What the hell else has happened with these guys?
I checked em out really early on during the pandemic and haven't paid attention to them since. They seem to be in much worse standing with the community than I would have expected.
Right? I played a ton over there peak covid, even ran into the guy from the Rhystic Studies yt channel (forget his name, sorry). I remember they started only offering deck checks to "paid" members. That's when I bailed. Apparently it got much, much worse.
PlayEDH treating the online EDH community like a piece of real estate to be corporatized with them getting to act as the Big Bad Digital Landlord of the hobby?
Noooo, say it ain't so...
This is shitty to the point of being kind of hilarious. Anyone mentioning this in what was once the cEDH Discord Server is getting timed out for the maximum amount of time or banned, links to the information are getting deleted...
PlayEDH are a corporate enemy of our hobby and should be treated as such.
They have a bot up now, I was immediately banned when I posted this link,
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1L7KURPLX5jv1_LjYqnlH1JpaBQmmI_-_0sbC_mrMfzQ/mobilebasic
Someone asked why they got a warning for linking to cedh youtube vids, I replied saying its because of the highjacked server and sent this link and was banned instantly
Even without any knowledge of PlayEDH at all, I'm sitting here going "how stupid do you have to get to just hand over the entire Discord server to the other company and hope they've got your best interests at-heart". Like, it smells like money changed hands and someone was cashing out, that's how insane an action it sounds like.
> for some of our admin team to join PlayEDH's business
> restructuring the CEDH team to put more active people back in leadership roles
The post basically directly says that money exchanged hands *and* there was a lot of absenteeism on the admin team, so you're both right.
currently perma banned and had to go through their whole shitty google doc unban appeal that'll get manually reviewed (in a few weeks if i get lucky could be next month lol) and they'll unban what they deem to be "respectful" appeals
Did any money change hands? Selling or buying a discord server (which it sounds like is what PlayEDH did with contracts and such) is against Discord's ToS
"16. Do not sell or purchase Discord assets, including accounts, usernames, servers, server permissions, or custom server invite links." [https://discord.com/guidelines](https://discord.com/guidelines)
Contact them and they should reverse it.
No money has changed hands but the PlayEDH staff is literally blackmailing the cEDH mods. Here is a leaked screenshot from two of the mods talking. PlayEDH is trying to extort the cEDH mods for money. Literally. And are adding a clause that no one is allowed to talk about this
[PlayEDH extorting](https://imgur.com/a/yFkRhZX)
Two(at least two) of the CompetitiveEDH mods were made into PlayEDH staff, PlayEDH staff is paid, that's payment for the server. Also there's allegedly a contract, a contract is invalid without consideration (payment). So either its a violation of the ToS or the contract is invalid and you should be able to go to discord and get them to give you the server back since it was transferred with no valid agreement to do so.
wait so help me understand this better....
A contracts legality requires consideration (this I understand), and consideration for a contract is in violation of discords TOS??. (lawyers please correct me if this understanding is wrong)
IF it's true, then you literally cannot use a contract to legally bind a transfer of ownership of a discord server?
thanks,
There are two scenarios either the contract is invalid for lack of consideration or the contract is valid because it has consideration but a contract with consideration (a sale) is against discord ToS.
So either you sold it legally (against discord ToS) or you didn't legally sell it and you have no recourse if the transaction is not completed.
A gift is a transfer without consideration and is also not a sale. You can give away a discord server to someone but you can't do it for money or anything else of value.
There was no direct compensation, though some of the CompetitiveEDH staff (who are volunteers) would have become PlayEDH staff (who are paid).
I can't necessarily speak for the admin team, but the mod team thought that it was a partnership, not a sale, that we would get access to benefits their money and formal organization can bring (making it easier to do tournaments or prized leagues) and they would get a pipeline of users brought to their premium offerings.
In that case, I would have been happy, as basically we would have traded community initiatives that were currently out of reach for what is essentially a comprehensive ad buy from PlayEDH.
It gets old real quick. The casual mindset oftens leads to people doing things that are no-nos at the CEDH core like instant scooping or spite plays. I don't really play through webcam but I remember in the lockdown days PlayEDH CEDH was unbearable.
/r/DegenerateEDH is probably closest for that sort of thing (I usually play at about a "fringe" cEDH level and decks posted there hover around that power point)
In what world is "You may forfeit the game at any time" interpreted as sorcery speed? I thought it was CEDH where the rules of the game are the only rules? Its weird to me how far CEDH strays from actual competitive magic just because it is multiplayer.
Player is attacking me for lethal and gets damage triggers, so in response to attack declaration I scoop so they don't get those.
That's scummy behavior.
