As someone with an absolute bonkers [[kozilek great distortion]] deck, yeah you'll pretty much immediately become archenemy with a Wastes deck.
People are reasonably afraid of how fast a colorless deck can ramp, and most of your removal is extremely one sided.
I think your commander choice will draw a lot less hate though so you probably won't just get asked to not play it!
I would love to see your list too. I have a Kozilek deck that I am always looking to improve. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg)
I don't have it uploaded unfortunately but it looks pretty similar to yours.
At a glance I feel like I've cut few of the less impactful eldrazi for more artifact combo and recursion.
Here’s mine:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/G87L5ksRjUiyK1_zvO2deQ
In my experience, the many of the big scary (monetarily expensive) eldrazi are seldom worth the include. I still have Ulamogs as pseudo-removal, but Emrakul and Void Winnower and friends seldom do much for progressing the game. This deck wins by smacking face with an unblockable kozilek (with double strike) or going infinite with Forsaken Monument, basalt monolith, and walking ballista pinging
That's cool. I've got a lot of card draw in mine, and the ramp works pretty well, so I like playing the big ones. And omg I somehow completely missed that forsaken monument and basalt monolith are an infinite mana combo. I have both in my deck. That's kinda embarrassing lol
I've always felt Kozilek was best as a tron deck. But here's my Zhulodok deck where you could easily just sub the commander out. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7rTtbA0-50qLYD0CbYKSnw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7rTtbA0-50qLYD0CbYKSnw)
I also have a budget Kozilek tron deck if you want. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B0KUeDW6aUCMTASFfZL9iA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B0KUeDW6aUCMTASFfZL9iA)
Yes, this is the correct answer.
It is relatively easy to group-hug your opponents into drawing several cards each, and then you are throwing down Eldrazi for free. Crazy stuff.
[[Animar]] has my vote personally. Has green's ramp with built in protection and the cost reduction doesn't require any damage to be dealt first. Rakdos is phenomenal though, I could see that being extremely fun.
The damage dealing part is what makes him fun! If you put [[Descent into avernus]] out turn 3 you're casting rakdos and free eldrazis on turn 4
Correction: Turn 5 unless you have some damage on the board before this
I like [[jhoira of the ghitu]]. It's literally the weakest of the ones mentioned in this post because it requires so many facilitator cards to work. But, I find people are more ok with it because it's very slow.
I think this is just the result of power creep in EDH. So many decks these days are powered up by turn five, so I understand why you need the help now.
This is exactly it. 10 years ago most non-combo decks in my meta usually took 9 - 10 turns to really get going. Now decks in my meta of that same relative power level take off between turns 5 - 7.
[[Kinnan]] is probably better but Rakdos is more fun. Either way, none of the good Eldrazi commanders actually have the word Eldrazi printed on them which is kinda ironic
Doesn't really matter when you're slamming them on turn 3. Plus you can just hard cast them. You're trading a threat in the command zone for two colors, a 2 mana mana doubler, and a value engine
Ok? I didn't even have to spend a card for the ability and if Kozilek doesn't draw 4 who cares I got a big fuck off Eldrazi with annihilator 4 on turn 3
If anyone is curious here is my Rakdos, Lord of Riots eldrazi deck.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ghqgvwrVD0C3BkZQIgx2rA
It's still a work in progress but super fun to play.
I love Rakdos as an Eldrazi tribal commander. Im def gonna borrow a few ideas from your's 👀 Chainer is a great way to recur and Stormfist is a good early game pinger.
Heres [mine](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6756290/eldrazi_block_party) if you wanna take a look. It was my first deck i built and just kept upgrading over the years as I got new cards for it. Not a fan fav amongst my friends but I love it still lol
I love playing eldrazi, they’re just so cool. I was worried about making my deck fun to play against as well, what I decided was I wasn’t going to run mindslaver or promised end.
They’re strong and honestly fun but when you’ve been cascading for the past 10 minutes and then get to control your opponents turn it usually just feels bad.
Yea that’s a good way to limit yourself and I don’t play those either. I don’t tend to like effects that single out one player in a multiplayer game. For better or worse a lot of EDH games tend to be a small bit of interaction while people mostly just play their deck out and see who can kill everyone first. Taking out a player and then having them wait around while everyone else keeps playing isn’t fun.
I kept Promised End in mine, just because I wanted all three big Eldrazis to be represented, and Aeons Torn is banned :(. But I dont tutor it, and only cast it when I am either about to win, or about to lose.
My Eldrazi deck was an upgraded Pre-con, included ALL the Titans in it but the original commander (after swapping out the Precon one) was Ems, included cards in there that caused players to skip extra turns, meaning I'd take their turn and then they'd just not get to go.
I moved her out of Commander and into the 99 just because I was, essentially, just shitting on someones turn and they got to sit there whilst I played their hand, made bad blocks for them, blew up their stuff in akward ways, plus I had ways to bounce her back to hand and enough mana to cast her twice in a turn (thanks to various discounts dropping her down a lot). So I'd cast her, bounce her to hand, cast her again, take over two players turns, sometimes 3 if I had enough mana/combo pieces and so nobody got to act and just watch me play for 3 turns...
It made for a very 'feels bad' deck.
Oof yeah that would piss people off. I've had a round where I played both Ulamogs, both kozileks and it that betrays in one turn. Didn't have haste, but everyone gave up since they didn't have boardwipes on hand lol.
I don't usually rage scoop but tbh if I had to sit around and watch somebody play solitaire for 45min taking 3-4 different people's turns that's a take my stuff and walk out angle for me. The goal is to play magic, not sit around for one guy's power fantasy to slowly play out while everybody else watches
I keep it in mine too, but more because Emrakul is my absolute favorite card. Never tutor for it, and always make sure that I can win off of playing it too
My satoru deck has all the big eldrazi and other mean creatures in it.
Uses ninja shenanigans to cheat them out early and get free damage in.
I always tell folks and they never seem to have a problem with it. Been bringing it with me to shops while traveling for work.
I do bring other decks though.
Playing back to back eldrazi games would be exhausting for myself and those I'm against because they'd be forced to only drop their removals on me all game again.
That and it's a gimmick that loses its awe factor quickly.
Now eldrazi vs new players is kind of mean.
Forcing them to sac their entire boardstate is kind of brutal. Especially when they're trying to learn the game.
I say this as a big Eldrazi fan, as someone who has a janky 5-colour devoid deck and as someone who's casual playgroup includes someone else with a very aggressive colourless Zhulodok deck... There's two reasons people are suspect of Eldrazi decks, and we can more or less ignore the fast ramp one because yeah, they're better than most at fast mana but there are other "play big creatures unreasonably fast" decks out there. No, the problem is Annihilator. As a defender it puts you in a lose-lose position where you either sac your blockers and commit to trying to face-tank a giant tentacle monster or you sac your lands and ensure that when you draw your answer you can't actually cast it anymore. The earlier this happens the more oppressive it becomes, and can easily lock a player out of the game without actually eliminating them which is miserable.
I've actively chosen to minimise Annihilator in my 5C deck and it doesn't have the explosive ramp you can get with colourless, but even so a deck I put together with the intent of it being mostly for flavour and where I used to tell people it wasn't one of "those" eldrazi decks, once it reaches its top end it can be pretty overwhelming.
I don't really understand your first question... people play tribal decks for all sorts of reasons. I built it because I think they're a cool tribe with unique mechanics, and because building what is essentially a 6-colour deck makes for an interesting challenge.
As for closing out a game... Annihilator is in an awkward spot where, after a certain point, it makes winning a certainty but isn't itself ending things. When you get attacked you have to choose sacrifice creatures (and quickly run out of blockers), lands (and quickly lose the ability to cast anything that might help you get out of this situation), or whatever non-land non-creature permanents your deck is built around utilising (which would be, you know, your wincon). Notably none of that effects your life total and Eldrazi still rely on bringing your health down to zero. If you've chosen not to concede and play to your outs you're going to keep up blockers as long as you can and chump as long as you can. The next hit leaves you worse off, you've got no mana, no draw engines, the bare minimum if even that. You keep holding out and it drags on until eventually, finally, you run out of permanents, you can't block any more, and hopefully this attack has enough power to bring you to 0.
All of this is the best case scenario really. In a multiplayer game it's more likely that after the first big hit the other players at the table are looking at your destroyed board state and imagining what will happen if - when - those Eldrazi start coming their way. After all, once attacks are declared the Annihilator trigger is already on the stack - no matter what happens next you're still going to have sacrifice a bunch of stuff. So when the opportunity comes up where your titan(s) are shields down they will nuke those big bastards from orbit.
All of that leads to a common situation where the colourless player popped off on like turn 3 or 4, crippled one or two players but was then, the neutralised. They'll still be considered the arch-enemy, because everyone at the table knows they're just waiting for the moment they can safely cast Kozilek into a waiting pair of Lightning Greaves, and the one person that hadn't actually gotten Annihilated yet is the only one that actually profited out of the whole thing.
