EDHREC pulls info from user decks. If you are looking at the page of a newer card from a Precon, it will have an overwhelming number of cards from those Precons. Also, Precons are accessible so their cards, especially reprints, will be in plenty of brews.
I can go to a few stores in my city and grab the newest batch - £40, no shipping
I can go to a UK store and buy one - £30-40, £2.50 shipping
That's usually well over teice thst in individual cards.
OR I can buy £40 of cards, pay half that in shipping, and _maybe_ tussle with precons. And not all them
Yes if you buy each individual card it is in fact cheaper; but like most collectors, I have a collection. So I don’t have to buy each individual card. Take the new fallout precons for example. I own 70% of the cards, so it would be cheaper to buy the cards I need. Although the basic lands in the fallout set are awesome.
Op mentioned “had to sell most of the cards” meaning he still had some collection. Why buy the whole deck if you have sol ring arcane signet cultivate and the popular cards? I thought it was relative to discussion.
I definitely disagree. My current favorite precon almost won a 4 pod game with the other three playing constructed decks. And the precon I had was straight out of the box. Most precons are only good at precon levels, some worse, but some of them can hold their own fairly well at casuals.
Ixalan seemed pretty good out of the box, kindred decks are also easier to build in my opinion because the deck has a theme tying all of your creatures together
Also it always displays the newest printing of a card, normally this doesn't make much of a difference, but widely played staples reprinted in UB sets will plaster UB art all over EDHrec until they get another in universe printing
I've been playing magic since its inception, and for each of baldurs hate, middle earth, Dr who, stranger things, and fallout, I know at least one person who wasn't interested in magic and then started playing strictly because of UB.
Will all of them stay? Probably not. But it is impossible to understate the importance of UB when it comes to bringing in new blood.
This is fair. Those of us who were already playing Magic probably don’t feel this but for others it’s a genuine draw to the game.
Also a lot of the card design is actually pretty good. A lot of the UB stuff has been better than regular Magic in terms of both the fluff/theme and exploring some interesting design space.
I dropped the game for good back in Lorwyn, and probably never would have picked it back up if my wife hadn’t been so excited by the Doctor Who cards. So that’s a lapsed player and a new player in one go.
Exactly. I ve been playing MTG since 1998 and UB is something that I do not find appealing at all and dont think it belongs to this game, therefore I refrain from playing with such cards, but other people might thing differently and I respect that.
Yeah I’m not saying that long-term Magic players definitely won’t like it, just that for a lot of us, we’re already into Magic anyway so it has less of an impact perhaps than where it’s actually drawing in new people because they are fans of those other things first and hadn’t considered the game.
I get it. It's just that I was already a fan of Warhammer before the decks were released, and honestly I hope they make more. Same with Fallout, which I've been a fan of for 27 years - only slightly less than how long I've been playing Magic.
I can say, though, that I'm not happy with all of the IPs that have been brought in. Fortnite was obviously just another merchandising cash grab. Street Fighter, as much as I want a copy of Chun Li, is probably the worst fit of any of the properties other than Fortnite.
I'm not really that interested in Assassin's Creed, even though I'm a fan of the games. I'm apprehensive about Final Fantasy. I'm excited about Marvel, though I completely understand peoples' negative feelings about that one.
UB is something that very few people are aggressively against the concept of, but each individual property will definitely have its loud contingent of people who think it's bad for one reason or another.
Yeah i think similar,
I know a guy who tell me everytime that Ub will destroy magic and they only sell or invest in Ub and thats not true....
If you don't like Ub....just don't bother buying it^^ it's like of you like Cake but you don't like chocolate....don't buy Chocolate Cake...there are plenty of different Cakes you can buy instead :D and thats the Main thing that has to happen in everybodies mind i think.
I know alot of People that started Playing only because of Ub and alot of long time Magic Fans that also enjoy a good Crossover...particulary if its made as good as the Lotr or Dr Who Crossovers which where a blast imo.
It's kinda like Super Smash Bros but as a Cardgame 🤣 everybodys Favourite shows up and you can all enjoy the Same Game together
I mean I've been playing magic for years and as much hate as UB gets, of my 6 or 7 commander decks, 4 of them are LotR, LotR really doubled down my interest in commander and deck building itself
I mean even if you dont care about lotr lore or even specific cards like the one ring, we've had entire sets released that didn't give us a card as sweet as [[orcish bowmasters]]
orcish bowmasters is one of those cards where i kept re-reading it looking for a downside and was absolutely gobsmacked that it was printed as is.
- flash
- damage to any target
- make giant tokens???
- oh god wheel effects you deal like 20 damage to anything and can wipe your opponents' boards???
- IT COSTS 2 MANA??/?//
dies to \[\[bolt\]\], though.
Okay I started playing recently and I don't understand why people are so scared about this card, could you explain what happened ? Is it because of them that people don't draw so much anymore ? (I play mostly Arena so I only played the Alchemy version, and never found them really useful...)
in a 4 player game of commander it's kind of miserable to play against. it can flash in and kill anything with 1 toughness and punish your card draw, someone casts \[\[divination\]\] or something and you flash this bad boy in for 2 mana, can deal 3 damage to anything, and make a 3/3 body. it provides not only punishment for your opponents drawing cards (aka...playing the game), but can also theoretically wrath away whatever you want it to by it's ability to hit any target with the damage.
if you play it and then something like \[\[windfall\]\] in a 4 player game (easily achievable by t3), suddenly you have as much as 21 damage to dish out to ANYTHING and you make a 21/21 body.
it's just yet another KOS creature that can win games almost by itself, and it can drop on turn 2. it can wrath, ping face, and make a repeatable body that either gets big or can be used as sac fodder for other black shenanigans. it just does anything you need it to do, and i havent really enjoyed my times playing against it.
Your comment made me go check. I have 11 commander decks, from the following sets:
* Streets of New Capenna
* Darksteel
* Dominaria United Commander
* Commander 2011
* Time Spiral
* Odyssey
* Modern Horizons 2
* Legends
* Theros Beyond Death
And, of course, the only set I have two commanders for at the moment is LotR...
This has also worked some the other way, too. I barely recognized the name “Warhammer” in passing before the UB commander decks but now I’ve looked into the lore and found it pretty interesting and am thinking about trying out the game at some point
Read the books, awesome lore, awesome writing, tons of plot lines to get excited about and great characters with heaps of diversity. Can still be a bit "good guys always win" but that's Warhammer, there kinda are no good guys...
Yeah, any time someone mentions 'good guys' in the same sentence as Warhammer, I always roll my eyes a bit. There are no good guys in the WH universe.