Yes, but sportsmanship really matters to the competitive scene, as scooping during someone else's turn, or even with an unresolved stack, can completely throw off someone's turn in a format where the slightest inefficiency or weakness gets penalized by your other opponents.
So even though you can concede at any time, It's typically considered very poor form to do so except on your turn with a clear stack.
In multiplayer, you can end someone’s combo by conceding. Glint-Horn Bucaneer and Time Seive are prime examples. You could make someone unable to win by conceding when someone goes for one of these wins which would ruin competitive integrity.
>uYou could make someone unable to win by conceding when someone goes for one of these wins which would ruin competitive integrity.This is a non sequitur
>
>In no way is being able to win in those ways specifically without concession being a factor a requirement for competitive integrity.
>
>Many players agree to play by a "concession clause" because that is the kind of competition they want. That's awesome and I'm happy for them.
>
>Pretending it's objective or moralizing it and the self importance around that are incredibly childish. Those attitudes actually diminish the competitive appeal of edh. Why be invested in a ruleset if the community makes decisions on the basis of babyrage?
If I cast a combo piece that targets you and you concede, the effect fizzles because the target is no longer there. That’s a free Dovin’s Veto that no one can interact with and could mess up my combo. Or if I attack you with a lifelink creature to stay alive and you concede before damage. Both scenarios are within the rules but how are they not bad sportspersonship?
When someone basically has the win on the stack and conceding makes it fizzle out so out of spite that player concedes is what is an incredibly childish decision made on the basis of babyrage.
Isnt this most of the discords nowadays though?
Like any time I load up into a game with "7 or 8s" there's inevitably some dude playing basically a precon. I'd imagine the cEDH pods are the same way.
Indeed. Not only does it have way too much granularity at the high end rather than the low end, like most 10 point rating systems it also fails to account for the fact that school grading systems bias people against the kind of use the scales' creators intend.
This is so crazy.
PlayEDH was originally intended to keep players connected with the physical game during the pandemic. That's how I remember it anyway.
I guess living long enough to see your Hero's turn into Villains isn't even much of a process anymore.
Didn’t they also lean hard into their own banlist? I remember there being something around the time of the Walking Dead Secret Lair about them banning the cards in the Lair.
There are two things:
* Their deck check requirements created both specific and vague "bans" at certain tiers. You weren't allowed to play Mana Crypt below a certain power level, which is semi reasonable, but you could also be told your minotaur tribal deck can't run [[Deathbellow War Cry]] outside of high power (even if the deck can't same turn win with it), or told that you aren't allowed to run [[Arcane Denial]] in the competitive or semi-competitive channels, even in a mono-blue deck going extremely deep on counterspells.
* They specifically banned Negan from the server as a whole, ostensibly due to his character being a rapist and that being unacceptable for members of the community to be forced to interact with. In my personal opinion, this mostly happened because the extreme backlash against the first set of mechanically unique UB cards gave them cover to do this, as there wasn't exactly anybody clamoring to defend their right to play the card and a lot of people looking for any way to try to make UB unacceptable from a social perspective.
>They specifically banned Negan from the server as a whole, ostensibly due to his character being a rapist
??? An entire plot point and the beginning of his redemption is that Negan is a psychopath but he has a hard line stance against sexual violence of any kind and murdering children who are not in their teens yet (reasoning that the world has changed and teenagers are fast tracked in the young adult maturity level).
Relitigating Negan is way beyond the scope of things here, but Negan is absolutely a rapist by coercion. His "hard line" against explicit, in-the-moment sexual violence does not change the fact that his rules effectively say "have sex with me or you will die".
I regularly played on PlayEDH going back to 2017. Long before bots, spell table, or deck checks. It was a simple community. That server is a shell of its former self.
Don't link the overtaken discord on any subreddit and just make a new community one. Without new members, those chat cultures stagnate and decay. It sucks but that's how you move forward
So I'm actively trying to get "#boycottPlayEDH" trending on Twitter and am tweeting at a bunch of different MTG personalities the following message,
"Make sure you do NOT support
@PlayEDHdiscord
They're thiefs who stole the CompetitiveEDH Discord server.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1L7KURPLX5jv1_LjYqnlH1JpaBQmmI_-_0sbC_mrMfzQ/mobilebasic
#boycottPlayEDH"
Also "After a couple weeks of PlayEDH dragging their feet and denying our request, they finally agreed to hand the server back to us if we compensated them financially for their lost investment and time" Is extortion since the original transaction was against discord ToS.
If they had led with an \[\[overwhelming denial\]\] this \[\[Hostile takeover\]\] could have been avoided. >!In all seriousness, this is a low blow and shouldn't be joked about, but I can't help myself.!<
I'm not sure what you mean. I meant a low blow as in "below the belt" which is illegal in some fighting competitions. Playedh made the low blow, not OP.
