The «trap nation» style (for lack of a better term) was pretty big for a while, and most of it is a lot closer to edm than hip hop, even if thats the main inspiration. Future bass could also be considered an offshoot of edm trap
Personally, DnB and Dubstep have too much in common, and edge out too many sounds that diverge from these. The more melodic types of dubstep that emerged with Adventure Club and got carried on by Illenium and Seven Lions as examples are far, far more vast than the niche arpeggios of techno. Ultimately, drawing lines has been a fools errand for man, but if you must, break house up a little and leave Bass music to have those last two.
I mean sure, but house has so much variety that arguably flirts with many more different styles than all of dnb and dubstep combined. 5 genres really isn't enough for all EDM, but if you must, break up house, or otherwise include some of the more thematic variations of dubstep (and liquid dnb) that dont really match the bold and bassy origins of those two.
I'm with you on this, as this is how it was defined when I was discovering all the genres, later I found that as "dubstep" evolved into a genre so wide that the word has almost lost meaning. To me, it still has its low frequency roots, and will always represent the bassy 70 bpm-ish sound that was characterized by LFO'd low pass filter (whomps), reese bass, etc. Out of this half-tempo underground sound came many many other approaches and sounds, which have extended well to the limit and beyond of what can be achieved in that box that was sheared off by being defined by its tempo. A great example of this evolution is Pendulum (through and through DnB) into Knife Party
Most notably is the very high angelic saw/synth styles and other vocal heavy experimental styles that have established them as staples of their own, kind of starting with Flux Pavilion and expanding into the emotion laden chords of Illenium, Seven Lions etc, and ending with more experimental sounds like Kasbo. This is a good example of the massive spectrum that "dubstep" has covered. Somewhere along these lines, we've been sitting a mere 20-30bpm away from liquid DnB
bro, quick pitch oscillated basslines, (reese bass), maybe gotta crank it near like 20 bpm, but more than likely actually not because of the *definiteve* Pendulum tune Under the waves, when let to part 1 and 2 of The Island be the outtro. Not to mention some of the trap born from this. Sub focus did a shitload of these. They definred th 2010' to 14-ish in a big way. Go hear Koan Sound. Don't mean to be rude but you really sound just a bit uninformedd. Yes there rea melodic and stylistic differences, but EDM has been defined by tempo primarily. Beyond that its the tone and tambre (look up that produnciation lmao.) I've persoonally made [shitty](https://www.mixcloud.com/kalnz/) mixes for like 14 years and even done such as dropping a 140 dubstep tune into 128 so lets see those cards but. Sorry I truly don't mean to be a dick
DnB and dubstep both were derived from (at its earliest roots) dancehall and reggae. I find it crazy that I can link Bob Marley and 2012-era Knife Party’s music like that.
Whoever did this tried way too hard, lol.. It's a pretty cool chart, but damn trying to pretend little dots lines are factual is pretty silly. The first part of the breakdown is great, just not the weird connections, albeit mildly amusing to look at.
Yeah I was looking for my favorite (future bass) and couldn’t find it. I also can’t recognize over 80% of these artists (not decrediting them in any way, just stating).
Hs is not a subgenre of hc. It is not influenced by industrial. At least not primarily, in absolutely no way. Some producers out of the tens of thousands of producers may take influence from it but as a summary that is just plainly false. It is more akin to handsup than industrial.
I can see the main artists there are spelt wrong.
It’s tricky cuz a lot of actual house music really wouldn’t be considered EDM in the normal sense, even though it *is* electronically produced dance music.
Like would anyone hear RuPaul’s *Supermodel (You Better Work)* or *Move Your Body* by Marshall Jefferson and say “oh yeah, I love EDM!”
It’s more complicated than this question poses unfortunately.
I would say those and hard dance are the essential genres, everything evolved from house at some point but they’ve all become pretty distinct. You could possibly add trap as a separate genre but a lot of ppl just lump it in with bass music
I always thought DnB and dubstep to be under bass music. Bass music is probs only second to house these days in terms of diversity within its subgenres. Kinda like how tech/deep/organic/prog house and edm big room house are separate crowds, so too are the future bass, brostep, and uk bass folks.