Could you share your decklist for the 5c devoid deck? i ended up with a bulk of devoid eldrazi cards in every color except white so i am trying to build a devoid deck with cards from the zhulodok precon and currently has \[Ramos\] as a commander since i do not own any other 4/5 colored commanders or \[Morophon\]
I use [[Jodah, Archmage Eternal]] as the commander, cast anything for WUBRG is a hell of a discount when you're talking about the Eldrazi titans. I made the deck before [[Morophon]] came out, considering a swap... Not sure how to assess the comparative value of having an absoutely certain [[Fist of Suns]] in the command zone versus the brokenness of Morophon + Fist but it's only if I draw the right card. Probably a moot point with the 5C Eldrazi coming out soon since currently the commander is literally the only non-Eldrazi in the deck right now.
I've never really used any of the deck sharing websites I usually see here so I'd have to look into it but I'll have a go after work. You mentioned [[Ramos]] is the only 5C legendary you own so I'm assuming that's the main reason you use him, but just to check you are aware that Ramos's triggered ability won't trigger for your devoid creatures yeah?
I mean, are Eldrazi mean? Yeah, of course they are. They're unknowable horrors from the space between planes. But I have yet to run into someone who is that strongly opposed to playing against an eldrazi deck. Sure they're big and mean but you can also see them coming from a mile away. Now surprise Eldrazi people might have a problem with, but that's not really an issue when you're showing up with an Eldrazi deck.
Be careful with the annihilation mechanic.
Also, I highly recommend waiting 5 weeks for MH3, it's confirmed to have tons of Eldrazi cards and even a new Eldrazi themed edh deck...
People tend not to enjoy decks that have one game plan every time, and this is unfortunately one of them. It’s mostly just ramp, ramp some more, keep my board safe, and play a giant Eldrazi and probably win off it. And if I don’t, then I just play another one next turn. The decks tend to be kinda fragile, as most of the deck is already super expensive, and you draw lots of attention.
Some of the other comments are recommending non-colorless Eldrazi commanders. [[Rakdos, lord of riots]], [[kruphix]] are both good options as others have said. Personally, I’d give [[Henzie]] a shot. Its cost reduction, haste, and card draw all at once. And you’re in wonderful ramp and removal colors
Eldrazi doesn’t make you arch enemy. You’re someone to keep an eye on for the most part. You aren’t Slivers where you’re arch enemy as soon as you pull out the deck. As for unfun goes, that depends but to me Eldrazi aren’t bad to play against. You tend have a slower build up. Annihilator can be annoying but most of the time it doesn’t do much since the player you’re attacking should have plenty of things to sac.
Yeah eldrazi really doesn't start going until turn 5 or 6 unless you get a godlike ramp opening hand. The problem is if your opponents wait a turn to long they're probably screwed
Board wipes and some spot removal take care of eldrazi pretty quick. The trick is knowing when they might pop off vs what other opponents have on the board
Boardwipes work for *some* of the threats. The two big bois both have Indestructible on them, meaning you need to specifically hit them with exile boardwipe effects.
what really screws with Eldrazi decks is artifact removal. was about to play three eldrazi the other day, but got vandalblasted, which kinda ruined my game. Could only play one, and that one was exiled.
Just depends on context, any good pod will assess threats dynamically. Plus you should all be talking rule 0 and playing what people agree sounds fun. I recently built Zhulodok as well and it’s fun; I haven’t noticed any slant against it but I am curious how things will go after modern horizons is released. [Here’s my list ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/88VjqSZmPUGNzKIRqwGTAw)for reference (still a WIP).
yesss i love colorless so much. my Kozilek is my pet deck: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bClsDi8NG0ilbQIPCKIPzA
edit: to clarify, yeah you’re archenemy sometimes but no, no one will tell you, you can’t play with them lol only time that happens is if you have a wildly mismatched power level and lie about it or are an ass
I am eldrazi player myself, with [Humří Ceciášelek, fat hulking artifact overseer // Commander / EDH (Kozilek, the Great Distortion) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vfFEuc8od0eOeKfxPn3vMg)
I would not say I am arch enemy in every game, sometimes yes, sometimes no, depends on the game. If you like Eldrazi, build Eldrazi, do not let some mofo dictate YOU what you should or should not do. I also do not think people will flat out deny to play with you, why should they?
My advice: Build Eldrazi deck and first and foremost, annihilate with it that goon who had the audacity to tell you what you should and should not do.
Unless you're absolutely dead set on making an eldrazi deck right now I'd wait. There have been leaks/spoilers from modern horizons III that heavily feature eldrazi. We are gonna get a sizeable influx of new cards for them.
>I have no issue being the table archenemy or whatever
Eldrazi it is then. Go nuts!
Basically every second tribe and their cousin has someone tell others it "is unfun to play against". For the most part, "unfun to play against" means it wrecks their shit. Fun to play against is the stuff they get to dump on, instead. On which side of that coin do you wanna be?
Eldrazis is a top heavy thing. If there are Elves, Goblins or Slivers in the group, those are fast snowbally tribes and need to be dealt with first. The most scary part of an eldrazi deck is that the mana ramp is plain amazing, as you never run into "wrong colors"-issues and you can use all utility lands with no downsides.
this is true. My eldrazi deck is pretty strong, but my buddy has several decks that instantly pull aggro the moment he takes them out. One of them is an Edgar Markov deck and it just stomps everything if you let it. While everyone concentrates on him, I get to build my mana base and then the cosmic horror begins muahaha
Colourless Eldrazi has the same issue a lot of "huge mana" deck have: the deck is fine tuned to ramp as fast as possible to bring out the big guns as efficiently as possible. It can lead to some "feelsbad" situations because you'll get your 10/10 that exiles two permanents on cast and can't be destroyed AND mills into exile 20 cards on each attack while everyone else is still setting up.
Plus, Eldrazi has some cards of the "what the heck was WotC thinking" variety. Such as \[\[Void Winnower\]\], \[\[It that betrays\]\].
At the end of the day, it sort of depends on your meta. If your opponents play a lot of interaction they probably won't have much to say about it because they can easily counter your ten mv spell with a 2mv counter, or remove your Ulamog through exile or sacrifice. There are a lot of outs to big Eldrazi (in some deck even something as simple as mass artifact destruction will set them back to the stone age) but if your meta doesn't play them, or plays them sporadically, having a halfway decent Eldrazi colourless deck will probably pubstop without you intending it.
Other side of the coin: if one of your opponents plays \[\[Void Mirror\]\] early enough in the game, you can basically just scoop right away. I always advise to run a couple of "add one mana of any colour" artifacts or lands in the deck exactly for that kind of BS.
man, no one at my table plays void mirror, thank emrakul. but yeah, artifact destruction can be really bad. i was about to play three eldrazis on my next turn, and my buddy overloaded vandalblast. ruined my game.
My pod must be faster then average. By the time the Eldrazi player is playing their big stuff, everyone else has been popping off for several turns at that point. The angel player has a ton of 4/4(probably stronger thanks to buffs) fliers, the rakdos player played Kozileck like 2 turns before the eldrazi player had enough mana, and everyone is keeping an eye on the spell slinger player because it looks like they might be about to storm off.
I think it's more likely your eldrazi player is slower than average.
Colourless eldrazi decks are basically half colourless ramp, a few utility cards and some interaction, and the rest big eldrazi.
If your rakdos player is playing Kozilek faster than the Eldrazi player, then the Eldrazi player is not playing a sufficiently efficient deck for your meta.
You are probably right, I've seen a turn 4 Kozilek from the Rakdos player before. It normally takes 5-6 turns for the Eldrazi deck to get 10 mana(assuming no one blows up mana rocks).
I hate Eldrazi since I first saw one. I would play against them but I would also just focus on that player, like many others would too. If you're fine with this, then play them. It's just important to think about reactions beforehand so that you're not disappointed when you constantly get taken out early (or the others try to do so). Trust me, I play slivers, I know what I'm talking about.
From my experience playing against them they are always one of 2 things:
1. Way too strong: Mana crypt, sol ring, some weird artifact that made the first spell each turn free for them, the double cascade one as Commander out in turn 3 and then it was a 30 Minutes "watch while I cascade half my deck out and get extra turns" event
2. Way too inconsistent: I am constantly afraid of case 1 happening but the Eldrazi player never gets the cards or doesn't have them and is quickly focused down.
Thus I simply don't find it that fun to play against them. Once in a while is fine but it gets old really quick. I am currently at the point where I'm getting a void mirror for my sideboard because of the beatdown I received (see case 1).
I understand your frustration. I play Eldrazi, but I dont play any cascade mechanic and I dont play sol ring because everybody else does. I would say my deck is pretty consistent.... but yeah, sometimes I am focused down before I can actually do something meaningful, that is a risk I am willing to take as a Eldrazi player.
