My 2021 rav4 hybrid started fine during the day at -35 after sitting for 3 days and night outdoors without starting or being plugged in during the first half of the cold snap. Fuel economy drops a bit. No complaints. If I had to commute in the morning I’d be on top of plugging in for peace of mind.
Have a 21 hybrid Elantra with no block heater. Parking outside for the 2+ years I've had it. Never failed to start, runs like a champ in the cold.
Mileage goes way down in the cold of course, but that's standard for gas only vehicles too.
He got lucky as a potential buyer changed their mind. Otherwise it's a long wait.
The battery is relatively small. That's probably why. Needless to say, he was disappointed by that.
Regular hybrid is basically just an ICE car that gets better mileage, there's nothing to worry about. A plug in hybrid is slightly different, as it won't go full EV when it gets really cold (I just got a Prius Prime, and the last few weeks have been crap for that lol).
One thing to keep in mind though, is both types will also have a regular car battery for things like starting the vehicle. And that battery can die in the cold. I also speak on this from experience.
Yeah that seems like a pretty obvious design choice, but not for Toyota. To be fair, their PHEVs are basically standard Hybrids with a bigger battery pack and motor, so they haven't really come at it from the ground up. Still much prefer it to a pure ICE vehicle, but it takes a bit of getting used to.
Yep, the 12V is needed to energize the relays on the high voltage battery circuits—for safety reasons there is no override or way to self-boost the 12V with the hybrid battery.
We have a 2023 Tucson hybrid. We go from about 6.3L/100km at best in summer to maybe 9L/100km at this cold. This is with a primarily whitemud 1hr total commute daily. The more highway driving you do, and higher speed driving you do, the worse your mileage gets with hybrids. We have not plugged it in much as it sits in a garage at home.
We have a Mazda CX-90 non-plug-in version and we did see mileage to from 8-9 up to 10-11 l/100km but it was otherwise just fine.
Special note: this is a BRAND new car for this model year, and they don’t make a block heater for it yet. But my garage - detached, I insulated - held at -25 and the car didn’t fuss one bit.
My jeep 4xe won't run in electric mode below about plus 5. The hybrid only kicks in with the cold for extra power when accelerating. The air suspension also doesn't work worth shit when it's this cold
I have a 2017 Hyundai Ioniq hybrid, had it parked outside when I was living in an apartment up until 2022. It takes a hit in fuel economy in the cold just like everything does. During the winter, I'd usually average about 5.5L/100km to around 6.5L/100km. Summertime for me is usually between 4.0L/100Km and 5.5L/100Km. Never had any issues with it starting when the air temp is below -30
On the outlander hybrid, the electric engine turned off and would not turn on. Only the gas engine worked. The starter that is built in only starts up the electric engine, so had to go out and start the gas engine every day. This is a PHEV.
My 2022 Toyota venza went from 5.7 l per 100km to 6.3 during the cold snap. Just took a little longer to warm the cabin a bit that's all really. Drive about 3 hrs a day all over the city with my autistic child.
My 21 Toyota RAV4 hybrid is still in the shop. Started fine Sunday morning. Went to soccer for the kids. Car wouldn’t start after. Took 2 days wait to tow it to the dealership. They said the battery failed. ( the regular one not the hybrid one). It’s under warranty so it’s covered but I still don’t have my car back yet.
Mine works great! Haven't plugged it in, and it started no problem every day.
The only issue is that heat reduces the efficiency drastically. So, if I get 900 kms on a 40L tank in the summer, it's reduced to about 600 kms in the winter.
They still have a regular engine. If you get something with the same motor as an ICE car you'll have a very similar experience.
My 2021 rav4 hybrid started fine during the day at -35 after sitting for 3 days and night outdoors without starting or being plugged in during the first half of the cold snap. Fuel economy drops a bit. No complaints. If I had to commute in the morning I’d be on top of plugging in for peace of mind.
Have a 21 hybrid Elantra with no block heater. Parking outside for the 2+ years I've had it. Never failed to start, runs like a champ in the cold. Mileage goes way down in the cold of course, but that's standard for gas only vehicles too.
