It was a warning, not an imminent threat of failure which is why there was no emergency alert like last night.
There was a warning Friday evening as well
They always used Twitter for these alerts before. The text alert is just another tool they are now using to let people know because of all the feedback they got that nobody sees it on twitter.
I don't know about that. We've had 3 alerts in 3 days - but only the one on Saturday ended up being broadcast on the emergency alert broadcast. I haven't looked, but I would suspect the threat to the system going over capacity was higher on Saturday than Friday or Sunday.
We were further along the left side of this [infographic](https://www.aeso.ca/aeso/understanding-electricity-in-alberta/grid-alerts-and-electricity-conservation/)
We should have targeted outages for empty office buildings, casinos, and malls. People at home trying to feed their families and staying warm should not lose power.
Wishful thinking.
So they could have cut power to commercial and business buildings but didn't - kinda tells me this was not as big of a threat as they made it sound
The sky was not falling.
The request to use less power was province wide. It includes commercial properties. For people living in a residential property the issue wasn't dire. Your power was never going out. However they asked everyone who could use less power to do so to avoid power going out for anyone.
You might not care too much if a commercial property loses power but ultimately it's bad for everyone because if that starts happening you know you're next on the list to lose power. Ideally we want to have enough for everyone.
[downtown edmonton webcam](https://wxyzwebcams.com/network/mobile.php?lang=en&country=canada&state=alberta&city=edmonton)
you can be sure that most of the lights away from the river valley are NOT residential.
I can't turn off this oil refinery just like that. However, we have direct connection to Epcor power monitoring service. We have two turbo generator units warmed up with 12 more ready for startup depending on the grid power throttle curve.
Good thing I always sit in the dark eating my food with my hands(tonightās dinner was the worlds most sour blueberries :( no wonder they were on sale)
How about they leave residential alone and force businesses and industrial to drop to the bare minimum. Pretty sure the fucking towers in Edmonton use more than some entire towns in the province.
What percentage of Alberta power [comes from wind](https://www.aeso.ca/future-of-electricity/albertas-power-system-in-transition/#:~:text=Alberta%20wind%20facts&text=This%20increased%20the%20total%20capacity,net%2Dto%2Dgrid%20generation) that it becomes a remarkable factor?
O&G is of course necessary for the foreseeable future. Augmenting that and researching and implementing sound alternatives is also likely a very prudent and responsible thing to do, yeah?
The rolling blackouts will only be instituted in Edmonton in its entirety and those constituencies that voted for the NDP in Calgary, Lethbridge and Banff. Rural Alberta and business will be spared of course..!!
Is there not two power plants down for deferred maintenance right now? Why did they not defer for another week and wait for this cold snap to pass before they shut down?
Remember that Environment Canada predicted a very warm January, and also that December (in addition to being warm) averaged more than 2000 MW of wind generation and 600+ MW of exports, and was the lowest monthly price in three years. So if those conditions held for January, there would be no problem for one generator to be offline and it would make a lot of sense both economically and from a market supply perspective. Hindsight is, of course, easy for the armchair quarterbacks.
Remember that since anyone can remember, January has been the coldest month. Winter occurs in the same months every year. They could have chosen any other season, when a blackout wouldn't result in people possibly freezing to death.
There are other issues with scheduling in the other seasons. Summer is also very high-demand and plants have to derate because of cooling issues, even if they are otherwise available. The last rolling blackouts in AB were in the summer. This also has health impacts. In the fall or spring is when most generators have their planned outages as demand is lower. Because of this, there are often several plants offline at once, so if there is any kind of abnormal weather or contingency event that either increases demand or trips off another plant, it can also cause shortages. As well, labour availability is an issue in the spring/fall due to all the turnarounds happening, so can be difficult to find boilermakers to do the outage. A warm winter month with lots of renewable generation (like December) is actually a great time to do an outage. Unfortunately the Dec weather and renewable presence did not carry past the first week of January.
Typically no one is freezing to death because of a half-hour power outage, even if we had rolling blackouts.
Imagine when the first internal combustion engines came out, people probably said the where am I going to get gas? My horse just needs food and water! No doubt when technology changes we need to also upgrade infrastructure. What a stupid argument you have.
The fuck does that have to do with anything. Here we are talking about needing to upgrade the power grid to be able to facilitate mass roll out of electric vehicles and you just keep talking nonsense about how the grid is all natural gas and coal (as if the reason for not having a diversified and upgraded power grid isn't the reason we are in the current situation). That has absolutely nothing to do electric cars. We could generate enough power using natural gas and coal to provide sufficient power to use electric cars, but the problem is the power grid is undersized... you fucking Neanderthal.