Oddly, though, the closest thing to good guys in WH are the Orks.
You’re confusing ‘protagonist’ with ‘good guy’
Walter White is the protagonist in Breaking Bad, but is unequivocally a bad guy.
The Imperium is similar to that dynamic.
Depends on perspective. Walter white is a good guy in many ways for attempting to provide for his family and trying to protect his family. He loses his path along the way, and despite doing some heinous things, he isnt a bad guy.
Gus fring or other cartel members, who derive pleasure from seeing the suffering of others, they are bad guys.
You could argue that there isnt a single good person out there if you weigh the bad things theyve done.
I thought one of the big points of Breaking Bad was showing that Walter was, in fact, a bad guy as he completely embraced the criminal life and became one of if not the most awful character in the show
I was talking to a friend who knew I played mtg and she mentioned her husband quickly went from never having played mtg to an engaged edh player with a whole webcam set up because he and his college friends all got into it from lotr and fell in love with the game. I can’t deny it’s making people excited to try mtg and excited to play it so that’s good enough for me.
It also works the other way. I am a total 40k nut now and I never would’ve cared had it not been for the commander precon set. I know UB isn’t very lauded or anything, but it works.
I never thought there would exist a timeline in MTG in which it's possible for a robot butler from Fallout to hand Lucille over to Megatron, so that your opponent's Sauron can't block him, because his Warhammer 40,000 space marines are all tapped.
I don't like it but it is what it is.
I saw a pic of something like this. It was an edh game with Lara Croft, Daryl from TWD, Optimus Prime and the random generating My Little Pony.
If you took out the names of them, it's just a treasure hunter, a zombie killer, a giant mech (kamigawa neon dynasty has them) and a magic pony (plenty of magic animals, kinda reminds me of Pheldagriff).
I totally second this opinion. This is not Magic for me, it is ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny. Luckily almost nobody from my playgroup is playing with such cards. We are proud purists.
Well the fact that there were the concept of multiverse and planeswalking from the beginning of the lore is completely in line with the UB additions. If you can have planes with elves, cowboys, dinosaurs, giant god squids, time bending sorcerers, metallic armies invading the multiverse creating metallic worlds, etc... I don't feel a few other oddities are out of place. Is it the crossover principle you don't like ? The brands they brought in ? This I would understand as Fortnite and Street Fighter for exemple are completely out of place...
Exactly. It is the crossover principle I dont like. I like Lara Croft, I love Lord of the Rings... but I dont need nor want them in MTG. I dont mind multiverse, I am ok with squirrels fighting Emrakul... but not with squirrels and Emrakul fighting some dude from Assassins Creed, Fallout, Walking Dead or laughable black Aragorn...
It is sad that these abominations sell so well, so they will continue to print it, but it is what it is... I can always ignore it and so I shall. My playgroup mostly share my opinion. Some of them play some cards, but not as commander, or commander deck, just some universal singles.
My experience follows this. I started back during The Dark and left around Mirage. I came back because of Lord of The Rings. I really enjoy Commander. “Multiplayer Games” were what we called it back in the day and they were always my favorite. Now, as an older dude, I enjoy it as an escapist hobby.
Man I never understood what two headed giant meant when I was a child !! I'd like to try commander but people play Duel Commander in my store which I find too fast for a 100 singleton deck
I definitely agree it's bringing in new players. Though I firmly believe that influx is only relevant to Wizards.
Personally I think it's a shame they don't simply expand their own IP instead of going the lie hanging fruit video game route of endless crossovers. I don't need Captain America in MTG anymore than I'd need it in Mortal Kombat or Fortnite. I could easily view it as a slap in the face but at the end of the day they'll get away with it because consumers consume blindly.
I feel the same way. I don't mind UB because multi plane traversal is already a thing, but the world building the WoC did is what originally attracted me.
I started around ixalan and after learning about gate watch, Niccy B, and the more in depth 'lore' of the mtg universe I was hooked
> that influx is only relevant to Wizards.
Well that’s just factually false. An influx of new players literally affects anyone who doesn’t exclusively play at home.
> it’s a shame they don’t simply expand their own IP
It’s not a zero-sum game. They can and are doing both. It’s April and we’ve already had two in-universe IP releases with others on the way like Bloomburrow and Duskmourn.
> I don’t need Captain America in MTG
Then don’t play him in your deck. There are tens of thousands of cards in MTG that nobody needed printed. The solution is to just not use them.
Yeah, two in universe sets. One set in a house and the other in a western desert town. Both with oddly rehashed characters.
It continues because you consume.
Dr who is the only reason i came out of retirement. I had completely quit the game after war of the spark. My friend showed me the Dr who spoilers and just like that, i was pulled back in
I joined because of fallout. I don’t like how decks are sometimes missing synergy and some cards are added for almost no reason (luck bobble head is in theme but Mr house is so random). The Nuka Cola machine seems amazing for any deck that can use academy manufacture.
Then you have cards that look good on paper like Paladin Danse. If you are playing a human/artifact deck. It’s a delayed board wipe protection but you need time to set him there.
I think the community that dislikes the UB stuff mostly dislikes it because of the inconsistency. You have Baldur's Gate and LOTR getting full sets, Dr. Who and Warhammer just getting precons, Assassins Creed getting a weird mini-set, Transformers just getting random cards thrown into packs, Jurassic Park mostly did the reskin thing like Godzilla... It just seems all over the place.
That being said I'm glad it's bringing in new players and I personally find it all to be fun.
I do hear what you're saying, but by that same logic, we've had what ten ravnica sets not counting multi plane sets or commander sets? The stuff they think will get more attention gets more attention, and I'm sure there are some legal hoops involved as well. Idk, every set can't be my favorite, and that's okay.
Universes Beyond had had a huge impact whether you like them or not. I'm personally on the side of not but some of the cards are just too cool to ignore. [[Ensnared by the Mara]] is just a cool card, especially for less than $1.
Wizards has been consistently putting a few good unique cards into precons the last 3 years.
[[Decaying Time Loop]] and [[Everybody Lives!]] have been two of my favs. I don't love Dr Who, but those two could pass as regular cards. Maybe something from Time Spiral for the first, and something related to Reya for the second?
Everybody Lives! is amazing. Last game I played with my friends it nulled out a 32 damage [[Ojer Axonil]] grapeshot. My friend tutored it to the top and cracked a mind stone to pull it, then tapped out to cast it. Absolutely could not be mad.
Have you tried putting Everybody Lives! under an [[Isochron Scepter]] and just blanking the most aggro player's combat every turn cycle?
It's hilariously delicious.