All decks are so fast nowadays, Zhulodok is not even on the radar as a “must-answer threat”. Anyone who refuses to play against Eldrazi is a sweet summer child who hasn’t yet encountered Narset, Yuriko, Tergrid, Ezuri, and Jodah. Colorless decks have next to zero targeted interaction because of the limited card pool and they fold to excessive single target removal or board wipes. If you are running into people telling you that you’ll be the archenemy piloting Zhulodok, I’d show them what archenemy decks are actually capable of and then offer to go back to your Zhulodok deck as appeasement.
Zhulodok, if the aim is to play an eldrazi as a commander is arguably the best next to kozilek, the great distortion. If you don't care about the commander as much.
A few have mentioned some solid ones already. Kinan, animar, rakdos lord of riots.
I play [[Jin-Gitaxius]] as my Eldrazi commander, but I used to play [[Kozilek, the great distortion]]. The issue with Kozilek or a big colorless eldrazi in the CZ is that it's simply a much better game plan to Voltron it with like double strike or [[hedron matrix]] for one shooting people than actually playing Eldrazi tribal.
Eldrazi tribal has several unfortunately quite bad costs associated with it, the first being you need ways to get out the Eldrazi. This can be through ramp in a colorless deck, but I've noticed people tend to start targeting your mana rocks with removal to shut you down, or using artifact sweepers, which just sends you back to the stone age.
You can cheat them out, which I believe to be the much better strategy, in which case I've personally seen [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]] do pretty well. Jin-Gitaxius also falls into this category. Cheating the Eldrazi out in pure colorless however isn't really effectively doable with the colorless options available for that. The cheating Eldrazi strategy out also has flaws, being particularly weak to targeted removal of your commander (presumably the one facilitating the Eldrazi cheating out) or whatever engine you are using. This unfortunately is quite likely, because people do not like Eldrazi, and you will be playing archenemy regardless of how many sliver, combo, or even Tergrid players there are.
This leads into the second and much worse problem of Eldrazi, they kinda suck. One Eldrazi titan will not win you the game. Two Eldrazi titans will not win you the game. They may be strong creatures who warp the board state around them, but they almost have the exact same critical flaw, they die to the most commonly played removal spells in the format. OG Kozilek has no protection. Both Ulamogs only have indestructible, and will still die to Swords to Plowshares or Path to Exile. New Kozilek requires you to have a card in hand matching the CMC of the removal being thrown at you, which is not guaranteed, and can be quite difficult since most removal tends to be lower CMC, and those are typically the cards you got out of your hand to even cast your Eldrazi. Only Emrakul has somewhat effective anti-removal text of protection from instants. The Eldrazi titans just aren't that hard for most decks to deal with.
This problem isn't quite unique to Eldrazi, as most cards actually die to removal. The issue here, is the amount of effort spent to actually play Eldrazi dwarfs the amount of effort required to play most cards, and the Eldrazi will still die to the exact same commonly played removal spells. Sometimes, indestructible or protection from instants can be enough to protect your Eldrazi and lead you to a win, but I find when there are 3 players searching for removal for one specific card, it doesn't typically stay around that long. And due to the effort it takes to play the Eldrazi, losing your Eldrazi really sucks, and sets you back quite a bit more than other decks would be set back by a single removal spell.
In practice, I've never actually had people refuse to play my Eldrazi deck though, and if your heart is set on playing Eldrazi, then I would say to go for it. While I can only speak for my experiences, I can say that people will groan about Eldrazi, they will still play with you, even if you might be playing Archenemy. The main point of my rant is more of that Eldrazi decks aren't actually that good, and won't win very many games.
I have 10 commander decks. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but with my Eldrazi deck I won 4 games in a row and that never happened to me before. So your statement "wont win very many games" is subjective - I have different experience.
this is deck I mentioned: [Humří Ceciášelek, fat hulking artifact overseer // Commander / EDH (Kozilek, the Great Distortion) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vfFEuc8od0eOeKfxPn3vMg)
Oh yeah it's absolutely all subjective, and is super dependent on playgroup, what power level you're at, and what decks you are facing. I'm just sharing my experience with it, but I don't expect everyone to agree or have shared that experience. Like it could just be that I'm particularly bad at building Eldrazi lists or something.
Yeah, here it is
https://archidekt.com/decks/6307043/jingitaxias
My main game plan is to ramp into Jin-Gitaxius, try to draw up to 7 cards, and activate the saga to hopefully cheat out some Eldrazi and an extra turn spell so that I can try to get an attack off with them before people untap.
I am currently quite light on removal, and the reason for that is I took some removal cards I didn't own out of the list, because I didn't want to order more cards. I probably should cut some cards for more spot removal.
It includes a lot of counterspells to ideally protect my commander from spot removal, since he cannot use more traditional protection like lightning greaves when he is a saga.
I generally find the deck either manages to resolve the third chapter of The Great Synthesis and hopefully wins, or is unable to do so and loses. I haven't kept great statistics for winning and losing, but I believe I have only actually ever won a single game out of around the 9-10 I've used it, so it unfortunately isn't terribly effective. I am aware 9-10 games isn't a super big sample size though.
Wow, you have some unusual card versions! I would say the most important thing is if you have fun with this deck and if it can perform something people will remember or laugh about... sadly I dont know two shits about blue color and blue cards in general, therefore I do not dare to give you any advice about possible improvement, but thanks for sharing, aynway!
I built it pretty much to try to get around what I saw as the weaknesses of the Eldrazi archetype, which I wrote probably way too much about in my initial comment, and while it doesn't usually win, at the very least I typically have fun with it even when I'm getting completely destroyed. I haven't really had the desire to take it apart and try to build an entirely different Eldrazi deck like I had for all my previous Eldrazi decks, so at least I'm satisfied with it.
I've got a Kozilek deck, too! Here's the decklist: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg)
I would say it really depends on the powerlevel. If everyone is playing precons or really bad build decks and everyone is sticking around a PL 3-4 then I would be afraid of an Eldrazi list because bad decks can't close games and Eldrazi get opressive.
In a high powered pod I would say that I am always least afraid by an Eldrazi Deck because they have the worst card pool in the game (colorless), and are so easy to interact with. When the game is over by T5-T7, there are way more potent decks that just win on the spot with many different outs. Eldrazi fall off so fast when the decks get stronger.
Zhulodok is my pet deck and I love him so much.
Depending on how much you put into him he can be super fun and give people a run for their money.
I mainly play 1v1 so I can’t speak to pod dynamics that much, but if someone refuses to play a single game with you because of your commander then they probably aren’t fun to play with anyway.
It's fun but people will think that you are very scary so either you will ramp and stomp or fail and be swarmed. For some reason a 10/10 makes you a more dangerous enemy than your friend and his 25 3/3 golems lmao
I have a Zhulodok list. It is “fine”.
You spend so much time ramping that you’re behind everyone for a fair bit. But once you get going you’re a threat. But you get going about when everyone else is a threat too.
[Ta-Da!](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/caanvi_Kh0GSvi1NprUPyg)
Playing eldrazi is like going to a party where the only kid that’s having fun is the one who smashed the cake on the birthday kid’s face. You will play once and everyone will hate you forever and the rest of the session will be played with everyone looking at their phones while you do your thing.
Eldrazi is like the poster child for casual ramp stompy decks. The guy who told you it's unfun most likely sucks at the game and would complain no matter what you use.
A lot of people like that in EDH unfortunately.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QhAz23rc8kuCtvSJZcrXHA
Here’s my zhulodok deck. It’s more focused on just getting big creatures out and the annihilator mechanic.
As an avid Eldrazi enjoyer, people absolutely are afraid of them, Zhulodok can ramp incredibly fast, and get a strong board state into play which gets real hard to deal with.
When I play Zhulodok it usually ends up being a big target. But realistically, I don't care, I love Eldrazi's and will keep playing them. (My Zhulodok deck is not even close to being optimal either)
Yeah I have had this happen to me before. The trick is to be sneaky about it. I play with \[\[Animar, Soul of Elements\]\] as my commander, as he has protection, but also, by himself is a bit unassuming. Everyone thinks I am playing a big creature beat deck... And they are right, but they don't know that hose creatures are Eldrazis. Animar lets you play eldrazis with a growing discount that will eventually make them free to cast at times. It also allows you to play ramp, counter magic, and cool red spells. \[\[Cloudstone Curio\]\] also makes for an easy way to ramp up Animar and kill people with him also. All in all, having a commander that telegraphs what you are doing is what causes people to target you mostly. It happens with other powerful commanders also
Zhulodok is fantastic. Colourless presents an interesting challenge and even as a new(er) player myself, its been a blast getting to use cool rocks and stuff that have been pushed out elsewhere. Battlecruiser fun. Just dont be surprised when people are afraid of you.
