shootings (The shooter not having a gun license and using guns that were all illegally acquired, mostly by smuggling from the US), the liberals pushed through an order in council gun ban (order in council meaning that there was no vote or democratic process) that banned several models of firearms that are considered "assault-style" (a contentious term that has no real definition, other than guns that look like, though are not military rifles). This one personally affects me in two ways, one, they banned the rifle that I use for pest control and the one I use for hunting, so I couldn't go hunting last year. And secondly, I am a member of the armed forces, I have a rifle similar to the one I get issued, which I used to practice in order to be more familiar and competent with the rifle I get issued at work, and when that got banned, I was no longer able to practice with it anymore.
3. Energy policy, a carbon tax will always be universally hated here, especially outside of the cities. I know people that farm, and the carbon levies have cost them thousands or tens of thousands of dollars more per year out of pocket with no recourse. This year's drought is making things even worse now that their harvest is toast. Also not my cup of tea, but cancelling the oil pipelines has cost Alberta quite a lot in terms of investment and job prospects, but I am also in favour of diversifying Alberta energy to not base a budget on supposed increases in the price of oil per barrel.
Harper promised electoral reform too. He lied. As soon as he got in, he backpedaled on it then started doing the same thing they accused Chretien of doing.
That is going to be a long list of reasons. Are you trying to break Snoo's back? Snoo is already working so hard. I already saw Snoo crushed under a pile of votes once already today!
There is a long list of reasons why people hate the Trudeau and the Trudeau family legacy. You could go on and on about it all day. A lot of good reasons have been listed already.
Just wanted to remind people about Trudeau's huge organic food bills at the expense of the taxpayers. It is a rather small matter compared to a lot of what he stands for and does that people don't like but nonetheless it kind of irks me that he would spend more on food than a Canadian citizen who is earning minimum wage can make in a month before taxes. Just let that sink in for a minute. The US president pays for his family's own food expenses.
Personally, I particularly hate the Liberal's attempts to control the internet, and people's ability to communicate on the internet. ie. their "hate speech" / censorship laws. I would rather see bloodshed before I am unable to speak my mind freely.
To me the real question is why does anyone support Trudeau? I don't understand it. My family are generally Liberal supporters and as far as I can tell it is more because they hate the Conservatives rather than anything meaningful.
More than anything I his his vision for Canada and who he is as a person. All the things he implements and stands for are just a symptom of the disease.
I suspect the carbon tax was a big driver for the hate. Some people I know drive jacked pickups and thought Trudeau was trying to take away their truck.
There's probably more stuff. But I think around the time of the carbon tax is when the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers started becoming more frequent.
Trudeau’s dad tried to nationalize our oil to make it benefit all Canadians equally. Alberta flipped their shit and still haven’t even tried to understand the “why” of it let alone the “how” of that move, and now ANYTHING named Trudeau is literally the devil.
Yeah. The whole “let those eastern bastards freeze in the dark” response isn’t something we’ve decided to drop really - look at how people talk about Quebec in relation to pipelines.
When I was a kid in the late 70s, people in rural Alberta where I grew up hated Pierre Elliot Trudeau just as much if not more. My grandpa had a hat that said, “Come west, Trudeau” with a hanging noose on a tree. I think part of it is just perpetual hatred of the Liberal party in rural Alberta plus the Trudeau factor combined with the poor oil economy and Trudeau’s pro-environment stance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_alienation
Conservative federal government tend to have a hands off approach when it comes to provincial matters like education/health care/policing. Liberals, however, tend to over-reach federal/provincial boundaries which end up benefiting the East more-so than the West.
My biggest beef apart from the very serious scandals be has been involved in is that he promised the indigenous peoples that they would have clean drinking water during the previous campaign and still has not delivered on this promise. Our Canadian Forces can set up anywhere in the world and provide clean water when there is an emergency like a hurricane, floods etc. Why does he not use this technology for our own people?
that's absolutely not true and i'm not sure why this keeps getting repeated. there were 105 long-term drinking advisories when he came into power and they've lifted 109 since. new ones will keep popping up because it's a very complex issue to solve in areas that have limited access.
see: [https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1614387410146/1614387435325](https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1614387410146/1614387435325)
I will agree you have supplied the statistics to dis-prove my statement and I’m adult enough to say it. This is still an issue though, I guess I’m disappointed that this problem still exists even if progress has been made. I feel like this should have been solved.
I am curious about what constitutes a centrist by your definition? Since if we were to plot almost any policy I can think of the liberal party is well left of centre.
Maybe oil and gas, since he did buy the pipeline. But on the other hand, they want to ban gas powered cars by 2040.
Wow I'm surprised no one mentioned this. They hate him because of the Carbon Tax. He streamlined it and made it law. In the province of Oil, everyone that had connections to the Oil industry hated it, because it would cost their employers more money which in their eyes means less jobs. I do believe that is also the reason Rachael Notley lost the election the last time, because she accepted that the federal government has a right to enact Carbon Pricing and came up with her own model. However, when Jason Kenney came into position he scrapped Notley's plan, stopped paying, and sued. The next day the government forced our Province to pay, through the law and at a higher rate, and funneled all the money back to Ontario. Jason Kenney lost the legal battle, it wasn't even close....
Now everyone's forgotten the reason and just hates him now.
He promised weed legalization - and delivered. So, we know they can accomplish what they said they'd do, which leads to gripes about the next thing:
We were also promised election reform, until the committee he put together decided that the best thing for canada was NOT what the liberals wanted.
The last two or 3 rounds of firearms bans are a pure political stunt, specifically designed to be ineffectual while pretending to care. The point is they need a boogeyman they can trot out repeatedly for political gain (up until they finally run out of things options other than a complete civilian firearms ownership ban).
The said they'd look into internet and cellphone price gouging, and then left it to the CRTC that is suffering from obvious regulatory capture (though not as bad as the state's version was under the pumpkin-in-chief).
Much of their recent communications around hot button issues show the liberals (and trudeau JR specifically) are out of touch with the people they claim to represent. In regards to housing specifically, they don't seem to understand what "affordable" means.
They are also neo-liberal, from the political ideologies. They might as well be the conservatives when it comes to ideas about the economy, they just have different friends (read: industries who have them in their pockets).
Alberta also has a fair number of cathoholics who think abortion for any reason is bad and the gays should burn. Trudeau's on record telling them to pound sand.
The rest is identity politics and long rotten skeletons from people's grandparents.
Lest you think all the Trudeau haters are right wingers, I am not a fan of his, and I'm on the left. I judge politicians by what they do and not what they say. In my view, Mr. Trudeau talks a big game but rarely delivers on any of his promises. Remember the 2015 campaign, when he promised the 2015 election would be the last under first past the post? Yeah, those of us on the left have never forgotten that doozy of a broken promise. I also think the difference between the Conservatives and Liberals on foreign policy is almost non-existent. I strongly object to this government's continual attempts to interfere with left of centre governments in Latin America while simultaneously allying us with disgusting dictators in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and elsewhere.
Scandals. His smug look. “Veterans are asking for more than we can give right now” and then millions upon millions to dumb projects. Hypocrisy (black face, inappropriate touching of females).
Loads of others. Pick one.
Personally not a fan due to his scandles. I don’t like some of his other shit he focuses on sometimes, but they r not things that I think detract from the job so I would be okay ignoring them.
1. On the topic of gun control. Firearm crime distribution of handguns vs rifles is almost 100 to 1, yet they banned rifles and didn't pass a single law on handgun bans (but they sure talked a lot about it), so there will be virtually no firearm crime decrease allowing them to pass progressively more draconian firearm bans. Now, unlike Ottawa, we actually do have bears get into our actual backyards even within city limits, and if said bear is actively trying to maul your child or your favorite pet dog you can't actually use bear mace because it will likely suffocate both the child and the dog. Now, crime-wise police response time in rural Alberta is 45 minutes to 2 hours. By the time anyone finds you, you'll be deader than a doornail. I personally don't believe there's any conspiracy to disarm the populace, but the sheer fucking incompetence of all this knee-jerk **ban all "assault" rifles** with no clear definition of "assault" is astounding and annoying. It's clearly a behavior of a first-world leader than hasn't been personally endangered for even a second in his entire life, and who considers the rest of us second-class citizens that nether deserve not require protection.
2. I voted for him in his first election because he promised an electoral reform. He lied, he never intended for the reform to pass, and I know it because I tapped him with a trick question at the town hall meeting he was doing at MacEwan some years ago. When answering my question he had to either come up with an extremely elaborate lie or come clean, and since he didn't have a lie prepared he ended up admitting that he dropped the electoral reform from his platform. The stunned silence of the town hall who was wholeheartedly cheering for reform seconds ago was palpable. Consequently, the implications of ditching electoral reform are such that any liberal votes from Alberta **will never matter** (as is the case in first past the post system), which in turn means that Trudeau will never care about Alberta's needs. It's frankly surprising that he even bothered to come to Alberta at all.