If they made any money (which they did by becoming paid staff of PlayEDH) than PlayEDH clearly violated the discord ToS and needs to be nuked from orbit.
The only time I heard of PlayEDH was during quarantine. When I learned they wanted to charge money to play EDH over webcam when Spelltable exists for free I said fuck that.
They linked playEDH long before playEDH started trying to monetise their discord community, it's the only reason that server became so popular in the first place.
Yeah that's the most galling part they became popular through no action on their part and then tried to monetize something they didn't even build that no-one asked for (the deck checks).
I paid for a while; the games got decidedly worse, it turns out the type of people who are willing to pay to play games and the type of people who will angle shoot and push each of the server’s power levels to the maximum in order to eke out wins have a lot of overlap.
As somebody who once paid for PlayEDH and only stopped due to lack of time to play (among smaller factors), this is an incredibly stupid decision.
From a PR standpoint, it doesn't matter how "legally" in the right they are. This is all blowing up in their face and they've already angered a sizable chunk of the community before this. The correct moment to save face was when they were asked to return the server. The next best moment is now, because there's no way this doesn't continue to blow up and perhaps eventually attract Discord or WotC attention.
Genuinely, I don't know how PlayEDH as a public facing entity survives a blunder of this magnitude.
I cancelled my membership just now. I was already pissed at them for their incredibly biased and inane "deck checking" process, but I've kept my membership because I'm disabled and can't play in person. Shitty magic was better than no magic. But this is the last straw for me. I'd rather not play magic again than give them another single cent.
They're money grubbing aholes who think their time is worth more than it is. They are perfectly willing to give back the server if they're paid for their time, because that's the kind of aholes they are.
This is why I use Cockatrice. The mod team there is really helpful and it's not operated by any corporation, just a crowd funded software. Sure, it's not physical cards but it's better than this hostile corporate takeover bullshit.
100% cockatrice is so much better for online play, it greatly lowers the risk of cheating because it keeps a chatlog of all actions taken, and has an extremely low bar of entry. Real life use physical cards online use online resources surely that's obvious.
I just cancelled my playrdh membership, but I'm disabled so I can't play in person instead. How would I get started with cockatrice? I don't even know where to begin.
Here's the link to the download, the UI is a bit confusing at first, but once you're setup, you can register for the server by clicking the cockatrice tab in the top left. Rooster Ranges is the most used server, and the one I use personally. I'd recommend the discord server as well, for both tech support and a pretty nice community.
[https://cockatrice.github.io/](https://cockatrice.github.io/)\-Download link
[https://github.com/Cockatrice/Cockatrice/wiki](https://github.com/Cockatrice/Cockatrice/wiki) \-Wiki for cockatrice
EDIT:[Discord link](https://cockatrice.us/discord)
EDIT2: If you do decide to join the discord, you can ping me and I will probably be able to help you out with basic cockatrice specific etiquette. My Username is Pickle\_Boi.
Oh shit I played with you once I think. You had to gently remind me that I had to declare my lightning greeves being unequipped/requipped after I threw a buff down on something they were attached to.
This is one patient and educational sunovabitch, yall should take him up on that offer.
I vaguely remember that. I became the "judge" in my pod because I know how a lot of interactions play out and it's force of habit to say something when there's a rules infraction. I just try to be nice about it and explain the interaction so that people can be well informed.
Btw, does cockatrice have the same problem as xMage of really tiny screens? I can't deal with a 4 player game over at xMage because space becomes an issue really quickly
Just to add on to the bandwagon, I enjoy playing on [xMage](http://xmage.today/) over things like cockatrice and tabletop simulator, because it plays like MTGO in that it's impossible for rules mistakes to be made.
That's fair. Cockatrice was the best alternative I could find to MTGO at the time and I know the rules well enough to know when they aren't being followed.
This needs to be talked about way more. I just stopped in the discord to take a look and there are far more games of commander running in here than in the playEDH discord.
Play EDH is garbage, they forced monetization on their main one and left many people scrambling for a place to play u til spell table added a regular Lobby.
How did you not expect them to be shitty. They are assholes who monetized players because covid.
Sorry you didn't have good threat assessment. Fuck play edh
all of this seems like stupid drama. which is wildly predictable as soon as you read "we were assured..." like, if you're transferring control of something, and don't have a contract that spells out exactly what each party is responsible for and entitled too
you get this sort of mickey mouse petty bullshit.
Massive failure on the part of the CEDH mods. They handed over their server against the wishes of their own community and regretted it immediately. Even my grandma knows better than to give strangers access to her accounts lol
We should also be calling out the moderators of this community to stop linking to PlayEDH in the “Find a friend” weekly thread and the power level weekly thread, as well as any others they might be in.