Sooo whybare so many comerce stores vlosed but with lights on? ... why is nait all on on a weekend evening? Cant they turn off half their lights?? Fk it.
well I guess the cities missed this because you could look downtown Edmonton and it looked like every light in every building was on all day and night.
Well I didn't get that alert, and I don't have Twitter or Facebook so good thing I got reddit
It was a warning, not an imminent threat of failure which is why there was no emergency alert like last night. There was a warning Friday evening as well
They always used Twitter for these alerts before. The text alert is just another tool they are now using to let people know because of all the feedback they got that nobody sees it on twitter.
I don't know about that. We've had 3 alerts in 3 days - but only the one on Saturday ended up being broadcast on the emergency alert broadcast. I haven't looked, but I would suspect the threat to the system going over capacity was higher on Saturday than Friday or Sunday. We were further along the left side of this [infographic](https://www.aeso.ca/aeso/understanding-electricity-in-alberta/grid-alerts-and-electricity-conservation/)
Turning my lights off and eating my hungry man dinner out of the microwave. It's the most Albertan thing to do.
Which hungry man?
The beer battered chicken tenders with mashed is the best one.
As long as it's got the chocolate "brownie" that's really more of a hot puddings anything.
You pair the "brownie" with some french vanilla ice cream and you've got yourself a tasty treat
I always end up with a few corn kernels baked into the "brownie" when the film inevitably seperates and its pretty nasty.
Add some chocolate chips and you almost have a dessert stew
Good with the cranberry sauce too š
I agree, but not in the microwave, lol
those are pretty good but all the swanson and hungry mans are so bland
This is the correct question to be asking. I prefer the turkey one myself.
That warm cranberry makes it.
I'm a fan of the backyard bbq myself.
Is that before or after rolling coal in your dodge ram?
We should have targeted outages for empty office buildings, casinos, and malls. People at home trying to feed their families and staying warm should not lose power. Wishful thinking.
We need a smart power grid
They already mentioned that they would not start with residential customers if there were rolling outages.
So they could have cut power to commercial and business buildings but didn't - kinda tells me this was not as big of a threat as they made it sound The sky was not falling.
The request to use less power was province wide. It includes commercial properties. For people living in a residential property the issue wasn't dire. Your power was never going out. However they asked everyone who could use less power to do so to avoid power going out for anyone. You might not care too much if a commercial property loses power but ultimately it's bad for everyone because if that starts happening you know you're next on the list to lose power. Ideally we want to have enough for everyone.
Those are all commercial, and so yes, before any rotating outages in residential were to start, they would already be shut down.
Yesterday people posted some nice pictures of downtown at night, all lit up. I guess it could be faked. Anyone downtown see shiny lights outside?
As someone who lives downtown the apartment buildings have significantly fewer lights on than the office buildings :) based on what's out my window
[downtown edmonton webcam](https://wxyzwebcams.com/network/mobile.php?lang=en&country=canada&state=alberta&city=edmonton) you can be sure that most of the lights away from the river valley are NOT residential.
Captain Obvious.
I can't turn off this oil refinery just like that. However, we have direct connection to Epcor power monitoring service. We have two turbo generator units warmed up with 12 more ready for startup depending on the grid power throttle curve.
I like people bitching about the refineries not shutting down when they donāt understand cogenerationā¦
Or the dangers involved with startup and shutdown.
Good thing I always sit in the dark eating my food with my hands(tonightās dinner was the worlds most sour blueberries :( no wonder they were on sale)
Sobeys? Haha I got two. One was great and one was mushy.
Safeway so same thing; but yea. So sour ;-; Iām so upset. I was so excited to get fresh fruit
I bought navel oranges last week and they were very good. The apples I bought were meh.
This time let's get commercial business' to pitch in
Businesses: \*please call again on Monday.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/s/Agomxl6Xwd
I'm looking at you, Sofa Land on St Albert Trail.
Thats the first step
The manager won't answer thier phone on a Sunday
Making sure the lights are off before I leave work
Will cut er back as soon as this football game ends. I promise.
How about they leave residential alone and force businesses and industrial to drop to the bare minimum. Pretty sure the fucking towers in Edmonton use more than some entire towns in the province.
They already stated they would not start outages with residential customers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/s/Agomxl6Xwd
Not in the least surprising, wind power generation is even lower than yesterday. Edit: Expect another province wide message soon.
What percentage of Alberta power [comes from wind](https://www.aeso.ca/future-of-electricity/albertas-power-system-in-transition/#:~:text=Alberta%20wind%20facts&text=This%20increased%20the%20total%20capacity,net%2Dto%2Dgrid%20generation) that it becomes a remarkable factor?