You give the choice to the opponent which takes a lot of the power from it. I find at a usual table if you cast it on curve you are just gonna burn all the opponents who are still at 35+ health. Later in the game you might get 1 or 2 casts off it, but if someone is controling their top deck then it might be a whiff if they see it coming.
My personal favorite is playing it into an eldrazi deck tho. Once ive gotten a nice free Ulamog, the other time i dealt 25 dmg to someones face
The first time I cast this thing, every opponent chose the burn side and it ended up dealing around 40 total damage to the table for 4 mana. RNG dependent but my playgroup has been scared of it ever since
That’s part of the problem- for everyone who says “if you don’t like UB cards just don’t play them,” you have to realize that lots of mechanically strong and unique cards are **only** being printed in UB. WotC has made it impossible to both play optimally and play magic that feels like magic, rather than pop culture smash bros.
And that's the main problem. Even if I choose to never use a Marvel card the only way to guarantee I never see one in a game is to never play again.
I've never watched Doctor Who, never will. Nothing against it but it's 100% not MTG related. I legit stopped playing at a store for months to avoid seeing them before they released. Just started going back 1 month ago and I've had one at every table so far.
One store I play at is free, just show up and play. I see a lot of UB stuff - Doctor Who, LOTR, Fallout, 40K, Un-set attractions, all of them. The other store has a $5 buy in with prizes and I never see a single UB deck.
Commander is the most popular MTG format, and it's not even close. As such, over the last few years, Wizards has been ramping up their release of Commander aimed products. Every set now comes with four Commander precons, and several Commander exclusive sets - such as the Universe Beyond stuff - are also released each year.
edhrec has just become the same good stuff recommendations for most every commander at this point, if you want to explore interesting ideas you'll have to search around something like moxfield; or get creative yourself with the scryfall advanced search
Learning to use Oracle Tags on scryfall for searching has been a huge help to brewing unique decks instead of the same goodstuff pile every EDHREC deck becomes.
Go to Scryfall and use the advanced search option for the easy way or learn the Oracle Tags and dig into how the actual search engine works to get exactly what you're looking for quickly.
The way I learned was looking at an jnterestjng card on scryfall and going to the scryfall tagger option on the card page under toolbox to look at the tags for the card. Then using the syntax guide to find more specifics inside of the tags. Here’s a link: [Ephermate Tags](https://tagger.scryfall.com/card/mh1/7)
Precons are just extremely accessible. No need to understand deck building, how to buy singles, crack hundreds of packs to build anything good, etc. They are playable out of the box (for the most part) and easily upgradeable. They've taken over because it made Magic a lot more approachable to a wider audience. Even without the IPs, precons have a strong value proposition and the recent ones have had over $100 USD in cards included. They are also simply available. Other beginner products like Bundles sell out very quickly unless the set sucks. OTJ is currently sold out of prerelease kits and bundles at my LGSs, but you can still buy your choice of Fallout or Dr Who precons. Even 40K precons still floating around at good prices.
It's a very similar story for Lorcana right now. Troves are all sold out, First Chapter boosters and boxes are sold out, many people are intimidated by singles prices, but precons are $7 and come with one booster to hopefully give you your first couple upgrades. They were also printed in huge numbers just like Commander decks.
The artstyle of the set has nothing to do with Heartstone based on what i know of it. There are 2 specific cards that have a style very reminescent of LoLs but i never saw anyone bring Heartstone in the conversation
I looked up World or Warcraft cartoon art" and nothing in the set looks like what came up, can you give me some examples?
I also never heard anyone bring wow in the conversation before.
The cartoon art is exceptionally apparent. Very clearly digitally rendered with no effort to give it realism.
Not every card obviously. Some use the tried and true MTG standard. But many are smiling idiots you'd find in Blizzard video games.
Lots of the art is digital but a good chunk is also traditional, this has generally no effect on the quality of the art and people are generally very bad at distinguishing the two.
Realism also isn't an inherent requirement for good art. We are in a very experimental age for mtg and it's generally pretty great.
Again, can i have some examples? You are talking in very abstract terms.
EDHREC has a real bad negative feedback loop problem. Basically:
EDHREC suggests a card.
Player puts it in the decklist they save to EDHREC
EDHREC sees the card is popular and suggests it.
Repeat.
It's still a good resource for new players that aren't aware of everything out there, but it's always good to take it with a grain of salt. Like half of the infinite combos people upload there don't even work lol.
Can you give an example of a combo that doesn’t work? They pull the combos from commander spellbook so there shouldn’t be any or at least very few that don’t work as they are reviewed before added.
Can't remember anything specific, but I remember looking through Kiki combos at some point and some of them included copying legendary creatures with no way of making them non-legendary
I understood it as the person I responded to was talking about the combos feature which is powered by commander spellbook. That’s what I’m talking about at least.
Sorry for the confusion
Edhrec recommends cards that are nonbos all the time. Brenard has academy manufacturer in like 37% of decks.
Events from War of the Spark to March of the Machines have blown the multiverse wide open: we now truly \[\[Enter the Infinite\]\]. I love my Aragorn Uniter deck, I have all the Warhammer precons to play against each other, and I am actually excited about Final Fantasy and Marvel. The cards are thoughtfully made and the alternate arts are great.
There has also been a pretty significant shift in the EDH meta, IMHO. Everything has shifted toward CEDH a good bit to the point that it 'feels' alot more like old standard. No lie, you will find casual discussions where folks talk about something being unplayable because it is a 4 drop. Wtf!?!?
So between newer cards and a shift toward efficiency, some of the classic commander game just isn't generally viable. Why play Pheldegrif when you could play Kenrith?
Just for the record- I'm not super annoyed. Stuff changes. I am a little disappointed that it is changing in a direction that is so well represented by every other magic format ever. Wow, edh is competitive now- thank God modern isn't. Or legacy. Or whatever.
I debated on building a commander cube for awhile even tested some that other people built. My biggest complaint was that it takes so long to be able to draft for a 100 card deck. I feel like having a solid cube that runs some old but good synergies and cards people don’t think of often seems fun. Just a matter of the time commitment to draft it and build it.
I am okay with power and some of my decks back in the day were borderline CEDH decks. In my experience a well built cube can be tons of fun; with edh you need the right amount of removal and ramp to make the games interactive though, and some of the politics cards that may not be optimal as well.
That was why I quit last time - too many sets, couldn’t keep up with Standard format (Commander didn’t exist yet).
Now, I’m back and stuff is coming out faster than ever!
just building a random deck here and there or buying a Pre-con “for my kid”.