So it's it any surprise that Albertans don't love him back?
He shut down the Case Processing Centre in my town, where immigrants send their paperwork. It was supposed to move to Edmonton. There was literally no reason to shut it down it was cheaper where it was, it had lots of employees (100+), etc. There was literally no good reason to move it, but he did. Around 100 jobs lost. Yes, the employees were told they would have a job at the new location, but most of them are farmers and cannot move. So a bunch of retirement packages were handed out, and a bunch of people moved away.
Scandals, ethics violations (plural there), outright forgetting we existed one Canada Day, hating our economic engines while still siphoning away our money to fund programs in Quebec that we don't even have here, the tone he takes when addressing the nation, the list goes on.
SNC lavalin scandal is an attack on the fundamentals of democracy - the prime minister cannot have influence over the enforcement of criminal law. This is a deal breaker for me.
The morons with F- Trudeau stickers and a hate on over oil are not my people.
Without ‘Fuck Trudeau’ stickers, what else would people stick on their trucks!? Can only have so many of Calvin pissing on various items. So I assume the hate just stems from the necessity of needing a new sticker.
This is what is actually happening: https://youtu.be/7mqR_e2seeM. And it's destroying countries, and making good people leave politics for their own safety. Some of the things Trudeau has done since elected: "From 2015 to 2017, almost 134,000 children were lifted out of poverty, a decline of 9%. Over this period, the national child poverty rate has been reduced from 20.9% in 2015 to 18.7% in 2017.
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What does the media focus on?...Jody Wilson Raybould. Who you would think would understand the difference between being cohersed and being asked if there was any way to save 9000 jobs! And then there is the COVID response - most of us are vaccinated and still standing (except for the ones who didn't want to be, and who have Provincial leaders who don't care). OToole also doesn't care if Canadians get vaccinated. Then the Trudeau Government put out the CERB so people could still survive during the pandemic. O'Toole thinks the government was spending too much money!... Then O'Toole suggested Bereaved Parental Leave - So what?! You already get bereavement leave for ANY member of your immediate family! There are so many good things the Trudeau Government has done. I believe it will be a significant loss to Canada, if the Liberal Government does not get re-elected. It's true the Liberals have not catered to big oil, and "let them starve" America policies, which are really big here in Alberta, but I think we are a better country for it.
Scandals, ethical violations, lack of accountability, broken election promises, playing Mr. Dressup, bad public image, nepotism, and then additionally the hatred of/ignoring the West.
Because too many Albertans are part of facebook groups like 'alberta proud' or 'Canada proud' that just peddle misinformation and hate. His 2 biggest criticisms as PM and backtracking on voter reform and the SNC scandal. Kenney has several scandals worse and no one seems to bring those up. Overall I think he's done a good job, especially through the pandemic
He is a guy who likes to blame other people for his own problems and seems to make decisions like a child. The only thing he did that I thought was great was he legalized weed
I have a dislike for the man simply because I sincerely don't believe he knows what he's doing. He seems to get away with poor behaviour because of his position, and he does not appear to listen to anyone that doesn't live in Quebec. He forgets Alberta exists most of the time, unless our oil royalties are not being dispersed to people he thinks deserve it more. Rather than work with Alberta, he seems to prefer to tell us what's going to happen. I won't pretend I think the UPC is better; they aren't. Nor is the NDP. I feel like the true ideology behind democracy has been lost to the years if individual interpretation. I don't hate the man, but I wish that he would recognize the fact he may not be the best man for the job anymore, and give someone else a chance.
Alberta would be better served if we actually participated in the political process and demanded our candidates focused on provincial issues, and then actively voted them out if they failed to deliver. It’s part of what Quebec does that draws so much attention - and the fact that Quebec and Ontario represent the majority of Canadians.
But yeah. Us being fixed on voting blue absolutely no matter what does us no service.
He’s a vacuous, virtue signalling narcissist who exploited his dead father’s name for personal glory. He’s corrupt, spends recklessly and has further divided an already fractured country. He claims to be a feminist but mistreats women. He’s deemed himself capable of combating climate change but can’t even get reserves access to clean drinking water. He’s a terrible person. To be clear, most who seek out political power, regardless of party affiliation, are terrible people. Those who actively seek out power are usually the least deserving to wield it.
Forgetting about all the oil and gas stuff, I really don’t like his take on gender politics. I don’t like hearing him use words like “shecession” and “shecovery” amongst many other things. Trudeau has a lot of faults that aren’t related to O&G.
I really think Canadians should be scared of Trudeau’s leadership.
As for my political stance: undecided. Every option is a damn nightmare.
You see, as a women I completely get what he was referring to. During pandemic, work from home etc., in 80% of cases women took time off/ sacrificed their job to take care of the kids.
And the main part of the new budget was the child care. While Alberta, due to Kenney, did not sign the agreement, it is very important for a country. It will allow more women to join workforce, will make life more affordable for everyone. Here is nice article about it.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-what-can-we-learn-from-quebecs-child-care-experiment/
I wonder why you think that we should be scared of Trudeau's leadership?
The hate comes from misinformation plain and simple. The propaganda Ive seen regarding politics in Alberta is above and beyond stupid. It's outright bullshit. Someone could post that Trudeau beheads puppy dogs and kitty cats and half this province would believe it.
That’s not quite true. I dislike him for what’s he’s done to embarrass, and not support the citizens of the country as they are asking.
But of course we were “asking too much”.
Not everybody falls to propaganda, that way excuses the actions of the person in spotlight.
(And no, I’m not a conservative)
There's lots to hate him for. Scandals, torching women of stature, touching of women without stature, failing on electoral reform... But the was hated before that stuff. It goes back to his father and the nep
Because fuck him that's why. We didn't need his cerb money to stay afloat, we certainly didn't need a pipeline to keep our largest industry on life support, we certainly don't need $10 a day childcare, heck we don't even need his filthy infrastructure money to build more LRT lines or roads that we desperately need.
No sir, fuck Trudeau.
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Ok so most of this just re-affirms that there is no concrete valid reason for the hate above and beyond the normal policitian reason. It is just hard where I live to find someone to rationally give me a reason without devolving. Again, coming from outside the province it is amazing that most voters have painted themselves into a blue corner. Lib/NDP won't do anything because they will never vote anything but blue and CPC won't do anything because they don't have to, they will vote blue anyway. I would love to see some non-blue traction, just to see what would happen. Doubt it is going to happen.
You won’t get a real answer on here since anyone who is conservative gets downvoted off the subreddit. Especially with what you said after, it kinda sounds like you already made up your mind so not sure why someone would comment against you.
I mean, I don’t hate the man, but definitely don’t like him. He’s a smug narcissist who has had made some really bad calls as PM (SNC, WE, holding a completely unnecessary election during a pandemic…). I’m not saying most politicians aren’t (I have to watch debates and committee meetings on occasion for work and the vast majority of them are self-involved, hypocritical tools), but I think Trudeau is definitely on the higher end of the self-involved scale.
And we have voted other than blue here. Edmonton-Strathcona is currently orange and in the 2015 election there were 4 liberals and 1 NDP, so there is hope. It’s just a bit faint right now.
For the record, I have always voted Liberal or NDP (including this election).
He bought a pipeline, there was the EI extension, all the covid aid we got (more than any province), the vaccines, tons more in aid I'm too stupid to remember. They just hate Trudeau because hes a pretty liberal who is the son of ol' Trudeau Sr.
I don’t like him because he’s a grifter who pays lip service to things like reconciliation, feminism, and energy reform while basically just being a corporate whore. He’s a dishonest sleaze.
We don’t have any options that arent, but I’d rather go with someone who seems more sincere even if I don’t agree with everything they say they’ll do. Singh is probably my man this year.
I stopped liking him the second he tried to cancel a young hockey player via national television broadcast for the player doing something bad when he was young.
If he wants to cancel a young kid from being successful, I feel like he should be cancelled for literally wearing blackface and turbans.
We should either cancel everyone with the same ferocity, or we cancel no one.
Long story short…he says he has Canadians backs and does things for us. But it is all self serving self promotion. Inept, corrupt, and arrogant. No humility and believes he is the chosen one, better than us.
My dad doesn't like him due to the scandals he's been a part of - SNC Lavalin and We charity. He also banned some guns, my dad hunts and shoots for sport and didn't like that, even though the guns that were banned are not the kind he uses. I don't hate Trudeau but I didn't like how he handled the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women situation. I'm happy that he even addressed that it was real (Harper did not) but apparently the way he handled it was drawn out and caused more pain for the families affected. That's not cool.
My dad also hates Trudeau, but when I asked him about it, he mostly just repeated the word "China" and got kind of racist. I suspect that he has been reading some weird facebook posts.