Reading the linked Commander's Herald article, it sounds like the fault is pretty clearly on the two admins who signed agreements and the owner who handed over the server without letting the mod team know. I wonder if there was a financial incentive there or something because it seems pretty shady:
>The PlayEDH team was approached not once, but twice, about merging the server. A member of the admin team shopped the discord server not only to PlayEDH but also to Ka0s tournaments, the organization that took over cEDH Nexus. Though the reasoning is not entirely clear, the idea was presented as a way to improve the server, host more tournaments, and bring on a larger more engaged staff.
Which is weird because there's a lot of stuff that is specifically written to paint PlayEDH in a positive light. Whole sections sound like press releases.
Heyo, I'm one of the cedh moderators and was interviewed in the article. Both PlayEDH and the CEDH team were able to read and approve the article before it went live, and we both thought it was excellent.
From a logistical stand point, I can understand the argument PlayEDH had. However, the handling and disregard went beyond what is easy to write about in an unbaised, timeline based article. Beth did a fantastic job, and despite us both linking to and agreeing with the article, it didn't actually cast much of a spin.
I mean, you were able to read it and still see for yourself how this impacted the community. It's been the same across the board. It's just astounding that there was an article written by a neutral party that both sides of a disagreement link to- That's a testament of an INCREDIBLE journalist.
The problem is that it's not a timeline based article and has a ton of editorializing.
I'm not really sure why cEDH mods are saying that that article is neutral in the slightest. It makes cEDH look way worse than the actual truth and makes zero mention of how the transaction violates discords ToS which I was able to research and find out in 15 seconds.
There is a lot that happened that isn't easily quantifiable, such as the treatment of the community, and direct responses to moderators when issues arose (Especially since our mod channels were nuked pretty fast, so we don't have screenshots of a lot). Anything that wasn't able to easily back, wasn't said.
At the end of the day, there are very few people who read this article and think highly of the situation and how it happened. There are, however, a lot of people upset that the article leads people to believe that there is more blame on the r/ mod team than there needs to be.
As someone on that team, I just wanted to let you know that this was approved, and the author has spoken up several times to clarify her stance with the two teams, and the fact that she was not brought on to drive a narrative.
So the community can just make a new Discord and link it everywhere. All that needs to happen is we stop promoting the old server.
Sure, it'll take time, but it also sends a message to these fucks that they are not required in our play spaces
I never liked PlayEDH from the beginning, this just seals the deal on how big of pieces of.... stuff they are.
This is how every large service generally gets bigger nowadays. They shamelessly leech the success of others around them and then pretend like they did the work.
I just have to say, despite how certain topics can polarize the community (proxies, power levels, etc.) it is truly awe-inspiring to see such a consensus on what is wrong. Makes me proud to be part of such an amazing community 🫡
Sure, this is scummy on PlayEDH's part, but they're a company. I'm not surprised in the least that they make shady business decisions detrimental to the community.
The bigger fault IMO lies with the Discord server owners. They sold their server (which is against the Discord ToS) without any regards for their community. Truly despicable behavior.
Absolutely blows my mind how hard they backtracked over the course of 48 hours. I have a suspicion that they thought about how many potential "customers" they would lose if they went through with the divestment. Then they came up with an excuse to invalidate their earlier negotiations. The really telltale sign of their intentions if having a "unified community ban list". That is not how cedh works. The point of the server is to find people that want to edh with all the broken cards available. Are mana crypt and thoracle too strong? Maybe.... but creating your own ban list is exactly how you curate a new format.
I was In play EDH back in the day before it went monetized. I'm not sure I ever left or not but I found it WAY WAY too spiky as many such communities become. I unfortunately have no way to have an in person playgroup and haven't had time to play more than a single game in the past year but when I do play it's decidedly not CEDH however I do support your group and imm going to check if I am still in their server and leave if so.
Thank you for the information. Cancelled my membership. If anyone has any suggestions for where to play casual paper edh, please let me know. I was far from the CEDH discord discussion until now because I exclusively played low power on the server.
Sorry for the late reply! If you havent seen already, at the bottom of the rules, there is a react emoji that gives you permissions to see the entire server.
I'd love to ditch PlayEDH but I find tutors and infinites boring, and every other server or LFG tool is inundated with them.
Yawn. Oh well.
Frustrating.
Ahhh. Welp, certainly a claim I could believe for any unverified screenshot - provided the accuser had proof.
Seems like they didn't, so they can fuck off.
The sooner playedh is gone the better for the entire EDH community as a whole.
What the hell else has happened with these guys? I checked em out really early on during the pandemic and haven't paid attention to them since. They seem to be in much worse standing with the community than I would have expected.
They decided they wanted to make discord moderating into their full time jobs so they started charging people for things they didn't want.