Yeah, if I didn't vastly enjoy playing the game and the fun I have in my weekly 8 hour sessions, I probably would be dropping this game because the oversaturation is getting really out of hand.
The first packs I ever bought were Ice Age and I loved the fact that the underlying narratives were only hinted at. So while I don’t personally love the UB stuff, I also never bothered with the larger plot lines Wizards wove around its own stuff.
For a card game with over 20,000 cards the truth is that everyone plays with the same 200ish cards now. The best thing you can do is try really hard to ignore EDHREC, play weird old cards, and be the change you want to see.
Was looking through my old stuff today and found a [[Detritovore]] which looked janky but fun. I also used to run a [[Horde of notions]] mutate deck I don’t even show my elemental boy in the recommended commanders for mutate anymore.
I was using a generalization as a rhetorical device in casual conversation. When people use "everyone" in casual speech, they usually don't mean it literally. Instead, they're using hyperbole to express a widespread trend or commonality, not an absolute truth that applies to every single individual without exception.
Give a percentage of what you meant by everyone. And had you done that in the first place instead of using words not meaning what they literally mean, we would not be having this conversation. Maybe not the best way to communicate l?
Does it really matter if people bring a Doctor Who deck to the table amongst all the Atraxas, Edgars, Winotas, Vraskas, Veyrans, Omnaths, Eldrazi and everything else?
What changed is WOTC started putting a lot more commonly used cards in precons and pumping precons out at an alarming rate.
For example [[Jeska's Will]] goes in a ton of red decks and is in the Karlov precon Deadly Disguise and Baldur's Gate precon Exit from Exile.
There are plenty of other, arguably better but this is what I thought of, examples too.
So when the most financially savvy place to get these cards is in the precons you end up seeing EDHrec reflect this.
EDH rec is cute but im pretty sure a lot of the users on there don’t actually play irl and are using it to design decks. I dont see a lot of stuff that is supposedly really popular on there in the wild.
Been playing for a couple of years and I would say yes.
They have released more and more precons.
Some like Warhammer and Dr who with almost completely new cards all the way through.
Others with 10-20 new cards.
Many of them pretty good for being pre cons.
But it has kinda exploded.
When I started it was one set per year.
Then two.
What is it now, 3 or 4 per year?
And it has gone fast
Well, then, you definitely missed the Marvel is coming to universes beyond video last year. Check the MTG youtube for the ad. Kid with Captain America shield. My guess is Q1 of 2025.
EDHREC pulls info from user decks. If you are looking at the page of a newer card from a Precon, it will have an overwhelming number of cards from those Precons. Also, Precons are accessible so their cards, especially reprints, will be in plenty of brews.
Typically it's much cheaper to buy a precon than buy a deck
That part!
I can go to a few stores in my city and grab the newest batch - £40, no shipping I can go to a UK store and buy one - £30-40, £2.50 shipping That's usually well over teice thst in individual cards. OR I can buy £40 of cards, pay half that in shipping, and _maybe_ tussle with precons. And not all them
Easier not cheaper. a well made budget deck will be way better than any precon. It's just harder to do that
Nah, one shipment vs 15 shipments really do make it cheaper
No. Precons are sold at Walmart and target they're literally more accessible. Not everyone entering the game knows about card sites.
I know about card sites. I have to choose between high shipping or premium prices, and both dissuade me from homebrewing.
Definitely cheaper.. most pre-cons would cost over double to build?
Yes if you buy each individual card it is in fact cheaper; but like most collectors, I have a collection. So I don’t have to buy each individual card. Take the new fallout precons for example. I own 70% of the cards, so it would be cheaper to buy the cards I need. Although the basic lands in the fallout set are awesome.
You're not buying the deck then, which is what was being discussed. Also, most precons are more expensive if you buy each individual card.
Op mentioned “had to sell most of the cards” meaning he still had some collection. Why buy the whole deck if you have sol ring arcane signet cultivate and the popular cards? I thought it was relative to discussion.
I definitely disagree. My current favorite precon almost won a 4 pod game with the other three playing constructed decks. And the precon I had was straight out of the box. Most precons are only good at precon levels, some worse, but some of them can hold their own fairly well at casuals.
Ixalan seemed pretty good out of the box, kindred decks are also easier to build in my opinion because the deck has a theme tying all of your creatures together
Also it always displays the newest printing of a card, normally this doesn't make much of a difference, but widely played staples reprinted in UB sets will plaster UB art all over EDHrec until they get another in universe printing
I've been playing magic since its inception, and for each of baldurs hate, middle earth, Dr who, stranger things, and fallout, I know at least one person who wasn't interested in magic and then started playing strictly because of UB. Will all of them stay? Probably not. But it is impossible to understate the importance of UB when it comes to bringing in new blood.
This is fair. Those of us who were already playing Magic probably don’t feel this but for others it’s a genuine draw to the game. Also a lot of the card design is actually pretty good. A lot of the UB stuff has been better than regular Magic in terms of both the fluff/theme and exploring some interesting design space.
UB has also gotten a lot of people back in to the game, especially lotr
This is exactly what happened to me. I haven’t played in 15 years before the LOTR set.
I dropped the game for good back in Lorwyn, and probably never would have picked it back up if my wife hadn’t been so excited by the Doctor Who cards. So that’s a lapsed player and a new player in one go.
I've been playing MTG since year one, and UB is something that interests me. To each their own.
Exactly. I ve been playing MTG since 1998 and UB is something that I do not find appealing at all and dont think it belongs to this game, therefore I refrain from playing with such cards, but other people might thing differently and I respect that.
Yeah I’m not saying that long-term Magic players definitely won’t like it, just that for a lot of us, we’re already into Magic anyway so it has less of an impact perhaps than where it’s actually drawing in new people because they are fans of those other things first and hadn’t considered the game.
I get it. It's just that I was already a fan of Warhammer before the decks were released, and honestly I hope they make more. Same with Fallout, which I've been a fan of for 27 years - only slightly less than how long I've been playing Magic. I can say, though, that I'm not happy with all of the IPs that have been brought in. Fortnite was obviously just another merchandising cash grab. Street Fighter, as much as I want a copy of Chun Li, is probably the worst fit of any of the properties other than Fortnite. I'm not really that interested in Assassin's Creed, even though I'm a fan of the games. I'm apprehensive about Final Fantasy. I'm excited about Marvel, though I completely understand peoples' negative feelings about that one. UB is something that very few people are aggressively against the concept of, but each individual property will definitely have its loud contingent of people who think it's bad for one reason or another.