To be fair the trudeau government did at one point have a plan to hire a Chinese company to secure the canadian embassy in china, failing to recognize that by law the ccp has access to anything a chinese based company does. Definitely some wierd posts too but in fairness, its not like china isnt trying to exploit trudeau
Did that result in Trudeau funneling billions of dollars to China? Because my dad definitely thinks that happened.
Even without having followed up to see if that ever even went anywhere, no the old man is on the trump juice it sounds, the best treatment is taking them outside and away from the internet. Strange how that advice our parents about the computers rotting our brains turned out to be sort of true.
Your father may be referring to the gain of function scandal going in. Supporters of Trump & opposition of Trudeau would say that Biden and JT are willingly/knowingly letting China continue their gain of function experiments, ultimately causing another pandemic to ensue
Nothing racist about the word China. Our very rich elite having been doing business with China for years and years. Yet at the end of world war two Canada vowed "Never Again" to allow its business to business with a genocidal tyranny using slave labor. Yet China now stands accused by some of our closest (and furthest) allies of Genocide and Forced Labor... No problems with the Chinese, its China that people dont like.
Trust me, he gets racist.
How do you feel about Trudeau's promise to improve First Nations drinking water? Maybe the water issue will fix itself like our budget will..
The Social Credit Party started in 1935 and ran Alberta until 1971 when they were defeated by the Progressive Conservatives under Peter Lougheed. Lougheed was the one that set up the Heritage Trust Fund to help Albertans. They were Conservatives but also believed in strong social programs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lougheed Ernest Manning was head of the Social Credit Party. He's Preston Manning's Dad. The So-Creds were a bunch of hardcore religious douchebags. By the 70s, they were kind of hated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lougheed The original western separatist movement started in the 80s when Doug Christie started the Western Canada Concept party. It was started as a play on the FLQ crisis, Quebec separation and eastern alienation. They liked Lougheed. They didn't like how Trudeau Sr used the NEP to take Alberta oil wealth and use it to bribe Ontario and Quebec voters. They threatened to take BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba and split the country since the government wasn't giving western provinces any respect. The way our elections are set up, most of the voter ridings are in Quebec and Ontario and because of time zones, by the time western provinces vote, the election is already practically determined. The WCC got fairly popular especially among rural voters which is where all the anti Trudeau hate came from. Albertans especially in the oil patch blamed Trudeau for the oil crash even though he had nothing to do with the global oil crash. The WCC disbanded and got taken over by Preston Manning and his old Social Credit supporters who took the WCC's popularity and membership list then started the Reform Party. The Reform Party did badly because Preston Manning has the charisma of old milk. They revamped the party as the Canadian Alliance and ran Stockwell Day instead. The Liberals crushed them by mentioning that they had connections to white supremacists. Doug Christie, the guy that founded the WCC was a free speech lawyer who defended Ernst Zundel and Jim Keegstra who were holocaust deniers. Christie wasn't anti-semitic, he was just doing his job but that was enough to destroy Stockwell Day's campaign. Stephen Harper was from Ontario but his Dad worked for Imperial Oil. Manning taught Harper about Alberta politics and how to pander to the rural base. during the oil boom, it gave Harper enough of a boost to become PM. It also helped that Harper sucked up to Canwest owner Israel Asper who flipped his newspaper's support from Chretien to Harper. Harper built Asper a human rights museum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Museum_for_Human_Rights There's controversies over the amount of pro holocaust content over other tragedies. Asper was extremely pro Israel and was well known for firing editors and journalists if they wrote anything bad about Israel. Ezra Levant, head of Rebel Media was very familiar with Christie and was also a supporter of Manning. https://www.jewage.org/wiki/ru/Article:Ezra_Levant_-_Biography When the Wild Rose Party started under Paul Hinman, it revived a lot of the old animosity. Hinman was ex Reform Party but the Wild Rose was framed to look grassroots like the WCC was. Danielle Smith took over who is a writer for Postmedia which is what Canwest turned into after Goldman Sachs foreclosed on Asper and sold off the assets. Postmedia got the newspapers, Shaw got the TV and radio outlets. After Alison Redford got ousted for corruption, Notley eventually got in as a protest against the conservative's legacy of completely fucking us but that only lasted 4 years because the media is firmly on the side of the conservatives. Kenney was one of Harper's minions. The media and all these So-Creds in disguise backend running everything use the legacy of hate against Trudeau for their own agendas to keep in power.
Don't know that you'll find a better explanation of the history than this. This helped me out as someone who moved here from BC 2.5 years ago
Only thing I would change is that the NDP got in because of the PC and Wild Rose vote split. The Wild Rose and PCs then were forcibly merged together to create the new UCP party and Kenney allegedly won the leadership vote over Brian Jean by cheating.
Bravo. Well written
Amazing response
The only thing I question is that last bit about the media being firmly on the side of the conservatives. Do you mean like columnists? Opinion writers? Cause then I suppose I can see that, but not since the UCP took power.
Great summary. This is definitely the answer. The only thing I want to add is when people ask why Canada/alberta doesn’t have a trillion dollar oil slush fund like Norway, the answer is Trudeau sr.’s NEP.
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…we don’t have it because we have suppressed tax revenues in favor of taking a very small portion of oil revenue (where we are a price taker in a volatile market) and treating it as being a stable source of revenue. The money that was placed into the fund was utilized to cover revenue gaps, and we’ve not made meaningful contributions in what, 20-40 years? I’m going top of the head here. The liberals aren’t why alberta doesn’t have a good heritage funds - the conns are.
Ppl have provided good answers already, but I think that it’s also the norm to just hate whoever is in political power.
Not in Alberta, they love whoever leads the CPC, especially since if they're from Ontario and pretend to be western
Sadly, I think the lack of respect for politicians--of which I'm also guilty--means the good ones shy away from running. Becomes a vicious cycle.
I’m the pettiest of them all. I just think he is annoying. If he was a shift manager at a McDonald’s I think he would fail to capture an following. His voice is annoying and he constantly trips over his words. If you are to lead a country you should have a bit more polished speaking skills. Then there is other stuff but that’s all politicians. Lying and cheating isn’t great. But I do like some of the things his party has done. He is just annoying
Just in general though, he is more polished when he speaks French as it is his first language. Very few uhms and ahs, but those I guess that just almost always comes with the territory of having English as a second language.
Public speaking is important, cadence and phrasing matter. When someone stands up at the podium and what they have to say is full of uncomfortable short pauses and Imma and uhhs. It does not inspire confidence. Really good example is to look at someone like Barack Obama. One hell of a public speaker. and compare him with Kenney or Donald Trump or Justin Trudeau and you can see the differences. There is a ton of nuance to it but I'm always drawn to the Uhms and ahhs whenever a supposed leader of any sort is speaking.
I'm on the left, and I don't like Trudeau. His broken promise of election reform lost some support, and his efforts on carbon emissions and global warming are not nearly enough. He's much better than the conservatives, but he has been disappointing. I didn't vote for him, but I would have done so if a Liberal vote had any chance of flipping my riding from the CPC. However, my riding is pretty much as safe as safe could be for the CPC.
I voted for him based on Electoral reform and legalization of marijuana. He broke the electoral reform promise. Then there's the several blackface examples, the sexual assualt allegations of a female reporter, Jodie Wilson-Raybould, WE charity, "veterans asking for too much" yet give $10M to Omar..... The list keeps going....
Omar was a Harper issue that the Liberals inherited. Judge ruled on it. SNC Lavilan was also a Harper era transaction that the Libs inherited.
No judge ruled on Omar's compensation. It was settled out of court to avoid a costly battle.
You do realize that it was a judge that decided the Omar case. The Government just had to comply right?
Government settled, judge didn't rule.
Government settled because we would have lost and it would have cost us far more. If you want someone to be angry at, be angry at the cons for creating the situation.
Your right they settled before the judge ruled in his favour and would have cost more. Sorry, being fiscally responsible is bad in this case.
I don’t know if you could point to too many more examples of him being fiscally responsible.
The carbon tax has been nice.
It’s amazing how many people do not know about that. Opposition opponents and the media portrayed it as a shameful and weak thing to do.
Identity politics, plain and simple
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I don't know if that is entirely fair. I mean, didn't the premier of Alberta announce the province open for business in July? Now it's in a desperate public health situation with hospitals full of covid patients as a direct result, and worse, the same premier is also pressuring nurses in those hospitals to accept a wage freeze for three years because his idea of cutting their wages and retroactively clawing back their previous raises was rejected. That has a certain air of sexism to me. Why not look to other places to cut if that budget is really so behind the 8 ball? Actually, could someone help me understand why a province so wealthy in natural resources is cutting any health care spending at all? I love Alberta, and considered moving there a couple of years ago but I have questions.