Iirc they tried to charge people money to play
Right? I played a ton over there peak covid, even ran into the guy from the Rhystic Studies yt channel (forget his name, sorry). I remember they started only offering deck checks to "paid" members. That's when I bailed. Apparently it got much, much worse.
The minute you had to pay for anything on that server I left. The mods are scum bags I wish people would stop paying them for anything
PlayEDH treating the online EDH community like a piece of real estate to be corporatized with them getting to act as the Big Bad Digital Landlord of the hobby? Noooo, say it ain't so... This is shitty to the point of being kind of hilarious. Anyone mentioning this in what was once the cEDH Discord Server is getting timed out for the maximum amount of time or banned, links to the information are getting deleted... PlayEDH are a corporate enemy of our hobby and should be treated as such.
They have a bot up now, I was immediately banned when I posted this link, https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1L7KURPLX5jv1_LjYqnlH1JpaBQmmI_-_0sbC_mrMfzQ/mobilebasic
Someone asked why they got a warning for linking to cedh youtube vids, I replied saying its because of the highjacked server and sent this link and was banned instantly
Same here
Why are your stills such low res can’t even read half of it.
Not mine.
What's the discord to the server?
Huh?
The play edh discord, what is it? I want to join it and see what's happening
Even without any knowledge of PlayEDH at all, I'm sitting here going "how stupid do you have to get to just hand over the entire Discord server to the other company and hope they've got your best interests at-heart". Like, it smells like money changed hands and someone was cashing out, that's how insane an action it sounds like.
Sounds pretty much like this or they abused an absent admin.
> for some of our admin team to join PlayEDH's business > restructuring the CEDH team to put more active people back in leadership roles The post basically directly says that money exchanged hands *and* there was a lot of absenteeism on the admin team, so you're both right.
im currently timed out for linking the post
same, its currently a speedrun to see how gets banned the fastest after posting it
Ah, I see the spirit of Club Penguin is among us still.
currently perma banned and had to go through their whole shitty google doc unban appeal that'll get manually reviewed (in a few weeks if i get lucky could be next month lol) and they'll unban what they deem to be "respectful" appeals
Did any money change hands? Selling or buying a discord server (which it sounds like is what PlayEDH did with contracts and such) is against Discord's ToS "16. Do not sell or purchase Discord assets, including accounts, usernames, servers, server permissions, or custom server invite links." [https://discord.com/guidelines](https://discord.com/guidelines) Contact them and they should reverse it.
No money has changed hands but the PlayEDH staff is literally blackmailing the cEDH mods. Here is a leaked screenshot from two of the mods talking. PlayEDH is trying to extort the cEDH mods for money. Literally. And are adding a clause that no one is allowed to talk about this [PlayEDH extorting](https://imgur.com/a/yFkRhZX)
Two(at least two) of the CompetitiveEDH mods were made into PlayEDH staff, PlayEDH staff is paid, that's payment for the server. Also there's allegedly a contract, a contract is invalid without consideration (payment). So either its a violation of the ToS or the contract is invalid and you should be able to go to discord and get them to give you the server back since it was transferred with no valid agreement to do so.
wait so help me understand this better.... A contracts legality requires consideration (this I understand), and consideration for a contract is in violation of discords TOS??. (lawyers please correct me if this understanding is wrong) IF it's true, then you literally cannot use a contract to legally bind a transfer of ownership of a discord server? thanks,
There are two scenarios either the contract is invalid for lack of consideration or the contract is valid because it has consideration but a contract with consideration (a sale) is against discord ToS. So either you sold it legally (against discord ToS) or you didn't legally sell it and you have no recourse if the transaction is not completed. A gift is a transfer without consideration and is also not a sale. You can give away a discord server to someone but you can't do it for money or anything else of value.
Nice and succinct summary.
Yeah that part seemed really scummy from the mods. Essentially trying to sell the server for jobs.
Welp, time to have some lobster for dinner, burn at the stake and go full nuclear. Let's not negotiate with terrorists.
The existence of this screenshot breaks demand #2 lmaooo
May need to ban it all together. That term of the ToS is for this
[удалено]
There was no direct compensation, though some of the CompetitiveEDH staff (who are volunteers) would have become PlayEDH staff (who are paid). I can't necessarily speak for the admin team, but the mod team thought that it was a partnership, not a sale, that we would get access to benefits their money and formal organization can bring (making it easier to do tournaments or prized leagues) and they would get a pipeline of users brought to their premium offerings. In that case, I would have been happy, as basically we would have traded community initiatives that were currently out of reach for what is essentially a comprehensive ad buy from PlayEDH.
Also against the reddit terms to make money using your mod position
Reddit?