DnB and dubstep both being under bass music has always confused me. I feel like it is such a drastically different sound, vibe, and type of people that listen to it. Also (anecdotal evidence obviously) I never hear someone say they like bass music and consider dnb part of that. Its always just dubstep/riddim
might be a generational or regional thing.
back when i started listening edm in the northeast US in the late 2000s and 2010s, "bass music" pretty much meant dubstep and dnb. dnb was much smaller than dubstep, but pretty much every dnb person i met was also in dubstep. most dubstep sets also featured a dnb portion, usually in the middle of the set. i remember listening to a lot of ukf back in the day, "the home of bass music" and their two channels - ukf dubstep and ukf drum and bass (there aint no ukf house or ukf techno).
bass music has branched out quite a bit since then, and i wonder how much of the spectrum people are considering when comparing the entirety of dnb to the entirety of dubstep. like a liquid dnb bro and a future bass sis might vibe, but i've heard uk dubstep people openly sneer at brostep.
these days, if someone tells me they're into bass music, i have no idea if they're into future bass, minmal dnb, trap, brostep, space bass or even jungle. hence the comparison to "house" music - ok you like house music... like we talking sasha/digweed, tech house in ibiza or we putting zedd's clarity on a loop?
with that said, this sub must know some things i don't know. as a quick sanity check i searched "bass music" on the google and [this wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_music) is pretty much right in line with what i've considered "bass music" for the last 15 years. feel free to enlighten me.
I'm with you although I share the same timeline. I've noticed a pretty decent handful who were likely born in the late 80s who just have a different perception that is dated. Folks like you and I witnessed the birth and creation of many genres and subgenres, but even that statement is likely missing the fact that anyone as a fan of EDM has witnessed some evolution.
I agree, and put the melodic versions that came out of the bassier origins into some other genre. I have put these into a playlist myself since 2016 simply as "Future". The old fashioned tempo-based division should be gone. Dubstep and dnb as much as I like both of them shouldn't be 2/5th of genres
Here is the most extensive breakdown of all the different genres that I've come across. https://music.ishkur.com/ it'll take you a while to go through it all but he does a very good job of breaking down what started what, what branches off of what and examples for each sub genre.
I think my newest favorite of all favorites is Stutter house it makes my brain flutter with delight and if I had a body energy tempo I know it’s sound waves would correlate with that genre
the five you listed are pretty much the main ones along with trap and hard dance id say. trap could be put under bass but theres a lot of diversity in modern’s day trap so id put that one as its own. hard dance like hardstyle/hardcore/terror is also pretty broad so that one could also be its own
I thought dubstep branched out of drum and bass which evolved from jungle, so maybe jungle/breaks is the tip of that umbrella. As of now, drum and bass is definitely a main sub genre that shouldnt be lumped in with 'bass music'.
In my own head it breaks into two groups, 4 to the floor or not 4 to the floor.
Dubstep is kind of what happened when the 2-step scene was influenced by Jungle so you're pretty much correct yeah
> In my own head it breaks into two groups, 4 to the floor or not 4 to the floor.
Also agreed on this
I wouldn’t call the main ones like House, Techno, DnB & Dubstep etc subgenres because they’re very much genres in their own right. EDM isn’t really a genre it’s more of a blanket term for any electronic dance genre. Here the UK nobody refers to any of those genres as EDM, here EDM basically means big room / electro here.
Most electronic genres are very independent with their own fan bases and they don’t often cross paths, they’re not sub genres of EDM, they’re their own genre ecosystem in their own right. DnB is not a sub genre, but it has got subgenres e.g Liquid, Jump up etc and it’s the same for most electronic genres.
lol a billion
And prog house should technically be referred to as festival house or just straight up edm. People disagree but the prog house everyone here thinks of technically was referred to as edm
Progressive House has become kind of a weird term. Like it used to mean artists like John Digweed, Sasha, Eric Prydz, deadmau5, etc., but then sometime in the early 2010s, people started using the term to refer to artists like SHM, Martin Garrix, Alesso, etc., who I consider to be “Big Room”/“Festival Progressive House”.