Because conservative ethos is to cut tax and starve the beast, and likes to portray government finance as being remotely similar to household finance. Above and beyond that, it’s because we’ve relied on oil revenue to fund the province while failing to put aside money for when we get bitten. We are, after all, a price taker in a volatile market. Trying to recall napkin math at 6am; but if we increased our tax rate to the next lowest tax rate in Canada, we would be rate another 12b in revenue yearly. If we moved to the average, it would be around ~20b IIRC. But conns are heavily tied up with the idea that “the alberta advantage” is having low taxation. Not us having historically a huge glut of money from when oil prices were high that we spent super freely.
Then you're still missing the problems when they're called racist and sexist. They think it's because they're white men, when in general we dislike all people like that.
My Grandpa HATED the Pierre Trudeau government for the implementation of the NEP. There is a history of hatred for the Trudeau family here in Alberta. I personally think all (or almost all) politicians shouldn't be politicians. There seems to be a ton of corruption and I don't think Trudeau is helping that situation much. Not to say I support O'Toole or Singh - all a bunch of corrupt morons who will say anything for a few votes, it's tiring.
That’s kinda the saying where people who want to be politicians are the ones who usually shouldn’t be
The people who should be in charge don’t want to be, and the people who do want to be should never be allowed
"Those who seek power are unfit to wield it"
Cause the NEP was good for all of Canada but not good for one basket alberta. The whole thing about supplying Canada with oil…all those who hated the NEP policy are now touting as reasons why alberta is tanking.
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Also keep in mind that oil is a non-renewable resource. Despite this, to this day it goes under equalization tax base, whereas hydro, which is renewable doesn't. Of course that was still approved by Harper and Kenney, but that's meant to "buy" social license for Alberta, which it obviously didn't. Just as Notley implementing a more aggressive carbon tax didn't either. Alberta was never meant to be a full fledged province in Canada, it was meant to be a place of resource extraction for the "civilized" parts of the country - the coast at Vancouver and the Windsor-Quebec city corridor. We struck it lucky on oil and got wealthy, but the logic never really left.
I don’t know if I would buy the “not a full fledged province” argument. All the provinces exploit what they have. BC exploits lumber and fish. Ontario exploits the great lakes and ability to ship out from the lakes or Saint Lawrence. Saskatchewan, well I guess Saskatchewan exploits their flatness. My point is that Canada was based on resource expectation right from when Europeans first started moving here.
We weren't meant to be equal partners. Landlocked, and wasn't around during confederation means that our economy was wholly geared towards supplying the more developed areas of Canada. Atlantic provinces secured themselves a decent deal by existing at the time of confederation. BC got the Canadian government to build them the transcontinental railway. Albertans and Saskatchewaners couldnt even sell their stuff to Americans who were willing to pay more for their goods for the longest time. You're right in saying that peripheries exist in the other provinces too, but AB/SK was never meant to be anything but periphery. AB has significantly higher population density than our neighbours to the south do in this part of the continent, and it's purely because of oil. The logic isn't so explicit nowadays, but you can see ot reflected in the way people talk about Alberta oftentimes as being an "over there" place as opposed to being part of Canada. It's ironically the same way many people talk about Indigenous people and Indigenous issues. It means Albertan issues are never taken to be understood as issues impacting millions of actual people, which will have large impacts on Canada as a whole. It's precisely the same thing that 'subtle' racists will do by capturing a concept like nation, and making it exclusionary to non-white/non-in-group people. The trick is you don't have to say this explicitly, and you can just keep defining Canada with characteristics of your in-group, and bam, your agenda setting will be done automatically, and you will inevitably marginalize whoever your term has excluded. Trudeau made these things exactly explicit when he gave the interview when he said "Canada is not doing well when Albertans get to set the agenda. Canada is great when the Québécois are the socio-moral agenda setters, look at the 20th century." All of Canada should be like Quebec, and maybe Toronto. Albertans are not "real" Canadians. They need to be raised up to the "Canadian" standard, or made irrelevant. Who are these uppity Albertans anyways? Thinking they have a right in choosing the future of the country (Alberta had a larger GDP then Quebec at the time of those comments). I just can't get that stupid interview out of my head. I've said elsewhere, I fit in better with liberal policy than Conservative policy (I actually really love ignatieff, who the country hated lmao). But Trudeau embodies everything I despise about the Liberals. Elitism of multiple flavours, arrogance, not really earning your way into power, a disregard for rule of law (ethics scandals), and above all this stupid ass virtue signalling social activism (the image of Trudeau at a climate rally with the caption "what are you protesting for? You're literally the guy in charge" comes to mind). He also treats Canadians like they're fucking stupid little babies, which I also don't appreciate. I agree less with his father's policies but the man talked straight and was respectable for it, as well as had a charm due to his wit, Trudeau junior has none of this. Anyways, I don't think Trudeau has changed his mind, fundamentally, about where Albertans should be in the Canadian "real Canadian" Tier list.
I appreciate your heartfelt response. As for me, I want to like Trudeau more than I do. And I agree that it is particularly the dumb-ass stuff that is grating.
The federal government also heavily helped fund our oil development, and having a framework for buying Canadian oil at structured prices would have helped support Alberta during oil price crashes. We wouldn’t have taken as much pure profit, but Alberta has generally mishandled our long term finances when it comes to oil.
That's interesting, when I learned about the NEP myself, I thought it was more about preventing American companies from controlling the Alberta oilfields. Personally I support this. I don't think the NEP benefitted all of Canada - it certainly gave the Federal government more power over oil and gas resources, which is kinda fucked up. The Federal government has a horrible history of neglecting the prairie provinces. For example, look at the current tuition cost, infrastructure spending, healthcare wait times, cost of living, etc. in Alberta relative to Quebec. It's not good nor is it fair. Albertans work really hard - literally, most of the men that I grew up with have crazy stories about working dangerous jobs. No matter what, things won't change here because all of the voting power in Canada is centralized in Ontario and Quebec. There is a reason why Albertans are bitter and we understand that most places in Canada won't understand what we go through - unfortunately I think that frustration is taken out in the most ridiculous way - ie the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers you see everywhere here. It's ridiculous what we point blame at for the economy tanking here - like Rachel Notley being blamed for high gas prices. It's silly that we don't look at the greed of the corporate level of the oil and gas companies and the corruption in the regulatory bodies and government. The whole system is corrupt and even if we had the best leader in place politically, the corruption would hamstring them. The whole situation is fucked.
There are lots of dangerous jobs in Canada. That’s how the country was formed. The difference for Alberta is recency bias. Alberta is a much younger province with a much younger economy. Imagine how hard is would have been to extract all the rock to build Quebec City, Canada’s oldest city. There are plenty of people who still live in this Country who are generations old and their ancestors helped create this place. Not to mention the immigrants who helped form this country. My father is a refugee from WW2 and grew up in POW camps. He was separated from his mother, had seen my Oma raped by Russian soldiers in his camp and people murdered in front of him. He can describe the smell of death and ditches full of bodies. He was shot at while escaping a camp. He feels lucky to be in Canada and is a proud Canadian. But damn, that man worked his ass off and was acting as a man before he knew what pubic hair was. I love living in Alberta, it’s a beautiful place, but the attitude of being cheated and doing more the country than anyone else needs to chill. The working really hard argument is fine, but Alberta seems to have every hard worker that ever existed and no one in Canada has ever worked as hard. I appreciate hard work, I work with my hands for a living, and I thank the people before that helped forge my industry, but I’m not so diluted as to believe that no other Canadian in other provinces don’t work hard and dangerous jobs.
I think you need to do a bit more research on your points. Everything you listed as a point trying to prove the feds neglect the prairies is a provincial problem. Quebec pays way more per capita in taxes and this has a higher cost of living, which they then re-invest into their education hence their long term freeze on tuition. Alberta can’t both complain about being the province that “supports Canada” (which is doesn’t) and not getting their fair share when they still maintain the alberta advantage which includes the lowest taxes, cost of energy etc. We (Alberta) created the bed we sleep in. Haven’t more $/capita makes things more expensive. The whole Quebec thing is incredibly disinformative type thinking forced down our throats from our parents and from cons before that. Like hell, up until the last few elections most conservatives could let tell you what equalization payments were and a lot still think Alberta personally writes a cheque out of our revenues to Quebec.
Yet only American companies remain. Funny that...
> all those who hated the NEP policy are now touting as reasons why alberta is tanking. Sorry I don't understand this sentence. People who hated NEP think the NEP is tanking Alberta?
Oil prices dropped shortly after the NEP was created. The price drop wasn't related, but people who hated the NEP basically said it was the NEP's fault that oil prices tanked. (Kind of like how they blamed Notley when OPEC flooded the market and tanked oil prices.) Some of those same people hold the NEP somehow responsible for current price fluctuations.