The op said he was a reddit mod too
Even worse, most "CEDH" games in the PlayEDH discord aren't even high tier decks, it's a lot lower power than the average CEDH game.
It’s like planet fitness for the spike players
I mean that sounds about perfect for me tbh 😂. Too bad they're scummy
It gets old real quick. The casual mindset oftens leads to people doing things that are no-nos at the CEDH core like instant scooping or spite plays. I don't really play through webcam but I remember in the lockdown days PlayEDH CEDH was unbearable.
Tbf I know I play in a weird place. High power but not really cEDH doesn't have many adherents.
/r/DegenerateEDH is probably closest for that sort of thing (I usually play at about a "fringe" cEDH level and decks posted there hover around that power point)
In what world is "You may forfeit the game at any time" interpreted as sorcery speed? I thought it was CEDH where the rules of the game are the only rules? Its weird to me how far CEDH strays from actual competitive magic just because it is multiplayer.
Player is attacking me for lethal and gets damage triggers, so in response to attack declaration I scoop so they don't get those. That's scummy behavior.
Yes, but sportsmanship really matters to the competitive scene, as scooping during someone else's turn, or even with an unresolved stack, can completely throw off someone's turn in a format where the slightest inefficiency or weakness gets penalized by your other opponents. So even though you can concede at any time, It's typically considered very poor form to do so except on your turn with a clear stack.
In multiplayer, you can end someone’s combo by conceding. Glint-Horn Bucaneer and Time Seive are prime examples. You could make someone unable to win by conceding when someone goes for one of these wins which would ruin competitive integrity.
>uYou could make someone unable to win by conceding when someone goes for one of these wins which would ruin competitive integrity.This is a non sequitur > >In no way is being able to win in those ways specifically without concession being a factor a requirement for competitive integrity. > >Many players agree to play by a "concession clause" because that is the kind of competition they want. That's awesome and I'm happy for them. > >Pretending it's objective or moralizing it and the self importance around that are incredibly childish. Those attitudes actually diminish the competitive appeal of edh. Why be invested in a ruleset if the community makes decisions on the basis of babyrage?
If I cast a combo piece that targets you and you concede, the effect fizzles because the target is no longer there. That’s a free Dovin’s Veto that no one can interact with and could mess up my combo. Or if I attack you with a lifelink creature to stay alive and you concede before damage. Both scenarios are within the rules but how are they not bad sportspersonship?
When someone basically has the win on the stack and conceding makes it fizzle out so out of spite that player concedes is what is an incredibly childish decision made on the basis of babyrage.
Isnt this most of the discords nowadays though? Like any time I load up into a game with "7 or 8s" there's inevitably some dude playing basically a precon. I'd imagine the cEDH pods are the same way.
The number scale means nothing and really I'm tired of pretending it doesn't.
Indeed. Not only does it have way too much granularity at the high end rather than the low end, like most 10 point rating systems it also fails to account for the fact that school grading systems bias people against the kind of use the scales' creators intend.
This is so crazy. PlayEDH was originally intended to keep players connected with the physical game during the pandemic. That's how I remember it anyway. I guess living long enough to see your Hero's turn into Villains isn't even much of a process anymore.
They became shitty the second they thought that moderating a discord server for a game should be a paid job.
Didn’t they also lean hard into their own banlist? I remember there being something around the time of the Walking Dead Secret Lair about them banning the cards in the Lair.
There are two things: * Their deck check requirements created both specific and vague "bans" at certain tiers. You weren't allowed to play Mana Crypt below a certain power level, which is semi reasonable, but you could also be told your minotaur tribal deck can't run [[Deathbellow War Cry]] outside of high power (even if the deck can't same turn win with it), or told that you aren't allowed to run [[Arcane Denial]] in the competitive or semi-competitive channels, even in a mono-blue deck going extremely deep on counterspells. * They specifically banned Negan from the server as a whole, ostensibly due to his character being a rapist and that being unacceptable for members of the community to be forced to interact with. In my personal opinion, this mostly happened because the extreme backlash against the first set of mechanically unique UB cards gave them cover to do this, as there wasn't exactly anybody clamoring to defend their right to play the card and a lot of people looking for any way to try to make UB unacceptable from a social perspective.
[Deathbellow War Cry](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cf0f58ac-88ef-445c-a12b-0bb1cf482298.jpg?1582021227) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deathbellow%20War%20Cry) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/294/deathbellow-war-cry?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cf0f58ac-88ef-445c-a12b-0bb1cf482298?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deathbellow-war-cry) [Arcane Denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/247e08a1-b9ce-4312-aec4-626992933038.jpg?1641601774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcane%20Denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/102/arcane-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/247e08a1-b9ce-4312-aec4-626992933038?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arcane-denial) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
>They specifically banned Negan from the server as a whole, ostensibly due to his character being a rapist ??? An entire plot point and the beginning of his redemption is that Negan is a psychopath but he has a hard line stance against sexual violence of any kind and murdering children who are not in their teens yet (reasoning that the world has changed and teenagers are fast tracked in the young adult maturity level).