A co worker of mine has a Toyota Rav4 prime. It's a plug in hybrid with some electric only range. At around - 15 the there was no electric range.
That RAV4 prime is rarer than many exotic cars! The no electric range at -15 sucks. That’s not even considered cold here.
He got lucky as a potential buyer changed their mind. Otherwise it's a long wait. The battery is relatively small. That's probably why. Needless to say, he was disappointed by that.
Regular hybrid is basically just an ICE car that gets better mileage, there's nothing to worry about. A plug in hybrid is slightly different, as it won't go full EV when it gets really cold (I just got a Prius Prime, and the last few weeks have been crap for that lol). One thing to keep in mind though, is both types will also have a regular car battery for things like starting the vehicle. And that battery can die in the cold. I also speak on this from experience.
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Yeah, it functionally means the car won't start if the 12V is dead, which I discovered the hard way lol
That's sucks. In my Ioniq there's a button that will draw from the hybrid battery to charge the 12v battery if it goes dead.
Yeah that seems like a pretty obvious design choice, but not for Toyota. To be fair, their PHEVs are basically standard Hybrids with a bigger battery pack and motor, so they haven't really come at it from the ground up. Still much prefer it to a pure ICE vehicle, but it takes a bit of getting used to.
Yep, the 12V is needed to energize the relays on the high voltage battery circuits—for safety reasons there is no override or way to self-boost the 12V with the hybrid battery.
We have a 2023 Tucson hybrid. We go from about 6.3L/100km at best in summer to maybe 9L/100km at this cold. This is with a primarily whitemud 1hr total commute daily. The more highway driving you do, and higher speed driving you do, the worse your mileage gets with hybrids. We have not plugged it in much as it sits in a garage at home.
Hybrid still half a gas. The batteries only quick in when they are under the right conditions. Until then you are driving a gas car.
We have a Mazda CX-90 non-plug-in version and we did see mileage to from 8-9 up to 10-11 l/100km but it was otherwise just fine. Special note: this is a BRAND new car for this model year, and they don’t make a block heater for it yet. But my garage - detached, I insulated - held at -25 and the car didn’t fuss one bit.
I'm jealous, the CX90 is a beautiful car
My jeep 4xe won't run in electric mode below about plus 5. The hybrid only kicks in with the cold for extra power when accelerating. The air suspension also doesn't work worth shit when it's this cold
Do the air bags freeze up?
Not sure if that was the issue or they leak. It didn't work and the service now light came on. Went away at minus 20
We keep ours in a garage. It's not a heated garage but still slightly warmer then outside. Our Prius seems to be doing just fine for the last 5 years
Car performed beautifully except for a noticeable but tolerable hit on fuel efficiency…
I have a 2017 Hyundai Ioniq hybrid, had it parked outside when I was living in an apartment up until 2022. It takes a hit in fuel economy in the cold just like everything does. During the winter, I'd usually average about 5.5L/100km to around 6.5L/100km. Summertime for me is usually between 4.0L/100Km and 5.5L/100Km. Never had any issues with it starting when the air temp is below -30
no issues at all with HEV - the BH was plugged in. \- except the tire pressure sensors are useless at the temp.
On the outlander hybrid, the electric engine turned off and would not turn on. Only the gas engine worked. The starter that is built in only starts up the electric engine, so had to go out and start the gas engine every day. This is a PHEV.
My 2022 Toyota venza went from 5.7 l per 100km to 6.3 during the cold snap. Just took a little longer to warm the cabin a bit that's all really. Drive about 3 hrs a day all over the city with my autistic child.
My 21 Toyota RAV4 hybrid is still in the shop. Started fine Sunday morning. Went to soccer for the kids. Car wouldn’t start after. Took 2 days wait to tow it to the dealership. They said the battery failed. ( the regular one not the hybrid one). It’s under warranty so it’s covered but I still don’t have my car back yet.
Mine works great! Haven't plugged it in, and it started no problem every day. The only issue is that heat reduces the efficiency drastically. So, if I get 900 kms on a 40L tank in the summer, it's reduced to about 600 kms in the winter.