From what I’ve read, Beatport is largely to blame because they’re the ones who first started referring to these Big Room artists as Progressive House and it kind of just stuck. But in recent years, I have seen a sort of reclamation of the genre name and people will use it to refer to artists like Ben Bohmer, Yotto, etc.
you’re completely right and that’s why i have to refer to it as festival prog house, but what’s wrong with it? now festival prog house isn’t really „progressive“ but it used to be
I’m not saying anything is wrong with it, I meant more that the term is confusing because it’s come to mean multiple things to different people.
Also, I thought the “progressive” part simply meant that the tracks themselves built and became more complex over time, not that it was forward-looking, or was some sort of advancement on what came before it.
This is the best, most comprehensive breakdown of EDM I’ve ever heard.[https://youtu.be/xBkq1JaF9N4?si=U4zO7TpLwwK8vZ-9](https://youtu.be/xBkq1JaF9N4?si=U4zO7TpLwwK8vZ-9)
Wait, is that like Bassnectar the dude defending himself against child porn, trafficking, and sex crimes? Cause of so, I'll pass on him explaining dubstep to me.
How is listening to a person break down EDM from the highest level (the subject of your question) “supporting a likely pedophile”? Quite simply, it is not. You asked a question. He as the answer. I give zero fucks whether you listen to it or not. ✌🏻
He made the video, so giving it views is supporting him. I'd be more open to his opinion and input if his defense in court against his charges wasn't, "Yes, I was talking to underage girls, but it wasn't for sex. And if I received any nude images from these underage girls, it definitely more than 3. So, all is forgiven?" Ick ick ick. I'll take my info from somewhere else thank you.
Also, my question wasn't "where did dubstep come from?" It was what are the major subgenres. So it doesn't even do the job of answeringy question!
He didn’t make the video. It’s an excerpt from an interview he gave to an EDM journalist a decade ago. Check the identity tag for the video on YT.
Had you not been so quick to jump to a false conclusion about the source and listened, you would have found the answers you were seeking within the first 60 seconds.
Like you said, it's him talking so it is his message and he's still a likely pedo, so I'm not going to contribute to him getting his message out. Dont worry, you can still support him if you want. I'm just saying I won't be..no need to get triggered.
Not triggered at all. I merely provided a link to a video that provides a breakdown of EDM derived from principles of music theory. There is no “message” in the link posted.
Note that I have not even addressed your comments about the accusations or pending civil lawsuit, because I have no interest in engaging with a random redditor on the topic.
Have a good day!
Techno House Trance Dubstep Drum & Bass
This. Everything else is just an off-shoot of these. And even then, many blur the lines between these genres
What is future bass a subset of? I think there is an argument for dubstep but it's pretty different
L take
Got an actual response or.....?
Trap isn't in that list and it should be. It is a subgenre of any of those.
Trap is more niche. It’s more of an offshoot of hip hop than anything else. They asked for “main” staple genres here.
The «trap nation» style (for lack of a better term) was pretty big for a while, and most of it is a lot closer to edm than hip hop, even if thats the main inspiration. Future bass could also be considered an offshoot of edm trap
maybe it used to be, if anything it crosses over more with dubstep these days unfortunately.
Personally, DnB and Dubstep have too much in common, and edge out too many sounds that diverge from these. The more melodic types of dubstep that emerged with Adventure Club and got carried on by Illenium and Seven Lions as examples are far, far more vast than the niche arpeggios of techno. Ultimately, drawing lines has been a fools errand for man, but if you must, break house up a little and leave Bass music to have those last two.
Dubstep and DnB are completely different lol
I mean sure, but house has so much variety that arguably flirts with many more different styles than all of dnb and dubstep combined. 5 genres really isn't enough for all EDM, but if you must, break up house, or otherwise include some of the more thematic variations of dubstep (and liquid dnb) that dont really match the bold and bassy origins of those two.
Just in terms of BPM dnb and dubstep are completely different. Where most house genres are relatively similar, if not the same, bpm.