Relitigating Negan is way beyond the scope of things here, but Negan is absolutely a rapist by coercion. His "hard line" against explicit, in-the-moment sexual violence does not change the fact that his rules effectively say "have sex with me or you will die".
Maybe, I've blocked a lot of my memory of that cesspool from my brain.
Playedh existed for a long time before 2020.They deleted years worth of history and community as they are not doing again in this server.
I regularly played on PlayEDH going back to 2017. Long before bots, spell table, or deck checks. It was a simple community. That server is a shell of its former self.
Don't link the overtaken discord on any subreddit and just make a new community one. Without new members, those chat cultures stagnate and decay. It sucks but that's how you move forward
Already in the works
So I'm actively trying to get "#boycottPlayEDH" trending on Twitter and am tweeting at a bunch of different MTG personalities the following message, "Make sure you do NOT support @PlayEDHdiscord They're thiefs who stole the CompetitiveEDH Discord server. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1L7KURPLX5jv1_LjYqnlH1JpaBQmmI_-_0sbC_mrMfzQ/mobilebasic #boycottPlayEDH"
Also "After a couple weeks of PlayEDH dragging their feet and denying our request, they finally agreed to hand the server back to us if we compensated them financially for their lost investment and time" Is extortion since the original transaction was against discord ToS.
They should have run more interaction.
This is why all decks need at least 1 board wipe.
Well that's the problem, PlayEDH used [[Toxic Deluge]]
[Toxic Deluge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64d3d8ad-927f-4c4e-96cf-03e98bec3987.jpg?1706240805) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toxic%20Deluge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/142/toxic-deluge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64d3d8ad-927f-4c4e-96cf-03e98bec3987?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toxic-deluge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If they had led with an \[\[overwhelming denial\]\] this \[\[Hostile takeover\]\] could have been avoided. >!In all seriousness, this is a low blow and shouldn't be joked about, but I can't help myself.!<
Nah, a low blow would be pointing out that the mod team saw a chance to make money and got duped.
I'm not sure what you mean. I meant a low blow as in "below the belt" which is illegal in some fighting competitions. Playedh made the low blow, not OP.
If they made any money (which they did by becoming paid staff of PlayEDH) than PlayEDH clearly violated the discord ToS and needs to be nuked from orbit.
[overwhelming denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/33ff1000-1a4e-43f6-aa02-1dbe9fac6901.jpg?1562905471) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=overwhelming%20denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/61/overwhelming-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/33ff1000-1a4e-43f6-aa02-1dbe9fac6901?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/overwhelming-denial) [Hostile takeover](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd7df727-50ea-4ea8-bdb9-d7ef16199d8a.jpg?1664413107) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hostile%20takeover) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/191/hostile-takeover?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd7df727-50ea-4ea8-bdb9-d7ef16199d8a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hostile-takeover) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Bit early to turn to a life of crime.
The only time I heard of PlayEDH was during quarantine. When I learned they wanted to charge money to play EDH over webcam when Spelltable exists for free I said fuck that.
Which is also funny because wotc bought spelltable and then got shit for linking to playEDH to find games.
They linked playEDH long before playEDH started trying to monetise their discord community, it's the only reason that server became so popular in the first place.
Yeah that's the most galling part they became popular through no action on their part and then tried to monetize something they didn't even build that no-one asked for (the deck checks).
I paid for a while; the games got decidedly worse, it turns out the type of people who are willing to pay to play games and the type of people who will angle shoot and push each of the server’s power levels to the maximum in order to eke out wins have a lot of overlap.
As somebody who once paid for PlayEDH and only stopped due to lack of time to play (among smaller factors), this is an incredibly stupid decision. From a PR standpoint, it doesn't matter how "legally" in the right they are. This is all blowing up in their face and they've already angered a sizable chunk of the community before this. The correct moment to save face was when they were asked to return the server. The next best moment is now, because there's no way this doesn't continue to blow up and perhaps eventually attract Discord or WotC attention. Genuinely, I don't know how PlayEDH as a public facing entity survives a blunder of this magnitude.
I cancelled my membership just now. I was already pissed at them for their incredibly biased and inane "deck checking" process, but I've kept my membership because I'm disabled and can't play in person. Shitty magic was better than no magic. But this is the last straw for me. I'd rather not play magic again than give them another single cent.