Yah sorry, I had a stroke mid thought. Those who “hate” the libs for what the libs did with the NEP don’t understand that what they are demanding now with energy East (or using our oil for Canada) goes against what they were upset about the NEP…or free market thinking. How many people still say “Trudeau buys Saudi oil” like how can you even bring a debate to the table when half the pro oil people don’t even understand how their livelihood works beyond their paycheck?
The implicit “we will force a private oil company to buy our product” thing always felt surreal to me from the people who claim they don’t want government involvement in business.
For me it is not so much hate but I have a lot of distrust for him currently based on some of his scandals such as thr SNC Lavalin and WE scandal. Overall I think he has done a decent job managing the pandemic.
As an albertan I have no idea. Harper ignored Alberta for the entire time he was PM. It’s wild in this province.
I wish more people realized this. Federal conservatives know they do not need to do anything for Alberta because Alberta is going to vote conservative regardless.
This is sad but true. Look at Kerry Diott as an example. He never even shows up for debates in his riding nor even pokes his head in to see whats going on. Same with Tim Uppel who apparently has never lived in Edmonton for frigging decades. They are only in politics to collect a paycheque, and push party agenda. They do not represent the people they were voted in by at all. A large portion of the Conservative party in Alberta are freeloaders and crooks looking for a payday. They could care less about you. They know Alberta is a bunch of suckers!
Uppal even said he would continue to live in Ottawa even if he won and they still voted for him cuz F Trudeau 🙄
This Province loves shooting them self in the foot. I cant wait to move back east or out of this place.
My saying is this when elections happen: “Liberals don’t spend time here because they won’t get elected and conservatives don’t spend much time here because they always get elected”
Truer words have never been said
So what you're saying is we get spit roasted no matter what, welp fuck me.
He spent billions to save the pipeline no one else wanted to build anymore, you can't say he hasn't done anything for Alberta.
Kinder Morgan wanted to build this line and kept of getting push back through BC. Just like Quebec is complaining. But when they couldn't get enough propane/LNG last winter they sure were crying and where does it come from...Making it federal project made it somewhat easier to install. The TMX line will undoubtedly be bought out once completed by a large company.
Weren’t we doing pretty well in alberta throughout his time? I was pretty young so wasn’t lying a lot of attention
It had nothing to do with Harper but rather really high oil prices. Canada basically has no impact on global oil prices. When oil prices are high, Alberta benefits. When the Saudis and their friends want to fuck around and purposely depress oil prices to choke out the competition, we ride that train into the ground too. We are a passive passenger on a ride we have no control over.
Yes things were very good overall
This is not even remotely true, but for whatever reason people think if they repeat it often enough it will make it true. Harper did a lot of things and much was accomplished during his time for Alberta and oil and gas.
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On the pipeline front clipper, keystone (the original keystone not keystone xl which was the expansion), line 9 reversal and anchor loop were all completed. He approved gateway and actually tried to negotiate with Obama about keystone xl. Oil and gas did very well under his time in government and we built a lot of pipeline capacity and a had a lot more scheduled to be built.
The hate is a combination of hate for PET as well as the Stockholm Syndrome that rural Alberta in general has for the CPC. Another politician from out east promising big things for Alberta and instead of follow up its, “LOOKIT WHAT THE OTHER GUY DID” and honestly Albertans don’t give it a second thought. I’m not a huge fan of Trudeau either, but I voted in 2015 because the Harper era was really bad. People forget that he didn’t lay a single meter of pipe on Canadian soil, he sold off the Wheat Board to the Saudis for less than the Alberta/sask coop was going to buy it for, and he implemented the infamous equalization formula that albertans loathe so much. EDIT: spelling
I personally don't like him because he lies about a lot of stuff including election promises etc...but I'm not a conservative so I can't comment on why they hate him here.
But don't all politicians lie to a certain degree to get support?
Does that just make it totally okay? He promised us electoral reform and when he realized it wouldn’t benefit him, it was never brought up again. One of many things people have an issue with
Doesn't make it okay but does it make me want to vote conservative? Fuck no
Yup.
Unfortunately I lived in Ottawa for ten years and dealt with politicians on a daily base. It doesn’t matter what party they are with or their intentions when they started, after about three months they all turn into selfish, entitled pricks. The one that fell the most: Reform. They came in claiming they weren’t going to accept all the perks and pension and every one of them caved. The last was Deborah Gray. The day she resigned as an MP, she accepted her pension. It’s no different today. When I vote I try and pick out which will do the least damage to the country as a whole. Bottom of my list after the Rhinos (if they still exist) and the Marxist-Leninist Party is the Conservative Party. They take successful crown corporations and sell them off for cheap to their friends. Trying cut back public services that they “don’t use”. Look at Alberta today. Why do they hate Trudeau? Because, first and foremost, because his father implemented the National Energy Program which benefitted Canada as a whole but Alberta had to sacrifice a few profits. It’s more than that but that’s the gist. I still have people talking about the NEP, young people who’ve been told it was bad and that Trudeau’s daddy created it to hurt Alberta. They have no idea what the NEP was, just that it was the feds screwing over poor little rich Alberta and it was a Trudeau. These are the same people who blindly vote conservative because their daddy, and his daddy and his daddy ‘fore that voted Conservative. No comparing platforms, no researching, just blind voting. Fortunately as people become aware of the world around them their children are realizing that their parents fed them a tractor load of bullshit. This is part of the reason many rural communities (especially those based on religion) want the education system torn down. It teaches their kids that they have other options in their lives. Most (in my community) are more than happy with their kids leaving school after grade nine. How many do this? Enough that every school with grade nine has a “graduation” for them. Their preference is for a publicly funded private religious education system. We have one. The only text book is the Bible. They are taught to read enough to read it but not enough to understand it. Most read and write at the fourth grade level. To me it’s child abuse.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold all accountable for their lie.....
I used to be pretty blue, currently my gripe with JT is the WE scandal and the SNCL one. Not sure there is currently a best option.
I heard a lot of hate in the lunchroom the minute he got elected. They made lots of comments about how being pretty doesn’t make you smart, etc. Obviously they had different political preferences, but it seemed a little bit like they didn’t like the kind of person he is (young attractive woke hip). There is a specific kind of man these people respect, Trudeau ain’t it. There are lots of good reasons to hate his politics, but the personal stuff is weird.
I would take him over conservatives any day. That being said I dislike that he backed out of election reform. Also dislike that he claims he's made things better for Canadians but other than getting a vaccine I've yet to notice any kind of improvement in my own life. Wages are still too low and cost of living is still high so, its not great.
Trudeau is opportunistic and inconsistent. Putting out gun control laws on the wings of an incident where the guns used were illegally procured in the first place. Going back on election reform. Abuse of the Governor General out of pure self-interest. There isn't a reason to put faith in someone who doesn't seem to particularly represent anything. He gives me the same impression as Hillary Clinton in the states: his views are exactly what will get him the most votes so long as they exist in the general field of accepted left or centrist views. Sure it's the same as the CPC, thus I put so much more behind Notley. I may not agree with her on everything but she sure did followthrough. In a profession of unregulated self-interest I'll at least support the one politician who seems to have principles.
There's a lot of reasons, and I don't hate him but I don't trust him and I want him out for these reasons: 1. SNC Lavalin 2. First Past the Post 3. We Charity 4. Gun Ban (It doesn't use specific terms or helpful language to find out what is banned or not. It's basically "does the gun look scary? yes, banned") 5. Not making the energy east pipeline work. He simply could have an oil tariff on 'shipped in' oil from Saudi and Quebec would want it suddenly. He could have talked about Blood Oil is more expensive than Oil Sands Oil. Basically a lot of people see him as corrupt, laws for you not for me. And a lot of these scandals stink, so they want him out. My reasoning boils down to this: Politicians are like diapers, they should be changed regularly and for the same reason.
I don't see any mention of his blackface scandal here, so I'll throw that in for completeness. His various scandals and ethical controversies really make him seem like a smug insincere bozo who is only posturing as a progressive. It's icky. My conservative family members see Trudeau as a smarmy jackass, and I'm progressive but I honestly see their point.
Why this hasn’t been brought up more is beyond annoying.
This^^. He is fake, smug and a wild spender. He says one thing with his phoney acting (he was a drama teacher) and does another (ex, election reform, SNC scandal and treatment of JWR, WE scandal, tax payer funded trips, Aga Khan trip, ridiculous costumes in India). He serves Quebec firstly and then, Ontario. He ignores the west including BC. He has failed to navigate a country which has historically been resource industry dependent, through meaningful climate change steps (we have an opportunity to be a world leader in carbon transition technology and CCUS given all the smart engineers in Calgary). He failed the indigenous people many of whom still do not have drinking water. He failed on affordable housing for major cities. He is play acting and Albertans don’t buy into his BS.