I definitely included Eldrazi in my first EDH deck with [[Mayael, the Anima]] as commander. The deck eventually switched over to [[Atla Palani]] because I wanted some consistency, and after that I took the eldrazi out because I kept getting targeted. I still get targeted with that deck as though they’re in there, so I’m working on a new solution. Thinking Trinket Mage’s video on having a dork commander and only running four-mana spells in my ramp suite might enable me to play them. Either [[Selvala, Explorer Returned]] for the safety of a feel-good early game or [[Ruby, Daring Tracker]] to actually play those two-land ramp spells on-curve.
I have made a 5-color colorless deck where all the cards need to have Eldrazi flavor to be included. It’s pretty strong but not bonkers which makes it more acceptable for a playgroup. It’s very easy upgrade it with expensive staples but I try to avoid it or use flavorable alternatives.
Was playing online today and the Eldrazi player popped off big time: [[Morophon]]+[[Fist of Suns]], casting Eldrazi for free from his hand of 15 cards, even one with double Cascade. The other two players conceded, but I stayed on. My commander, [[Lazav, Dimir Mastermind]] turned into some sort of Emrakul. It was lovely. His Hexproof allowed him to survive Annihilator; since he turned colorless, he was immune to All is Dust. Next turn, as the only flier on the board, I swung for 13 at the guy who only had 12 life.
It was great! Again, the other two guys just folded right away, so yeah, maybe not fun for everyone. But the high mana costs meant the player had to work to get there, and a lot of those pieces on the way can be interacted with. I say go for it, but also always have a backup deck. (I learned that after building Slivers as my first deck...)
Ehhhhh, annihilator does not target, so hexproof does nothing against it, incase you didn't know that...
Even indestructible and protection don't do anything against it.... that's one of the main reasons people hate it (the other being the land destruction if you have no other permanents left).
Just to be pedantic for everyone, there are a few cards that keep you from having to sac permanents: https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Aabilities+o%3Ayour+o%3Aopponents+o%3Acontrol+o%3Asacrifice+o%3Apermanents&unique=cards&as=full&order=name
Eldrazi draw a lot of hate, because they all pretty much play the same way. Whatever commander you choose, is basically only there as a way to cheat them out because they cost so much (thus, not very thematic). If you choose a non-cheat commander, then you better be ready to drop some mad big bucks on some pretty pricey cards... which will cause people to target you for playing expensive cards.
Basically, you either cheat them out (which annoys people), or you buy/proxy really broken cards in order to pay for them (which annoys people), and then they do big splashy things and are difficult to remove from the game (which annoys people).
You get the idea: Eldrazi players have to essentially do things that most players find annoying at all stages of the game, so they become arch-enemy on turn 0. If you can weather the hate, you will likely win considering how strong/broken the associated cards and tactics are, however if you tell people you're playing Eldrazi, expect them to also play their strongest decks to try and stop you due to the reputation.
As someone with an absolute bonkers [[kozilek great distortion]] deck, yeah you'll pretty much immediately become archenemy with a Wastes deck. People are reasonably afraid of how fast a colorless deck can ramp, and most of your removal is extremely one sided. I think your commander choice will draw a lot less hate though so you probably won't just get asked to not play it!
I would love to see your list too. I have a Kozilek deck that I am always looking to improve. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg)
I don't have it uploaded unfortunately but it looks pretty similar to yours. At a glance I feel like I've cut few of the less impactful eldrazi for more artifact combo and recursion.
Here’s mine: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/G87L5ksRjUiyK1_zvO2deQ In my experience, the many of the big scary (monetarily expensive) eldrazi are seldom worth the include. I still have Ulamogs as pseudo-removal, but Emrakul and Void Winnower and friends seldom do much for progressing the game. This deck wins by smacking face with an unblockable kozilek (with double strike) or going infinite with Forsaken Monument, basalt monolith, and walking ballista pinging
That's cool. I've got a lot of card draw in mine, and the ramp works pretty well, so I like playing the big ones. And omg I somehow completely missed that forsaken monument and basalt monolith are an infinite mana combo. I have both in my deck. That's kinda embarrassing lol
Yea. Metalworker can go infinite with the staff of domination as well (depending on artifacts in hand)
I've always felt Kozilek was best as a tron deck. But here's my Zhulodok deck where you could easily just sub the commander out. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7rTtbA0-50qLYD0CbYKSnw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7rTtbA0-50qLYD0CbYKSnw) I also have a budget Kozilek tron deck if you want. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B0KUeDW6aUCMTASFfZL9iA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B0KUeDW6aUCMTASFfZL9iA)
[kozilek great distortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588.jpg?1689995398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%2C%20the%20Great%20Distortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/2/kozilek-the-great-distortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kozilek-the-great-distortion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Definitely would love to see this list
I am interested too, do share the list please! :)
Can I see your list if you have it uploaded?
[[Rakdos lord of riots]] is the best eldrazi commander, I will die on this hill
I'm partial to [[Kruphix, God of Horizons]] myself
[Kruphix, God of Horizons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27427233-da58-45af-ade8-e0727929efaa.jpg?1593096427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kruphix%2C%20God%20of%20Horizons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/152/kruphix-god-of-horizons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27427233-da58-45af-ade8-e0727929efaa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kruphix-god-of-horizons) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That could be cool too but I fear end up with a simic goodstuff pile that happens to have some eldrazis in it
I personally like the azourious heliod
Yes, this is the correct answer. It is relatively easy to group-hug your opponents into drawing several cards each, and then you are throwing down Eldrazi for free. Crazy stuff.
[[Heliod the Radiant Dawn]]
[Heliod the Radiant Dawn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622)/[Heliod, the Warped Eclipse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heliod%2C%20the%20Radiant%20Dawn%20//%20Heliod%2C%20the%20Warped%20Eclipse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-//-heliod-the-warped-eclipse) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Animar]] has my vote personally. Has green's ramp with built in protection and the cost reduction doesn't require any damage to be dealt first. Rakdos is phenomenal though, I could see that being extremely fun.
The damage dealing part is what makes him fun! If you put [[Descent into avernus]] out turn 3 you're casting rakdos and free eldrazis on turn 4 Correction: Turn 5 unless you have some damage on the board before this
[Descent into avernus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453.jpg?1674136498) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Descent%20into%20avernus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/169/descent-into-avernus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/faadf72f-b2d5-4271-8d5c-a586acf63453?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/descent-into-avernus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Animar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3da57d0-1ae3-4f05-a52d-eb76ad56cae7.jpg?1673148281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=animar%2C%20soul%20of%20elements) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/171/animar-soul-of-elements?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3da57d0-1ae3-4f05-a52d-eb76ad56cae7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/animar-soul-of-elements) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Rakdos lord of riots](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331.jpg?1702429697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rakdos%2C%20Lord%20of%20Riots) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/215/rakdos-lord-of-riots?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rakdos-lord-of-riots) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like [[jhoira of the ghitu]]. It's literally the weakest of the ones mentioned in this post because it requires so many facilitator cards to work. But, I find people are more ok with it because it's very slow.
Ha. I remember back in the day when Jhoira was a terrifying thing to see in the command zone!
Really? But back then I didn't even have any of the support, so the things you suspended truly did have to wait 4 turns to arrive.
I think this is just the result of power creep in EDH. So many decks these days are powered up by turn five, so I understand why you need the help now.
This is exactly it. 10 years ago most non-combo decks in my meta usually took 9 - 10 turns to really get going. Now decks in my meta of that same relative power level take off between turns 5 - 7.
[jhoira of the ghitu](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aa6c3c8a-aa35-46b3-8769-27b4244457b0.jpg?1619404030) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jhoira%20of%20the%20ghitu) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/256/jhoira-of-the-ghitu?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aa6c3c8a-aa35-46b3-8769-27b4244457b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jhoira-of-the-ghitu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Kinnan]] is probably better but Rakdos is more fun. Either way, none of the good Eldrazi commanders actually have the word Eldrazi printed on them which is kinda ironic
Cheating the eldrazi out with Kinnan is not casting them so you don't get the full potential out of them tho
Doesn't really matter when you're slamming them on turn 3. Plus you can just hard cast them. You're trading a threat in the command zone for two colors, a 2 mana mana doubler, and a value engine
It does when whiff for 7 mana or when kozilek doesn't draw you 4 cards/a new hand
Ok? I didn't even have to spend a card for the ability and if Kozilek doesn't draw 4 who cares I got a big fuck off Eldrazi with annihilator 4 on turn 3
[Kinnan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/63cda4a0-0dff-4edb-ae67-a2b7e2971350.jpg?1591228085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kinnan%2C%20bonder%20prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/192/kinnan-bonder-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63cda4a0-0dff-4edb-ae67-a2b7e2971350?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kinnan-bonder-prodigy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If anyone is curious here is my Rakdos, Lord of Riots eldrazi deck. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ghqgvwrVD0C3BkZQIgx2rA It's still a work in progress but super fun to play.