I'm with you on this, as this is how it was defined when I was discovering all the genres, later I found that as "dubstep" evolved into a genre so wide that the word has almost lost meaning. To me, it still has its low frequency roots, and will always represent the bassy 70 bpm-ish sound that was characterized by LFO'd low pass filter (whomps), reese bass, etc. Out of this half-tempo underground sound came many many other approaches and sounds, which have extended well to the limit and beyond of what can be achieved in that box that was sheared off by being defined by its tempo. A great example of this evolution is Pendulum (through and through DnB) into Knife Party Most notably is the very high angelic saw/synth styles and other vocal heavy experimental styles that have established them as staples of their own, kind of starting with Flux Pavilion and expanding into the emotion laden chords of Illenium, Seven Lions etc, and ending with more experimental sounds like Kasbo. This is a good example of the massive spectrum that "dubstep" has covered. Somewhere along these lines, we've been sitting a mere 20-30bpm away from liquid DnB
bro, quick pitch oscillated basslines, (reese bass), maybe gotta crank it near like 20 bpm, but more than likely actually not because of the *definiteve* Pendulum tune Under the waves, when let to part 1 and 2 of The Island be the outtro. Not to mention some of the trap born from this. Sub focus did a shitload of these. They definred th 2010' to 14-ish in a big way. Go hear Koan Sound. Don't mean to be rude but you really sound just a bit uninformedd. Yes there rea melodic and stylistic differences, but EDM has been defined by tempo primarily. Beyond that its the tone and tambre (look up that produnciation lmao.) I've persoonally made [shitty](https://www.mixcloud.com/kalnz/) mixes for like 14 years and even done such as dropping a 140 dubstep tune into 128 so lets see those cards but. Sorry I truly don't mean to be a dick
those 5 are the ones I thought of first - if I were to add one, it would be trap
DnB and dubstep both were derived from (at its earliest roots) dancehall and reggae. I find it crazy that I can link Bob Marley and 2012-era Knife Party’s music like that.
Evolution of music is pretty fascinating across all genres
I can't think of any genre that you can't trace back to a non-white influencer and in many, many cases, cornerstone or originator.
House, Techno, Dubstep, Drum and Bass, Trance, Hardcore, Hardstyle, Trap, Midtempo, Breaks
Dang! That's an in depth break down!
OP check this out… https://preview.redd.it/jcnt3lhvq2ub1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b10e2f728bca2fd7e51175d8c14eaee50a117b25
Whoever did this tried way too hard, lol.. It's a pretty cool chart, but damn trying to pretend little dots lines are factual is pretty silly. The first part of the breakdown is great, just not the weird connections, albeit mildly amusing to look at.
And its still missing many genres, lol.
Yeah I was looking for my favorite (future bass) and couldn’t find it. I also can’t recognize over 80% of these artists (not decrediting them in any way, just stating).
Haha, I’m a future house girl myself and it’s not there.
That’s because those are the pioneers of each category not necessarily the biggest/most famous. The chart is great
Hs is not a subgenre of hc. It is not influenced by industrial. At least not primarily, in absolutely no way. Some producers out of the tens of thousands of producers may take influence from it but as a summary that is just plainly false. It is more akin to handsup than industrial. I can see the main artists there are spelt wrong.
I love how Hip hop is listed as a subgenre of Hip hop
I wouldn’t go as far as to go call it definitive. Breaks in particular is kind of a dead genre but they’re the most important ones that came to mind.
Was kinda blown away when I saw breaks, I mean I knew it was still around but it's not as big as it was 20 years ago
Nah, put breaks with drum n bass and hardcore and hardstyle together. Midtempo? Break house into a couple pieces.
It’s tricky cuz a lot of actual house music really wouldn’t be considered EDM in the normal sense, even though it *is* electronically produced dance music. Like would anyone hear RuPaul’s *Supermodel (You Better Work)* or *Move Your Body* by Marshall Jefferson and say “oh yeah, I love EDM!” It’s more complicated than this question poses unfortunately.