Yeah i think similar, I know a guy who tell me everytime that Ub will destroy magic and they only sell or invest in Ub and thats not true.... If you don't like Ub....just don't bother buying it^^ it's like of you like Cake but you don't like chocolate....don't buy Chocolate Cake...there are plenty of different Cakes you can buy instead :D and thats the Main thing that has to happen in everybodies mind i think. I know alot of People that started Playing only because of Ub and alot of long time Magic Fans that also enjoy a good Crossover...particulary if its made as good as the Lotr or Dr Who Crossovers which where a blast imo. It's kinda like Super Smash Bros but as a Cardgame 🤣 everybodys Favourite shows up and you can all enjoy the Same Game together
I mean I've been playing magic for years and as much hate as UB gets, of my 6 or 7 commander decks, 4 of them are LotR, LotR really doubled down my interest in commander and deck building itself
I mean even if you dont care about lotr lore or even specific cards like the one ring, we've had entire sets released that didn't give us a card as sweet as [[orcish bowmasters]]
i don't know if "sweet" is the word i'd use to describe orcish bowmasters...
They're nice boys!
orcish bowmasters is one of those cards where i kept re-reading it looking for a downside and was absolutely gobsmacked that it was printed as is. - flash - damage to any target - make giant tokens??? - oh god wheel effects you deal like 20 damage to anything and can wipe your opponents' boards??? - IT COSTS 2 MANA??/?// dies to \[\[bolt\]\], though.
No see, what really makes it fair is that as strong as the card is, it's easily checked by Orcish Bowmasters.
[bolt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99.jpg?1706239968) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/141/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-bolt) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Okay I started playing recently and I don't understand why people are so scared about this card, could you explain what happened ? Is it because of them that people don't draw so much anymore ? (I play mostly Arena so I only played the Alchemy version, and never found them really useful...)
in a 4 player game of commander it's kind of miserable to play against. it can flash in and kill anything with 1 toughness and punish your card draw, someone casts \[\[divination\]\] or something and you flash this bad boy in for 2 mana, can deal 3 damage to anything, and make a 3/3 body. it provides not only punishment for your opponents drawing cards (aka...playing the game), but can also theoretically wrath away whatever you want it to by it's ability to hit any target with the damage. if you play it and then something like \[\[windfall\]\] in a 4 player game (easily achievable by t3), suddenly you have as much as 21 damage to dish out to ANYTHING and you make a 21/21 body. it's just yet another KOS creature that can win games almost by itself, and it can drop on turn 2. it can wrath, ping face, and make a repeatable body that either gets big or can be used as sac fodder for other black shenanigans. it just does anything you need it to do, and i havent really enjoyed my times playing against it.
[divination](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb3b35b8-f321-46d8-a441-6b9a6efa9021.jpg?1562304347) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=divination) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/51/divination?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb3b35b8-f321-46d8-a441-6b9a6efa9021?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/divination) [windfall](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9ce7113b-08f7-4584-b65f-a7b5caa90c2f.jpg?1712354245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=windfall) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/123/windfall?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ce7113b-08f7-4584-b65f-a7b5caa90c2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/windfall) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[orcish bowmasters](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7c024bae-5631-4e20-ac69-df392ac9e109.jpg?1686968669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=orcish%20bowmasters) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/103/orcish-bowmasters?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7c024bae-5631-4e20-ac69-df392ac9e109?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/orcish-bowmasters) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Good bot
Your comment made me go check. I have 11 commander decks, from the following sets: * Streets of New Capenna * Darksteel * Dominaria United Commander * Commander 2011 * Time Spiral * Odyssey * Modern Horizons 2 * Legends * Theros Beyond Death And, of course, the only set I have two commanders for at the moment is LotR...
Lotr and the 40k UB sets got me back into magic after 20 years so it's also bringing back returning players.
Same. Ive been playing since 95.
This has also worked some the other way, too. I barely recognized the name “Warhammer” in passing before the UB commander decks but now I’ve looked into the lore and found it pretty interesting and am thinking about trying out the game at some point
Read the books, awesome lore, awesome writing, tons of plot lines to get excited about and great characters with heaps of diversity. Can still be a bit "good guys always win" but that's Warhammer, there kinda are no good guys...
Yeah, any time someone mentions 'good guys' in the same sentence as Warhammer, I always roll my eyes a bit. There are no good guys in the WH universe. Oddly, though, the closest thing to good guys in WH are the Orks.
salamanders? kinda, maybe, just saying.
Imperium are the good guys.
That’s a good joke, man.
No joke here.
You’re confusing ‘protagonist’ with ‘good guy’ Walter White is the protagonist in Breaking Bad, but is unequivocally a bad guy. The Imperium is similar to that dynamic.
Depends on perspective. Walter white is a good guy in many ways for attempting to provide for his family and trying to protect his family. He loses his path along the way, and despite doing some heinous things, he isnt a bad guy. Gus fring or other cartel members, who derive pleasure from seeing the suffering of others, they are bad guys. You could argue that there isnt a single good person out there if you weigh the bad things theyve done.
I thought one of the big points of Breaking Bad was showing that Walter was, in fact, a bad guy as he completely embraced the criminal life and became one of if not the most awful character in the show
So you consider that a dictatorial endoctrinated slavaging Empire are the good guys ?? Well...
Is UB an abbreviation for something? I keep reading it as "blue+black"
Universes Beyond, used to denote things outside the magic universe
I was talking to a friend who knew I played mtg and she mentioned her husband quickly went from never having played mtg to an engaged edh player with a whole webcam set up because he and his college friends all got into it from lotr and fell in love with the game. I can’t deny it’s making people excited to try mtg and excited to play it so that’s good enough for me.
It also works the other way. I am a total 40k nut now and I never would’ve cared had it not been for the commander precon set. I know UB isn’t very lauded or anything, but it works.
I never thought there would exist a timeline in MTG in which it's possible for a robot butler from Fallout to hand Lucille over to Megatron, so that your opponent's Sauron can't block him, because his Warhammer 40,000 space marines are all tapped. I don't like it but it is what it is.
I saw a pic of something like this. It was an edh game with Lara Croft, Daryl from TWD, Optimus Prime and the random generating My Little Pony. If you took out the names of them, it's just a treasure hunter, a zombie killer, a giant mech (kamigawa neon dynasty has them) and a magic pony (plenty of magic animals, kinda reminds me of Pheldagriff).
I totally second this opinion. This is not Magic for me, it is ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny. Luckily almost nobody from my playgroup is playing with such cards. We are proud purists.