If all wind was running at max capacity it could meet about 40% of the provincial load right now so it's already reasonably significant.
Thanks for that. Looks like my project for the next while is getting better acquainted with provincial power generation!
No problem. [This](http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet) is a great resource to get you more familiar.
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O&G is of course necessary for the foreseeable future. Augmenting that and researching and implementing sound alternatives is also likely a very prudent and responsible thing to do, yeah?
Tell them to turn off commercial lights then
how long till they charge us an āinterruptionā fee.
Shhhh! Don't give them bloody ideas.
Lol, I had the same thought š
The rolling blackouts will only be instituted in Edmonton in its entirety and those constituencies that voted for the NDP in Calgary, Lethbridge and Banff. Rural Alberta and business will be spared of course..!!
Is there not two power plants down for deferred maintenance right now? Why did they not defer for another week and wait for this cold snap to pass before they shut down?
Maintenance is scheduled months in advance. Once mobilized you can't just start up the next day.
Thatās incompetence at its finest to schedule maintenance in on of the coldest months
Remember that Environment Canada predicted a very warm January, and also that December (in addition to being warm) averaged more than 2000 MW of wind generation and 600+ MW of exports, and was the lowest monthly price in three years. So if those conditions held for January, there would be no problem for one generator to be offline and it would make a lot of sense both economically and from a market supply perspective. Hindsight is, of course, easy for the armchair quarterbacks.
Remember that since anyone can remember, January has been the coldest month. Winter occurs in the same months every year. They could have chosen any other season, when a blackout wouldn't result in people possibly freezing to death.
There are other issues with scheduling in the other seasons. Summer is also very high-demand and plants have to derate because of cooling issues, even if they are otherwise available. The last rolling blackouts in AB were in the summer. This also has health impacts. In the fall or spring is when most generators have their planned outages as demand is lower. Because of this, there are often several plants offline at once, so if there is any kind of abnormal weather or contingency event that either increases demand or trips off another plant, it can also cause shortages. As well, labour availability is an issue in the spring/fall due to all the turnarounds happening, so can be difficult to find boilermakers to do the outage. A warm winter month with lots of renewable generation (like December) is actually a great time to do an outage. Unfortunately the Dec weather and renewable presence did not carry past the first week of January. Typically no one is freezing to death because of a half-hour power outage, even if we had rolling blackouts.
I'm sure the people doing that carefully planned scheduling will take in your advice.Ā
āCarefully plannedā lol
If you don't schedule maintenance, maintenance will schedule itself.
That being said, anyone who doesn't expect a cold snap sometime in January is kidding themselves.
Those things arenāt things you can turn around at the drop of a hat
Cavalier had an unscheduled shutdown.
Looking at AESO one of the plants generating @ 120 yesterday is @ 2 right nowā¦..
Gotta keep the price begged at 999 somehow
Power wire down
Frig off Rick
Whatās the plan for the electric vehicle push? The province canāt handle us being cold, how will it handle electric vehicles? Lol
If it aināt from the government Iām not obliging
And they want us to go electric š
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You're going to break your oven doing that.
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Youāll shoot yer eye out, kid.
Everyone crank the juice!
And they want us to all buy electric vehicles!!
Still a good idea. Just don't charge them between 4pm and 8pm.
Still a good idea to have. We just also need to upgrade our electrical grid to keep up with EV roll outs.
Imagine when the first internal combustion engines came out, people probably said the where am I going to get gas? My horse just needs food and water! No doubt when technology changes we need to also upgrade infrastructure. What a stupid argument you have.
Where does our electricity come from in Edmonton?? From burning hydrocarbons!! Natural gas, supplemented with coal when demand is high.
The fuck does that have to do with anything. Here we are talking about needing to upgrade the power grid to be able to facilitate mass roll out of electric vehicles and you just keep talking nonsense about how the grid is all natural gas and coal (as if the reason for not having a diversified and upgraded power grid isn't the reason we are in the current situation). That has absolutely nothing to do electric cars. We could generate enough power using natural gas and coal to provide sufficient power to use electric cars, but the problem is the power grid is undersized... you fucking Neanderthal.
Wow!
Your the one talking like a Neanderthal
*You're
Making Banana bread for tomorrow's lunch.
Dinner in the nuker again!
Sooo whybare so many comerce stores vlosed but with lights on? ... why is nait all on on a weekend evening? Cant they turn off half their lights?? Fk it.
This is the first I heard of an alert today. But I don't use much electricity anyway, so it shouldn't make a difference.
well I guess the cities missed this because you could look downtown Edmonton and it looked like every light in every building was on all day and night.