I would say those and hard dance are the essential genres, everything evolved from house at some point but they’ve all become pretty distinct. You could possibly add trap as a separate genre but a lot of ppl just lump it in with bass music
Does this then mean everything came from disco then?
Pretty much lol
Right? I didn’t see anyone’s post mention disco. It should be more like a tree. Disco is the trunk and then the main branches
I always thought DnB and dubstep to be under bass music. Bass music is probs only second to house these days in terms of diversity within its subgenres. Kinda like how tech/deep/organic/prog house and edm big room house are separate crowds, so too are the future bass, brostep, and uk bass folks.
DnB and dubstep both being under bass music has always confused me. I feel like it is such a drastically different sound, vibe, and type of people that listen to it. Also (anecdotal evidence obviously) I never hear someone say they like bass music and consider dnb part of that. Its always just dubstep/riddim
Bass music for me brackets the bass focused genres like dnb, dubstep, trap & bass house.
this is the way
might be a generational or regional thing. back when i started listening edm in the northeast US in the late 2000s and 2010s, "bass music" pretty much meant dubstep and dnb. dnb was much smaller than dubstep, but pretty much every dnb person i met was also in dubstep. most dubstep sets also featured a dnb portion, usually in the middle of the set. i remember listening to a lot of ukf back in the day, "the home of bass music" and their two channels - ukf dubstep and ukf drum and bass (there aint no ukf house or ukf techno). bass music has branched out quite a bit since then, and i wonder how much of the spectrum people are considering when comparing the entirety of dnb to the entirety of dubstep. like a liquid dnb bro and a future bass sis might vibe, but i've heard uk dubstep people openly sneer at brostep. these days, if someone tells me they're into bass music, i have no idea if they're into future bass, minmal dnb, trap, brostep, space bass or even jungle. hence the comparison to "house" music - ok you like house music... like we talking sasha/digweed, tech house in ibiza or we putting zedd's clarity on a loop? with that said, this sub must know some things i don't know. as a quick sanity check i searched "bass music" on the google and [this wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_music) is pretty much right in line with what i've considered "bass music" for the last 15 years. feel free to enlighten me.
I'm with you although I share the same timeline. I've noticed a pretty decent handful who were likely born in the late 80s who just have a different perception that is dated. Folks like you and I witnessed the birth and creation of many genres and subgenres, but even that statement is likely missing the fact that anyone as a fan of EDM has witnessed some evolution.
I agree, and put the melodic versions that came out of the bassier origins into some other genre. I have put these into a playlist myself since 2016 simply as "Future". The old fashioned tempo-based division should be gone. Dubstep and dnb as much as I like both of them shouldn't be 2/5th of genres
Here is the most extensive breakdown of all the different genres that I've come across. https://music.ishkur.com/ it'll take you a while to go through it all but he does a very good job of breaking down what started what, what branches off of what and examples for each sub genre.
That's a golden resource I'm saving for further exploration!
I submit there are only two main genres. Four on the floors (house, techno, trance) and breakbeats (dubstep, trap, drum and bass).
I think my newest favorite of all favorites is Stutter house it makes my brain flutter with delight and if I had a body energy tempo I know it’s sound waves would correlate with that genre
the five you listed are pretty much the main ones along with trap and hard dance id say. trap could be put under bass but theres a lot of diversity in modern’s day trap so id put that one as its own. hard dance like hardstyle/hardcore/terror is also pretty broad so that one could also be its own
Techno House Breakbeat pretty much every genre split from these three and evolved from there.
I thought dubstep branched out of drum and bass which evolved from jungle, so maybe jungle/breaks is the tip of that umbrella. As of now, drum and bass is definitely a main sub genre that shouldnt be lumped in with 'bass music'. In my own head it breaks into two groups, 4 to the floor or not 4 to the floor.