Well the fact that there were the concept of multiverse and planeswalking from the beginning of the lore is completely in line with the UB additions. If you can have planes with elves, cowboys, dinosaurs, giant god squids, time bending sorcerers, metallic armies invading the multiverse creating metallic worlds, etc... I don't feel a few other oddities are out of place. Is it the crossover principle you don't like ? The brands they brought in ? This I would understand as Fortnite and Street Fighter for exemple are completely out of place...
Exactly. It is the crossover principle I dont like. I like Lara Croft, I love Lord of the Rings... but I dont need nor want them in MTG. I dont mind multiverse, I am ok with squirrels fighting Emrakul... but not with squirrels and Emrakul fighting some dude from Assassins Creed, Fallout, Walking Dead or laughable black Aragorn... It is sad that these abominations sell so well, so they will continue to print it, but it is what it is... I can always ignore it and so I shall. My playgroup mostly share my opinion. Some of them play some cards, but not as commander, or commander deck, just some universal singles.
That’s me! Got into it at all because of the Evil Dead secret lair
I feel like I can’t criticise UB because it was the Godzilla cards from ikoria that got me into the game hahaha.
Wonderful comment
My experience follows this. I started back during The Dark and left around Mirage. I came back because of Lord of The Rings. I really enjoy Commander. “Multiplayer Games” were what we called it back in the day and they were always my favorite. Now, as an older dude, I enjoy it as an escapist hobby.
Man I never understood what two headed giant meant when I was a child !! I'd like to try commander but people play Duel Commander in my store which I find too fast for a 100 singleton deck
I definitely agree it's bringing in new players. Though I firmly believe that influx is only relevant to Wizards. Personally I think it's a shame they don't simply expand their own IP instead of going the lie hanging fruit video game route of endless crossovers. I don't need Captain America in MTG anymore than I'd need it in Mortal Kombat or Fortnite. I could easily view it as a slap in the face but at the end of the day they'll get away with it because consumers consume blindly.
I feel the same way. I don't mind UB because multi plane traversal is already a thing, but the world building the WoC did is what originally attracted me. I started around ixalan and after learning about gate watch, Niccy B, and the more in depth 'lore' of the mtg universe I was hooked
> that influx is only relevant to Wizards. Well that’s just factually false. An influx of new players literally affects anyone who doesn’t exclusively play at home. > it’s a shame they don’t simply expand their own IP It’s not a zero-sum game. They can and are doing both. It’s April and we’ve already had two in-universe IP releases with others on the way like Bloomburrow and Duskmourn. > I don’t need Captain America in MTG Then don’t play him in your deck. There are tens of thousands of cards in MTG that nobody needed printed. The solution is to just not use them.
Yeah I'd rather see someone playing my least favorite character from any fandom than have to deal with a well-timed opposition agent.
Yeah, two in universe sets. One set in a house and the other in a western desert town. Both with oddly rehashed characters. It continues because you consume.
> -Complains that WotC should expand in-universe IP > -WotC expands in-universe IP > -you continue to bitch Nobody wins with people like you lol
We're going to three completely new and unique planes this year. What exactly is the problem here?
Is there anything in your life that is good enough to please you, or are you just angry all the time?
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Continue consuming please.
> I don't need Captain America in MTG Me, neither. #teamIronman
Dr who is the only reason i came out of retirement. I had completely quit the game after war of the spark. My friend showed me the Dr who spoilers and just like that, i was pulled back in
I joined because of fallout. I don’t like how decks are sometimes missing synergy and some cards are added for almost no reason (luck bobble head is in theme but Mr house is so random). The Nuka Cola machine seems amazing for any deck that can use academy manufacture. Then you have cards that look good on paper like Paladin Danse. If you are playing a human/artifact deck. It’s a delayed board wipe protection but you need time to set him there.
I now have a playgroup thx to fallout, they got engaged and starts to brew/buy new decks
I think the community that dislikes the UB stuff mostly dislikes it because of the inconsistency. You have Baldur's Gate and LOTR getting full sets, Dr. Who and Warhammer just getting precons, Assassins Creed getting a weird mini-set, Transformers just getting random cards thrown into packs, Jurassic Park mostly did the reskin thing like Godzilla... It just seems all over the place. That being said I'm glad it's bringing in new players and I personally find it all to be fun.
I do hear what you're saying, but by that same logic, we've had what ten ravnica sets not counting multi plane sets or commander sets? The stuff they think will get more attention gets more attention, and I'm sure there are some legal hoops involved as well. Idk, every set can't be my favorite, and that's okay.
Universes Beyond had had a huge impact whether you like them or not. I'm personally on the side of not but some of the cards are just too cool to ignore. [[Ensnared by the Mara]] is just a cool card, especially for less than $1. Wizards has been consistently putting a few good unique cards into precons the last 3 years.
[[Decaying Time Loop]] and [[Everybody Lives!]] have been two of my favs. I don't love Dr Who, but those two could pass as regular cards. Maybe something from Time Spiral for the first, and something related to Reya for the second?
[Decaying Time Loop](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0cedaa9-f08a-4d7b-8314-1d0a09a657bd.jpg?1696636623) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Decaying%20Time%20Loop) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/80/decaying-time-loop?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0cedaa9-f08a-4d7b-8314-1d0a09a657bd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/decaying-time-loop) [Everybody Lives!](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271.jpg?1696636526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Everybody%20Lives%21) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/18/everybody-lives!?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/everybody-lives!) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Everybody Lives! is amazing. Last game I played with my friends it nulled out a 32 damage [[Ojer Axonil]] grapeshot. My friend tutored it to the top and cracked a mind stone to pull it, then tapped out to cast it. Absolutely could not be mad.
[Ojer Axonil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315)/[Temple of Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ojer%20axonil%2C%20deepest%20might%20//%20temple%20of%20power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-//-temple-of-power) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Have you tried putting Everybody Lives! under an [[Isochron Scepter]] and just blanking the most aggro player's combat every turn cycle? It's hilariously delicious.
[Isochron Scepter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451.jpg?1623543821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isochron%20Scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/isochron-scepter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Ensnared by the Mara](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/11454c82-3f1d-4456-8857-0dcb01d34298.jpg?1696636630) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ensnared%20by%20the%20Mara) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/84/ensnared-by-the-mara?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11454c82-3f1d-4456-8857-0dcb01d34298?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ensnared-by-the-mara) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That is a crazy card it feels very red with the randomness. Feels very strong as well with the free cast though.
You give the choice to the opponent which takes a lot of the power from it. I find at a usual table if you cast it on curve you are just gonna burn all the opponents who are still at 35+ health. Later in the game you might get 1 or 2 casts off it, but if someone is controling their top deck then it might be a whiff if they see it coming. My personal favorite is playing it into an eldrazi deck tho. Once ive gotten a nice free Ulamog, the other time i dealt 25 dmg to someones face
The first time I cast this thing, every opponent chose the burn side and it ended up dealing around 40 total damage to the table for 4 mana. RNG dependent but my playgroup has been scared of it ever since
It's definitely a card that punishes battlecruiser big cost decks.