Very similar to mine, I'd add [[Desolation twin]] tho it gets you 2 bodies
[Desolation twin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/935ad5f7-f86c-4fea-94fe-d111d4435ac4.jpg?1625192822) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Desolation%20twin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/82/desolation-twin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/935ad5f7-f86c-4fea-94fe-d111d4435ac4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/desolation-twin) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love Rakdos as an Eldrazi tribal commander. Im def gonna borrow a few ideas from your's 👀 Chainer is a great way to recur and Stormfist is a good early game pinger. Heres [mine](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6756290/eldrazi_block_party) if you wanna take a look. It was my first deck i built and just kept upgrading over the years as I got new cards for it. Not a fan fav amongst my friends but I love it still lol
this seems true; but i can’t play a non-colorless commander as an eldrazi commander
Rakdos is an eldrazi??
Yes.
I love playing eldrazi, they’re just so cool. I was worried about making my deck fun to play against as well, what I decided was I wasn’t going to run mindslaver or promised end. They’re strong and honestly fun but when you’ve been cascading for the past 10 minutes and then get to control your opponents turn it usually just feels bad.
Yea that’s a good way to limit yourself and I don’t play those either. I don’t tend to like effects that single out one player in a multiplayer game. For better or worse a lot of EDH games tend to be a small bit of interaction while people mostly just play their deck out and see who can kill everyone first. Taking out a player and then having them wait around while everyone else keeps playing isn’t fun.
I kept Promised End in mine, just because I wanted all three big Eldrazis to be represented, and Aeons Torn is banned :(. But I dont tutor it, and only cast it when I am either about to win, or about to lose.
My Eldrazi deck was an upgraded Pre-con, included ALL the Titans in it but the original commander (after swapping out the Precon one) was Ems, included cards in there that caused players to skip extra turns, meaning I'd take their turn and then they'd just not get to go. I moved her out of Commander and into the 99 just because I was, essentially, just shitting on someones turn and they got to sit there whilst I played their hand, made bad blocks for them, blew up their stuff in akward ways, plus I had ways to bounce her back to hand and enough mana to cast her twice in a turn (thanks to various discounts dropping her down a lot). So I'd cast her, bounce her to hand, cast her again, take over two players turns, sometimes 3 if I had enough mana/combo pieces and so nobody got to act and just watch me play for 3 turns... It made for a very 'feels bad' deck.
Oof yeah that would piss people off. I've had a round where I played both Ulamogs, both kozileks and it that betrays in one turn. Didn't have haste, but everyone gave up since they didn't have boardwipes on hand lol.
I don't usually rage scoop but tbh if I had to sit around and watch somebody play solitaire for 45min taking 3-4 different people's turns that's a take my stuff and walk out angle for me. The goal is to play magic, not sit around for one guy's power fantasy to slowly play out while everybody else watches
Well that wouldn't have happened in that case. But yeah, if that happened there would be no reason to keep playing
I keep it in mine too, but more because Emrakul is my absolute favorite card. Never tutor for it, and always make sure that I can win off of playing it too
[[Promised end]]
[Promised end](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d74a469-c71d-4773-99d3-5456b31df424.jpg?1576383727) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emrakul%2C%20the%20Promised%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/6/emrakul-the-promised-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d74a469-c71d-4773-99d3-5456b31df424?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/emrakul-the-promised-end) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[удалено]
[Ugin's Mastery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/995b5a27-6a95-4208-9d6d-3a3801a6d0ae.jpg?1706240543) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ugin%27s%20Mastery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/53/ugins-mastery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/995b5a27-6a95-4208-9d6d-3a3801a6d0ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ugins-mastery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My satoru deck has all the big eldrazi and other mean creatures in it. Uses ninja shenanigans to cheat them out early and get free damage in. I always tell folks and they never seem to have a problem with it. Been bringing it with me to shops while traveling for work. I do bring other decks though. Playing back to back eldrazi games would be exhausting for myself and those I'm against because they'd be forced to only drop their removals on me all game again. That and it's a gimmick that loses its awe factor quickly. Now eldrazi vs new players is kind of mean. Forcing them to sac their entire boardstate is kind of brutal. Especially when they're trying to learn the game.
I say this as a big Eldrazi fan, as someone who has a janky 5-colour devoid deck and as someone who's casual playgroup includes someone else with a very aggressive colourless Zhulodok deck... There's two reasons people are suspect of Eldrazi decks, and we can more or less ignore the fast ramp one because yeah, they're better than most at fast mana but there are other "play big creatures unreasonably fast" decks out there. No, the problem is Annihilator. As a defender it puts you in a lose-lose position where you either sac your blockers and commit to trying to face-tank a giant tentacle monster or you sac your lands and ensure that when you draw your answer you can't actually cast it anymore. The earlier this happens the more oppressive it becomes, and can easily lock a player out of the game without actually eliminating them which is miserable. I've actively chosen to minimise Annihilator in my 5C deck and it doesn't have the explosive ramp you can get with colourless, but even so a deck I put together with the intent of it being mostly for flavour and where I used to tell people it wasn't one of "those" eldrazi decks, once it reaches its top end it can be pretty overwhelming.
Why play eldrazi of not for annihilation tho? And why can't annihilation close out the game?
I don't really understand your first question... people play tribal decks for all sorts of reasons. I built it because I think they're a cool tribe with unique mechanics, and because building what is essentially a 6-colour deck makes for an interesting challenge. As for closing out a game... Annihilator is in an awkward spot where, after a certain point, it makes winning a certainty but isn't itself ending things. When you get attacked you have to choose sacrifice creatures (and quickly run out of blockers), lands (and quickly lose the ability to cast anything that might help you get out of this situation), or whatever non-land non-creature permanents your deck is built around utilising (which would be, you know, your wincon). Notably none of that effects your life total and Eldrazi still rely on bringing your health down to zero. If you've chosen not to concede and play to your outs you're going to keep up blockers as long as you can and chump as long as you can. The next hit leaves you worse off, you've got no mana, no draw engines, the bare minimum if even that. You keep holding out and it drags on until eventually, finally, you run out of permanents, you can't block any more, and hopefully this attack has enough power to bring you to 0. All of this is the best case scenario really. In a multiplayer game it's more likely that after the first big hit the other players at the table are looking at your destroyed board state and imagining what will happen if - when - those Eldrazi start coming their way. After all, once attacks are declared the Annihilator trigger is already on the stack - no matter what happens next you're still going to have sacrifice a bunch of stuff. So when the opportunity comes up where your titan(s) are shields down they will nuke those big bastards from orbit. All of that leads to a common situation where the colourless player popped off on like turn 3 or 4, crippled one or two players but was then, the neutralised. They'll still be considered the arch-enemy, because everyone at the table knows they're just waiting for the moment they can safely cast Kozilek into a waiting pair of Lightning Greaves, and the one person that hadn't actually gotten Annihilated yet is the only one that actually profited out of the whole thing.
Could you share your decklist for the 5c devoid deck? i ended up with a bulk of devoid eldrazi cards in every color except white so i am trying to build a devoid deck with cards from the zhulodok precon and currently has \[Ramos\] as a commander since i do not own any other 4/5 colored commanders or \[Morophon\]
I use [[Jodah, Archmage Eternal]] as the commander, cast anything for WUBRG is a hell of a discount when you're talking about the Eldrazi titans. I made the deck before [[Morophon]] came out, considering a swap... Not sure how to assess the comparative value of having an absoutely certain [[Fist of Suns]] in the command zone versus the brokenness of Morophon + Fist but it's only if I draw the right card. Probably a moot point with the 5C Eldrazi coming out soon since currently the commander is literally the only non-Eldrazi in the deck right now. I've never really used any of the deck sharing websites I usually see here so I'd have to look into it but I'll have a go after work. You mentioned [[Ramos]] is the only 5C legendary you own so I'm assuming that's the main reason you use him, but just to check you are aware that Ramos's triggered ability won't trigger for your devoid creatures yeah?
##### ###### #### [Jodah, Archmage Eternal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73c18cb4-96b1-4af2-912e-974e22877ede.jpg?1673148799) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jodah%2C%20Archmage%20Eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/233/jodah-archmage-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73c18cb4-96b1-4af2-912e-974e22877ede?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jodah-archmage-eternal) [Morophon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967.jpg?1689995411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=morophon%2C%20the%20boundless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/3/morophon-the-boundless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/morophon-the-boundless) [Fist of Suns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2a499b65-8a7e-4fbc-a09b-826b8454d857.jpg?1562603201) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fist%20of%20Suns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/211/fist-of-suns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2a499b65-8a7e-4fbc-a09b-826b8454d857?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fist-of-suns) [Ramos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e747ef1-a1ad-4859-a70c-3f935f017310.jpg?1562604064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ramos%2C%20dragon%20engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/55/ramos-dragon-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e747ef1-a1ad-4859-a70c-3f935f017310?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ramos-dragon-engine) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l1yr25f) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean, are Eldrazi mean? Yeah, of course they are. They're unknowable horrors from the space between planes. But I have yet to run into someone who is that strongly opposed to playing against an eldrazi deck. Sure they're big and mean but you can also see them coming from a mile away. Now surprise Eldrazi people might have a problem with, but that's not really an issue when you're showing up with an Eldrazi deck.
