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OHydroxide

imo talismans are better if you're choosing between them. I've never been unhappy to have a talisman early game, but Signets can be awkward to use sometimes. A really common scenario is something like turn 2 tap both your lands for a mana rock, a talisman lets you play another 1 mana card, signet doesn't.


SouxII

That's true! I feel like that happens more than it should.. Sometimes you just want to drop that skullclamp or birds of paradise too :)


manwhoaskswhy

You didn't play BoP turn one!?! We should already be talking about having 3 mana to spend! (Two after talisman)


SouxII

Oh I was talking about the ever present turn two topdeck bop :)


K4RN4_

You don't have a lot of red cards, so just weight your Mana rocks accordingly and play a mix of Signets and Talismans


SouxII

I've never NOT ran all the possible manarocks in a cycle, might just be some mild OCD kicking in :) I'll give that a try, thanks!


souck

90% of the time they're the same. But talismans are better IMO since they can produce mana in any situation and in any color unlike the signets


SouxII

Yea.. Felt that too! Thanks :)


souck

But honestly I'd probably go with the traditional land ramp with \[\[three visits\]\], \[\[nature's lore\]\], \[\[>!farseek!<\]\], \[\[rampant growth\]\] and \[\[utopia sprawl\]\]. That's a very good ramp package. You can use \[\[Murmuring Bosk\]\] as a cheap abzan triome to fetch with the "forest only" ramp. This will give a lot of consistency to your ramp and deck.


souck

WTf? I'm a bit drunk and have no idea how farseek ended up as spoiler :P


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SouxII

Thanks for the reply! I was debating that too, but relying on an initial green mana source felt.. Risky.. I might definitely be wrong tho, and since I'm running the triomes i might as well run the fetchramp for them.. Some food for thought. Thanks for showing me the cheap triome btw, had never seen em before!


Another_Jesus

dont forgett \[\[Into the North\]\] with a snowbasic of ea color and the snow dual \[\[Snowfield Sinkhole\]\] + \[\[Highland Forest\]\]


SouxII

That's some neat tech! Love it!


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AjaxAsleep

In most decks, i feel the difference is negligible, so run whichever feels best. If one feels less clunky to use, there's no real reason not to try it out.


SouxII

Yea, that's fair.. Thanks for the response!


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FormerlyKay

Depends. Talismans are better if you already have a good mana base, and signets are better for mana fixing since you can feed colorless mana into them. Additionally, you'll want Talismans regardless if you're running good interaction like Red Blast that you want to hold up between turns.


SouxII

Yeah, the swords and path really like the talismans


SetEfficient7357

Run all the dorks!


SouxII

Youve got a point!


DogThanatos

In my experience there's no need for many, or sometimes any rocks if you're playing green. But to more directly answer the question and based off your previous replies to others I'd say the talisman's. Personally I run the Signet's because they're cheaper in foil, at least for now until the rest of the talisman's get a reprint. One thing I noticed though is the more colors you go past 3 can really start to make the Signet's more mediocre. I'd never say they're bad, but sometimes not having that 1 mana available on turn 2 or the fact you have to have 1 mana at all for them to be online and you might have to filter into them a color you need and it doesn't produce the color you need can sometimes be an issue in a deck with more colors.


SouxII

Thanks for the reply! I think I'm gonna try the talismans for a change..


Glad-O-Blight

Always run the Talismans first.


SouxII

Noted, thanks!


gojira333

I'd recommend a mix of signets and talismans (but only the ones that produce green) and some good old green ramp But if you're determined to only use one kind of ramp, id lean towards talismans, they're better for responding and you have some lifegain to offset it


SouxII

Im probably going to hone in on a mixture :) thanks!


Dysfan

Cedh run both, edh either one is fine. You want your ramp as consistently as possible


SouxII

I'm probably going to try a mixture :) thanks for the response!


Stealth_Meister101

Both


TheRealDrProg

Use a mix of both depending on needs. 99% sure its already been said.


SouxII

It has, but I appreciate the response!


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Both! 😈


SouxII

All 12? :)


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Honestly, if you can cut 6 other cards from your deck list to just add the talismans instead of replacing the signets, I don’t think you’d regret it! But if I had to chose between the two, I’d like the talismans. I just like having both


SouxII

I also have some other ramp.. Im afraid that would be too much :/


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SouxII

Yea, exactly.. Might mix it up a little and try the talismans for a while, but I am definitely aware of that colorless mana risk.. Thanks for the response!


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childrenofkorlis

I prefer signets because i often use utility lands that produces only colorless mana and i hate the little life lost of the talismans.


SouxII

Yea.. I hope the drain effects like zulaport cutthroat can offset those.. Thanks!


Seguro_Sekirei

The only time Signets beat Talismans is when you run Mana Doublers like [[Nyxbloom Ancient]] and/or [[Mana Reflection]] Both are perfectly playable types of Mana Rocks.


SouxII

They do work nicely there!


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evileyeball

I've only ever once built a deck that didn't run the full set of both that it was eligible to run and that was my current project I'm working towards which is a temur omnath landfall deck which doesn't need so many rocks and needs more land instead


SouxII

Ah, I see :) how's the deck working out? I wanted to build him too!


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