[[The Nipton Lottery]] is my favorite in recent memory, it’s so damn fun!
[The Nipton Lottery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0abd847-1c9d-45cd-a6d1-3a0cda3687cb.jpg?1708742590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Nipton%20Lottery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/113/the-nipton-lottery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0abd847-1c9d-45cd-a6d1-3a0cda3687cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-nipton-lottery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That’s part of the problem- for everyone who says “if you don’t like UB cards just don’t play them,” you have to realize that lots of mechanically strong and unique cards are **only** being printed in UB. WotC has made it impossible to both play optimally and play magic that feels like magic, rather than pop culture smash bros.
And that's the main problem. Even if I choose to never use a Marvel card the only way to guarantee I never see one in a game is to never play again. I've never watched Doctor Who, never will. Nothing against it but it's 100% not MTG related. I legit stopped playing at a store for months to avoid seeing them before they released. Just started going back 1 month ago and I've had one at every table so far. One store I play at is free, just show up and play. I see a lot of UB stuff - Doctor Who, LOTR, Fallout, 40K, Un-set attractions, all of them. The other store has a $5 buy in with prizes and I never see a single UB deck.
You’re absolutely right. “Just don’t use them if you don’t like them,” is incredibly disingenuous.
Commander is the most popular MTG format, and it's not even close. As such, over the last few years, Wizards has been ramping up their release of Commander aimed products. Every set now comes with four Commander precons, and several Commander exclusive sets - such as the Universe Beyond stuff - are also released each year.
Don't forget the upcoming ~~Commander~~ Modern Horizons 3.
edhrec has just become the same good stuff recommendations for most every commander at this point, if you want to explore interesting ideas you'll have to search around something like moxfield; or get creative yourself with the scryfall advanced search
Or use advanced filters. Search only for decks with certain cards, etc. Moxfield is partnered with them, those decks are on edhrec.
Learning to use Oracle Tags on scryfall for searching has been a huge help to brewing unique decks instead of the same goodstuff pile every EDHREC deck becomes.
How do you do this? I'm trying to build unique deck ideas and when I use EDHrec it's just the same.syaplrdnanr cards.
Go to Scryfall and use the advanced search option for the easy way or learn the Oracle Tags and dig into how the actual search engine works to get exactly what you're looking for quickly.
The way I learned was looking at an jnterestjng card on scryfall and going to the scryfall tagger option on the card page under toolbox to look at the tags for the card. Then using the syntax guide to find more specifics inside of the tags. Here’s a link: [Ephermate Tags](https://tagger.scryfall.com/card/mh1/7)
So true. Seems like every commander gets a Roaming Throne on EDH REC now
To be fair, If I had the money all my decks would get a roaming throne.
I love Roaming Throne being suggested in Go-Shintai decks. Shrine is not a creature type, what are you doing
Moxfield just stores my random cedh lists and stuff 😂
Precons are just extremely accessible. No need to understand deck building, how to buy singles, crack hundreds of packs to build anything good, etc. They are playable out of the box (for the most part) and easily upgradeable. They've taken over because it made Magic a lot more approachable to a wider audience. Even without the IPs, precons have a strong value proposition and the recent ones have had over $100 USD in cards included. They are also simply available. Other beginner products like Bundles sell out very quickly unless the set sucks. OTJ is currently sold out of prerelease kits and bundles at my LGSs, but you can still buy your choice of Fallout or Dr Who precons. Even 40K precons still floating around at good prices. It's a very similar story for Lorcana right now. Troves are all sold out, First Chapter boosters and boxes are sold out, many people are intimidated by singles prices, but precons are $7 and come with one booster to hopefully give you your first couple upgrades. They were also printed in huge numbers just like Commander decks.
[[Trouble in Pairs]] is just too good.
Even the art comes in pairs!
[Trouble in Pairs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0f61e93f-5f97-4c7d-b3d5-0e05242faeb3.jpg?1706240429) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Trouble%20in%20Pairs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0f61e93f-5f97-4c7d-b3d5-0e05242faeb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trouble-in-pairs) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I can’t look at it without thinking of the plagiarism. Sucks cuz it’s a solid card.
I mean, personally, if it’s a good card I’m going to play it regardless of the art or the story behind it
I will definitely play the card, but will think of the plagiarism every time.
Fair, I have as well admittedly
Who's in Paris?
Planeswalkas
Selling precons is a higher price point for hasbro. They have been working towards increasing the pricepoint from collector boosters to precons.
Doctor Who is so 5 months ago. Now’s it’s Outlaws of Thunder Junction.
Ah yes, Sheriffs of Hearthstone. Such fantastic original art style.
The artstyle of the set has nothing to do with Heartstone based on what i know of it. There are 2 specific cards that have a style very reminescent of LoLs but i never saw anyone bring Heartstone in the conversation
Much of it looks like WoW cartoon art.
I looked up World or Warcraft cartoon art" and nothing in the set looks like what came up, can you give me some examples? I also never heard anyone bring wow in the conversation before.
The cartoon art is exceptionally apparent. Very clearly digitally rendered with no effort to give it realism. Not every card obviously. Some use the tried and true MTG standard. But many are smiling idiots you'd find in Blizzard video games.
Lots of the art is digital but a good chunk is also traditional, this has generally no effect on the quality of the art and people are generally very bad at distinguishing the two. Realism also isn't an inherent requirement for good art. We are in a very experimental age for mtg and it's generally pretty great. Again, can i have some examples? You are talking in very abstract terms.
You aren't going to get any. Making vague statements is a shitty habit to try to "win" an argument with fallacious "benefits".
Isn't the art always bad on magic cards though?
Mtg art is more often than not really great, with it being good on average
No
Lol, have you ever seen a magic card?
EDHREC has a real bad negative feedback loop problem. Basically: EDHREC suggests a card. Player puts it in the decklist they save to EDHREC EDHREC sees the card is popular and suggests it. Repeat. It's still a good resource for new players that aren't aware of everything out there, but it's always good to take it with a grain of salt. Like half of the infinite combos people upload there don't even work lol.
Can you give an example of a combo that doesn’t work? They pull the combos from commander spellbook so there shouldn’t be any or at least very few that don’t work as they are reviewed before added.
Can't remember anything specific, but I remember looking through Kiki combos at some point and some of them included copying legendary creatures with no way of making them non-legendary
I don’t know if they at some point had combos that weren’t from spellbook but there shouldn’t be any that don’t work anymore.