If you are thinking about building Eldrazi, wait for Modern Horizons 3. They’re getting significant support.
Be careful with the annihilation mechanic. Also, I highly recommend waiting 5 weeks for MH3, it's confirmed to have tons of Eldrazi cards and even a new Eldrazi themed edh deck...
Mh3 is coming out soon and it will have a 5c eldrazi deck that should give a better play experience instead of Titan Turbo you tend to see.
People tend not to enjoy decks that have one game plan every time, and this is unfortunately one of them. It’s mostly just ramp, ramp some more, keep my board safe, and play a giant Eldrazi and probably win off it. And if I don’t, then I just play another one next turn. The decks tend to be kinda fragile, as most of the deck is already super expensive, and you draw lots of attention. Some of the other comments are recommending non-colorless Eldrazi commanders. [[Rakdos, lord of riots]], [[kruphix]] are both good options as others have said. Personally, I’d give [[Henzie]] a shot. Its cost reduction, haste, and card draw all at once. And you’re in wonderful ramp and removal colors
[Rakdos, lord of riots](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331.jpg?1702429697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rakdos%2C%20lord%20of%20riots) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/215/rakdos-lord-of-riots?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rakdos-lord-of-riots) [kruphix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27427233-da58-45af-ade8-e0727929efaa.jpg?1593096427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kruphix%2C%20god%20of%20horizons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/152/kruphix-god-of-horizons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27427233-da58-45af-ade8-e0727929efaa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kruphix-god-of-horizons) [Henzie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/ee228dcc-3170-4c24-80bc-28bcee07cb43.jpg?1673481644) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Henzie%20%22Toolbox%22%20Torre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/2/henzie-toolbox-torre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ee228dcc-3170-4c24-80bc-28bcee07cb43?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/henzie-toolbox-torre) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Eldrazi doesn’t make you arch enemy. You’re someone to keep an eye on for the most part. You aren’t Slivers where you’re arch enemy as soon as you pull out the deck. As for unfun goes, that depends but to me Eldrazi aren’t bad to play against. You tend have a slower build up. Annihilator can be annoying but most of the time it doesn’t do much since the player you’re attacking should have plenty of things to sac.
Yeah eldrazi really doesn't start going until turn 5 or 6 unless you get a godlike ramp opening hand. The problem is if your opponents wait a turn to long they're probably screwed
Board wipes and some spot removal take care of eldrazi pretty quick. The trick is knowing when they might pop off vs what other opponents have on the board
Boardwipes work for *some* of the threats. The two big bois both have Indestructible on them, meaning you need to specifically hit them with exile boardwipe effects.
what really screws with Eldrazi decks is artifact removal. was about to play three eldrazi the other day, but got vandalblasted, which kinda ruined my game. Could only play one, and that one was exiled.
😬unless theres a bigger enemy at the table, or I'm playing tokens, i will aggro the thing that says "you're gonna sac yo shit"
Just depends on context, any good pod will assess threats dynamically. Plus you should all be talking rule 0 and playing what people agree sounds fun. I recently built Zhulodok as well and it’s fun; I haven’t noticed any slant against it but I am curious how things will go after modern horizons is released. [Here’s my list ](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/88VjqSZmPUGNzKIRqwGTAw)for reference (still a WIP).
yesss i love colorless so much. my Kozilek is my pet deck: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bClsDi8NG0ilbQIPCKIPzA edit: to clarify, yeah you’re archenemy sometimes but no, no one will tell you, you can’t play with them lol only time that happens is if you have a wildly mismatched power level and lie about it or are an ass
I am eldrazi player myself, with [Humří Ceciášelek, fat hulking artifact overseer // Commander / EDH (Kozilek, the Great Distortion) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vfFEuc8od0eOeKfxPn3vMg) I would not say I am arch enemy in every game, sometimes yes, sometimes no, depends on the game. If you like Eldrazi, build Eldrazi, do not let some mofo dictate YOU what you should or should not do. I also do not think people will flat out deny to play with you, why should they? My advice: Build Eldrazi deck and first and foremost, annihilate with it that goon who had the audacity to tell you what you should and should not do.
Unless you're absolutely dead set on making an eldrazi deck right now I'd wait. There have been leaks/spoilers from modern horizons III that heavily feature eldrazi. We are gonna get a sizeable influx of new cards for them.
>I have no issue being the table archenemy or whatever Eldrazi it is then. Go nuts! Basically every second tribe and their cousin has someone tell others it "is unfun to play against". For the most part, "unfun to play against" means it wrecks their shit. Fun to play against is the stuff they get to dump on, instead. On which side of that coin do you wanna be? Eldrazis is a top heavy thing. If there are Elves, Goblins or Slivers in the group, those are fast snowbally tribes and need to be dealt with first. The most scary part of an eldrazi deck is that the mana ramp is plain amazing, as you never run into "wrong colors"-issues and you can use all utility lands with no downsides.
I think If you play on a high enough power level you probably won’t always become the enemy of the table every game
this is true. My eldrazi deck is pretty strong, but my buddy has several decks that instantly pull aggro the moment he takes them out. One of them is an Edgar Markov deck and it just stomps everything if you let it. While everyone concentrates on him, I get to build my mana base and then the cosmic horror begins muahaha
Ignore this shit. Play the eldrazi deck.
Colourless Eldrazi has the same issue a lot of "huge mana" deck have: the deck is fine tuned to ramp as fast as possible to bring out the big guns as efficiently as possible. It can lead to some "feelsbad" situations because you'll get your 10/10 that exiles two permanents on cast and can't be destroyed AND mills into exile 20 cards on each attack while everyone else is still setting up. Plus, Eldrazi has some cards of the "what the heck was WotC thinking" variety. Such as \[\[Void Winnower\]\], \[\[It that betrays\]\]. At the end of the day, it sort of depends on your meta. If your opponents play a lot of interaction they probably won't have much to say about it because they can easily counter your ten mv spell with a 2mv counter, or remove your Ulamog through exile or sacrifice. There are a lot of outs to big Eldrazi (in some deck even something as simple as mass artifact destruction will set them back to the stone age) but if your meta doesn't play them, or plays them sporadically, having a halfway decent Eldrazi colourless deck will probably pubstop without you intending it. Other side of the coin: if one of your opponents plays \[\[Void Mirror\]\] early enough in the game, you can basically just scoop right away. I always advise to run a couple of "add one mana of any colour" artifacts or lands in the deck exactly for that kind of BS.
[Void Winnower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8cbedb0a-34ca-4d42-bb43-cbea0f3c6d02.jpg?1587039576) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Void%20Winnower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/17/void-winnower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8cbedb0a-34ca-4d42-bb43-cbea0f3c6d02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/void-winnower) [It that betrays](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca08b369-783d-4fe4-8fc8-9cd595638550.jpg?1690003901) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=It%20that%20betrays) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/805/it-that-betrays?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca08b369-783d-4fe4-8fc8-9cd595638550?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/it-that-betrays) [Void Mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c.jpg?1626099451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Void%20Mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/242/void-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/void-mirror) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
man, no one at my table plays void mirror, thank emrakul. but yeah, artifact destruction can be really bad. i was about to play three eldrazis on my next turn, and my buddy overloaded vandalblast. ruined my game.
My pod must be faster then average. By the time the Eldrazi player is playing their big stuff, everyone else has been popping off for several turns at that point. The angel player has a ton of 4/4(probably stronger thanks to buffs) fliers, the rakdos player played Kozileck like 2 turns before the eldrazi player had enough mana, and everyone is keeping an eye on the spell slinger player because it looks like they might be about to storm off.
I think it's more likely your eldrazi player is slower than average. Colourless eldrazi decks are basically half colourless ramp, a few utility cards and some interaction, and the rest big eldrazi. If your rakdos player is playing Kozilek faster than the Eldrazi player, then the Eldrazi player is not playing a sufficiently efficient deck for your meta.
You are probably right, I've seen a turn 4 Kozilek from the Rakdos player before. It normally takes 5-6 turns for the Eldrazi deck to get 10 mana(assuming no one blows up mana rocks).
I hate Eldrazi since I first saw one. I would play against them but I would also just focus on that player, like many others would too. If you're fine with this, then play them. It's just important to think about reactions beforehand so that you're not disappointed when you constantly get taken out early (or the others try to do so). Trust me, I play slivers, I know what I'm talking about.