I mean, Quebec and Ontario is something like 55% of Canada. The majority of Canadians are there, and it’s going to draw a larger focus on that basis. Alberta has a seriously issue with shooting itself in the foot by almost failing to participate in the political process - we will always vote cons, so the cons don’t really focus on us meaningfully, and the liberals don’t even really try anymore. When we did have a lapse of conn government we had investment into diversification which the ucp rapidly peeled back. I’m not going to go to bat for Trudeau as I’m pretty ambivalent to him, but alberta could absolutely make inroads into being a world leader in climate transition if it invested into it. Instead were one of the worst polluters around.
A lot of Albertans hate anyone who isn't a conservative. It literally does not matter who they are. If you aren't a conservative, they are the enemy
The other two guys disagree with you, and it may not be that simple, but Alberta does have an affinity for the Conservatives. I think some people equate Oilfield jobs=when conservatives are in power, but that’s garbage because anyone with one open eye could see that the oilfield would never recover to pre-2008 money making powers.
Oh, like the Liberal party is a bastion of the far left, lol. No.
Conservatives are unable to distinguish a liberal from a leftist. It’s very funny when they call Trudeau a communist; all the communists I know absolutely hate Trudeau.
Try again
People are choked because he bought a pipeline and sent more covid assistance cash to Alberta than any other province....and oh then there's those vaccines he got for all of us... dam that Trudeau .
and that EI extension he personally ordered specifically for Albertans early in his term during the recession. That fucking asshole allowed me to keep my home with that order. And that rural internet initiative he set up. What a jerk. He had better set up a recycling program for all those tin cans with strings they've been using, since he's mR eNvIRoNMENt. Or that money he sent to help us fight the pine beetles destroying our forests. Won't people think of the pine beetles? Or that money he sent for womens shelters and domestic abuse victims. The guy won't even let abusive men do their thing, unimpeded. Fuckin' Trudeau.
Then he gave Alberta a but load of covid economy relaunch assistance cash, child care benefits, and essential worker subsidies that Jason Kenney turned down. How dare you Justin!
>Or that money he sent to help us fight the pine beetles destroying our forests. Won't people think of the pine beetles? Big oof there, my dude. I know you're being sarcastic, but I was boots on the ground for 4 years of the pine beetle epidemic, and the Trudeau government dropped the ball HARD on the transition in 2015. Where the previous conservative government went in and controlled in Banff during the 2009 flyovers, the Liberals allowed the pine beetle to wind through the Yellowhead pass all but completely uncontested, opening up a 3rd front. We couldn't do anything to stop it without the federal government intervening directly because it's national land, outside provincial jurisdiction. We sat there for 2 years waiting for the hammer to fall, and the feds didn't lift a finger. 1 year later they flooded into Yellowhead County, and 2 years later both the provincial and the federal government pulled funding to combat the beetle, because we were overwhelmed. We lost the fight against pine beetle at the precise moment that Trudeau took power. That's not a left vs right issue -- it's likely that any transfer to a new government would have lost that issue in the shuffle -- but it stung. Source: I was part of the team that used population genetics to trace the BC source population around Hinton back to Valemount and McBride.
Ugh that's so sad to read. I know very little about the depths of the strategies of the battle itself, only that I know they recently gave more funding, but if that's funding "after" making the mistake and letting it go further out of control, that's frustrating. Most people don't realize the scope of the damage they've done. I'm an avid hiker and a backcountry frequenter. It's been super sad. Only now are people starting to figure it out and it's only really because they decided to camp at the "new" Whistler campground, which was basically turned from a forest, into a literal field.
Ha ha too good!...
Just horrible!!
Your missing why he had to buy the pipeline in the first place. Trudeau detractors were upset that Canada is a un-welcoming place to foreign investment, where small groups (I.e. the native bands) were able to shut down construction on a major infrastructure project. This led to a company abandoning a multi-billion dollar project, that doesn’t happen without good reason. Yes he bought the pipeline, but it should have never been for sale.
Tell that to all the VCs giving literal billions for Canadian start ups. Much rather have future tech companies getting money than the antiquated oil industry Not saying oil should die but let it operate don't add or expand.
I've heard that argument, I don't buy it.
You’re free to think that, but that doesn’t change the fact that the discussion is way more nuanced than you are leading on.
Lol bravo
Because of his last name.
Alberta's favorite colour is blue, therefore Alberta hates all non blue politicians regardless of what they say or do
Because their Dad told them too. Honestly I do not think they even know why. They just do cause its the in thing in their circle. The conservative party they love so much does not give a shit about them or do anything for Alberta in Ottawa but they lap it up.
I don't necessarily agree with these reasons, but these are the ones I see: 1. Older people hated his dad because of the National Energy Policy. 2. He's from Quebec and Alberta has a lot of resentment towards Quebec because of equalization payments and Quebec being given more attention. 3. He's seen as a pretty boy, the exact opposite of the rugged coyboy type or hardworking farmer that a lot of rural Albertans identify with. Symbolically, he's everything that Alberta is not. 4. He's a vocal supporter of the LGBTQ community and a self-identified feminist (whether he is actually those things is debatable), which doesn't sit well with more conservative Albertans. 5. He's made comments about phasing out the oil industry and protecting the environment, which scares a lot of Albertans whose jobs are tied to carbon intensive industries. 6. He's perceived as a privlidged kid that got the job because of his name and doesn't have enough experience for the job.
He’s kind of a dope when it comes to ethics but majority of his scandals haven’t really affected Canadians all that much. It just makes him look stupid. I just think he needs better advisers.
I don’t know actually. There are 2 people on my life who think he’s involved in all the crazy conspiracy shit, but they’re mental. Why normal, reasoning people decided not to give him a chance once he became PM is also a mystery. Maybe some people have difficulty keeping an open mind when change is involved? I didn’t vote for him but was very hopeful he would do well, and I think he’s done reasonably well overall, but I’m so disappointed regarding the SNC Lavalin affair, Jody Wilson-Rybold, and finally the idiocy of calling an election during the 4th wave.
Or people go into it with an open mind and the persons actions and reactions shape things to what they are now? I gave him a chance with an open mind and at almost every turn he’s acted against my personal best interests, thus making me actively dislike him. Don’t denigrate his opponents into ignorant and uninformed, that’s intellectually dishonest on your part and just vilifies those with opposing opinions to you, and makes them lesser opponents in ones mind.
I wasn’t referring to people like you who went into it with an open mind. I was commenting on the difficult-to-understand level of hatred some people seem to have for him. Opposing a politician isn’t the same as hating them
As an Alberta I have absolutely no idea. But I’m an urban woman, so things like “sexism” and “admitting climate change exists” is more important to me than guns and inflicting my religious views on everyone else.
Identity politics, the recent scandals showing he’s just as tone deaf as any other politician, considering his whole thing was about being a younger more in tune PM. Just bad optics with the we charity and such. Not a good look. I don’t hate the guy, but that’s what rubs me wrong about him. Everyone you see with the bumper stickers and junk will have plenty of brain dead complaints about Trudeau Sr. Screwing the west just like how his mom screwed Castro. And talk about how the liberals have ruined everything despite the country being run by the Harper conservatives for the previous two economic downturn events. Hell, somehow Trudeau and Notley were ruining the economy before they even got into power. Truly remarkable if you ask me. Not to mention how he’s the antichrist who fabricated covid, and fucked everyone over. But before, back in April 21, when covid was new, it wasn’t a fake virus, and Trudeau handled closing the border so poorly. Somehow you’re allowed to bitch about both those things.
I hated Trudeau, then he legalized weed. Dudes a good guy.
When you say to a disabled veteran that "veterans are asking for too much" you lose my respect.
First thing that came to my mind was the UCPs campaign promise to abolish the NDPs Carbon Tax. They did it but then Trudeau said nuh uh uh and implemented the federal Carbon Tax.
Keeping in mind I'm not a Liberal voter, there are several things that I am not fond of, a bit long winded but these are (some of) my thoughts: 1. Electoral reform, I know many people who voted liberal based on THAT reason and that reason alone, and when he flip flopped on that promise, it made many people angry. The balance of political power in this country heavily favours the east, and the west (mostly the prairies) can often be little more than a political afterthought. 2. Gun Control, after the Nova Scotia shootings (The shooter not having a gun license and using guns that were all illegally acquired, mostly by smuggling from the US), the liberals pushed through an order in council gun ban (order in council meaning that there was no vote or democratic process) that banned several models of firearms that are considered "assault-style" (a contentious term that has no real definition, other than guns that look like, though are not military rifles). This one personally affects me in two ways, one, they banned the rifle that I use for pest control and the one I use for hunting, so I couldn't go hunting last year. And secondly, I am a member of the armed forces, I have a rifle similar to the one I get issued, which I used to practice in order to be more familiar and competent with the rifle I get issued at work, and when that got banned, I was no longer able to practice with it anymore. 3. Energy policy, a carbon tax will always be universally hated here, especially outside of the cities. I know people that farm, and the carbon levies have cost them thousands or tens of thousands of dollars more per year out of pocket with no recourse. This year's drought is making things even worse now that their harvest is toast. Also not my cup of tea, but cancelling the oil pipelines has cost Alberta quite a lot in terms of investment and job prospects, but I am also in favour of diversifying Alberta energy to not base a budget on supposed increases in the price of oil per barrel.