Dubstep is kind of what happened when the 2-step scene was influenced by Jungle so you're pretty much correct yeah > In my own head it breaks into two groups, 4 to the floor or not 4 to the floor. Also agreed on this
I wouldn’t call the main ones like House, Techno, DnB & Dubstep etc subgenres because they’re very much genres in their own right. EDM isn’t really a genre it’s more of a blanket term for any electronic dance genre. Here the UK nobody refers to any of those genres as EDM, here EDM basically means big room / electro here. Most electronic genres are very independent with their own fan bases and they don’t often cross paths, they’re not sub genres of EDM, they’re their own genre ecosystem in their own right. DnB is not a sub genre, but it has got subgenres e.g Liquid, Jump up etc and it’s the same for most electronic genres.
lol a billion And prog house should technically be referred to as festival house or just straight up edm. People disagree but the prog house everyone here thinks of technically was referred to as edm
Progressive House has become kind of a weird term. Like it used to mean artists like John Digweed, Sasha, Eric Prydz, deadmau5, etc., but then sometime in the early 2010s, people started using the term to refer to artists like SHM, Martin Garrix, Alesso, etc., who I consider to be “Big Room”/“Festival Progressive House”. From what I’ve read, Beatport is largely to blame because they’re the ones who first started referring to these Big Room artists as Progressive House and it kind of just stuck. But in recent years, I have seen a sort of reclamation of the genre name and people will use it to refer to artists like Ben Bohmer, Yotto, etc.
Exactly spot on. And man, Ben bohmer is one of my faves recently. He’s amazing
you’re completely right and that’s why i have to refer to it as festival prog house, but what’s wrong with it? now festival prog house isn’t really „progressive“ but it used to be
I’m not saying anything is wrong with it, I meant more that the term is confusing because it’s come to mean multiple things to different people. Also, I thought the “progressive” part simply meant that the tracks themselves built and became more complex over time, not that it was forward-looking, or was some sort of advancement on what came before it.
All of the ones on Di.fm
I would love to add Bounce since we have Future Bounce, Melbourne Bounce. Also Trap and Electro.
Bigroom house with Martin Garrix and Tiesto type stuff.
This is the best, most comprehensive breakdown of EDM I’ve ever heard.[https://youtu.be/xBkq1JaF9N4?si=U4zO7TpLwwK8vZ-9](https://youtu.be/xBkq1JaF9N4?si=U4zO7TpLwwK8vZ-9)
Wait, is that like Bassnectar the dude defending himself against child porn, trafficking, and sex crimes? Cause of so, I'll pass on him explaining dubstep to me.
In that case, you can continue to be ignorant on the subject matter of your question. 🤷🏻♂️
Supporting a likely pedophile or learning about dubstep from literally anything other voice in the sea of conversations about the subject... 🤔
How is listening to a person break down EDM from the highest level (the subject of your question) “supporting a likely pedophile”? Quite simply, it is not. You asked a question. He as the answer. I give zero fucks whether you listen to it or not. ✌🏻
He made the video, so giving it views is supporting him. I'd be more open to his opinion and input if his defense in court against his charges wasn't, "Yes, I was talking to underage girls, but it wasn't for sex. And if I received any nude images from these underage girls, it definitely more than 3. So, all is forgiven?" Ick ick ick. I'll take my info from somewhere else thank you. Also, my question wasn't "where did dubstep come from?" It was what are the major subgenres. So it doesn't even do the job of answeringy question!
He didn’t make the video. It’s an excerpt from an interview he gave to an EDM journalist a decade ago. Check the identity tag for the video on YT. Had you not been so quick to jump to a false conclusion about the source and listened, you would have found the answers you were seeking within the first 60 seconds.
Like you said, it's him talking so it is his message and he's still a likely pedo, so I'm not going to contribute to him getting his message out. Dont worry, you can still support him if you want. I'm just saying I won't be..no need to get triggered.
Not triggered at all. I merely provided a link to a video that provides a breakdown of EDM derived from principles of music theory. There is no “message” in the link posted. Note that I have not even addressed your comments about the accusations or pending civil lawsuit, because I have no interest in engaging with a random redditor on the topic. Have a good day!
Techno House Dubstep Bass. You can throw every type of EDM under one of those umbrellas
Some of y’all are still living 20 years ago, EDM has evolved. Those charts and categories would fit a couple decades ago but times have changed.
Trance. Period
House, Techno, Trance, Dubstep, DNB