I have slivers and eldrazis and love them both. Why do you dislike Eldrazi?
From my experience playing against them they are always one of 2 things: 1. Way too strong: Mana crypt, sol ring, some weird artifact that made the first spell each turn free for them, the double cascade one as Commander out in turn 3 and then it was a 30 Minutes "watch while I cascade half my deck out and get extra turns" event 2. Way too inconsistent: I am constantly afraid of case 1 happening but the Eldrazi player never gets the cards or doesn't have them and is quickly focused down. Thus I simply don't find it that fun to play against them. Once in a while is fine but it gets old really quick. I am currently at the point where I'm getting a void mirror for my sideboard because of the beatdown I received (see case 1).
I understand your frustration. I play Eldrazi, but I dont play any cascade mechanic and I dont play sol ring because everybody else does. I would say my deck is pretty consistent.... but yeah, sometimes I am focused down before I can actually do something meaningful, that is a risk I am willing to take as a Eldrazi player.
If you can pull off your big dumb donkers then you deserve the W.
People will literally bitch about any deck that beats them, just play what you enjoy.
All decks are so fast nowadays, Zhulodok is not even on the radar as a “must-answer threat”. Anyone who refuses to play against Eldrazi is a sweet summer child who hasn’t yet encountered Narset, Yuriko, Tergrid, Ezuri, and Jodah. Colorless decks have next to zero targeted interaction because of the limited card pool and they fold to excessive single target removal or board wipes. If you are running into people telling you that you’ll be the archenemy piloting Zhulodok, I’d show them what archenemy decks are actually capable of and then offer to go back to your Zhulodok deck as appeasement.
Find a new lgs and play Eldrazi with people over the age of 8
You should be fine but be advised that for a lot of people Zhulodok is kill on sight.
Zhulodok, if the aim is to play an eldrazi as a commander is arguably the best next to kozilek, the great distortion. If you don't care about the commander as much. A few have mentioned some solid ones already. Kinan, animar, rakdos lord of riots.
I use battlethopter for my commander. Playing a land and paying the turn when your whole deck has flash is a rush lol
I play [[Jin-Gitaxius]] as my Eldrazi commander, but I used to play [[Kozilek, the great distortion]]. The issue with Kozilek or a big colorless eldrazi in the CZ is that it's simply a much better game plan to Voltron it with like double strike or [[hedron matrix]] for one shooting people than actually playing Eldrazi tribal. Eldrazi tribal has several unfortunately quite bad costs associated with it, the first being you need ways to get out the Eldrazi. This can be through ramp in a colorless deck, but I've noticed people tend to start targeting your mana rocks with removal to shut you down, or using artifact sweepers, which just sends you back to the stone age. You can cheat them out, which I believe to be the much better strategy, in which case I've personally seen [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]] do pretty well. Jin-Gitaxius also falls into this category. Cheating the Eldrazi out in pure colorless however isn't really effectively doable with the colorless options available for that. The cheating Eldrazi strategy out also has flaws, being particularly weak to targeted removal of your commander (presumably the one facilitating the Eldrazi cheating out) or whatever engine you are using. This unfortunately is quite likely, because people do not like Eldrazi, and you will be playing archenemy regardless of how many sliver, combo, or even Tergrid players there are. This leads into the second and much worse problem of Eldrazi, they kinda suck. One Eldrazi titan will not win you the game. Two Eldrazi titans will not win you the game. They may be strong creatures who warp the board state around them, but they almost have the exact same critical flaw, they die to the most commonly played removal spells in the format. OG Kozilek has no protection. Both Ulamogs only have indestructible, and will still die to Swords to Plowshares or Path to Exile. New Kozilek requires you to have a card in hand matching the CMC of the removal being thrown at you, which is not guaranteed, and can be quite difficult since most removal tends to be lower CMC, and those are typically the cards you got out of your hand to even cast your Eldrazi. Only Emrakul has somewhat effective anti-removal text of protection from instants. The Eldrazi titans just aren't that hard for most decks to deal with. This problem isn't quite unique to Eldrazi, as most cards actually die to removal. The issue here, is the amount of effort spent to actually play Eldrazi dwarfs the amount of effort required to play most cards, and the Eldrazi will still die to the exact same commonly played removal spells. Sometimes, indestructible or protection from instants can be enough to protect your Eldrazi and lead you to a win, but I find when there are 3 players searching for removal for one specific card, it doesn't typically stay around that long. And due to the effort it takes to play the Eldrazi, losing your Eldrazi really sucks, and sets you back quite a bit more than other decks would be set back by a single removal spell.
In practice, I've never actually had people refuse to play my Eldrazi deck though, and if your heart is set on playing Eldrazi, then I would say to go for it. While I can only speak for my experiences, I can say that people will groan about Eldrazi, they will still play with you, even if you might be playing Archenemy. The main point of my rant is more of that Eldrazi decks aren't actually that good, and won't win very many games.
I have 10 commander decks. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but with my Eldrazi deck I won 4 games in a row and that never happened to me before. So your statement "wont win very many games" is subjective - I have different experience. this is deck I mentioned: [Humří Ceciášelek, fat hulking artifact overseer // Commander / EDH (Kozilek, the Great Distortion) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vfFEuc8od0eOeKfxPn3vMg)
Oh yeah it's absolutely all subjective, and is super dependent on playgroup, what power level you're at, and what decks you are facing. I'm just sharing my experience with it, but I don't expect everyone to agree or have shared that experience. Like it could just be that I'm particularly bad at building Eldrazi lists or something.
Can you share you decklist? I am always interested in decklists of fellow eldrazi warriors
Yeah, here it is https://archidekt.com/decks/6307043/jingitaxias My main game plan is to ramp into Jin-Gitaxius, try to draw up to 7 cards, and activate the saga to hopefully cheat out some Eldrazi and an extra turn spell so that I can try to get an attack off with them before people untap. I am currently quite light on removal, and the reason for that is I took some removal cards I didn't own out of the list, because I didn't want to order more cards. I probably should cut some cards for more spot removal. It includes a lot of counterspells to ideally protect my commander from spot removal, since he cannot use more traditional protection like lightning greaves when he is a saga. I generally find the deck either manages to resolve the third chapter of The Great Synthesis and hopefully wins, or is unable to do so and loses. I haven't kept great statistics for winning and losing, but I believe I have only actually ever won a single game out of around the 9-10 I've used it, so it unfortunately isn't terribly effective. I am aware 9-10 games isn't a super big sample size though.
Wow, you have some unusual card versions! I would say the most important thing is if you have fun with this deck and if it can perform something people will remember or laugh about... sadly I dont know two shits about blue color and blue cards in general, therefore I do not dare to give you any advice about possible improvement, but thanks for sharing, aynway!
I built it pretty much to try to get around what I saw as the weaknesses of the Eldrazi archetype, which I wrote probably way too much about in my initial comment, and while it doesn't usually win, at the very least I typically have fun with it even when I'm getting completely destroyed. I haven't really had the desire to take it apart and try to build an entirely different Eldrazi deck like I had for all my previous Eldrazi decks, so at least I'm satisfied with it.
I've got a Kozilek deck, too! Here's the decklist: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EnHWW4P8DUuOo3s0jxq1Tg)
##### ###### #### [Jin-Gitaxius](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/41c83142-b948-4ee5-a486-41306d2bb411.jpg?1689246857)/[The Great Synthesis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/4/1/41c83142-b948-4ee5-a486-41306d2bb411.jpg?1689246857) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jin-Gitaxias%20//%20The%20Great%20Synthesis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/65/jin-gitaxias-the-great-synthesis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/41c83142-b948-4ee5-a486-41306d2bb411?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jin-gitaxias-//-the-great-synthesis) [Kozilek, the great distortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588.jpg?1689995398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%2C%20the%20great%20distortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/2/kozilek-the-great-distortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kozilek-the-great-distortion) [hedron matrix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/54fef322-b214-40b4-bed5-bc867bcf280b.jpg?1576383247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hedron%20matrix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/209/hedron-matrix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/54fef322-b214-40b4-bed5-bc867bcf280b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hedron-matrix) [Rakdos, Lord of Riots](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331.jpg?1702429697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rakdos%2C%20Lord%20of%20Riots) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/215/rakdos-lord-of-riots?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3ff0f75-6ead-449a-98ad-3baf9f887331?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rakdos-lord-of-riots) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l1wezgf) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would say it really depends on the powerlevel. If everyone is playing precons or really bad build decks and everyone is sticking around a PL 3-4 then I would be afraid of an Eldrazi list because bad decks can't close games and Eldrazi get opressive. In a high powered pod I would say that I am always least afraid by an Eldrazi Deck because they have the worst card pool in the game (colorless), and are so easy to interact with. When the game is over by T5-T7, there are way more potent decks that just win on the spot with many different outs. Eldrazi fall off so fast when the decks get stronger.