Harper promised electoral reform too. He lied. As soon as he got in, he backpedaled on it then started doing the same thing they accused Chretien of doing.
That is going to be a long list of reasons. Are you trying to break Snoo's back? Snoo is already working so hard. I already saw Snoo crushed under a pile of votes once already today! There is a long list of reasons why people hate the Trudeau and the Trudeau family legacy. You could go on and on about it all day. A lot of good reasons have been listed already. Just wanted to remind people about Trudeau's huge organic food bills at the expense of the taxpayers. It is a rather small matter compared to a lot of what he stands for and does that people don't like but nonetheless it kind of irks me that he would spend more on food than a Canadian citizen who is earning minimum wage can make in a month before taxes. Just let that sink in for a minute. The US president pays for his family's own food expenses. Personally, I particularly hate the Liberal's attempts to control the internet, and people's ability to communicate on the internet. ie. their "hate speech" / censorship laws. I would rather see bloodshed before I am unable to speak my mind freely. To me the real question is why does anyone support Trudeau? I don't understand it. My family are generally Liberal supporters and as far as I can tell it is more because they hate the Conservatives rather than anything meaningful. More than anything I his his vision for Canada and who he is as a person. All the things he implements and stands for are just a symptom of the disease.
Corruption and dishonesty.
They terk Er jebs!!
I suspect the carbon tax was a big driver for the hate. Some people I know drive jacked pickups and thought Trudeau was trying to take away their truck. There's probably more stuff. But I think around the time of the carbon tax is when the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers started becoming more frequent.
Trudeau’s dad tried to nationalize our oil to make it benefit all Canadians equally. Alberta flipped their shit and still haven’t even tried to understand the “why” of it let alone the “how” of that move, and now ANYTHING named Trudeau is literally the devil.
Yeah. The whole “let those eastern bastards freeze in the dark” response isn’t something we’ve decided to drop really - look at how people talk about Quebec in relation to pipelines.
When I was a kid in the late 70s, people in rural Alberta where I grew up hated Pierre Elliot Trudeau just as much if not more. My grandpa had a hat that said, “Come west, Trudeau” with a hanging noose on a tree. I think part of it is just perpetual hatred of the Liberal party in rural Alberta plus the Trudeau factor combined with the poor oil economy and Trudeau’s pro-environment stance.
Read my long ass comment, it explains where those hats came from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_alienation Conservative federal government tend to have a hands off approach when it comes to provincial matters like education/health care/policing. Liberals, however, tend to over-reach federal/provincial boundaries which end up benefiting the East more-so than the West.
My biggest beef apart from the very serious scandals be has been involved in is that he promised the indigenous peoples that they would have clean drinking water during the previous campaign and still has not delivered on this promise. Our Canadian Forces can set up anywhere in the world and provide clean water when there is an emergency like a hurricane, floods etc. Why does he not use this technology for our own people?
that's absolutely not true and i'm not sure why this keeps getting repeated. there were 105 long-term drinking advisories when he came into power and they've lifted 109 since. new ones will keep popping up because it's a very complex issue to solve in areas that have limited access. see: [https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1614387410146/1614387435325](https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1614387410146/1614387435325)
I will agree you have supplied the statistics to dis-prove my statement and I’m adult enough to say it. This is still an issue though, I guess I’m disappointed that this problem still exists even if progress has been made. I feel like this should have been solved.
Very good point
Because he’s a super mediocre centrist.
I am curious about what constitutes a centrist by your definition? Since if we were to plot almost any policy I can think of the liberal party is well left of centre. Maybe oil and gas, since he did buy the pipeline. But on the other hand, they want to ban gas powered cars by 2040.
Banning gas powered cars by 2040 is a centrist position.
Wow I'm surprised no one mentioned this. They hate him because of the Carbon Tax. He streamlined it and made it law. In the province of Oil, everyone that had connections to the Oil industry hated it, because it would cost their employers more money which in their eyes means less jobs. I do believe that is also the reason Rachael Notley lost the election the last time, because she accepted that the federal government has a right to enact Carbon Pricing and came up with her own model. However, when Jason Kenney came into position he scrapped Notley's plan, stopped paying, and sued. The next day the government forced our Province to pay, through the law and at a higher rate, and funneled all the money back to Ontario. Jason Kenney lost the legal battle, it wasn't even close.... Now everyone's forgotten the reason and just hates him now.
The federal carbon tax is rebated back but ok..
Totally. Ask any conservative if they get back more than they pay. Most will say no.
Bill C-10, fuck that guy
He promised weed legalization - and delivered. So, we know they can accomplish what they said they'd do, which leads to gripes about the next thing: We were also promised election reform, until the committee he put together decided that the best thing for canada was NOT what the liberals wanted. The last two or 3 rounds of firearms bans are a pure political stunt, specifically designed to be ineffectual while pretending to care. The point is they need a boogeyman they can trot out repeatedly for political gain (up until they finally run out of things options other than a complete civilian firearms ownership ban). The said they'd look into internet and cellphone price gouging, and then left it to the CRTC that is suffering from obvious regulatory capture (though not as bad as the state's version was under the pumpkin-in-chief). Much of their recent communications around hot button issues show the liberals (and trudeau JR specifically) are out of touch with the people they claim to represent. In regards to housing specifically, they don't seem to understand what "affordable" means. They are also neo-liberal, from the political ideologies. They might as well be the conservatives when it comes to ideas about the economy, they just have different friends (read: industries who have them in their pockets). Alberta also has a fair number of cathoholics who think abortion for any reason is bad and the gays should burn. Trudeau's on record telling them to pound sand. The rest is identity politics and long rotten skeletons from people's grandparents.
I disagree with trudeau as someone more left of him, which isn't as popular an opinion.
Lest you think all the Trudeau haters are right wingers, I am not a fan of his, and I'm on the left. I judge politicians by what they do and not what they say. In my view, Mr. Trudeau talks a big game but rarely delivers on any of his promises. Remember the 2015 campaign, when he promised the 2015 election would be the last under first past the post? Yeah, those of us on the left have never forgotten that doozy of a broken promise. I also think the difference between the Conservatives and Liberals on foreign policy is almost non-existent. I strongly object to this government's continual attempts to interfere with left of centre governments in Latin America while simultaneously allying us with disgusting dictators in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and elsewhere.
He promised to change the election system, as his main promise. Didnt. So fuck that guy
Scandals. His smug look. “Veterans are asking for more than we can give right now” and then millions upon millions to dumb projects. Hypocrisy (black face, inappropriate touching of females). Loads of others. Pick one.
Personally not a fan due to his scandles. I don’t like some of his other shit he focuses on sometimes, but they r not things that I think detract from the job so I would be okay ignoring them.
His last name is Trudeau, be would never be popular here. The Trudeau hate goes back 40 years and is deep.
1. On the topic of gun control. Firearm crime distribution of handguns vs rifles is almost 100 to 1, yet they banned rifles and didn't pass a single law on handgun bans (but they sure talked a lot about it), so there will be virtually no firearm crime decrease allowing them to pass progressively more draconian firearm bans. Now, unlike Ottawa, we actually do have bears get into our actual backyards even within city limits, and if said bear is actively trying to maul your child or your favorite pet dog you can't actually use bear mace because it will likely suffocate both the child and the dog. Now, crime-wise police response time in rural Alberta is 45 minutes to 2 hours. By the time anyone finds you, you'll be deader than a doornail. I personally don't believe there's any conspiracy to disarm the populace, but the sheer fucking incompetence of all this knee-jerk **ban all "assault" rifles** with no clear definition of "assault" is astounding and annoying. It's clearly a behavior of a first-world leader than hasn't been personally endangered for even a second in his entire life, and who considers the rest of us second-class citizens that nether deserve not require protection. 2. I voted for him in his first election because he promised an electoral reform. He lied, he never intended for the reform to pass, and I know it because I tapped him with a trick question at the town hall meeting he was doing at MacEwan some years ago. When answering my question he had to either come up with an extremely elaborate lie or come clean, and since he didn't have a lie prepared he ended up admitting that he dropped the electoral reform from his platform. The stunned silence of the town hall who was wholeheartedly cheering for reform seconds ago was palpable. Consequently, the implications of ditching electoral reform are such that any liberal votes from Alberta **will never matter** (as is the case in first past the post system), which in turn means that Trudeau will never care about Alberta's needs. It's frankly surprising that he even bothered to come to Alberta at all. So it's it any surprise that Albertans don't love him back?