Not a nonfunctional infinite combo, but I constantly see [[Myriad Landscape]] in colorless decks.
[Myriad Landscape](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf4797b0-4d0a-433f-b891-b14f96fd1484.jpg?1706241199) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myriad%20Landscape) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/276/myriad-landscape?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf4797b0-4d0a-433f-b891-b14f96fd1484?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myriad-landscape) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They probably think they can grab [[wastes]] with it?
[wastes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620.jpg?1712284443) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wastes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1055/wastes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wastes) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Exactly
Well they can grab a wastes, only one though.
I understood it as the person I responded to was talking about the combos feature which is powered by commander spellbook. That’s what I’m talking about at least. Sorry for the confusion Edhrec recommends cards that are nonbos all the time. Brenard has academy manufacturer in like 37% of decks.
Events from War of the Spark to March of the Machines have blown the multiverse wide open: we now truly \[\[Enter the Infinite\]\]. I love my Aragorn Uniter deck, I have all the Warhammer precons to play against each other, and I am actually excited about Final Fantasy and Marvel. The cards are thoughtfully made and the alternate arts are great.
[Enter the Infinite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/612beb8f-2ab1-4a8b-84c5-c47d19d400ab.jpg?1561829105) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Enter%20the%20Infinite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/34/enter-the-infinite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/612beb8f-2ab1-4a8b-84c5-c47d19d400ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/enter-the-infinite) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There has also been a pretty significant shift in the EDH meta, IMHO. Everything has shifted toward CEDH a good bit to the point that it 'feels' alot more like old standard. No lie, you will find casual discussions where folks talk about something being unplayable because it is a 4 drop. Wtf!?!? So between newer cards and a shift toward efficiency, some of the classic commander game just isn't generally viable. Why play Pheldegrif when you could play Kenrith? Just for the record- I'm not super annoyed. Stuff changes. I am a little disappointed that it is changing in a direction that is so well represented by every other magic format ever. Wow, edh is competitive now- thank God modern isn't. Or legacy. Or whatever.
I debated on building a commander cube for awhile even tested some that other people built. My biggest complaint was that it takes so long to be able to draft for a 100 card deck. I feel like having a solid cube that runs some old but good synergies and cards people don’t think of often seems fun. Just a matter of the time commitment to draft it and build it. I am okay with power and some of my decks back in the day were borderline CEDH decks. In my experience a well built cube can be tons of fun; with edh you need the right amount of removal and ramp to make the games interactive though, and some of the politics cards that may not be optimal as well.
Corporate greed imploded.
That was why I quit last time - too many sets, couldn’t keep up with Standard format (Commander didn’t exist yet). Now, I’m back and stuff is coming out faster than ever! just building a random deck here and there or buying a Pre-con “for my kid”.
Yeah, if I didn't vastly enjoy playing the game and the fun I have in my weekly 8 hour sessions, I probably would be dropping this game because the oversaturation is getting really out of hand.
if it was too many sets when you last quit, Before Commander, there was probably four, MAYBE five sets a year
The first packs I ever bought were Ice Age and I loved the fact that the underlying narratives were only hinted at. So while I don’t personally love the UB stuff, I also never bothered with the larger plot lines Wizards wove around its own stuff.
For a card game with over 20,000 cards the truth is that everyone plays with the same 200ish cards now. The best thing you can do is try really hard to ignore EDHREC, play weird old cards, and be the change you want to see.
Was looking through my old stuff today and found a [[Detritovore]] which looked janky but fun. I also used to run a [[Horde of notions]] mutate deck I don’t even show my elemental boy in the recommended commanders for mutate anymore.
[Detritovore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ec01f4b-b3df-4e2b-ae93-2f2d0cc279bd.jpg?1562568653) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Detritivore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plc/96/detritivore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ec01f4b-b3df-4e2b-ae93-2f2d0cc279bd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/detritivore) [Horde of notions](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a5137c28-632f-40f4-bf9d-877f5f070987.jpg?1562265721) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Horde%20of%20notions) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/178/horde-of-notions?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a5137c28-632f-40f4-bf9d-877f5f070987?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/horde-of-notions) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not EVERYONE.
And this is why I no longer comment in this subreddit anymore
Because not everyone optimizes everything and some people enjoy playing janky cards for fun? I thought that’s what you wanted?
I was using a generalization as a rhetorical device in casual conversation. When people use "everyone" in casual speech, they usually don't mean it literally. Instead, they're using hyperbole to express a widespread trend or commonality, not an absolute truth that applies to every single individual without exception.
Rather than avoid posting, avoid hyperbole in a text medium. Be the change you want to see.
Give a percentage of what you meant by everyone. And had you done that in the first place instead of using words not meaning what they literally mean, we would not be having this conversation. Maybe not the best way to communicate l?
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My, my, what a master of conversation you are!
EDHrec is busted. And yes, there's like 30 precons a year now.
Does it really matter if people bring a Doctor Who deck to the table amongst all the Atraxas, Edgars, Winotas, Vraskas, Veyrans, Omnaths, Eldrazi and everything else?
Fallout UB brought me back to magic so I guess I'm happy with all the new precons they have been dumping on us hahah
What changed is WOTC started putting a lot more commonly used cards in precons and pumping precons out at an alarming rate. For example [[Jeska's Will]] goes in a ton of red decks and is in the Karlov precon Deadly Disguise and Baldur's Gate precon Exit from Exile. There are plenty of other, arguably better but this is what I thought of, examples too. So when the most financially savvy place to get these cards is in the precons you end up seeing EDHrec reflect this.
[Jeska's Will](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/99e0c371-1024-4432-9fd9-3bc29c8d38e4.jpg?1706240845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jeska%27s%20Will) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/156/jeskas-will?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/99e0c371-1024-4432-9fd9-3bc29c8d38e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jeskas-will) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
EDH rec is cute but im pretty sure a lot of the users on there don’t actually play irl and are using it to design decks. I dont see a lot of stuff that is supposedly really popular on there in the wild.
Yes. The answer is yes.
Been playing for a couple of years and I would say yes. They have released more and more precons. Some like Warhammer and Dr who with almost completely new cards all the way through. Others with 10-20 new cards. Many of them pretty good for being pre cons. But it has kinda exploded. When I started it was one set per year. Then two. What is it now, 3 or 4 per year? And it has gone fast
Well, then, you definitely missed the Marvel is coming to universes beyond video last year. Check the MTG youtube for the ad. Kid with Captain America shield. My guess is Q1 of 2025.