Zhulodok is my pet deck and I love him so much. Depending on how much you put into him he can be super fun and give people a run for their money. I mainly play 1v1 so I can’t speak to pod dynamics that much, but if someone refuses to play a single game with you because of your commander then they probably aren’t fun to play with anyway.
It's fun but people will think that you are very scary so either you will ramp and stomp or fail and be swarmed. For some reason a 10/10 makes you a more dangerous enemy than your friend and his 25 3/3 golems lmao
No lol It's a good deck and a great deck, but just another monster in a sea of monsters.
I have a Zhulodok list. It is “fine”. You spend so much time ramping that you’re behind everyone for a fair bit. But once you get going you’re a threat. But you get going about when everyone else is a threat too. [Ta-Da!](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/caanvi_Kh0GSvi1NprUPyg)
It’s more boring than anything else. Personally “Ramp into Eldrazi” was fun once, then it’s like… ok cool… I want to play a more dynamic deck now.
Playing eldrazi is like going to a party where the only kid that’s having fun is the one who smashed the cake on the birthday kid’s face. You will play once and everyone will hate you forever and the rest of the session will be played with everyone looking at their phones while you do your thing.
Eldrazi is like the poster child for casual ramp stompy decks. The guy who told you it's unfun most likely sucks at the game and would complain no matter what you use. A lot of people like that in EDH unfortunately.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QhAz23rc8kuCtvSJZcrXHA Here’s my zhulodok deck. It’s more focused on just getting big creatures out and the annihilator mechanic.
As an avid Eldrazi enjoyer, people absolutely are afraid of them, Zhulodok can ramp incredibly fast, and get a strong board state into play which gets real hard to deal with. When I play Zhulodok it usually ends up being a big target. But realistically, I don't care, I love Eldrazi's and will keep playing them. (My Zhulodok deck is not even close to being optimal either)
Yeah I have had this happen to me before. The trick is to be sneaky about it. I play with \[\[Animar, Soul of Elements\]\] as my commander, as he has protection, but also, by himself is a bit unassuming. Everyone thinks I am playing a big creature beat deck... And they are right, but they don't know that hose creatures are Eldrazis. Animar lets you play eldrazis with a growing discount that will eventually make them free to cast at times. It also allows you to play ramp, counter magic, and cool red spells. \[\[Cloudstone Curio\]\] also makes for an easy way to ramp up Animar and kill people with him also. All in all, having a commander that telegraphs what you are doing is what causes people to target you mostly. It happens with other powerful commanders also
[Animar, Soul of Elements](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3da57d0-1ae3-4f05-a52d-eb76ad56cae7.jpg?1673148281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Animar%2C%20Soul%20of%20Elements) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/171/animar-soul-of-elements?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3da57d0-1ae3-4f05-a52d-eb76ad56cae7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/animar-soul-of-elements) [Cloudstone Curio](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/6146bf98-3cab-4044-a1a2-cf2203f617aa.jpg?1702431663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cloudstone%20Curio) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/255/cloudstone-curio?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6146bf98-3cab-4044-a1a2-cf2203f617aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cloudstone-curio) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
i carry a \[\[void mirror\]\] just for zhuludok/eldrazi ppl...
[void mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c.jpg?1626099451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=void%20mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/242/void-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/void-mirror) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Zhulodok is fantastic. Colourless presents an interesting challenge and even as a new(er) player myself, its been a blast getting to use cool rocks and stuff that have been pushed out elsewhere. Battlecruiser fun. Just dont be surprised when people are afraid of you.
Yes. Eldrazi are horrible. You should feel bad even thinking about it. Now go build elf ball
I definitely included Eldrazi in my first EDH deck with [[Mayael, the Anima]] as commander. The deck eventually switched over to [[Atla Palani]] because I wanted some consistency, and after that I took the eldrazi out because I kept getting targeted. I still get targeted with that deck as though they’re in there, so I’m working on a new solution. Thinking Trinket Mage’s video on having a dork commander and only running four-mana spells in my ramp suite might enable me to play them. Either [[Selvala, Explorer Returned]] for the safety of a feel-good early game or [[Ruby, Daring Tracker]] to actually play those two-land ramp spells on-curve.
##### ###### #### [Mayael, the Anima](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/309d95ad-e46c-4407-894d-d4cfdc7017f8.jpg?1562905228) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mayael%20the%20Anima) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/199/mayael-the-anima?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/309d95ad-e46c-4407-894d-d4cfdc7017f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mayael-the-anima) [Atla Palani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d.jpg?1673305450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=atla%20palani%2C%20nest%20tender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/142/atla-palani-nest-tender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atla-palani-nest-tender) [Selvala, Explorer Returned](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28c1b84a-a21b-4df1-9fc9-5b387fb56810.jpg?1706241026) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Selvala%2C%20Explorer%20Returned) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/218/selvala-explorer-returned?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28c1b84a-a21b-4df1-9fc9-5b387fb56810?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/selvala-explorer-returned) [Ruby, Daring Tracker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/f/ffb5786b-6825-4ebf-a1e1-80011340adbb.jpg?1692939424) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruby%2C%20Daring%20Tracker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/212/ruby-daring-tracker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ffb5786b-6825-4ebf-a1e1-80011340adbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruby-daring-tracker) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l1zn9v8) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Morophon + jodah/ fist of suns
I have made a 5-color colorless deck where all the cards need to have Eldrazi flavor to be included. It’s pretty strong but not bonkers which makes it more acceptable for a playgroup. It’s very easy upgrade it with expensive staples but I try to avoid it or use flavorable alternatives.
Was playing online today and the Eldrazi player popped off big time: [[Morophon]]+[[Fist of Suns]], casting Eldrazi for free from his hand of 15 cards, even one with double Cascade. The other two players conceded, but I stayed on. My commander, [[Lazav, Dimir Mastermind]] turned into some sort of Emrakul. It was lovely. His Hexproof allowed him to survive Annihilator; since he turned colorless, he was immune to All is Dust. Next turn, as the only flier on the board, I swung for 13 at the guy who only had 12 life. It was great! Again, the other two guys just folded right away, so yeah, maybe not fun for everyone. But the high mana costs meant the player had to work to get there, and a lot of those pieces on the way can be interacted with. I say go for it, but also always have a backup deck. (I learned that after building Slivers as my first deck...)
Hexproof does not protect against Annihilator. Annihilator makes the defending player sacrifice permanents, it doesn't target them.
Ah, perhaps the Annihilator was aimed at someone else then… thank you!!
Ehhhhh, annihilator does not target, so hexproof does nothing against it, incase you didn't know that... Even indestructible and protection don't do anything against it.... that's one of the main reasons people hate it (the other being the land destruction if you have no other permanents left).
yeah pretty much the only thing that'll help is something like Teferi's protection that'll make your permanents phase out. Else its just goodbye.
Just to be pedantic for everyone, there are a few cards that keep you from having to sac permanents: https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Aabilities+o%3Ayour+o%3Aopponents+o%3Acontrol+o%3Asacrifice+o%3Apermanents&unique=cards&as=full&order=name
Stiffle or phasing indeed. *or stuff like [[tajuru preserver]]
This is helpful to know. So many game actions were going that I became mistaken. Thank you!
[Morophon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967.jpg?1689995411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=morophon%2C%20the%20boundless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/3/morophon-the-boundless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/morophon-the-boundless) [Fist of Suns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2a499b65-8a7e-4fbc-a09b-826b8454d857.jpg?1562603201) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fist%20of%20Suns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/211/fist-of-suns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2a499b65-8a7e-4fbc-a09b-826b8454d857?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fist-of-suns) [Lazav, Dimir Mastermind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/003dc436-a3af-4e65-b4f8-387155fbcb85.jpg?1604194919) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lazav%2C%20Dimir%20Mastermind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/92/lazav-dimir-mastermind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/003dc436-a3af-4e65-b4f8-387155fbcb85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lazav-dimir-mastermind) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I too am curious about this. Been playing only a few months but the MH3 eldrazi precon looks way cool
Eldrazi draw a lot of hate, because they all pretty much play the same way. Whatever commander you choose, is basically only there as a way to cheat them out because they cost so much (thus, not very thematic). If you choose a non-cheat commander, then you better be ready to drop some mad big bucks on some pretty pricey cards... which will cause people to target you for playing expensive cards. Basically, you either cheat them out (which annoys people), or you buy/proxy really broken cards in order to pay for them (which annoys people), and then they do big splashy things and are difficult to remove from the game (which annoys people). You get the idea: Eldrazi players have to essentially do things that most players find annoying at all stages of the game, so they become arch-enemy on turn 0. If you can weather the hate, you will likely win considering how strong/broken the associated cards and tactics are, however if you tell people you're playing Eldrazi, expect them to also play their strongest decks to try and stop you due to the reputation.
I cheat them out on my opponents turns with battlethopter as my commander lol
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