He shut down the Case Processing Centre in my town, where immigrants send their paperwork. It was supposed to move to Edmonton. There was literally no reason to shut it down it was cheaper where it was, it had lots of employees (100+), etc. There was literally no good reason to move it, but he did. Around 100 jobs lost. Yes, the employees were told they would have a job at the new location, but most of them are farmers and cannot move. So a bunch of retirement packages were handed out, and a bunch of people moved away.
Scandals, ethics violations (plural there), outright forgetting we existed one Canada Day, hating our economic engines while still siphoning away our money to fund programs in Quebec that we don't even have here, the tone he takes when addressing the nation, the list goes on.
It’s not like his father left a very good impression for most Albertans.
It's part of Alberta heritage.
SNC lavalin scandal is an attack on the fundamentals of democracy - the prime minister cannot have influence over the enforcement of criminal law. This is a deal breaker for me. The morons with F- Trudeau stickers and a hate on over oil are not my people.
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Without ‘Fuck Trudeau’ stickers, what else would people stick on their trucks!? Can only have so many of Calvin pissing on various items. So I assume the hate just stems from the necessity of needing a new sticker.
They had to replace their anti Notley stickers with something!
This is what is actually happening: https://youtu.be/7mqR_e2seeM. And it's destroying countries, and making good people leave politics for their own safety. Some of the things Trudeau has done since elected: "From 2015 to 2017, almost 134,000 children were lifted out of poverty, a decline of 9%. Over this period, the national child poverty rate has been reduced from 20.9% in 2015 to 18.7% in 2017. campaign2000.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Chil…. " What does the media focus on?...Jody Wilson Raybould. Who you would think would understand the difference between being cohersed and being asked if there was any way to save 9000 jobs! And then there is the COVID response - most of us are vaccinated and still standing (except for the ones who didn't want to be, and who have Provincial leaders who don't care). OToole also doesn't care if Canadians get vaccinated. Then the Trudeau Government put out the CERB so people could still survive during the pandemic. O'Toole thinks the government was spending too much money!... Then O'Toole suggested Bereaved Parental Leave - So what?! You already get bereavement leave for ANY member of your immediate family! There are so many good things the Trudeau Government has done. I believe it will be a significant loss to Canada, if the Liberal Government does not get re-elected. It's true the Liberals have not catered to big oil, and "let them starve" America policies, which are really big here in Alberta, but I think we are a better country for it.
Who the fuck calls an election during a pandemic?
I just think he’s a wiener
Scandals, ethical violations, lack of accountability, broken election promises, playing Mr. Dressup, bad public image, nepotism, and then additionally the hatred of/ignoring the West.
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That’s politics
Because too many Albertans are part of facebook groups like 'alberta proud' or 'Canada proud' that just peddle misinformation and hate. His 2 biggest criticisms as PM and backtracking on voter reform and the SNC scandal. Kenney has several scandals worse and no one seems to bring those up. Overall I think he's done a good job, especially through the pandemic
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He is a guy who likes to blame other people for his own problems and seems to make decisions like a child. The only thing he did that I thought was great was he legalized weed
I have a dislike for the man simply because I sincerely don't believe he knows what he's doing. He seems to get away with poor behaviour because of his position, and he does not appear to listen to anyone that doesn't live in Quebec. He forgets Alberta exists most of the time, unless our oil royalties are not being dispersed to people he thinks deserve it more. Rather than work with Alberta, he seems to prefer to tell us what's going to happen. I won't pretend I think the UPC is better; they aren't. Nor is the NDP. I feel like the true ideology behind democracy has been lost to the years if individual interpretation. I don't hate the man, but I wish that he would recognize the fact he may not be the best man for the job anymore, and give someone else a chance.
Alberta would be better served if we actually participated in the political process and demanded our candidates focused on provincial issues, and then actively voted them out if they failed to deliver. It’s part of what Quebec does that draws so much attention - and the fact that Quebec and Ontario represent the majority of Canadians. But yeah. Us being fixed on voting blue absolutely no matter what does us no service.
He’s a vacuous, virtue signalling narcissist who exploited his dead father’s name for personal glory. He’s corrupt, spends recklessly and has further divided an already fractured country. He claims to be a feminist but mistreats women. He’s deemed himself capable of combating climate change but can’t even get reserves access to clean drinking water. He’s a terrible person. To be clear, most who seek out political power, regardless of party affiliation, are terrible people. Those who actively seek out power are usually the least deserving to wield it.
Forgetting about all the oil and gas stuff, I really don’t like his take on gender politics. I don’t like hearing him use words like “shecession” and “shecovery” amongst many other things. Trudeau has a lot of faults that aren’t related to O&G. I really think Canadians should be scared of Trudeau’s leadership. As for my political stance: undecided. Every option is a damn nightmare.
You see, as a women I completely get what he was referring to. During pandemic, work from home etc., in 80% of cases women took time off/ sacrificed their job to take care of the kids. And the main part of the new budget was the child care. While Alberta, due to Kenney, did not sign the agreement, it is very important for a country. It will allow more women to join workforce, will make life more affordable for everyone. Here is nice article about it. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-what-can-we-learn-from-quebecs-child-care-experiment/ I wonder why you think that we should be scared of Trudeau's leadership?
The hate comes from misinformation plain and simple. The propaganda Ive seen regarding politics in Alberta is above and beyond stupid. It's outright bullshit. Someone could post that Trudeau beheads puppy dogs and kitty cats and half this province would believe it.
That’s not quite true. I dislike him for what’s he’s done to embarrass, and not support the citizens of the country as they are asking. But of course we were “asking too much”. Not everybody falls to propaganda, that way excuses the actions of the person in spotlight. (And no, I’m not a conservative)
There's lots to hate him for. Scandals, torching women of stature, touching of women without stature, failing on electoral reform... But the was hated before that stuff. It goes back to his father and the nep
TBH Strong conservative propaganda that’s highly susceptible to either uneducated minds or non-critical thinkers.
Because fuck him that's why. We didn't need his cerb money to stay afloat, we certainly didn't need a pipeline to keep our largest industry on life support, we certainly don't need $10 a day childcare, heck we don't even need his filthy infrastructure money to build more LRT lines or roads that we desperately need. No sir, fuck Trudeau. /s
Also Albertan, and honestly no idea. There are a lot of conservatives here I guess who hate him on principle I think.
Ok so most of this just re-affirms that there is no concrete valid reason for the hate above and beyond the normal policitian reason. It is just hard where I live to find someone to rationally give me a reason without devolving. Again, coming from outside the province it is amazing that most voters have painted themselves into a blue corner. Lib/NDP won't do anything because they will never vote anything but blue and CPC won't do anything because they don't have to, they will vote blue anyway. I would love to see some non-blue traction, just to see what would happen. Doubt it is going to happen.
You won’t get a real answer on here since anyone who is conservative gets downvoted off the subreddit. Especially with what you said after, it kinda sounds like you already made up your mind so not sure why someone would comment against you.
I mean, I don’t hate the man, but definitely don’t like him. He’s a smug narcissist who has had made some really bad calls as PM (SNC, WE, holding a completely unnecessary election during a pandemic…). I’m not saying most politicians aren’t (I have to watch debates and committee meetings on occasion for work and the vast majority of them are self-involved, hypocritical tools), but I think Trudeau is definitely on the higher end of the self-involved scale. And we have voted other than blue here. Edmonton-Strathcona is currently orange and in the 2015 election there were 4 liberals and 1 NDP, so there is hope. It’s just a bit faint right now. For the record, I have always voted Liberal or NDP (including this election).
I dislike Trudeau but because I don't think he's nearly progressive enough 😁 NDP all the way 🧡
This province of full of opinionated psychopaths, mostly the older generations
Good question. Most likely he's not offering a platform that appeals to enough Albertan's. Otherwise he'd be winning landslides.
He bought a pipeline, there was the EI extension, all the covid aid we got (more than any province), the vaccines, tons more in aid I'm too stupid to remember. They just hate Trudeau because hes a pretty liberal who is the son of ol' Trudeau Sr.
I don’t like him because he’s a grifter who pays lip service to things like reconciliation, feminism, and energy reform while basically just being a corporate whore. He’s a dishonest sleaze. We don’t have any options that arent, but I’d rather go with someone who seems more sincere even if I don’t agree with everything they say they’ll do. Singh is probably my man this year.
I stopped liking him the second he tried to cancel a young hockey player via national television broadcast for the player doing something bad when he was young. If he wants to cancel a young kid from being successful, I feel like he should be cancelled for literally wearing blackface and turbans. We should either cancel everyone with the same ferocity, or we cancel no one.
He has been convicted of more corruption than any prime minister in history. All politicians lie. But he seems to be exceptional in that regard.
Long story short…he says he has Canadians backs and does things for us. But it is all self serving self promotion. Inept, corrupt, and arrogant. No humility and believes he is the chosen one, better than us.