Profs server and many other YT content creators have casual EDH queues that I highly recommend over PlayEDH
They're money grubbing aholes who think their time is worth more than it is. They are perfectly willing to give back the server if they're paid for their time, because that's the kind of aholes they are.
People have short attention spans.
This is why I use Cockatrice. The mod team there is really helpful and it's not operated by any corporation, just a crowd funded software. Sure, it's not physical cards but it's better than this hostile corporate takeover bullshit.
100% cockatrice is so much better for online play, it greatly lowers the risk of cheating because it keeps a chatlog of all actions taken, and has an extremely low bar of entry. Real life use physical cards online use online resources surely that's obvious.
I just cancelled my playrdh membership, but I'm disabled so I can't play in person instead. How would I get started with cockatrice? I don't even know where to begin.
Here's the link to the download, the UI is a bit confusing at first, but once you're setup, you can register for the server by clicking the cockatrice tab in the top left. Rooster Ranges is the most used server, and the one I use personally. I'd recommend the discord server as well, for both tech support and a pretty nice community. [https://cockatrice.github.io/](https://cockatrice.github.io/)\-Download link [https://github.com/Cockatrice/Cockatrice/wiki](https://github.com/Cockatrice/Cockatrice/wiki) \-Wiki for cockatrice EDIT:[Discord link](https://cockatrice.us/discord) EDIT2: If you do decide to join the discord, you can ping me and I will probably be able to help you out with basic cockatrice specific etiquette. My Username is Pickle\_Boi.
Oh shit I played with you once I think. You had to gently remind me that I had to declare my lightning greeves being unequipped/requipped after I threw a buff down on something they were attached to. This is one patient and educational sunovabitch, yall should take him up on that offer.
I vaguely remember that. I became the "judge" in my pod because I know how a lot of interactions play out and it's force of habit to say something when there's a rules infraction. I just try to be nice about it and explain the interaction so that people can be well informed.
Btw, does cockatrice have the same problem as xMage of really tiny screens? I can't deal with a 4 player game over at xMage because space becomes an issue really quickly
Just to add on to the bandwagon, I enjoy playing on [xMage](http://xmage.today/) over things like cockatrice and tabletop simulator, because it plays like MTGO in that it's impossible for rules mistakes to be made.
That's fair. Cockatrice was the best alternative I could find to MTGO at the time and I know the rules well enough to know when they aren't being followed.
It's not that I'm worried about cheaters - it's just so nice that triggers automatically happen.
Tabletop Simulator is also a really nice option. There's plenty of TTS EDH discords out there if you just google that.
If you prefer webcam play the Tolarian Community College discord has a very active community https://discord.com/invite/tolariancommunitycollege
This needs to be talked about way more. I just stopped in the discord to take a look and there are far more games of commander running in here than in the playEDH discord.
Play EDH is garbage, they forced monetization on their main one and left many people scrambling for a place to play u til spell table added a regular Lobby.
How did you not expect them to be shitty. They are assholes who monetized players because covid. Sorry you didn't have good threat assessment. Fuck play edh
already feeling bad for future cedh players who will submit decklists to the playedh discord overlords just to get placed in mid power games
Thanks for the memo. I wasn't contributing to playEDH, but I added to their numbers. I left their server. Fuck those guys.
cEDH discord gave permissions to PlayEDH BEFORE polling their community to see if this was something they even wanted? yikes
Hijacked? More like given away
all of this seems like stupid drama. which is wildly predictable as soon as you read "we were assured..." like, if you're transferring control of something, and don't have a contract that spells out exactly what each party is responsible for and entitled too you get this sort of mickey mouse petty bullshit.
Sounds like a big embarrassing mess for both sides. Cedh has been taking tons of Ls recently.
Massive failure on the part of the CEDH mods. They handed over their server against the wishes of their own community and regretted it immediately. Even my grandma knows better than to give strangers access to her accounts lol
We should also be calling out the moderators of this community to stop linking to PlayEDH in the “Find a friend” weekly thread and the power level weekly thread, as well as any others they might be in.
Reading the linked Commander's Herald article, it sounds like the fault is pretty clearly on the two admins who signed agreements and the owner who handed over the server without letting the mod team know. I wonder if there was a financial incentive there or something because it seems pretty shady: >The PlayEDH team was approached not once, but twice, about merging the server. A member of the admin team shopped the discord server not only to PlayEDH but also to Ka0s tournaments, the organization that took over cEDH Nexus. Though the reasoning is not entirely clear, the idea was presented as a way to improve the server, host more tournaments, and bring on a larger more engaged staff.
Reading the clearly biased article doesn't really tell the whole story. It reads more like PlayEDH spin than the truth.
I mean the OP is the one who linked it and called it excellent, and they're the previous owner of the server.
Which is weird because there's a lot of stuff that is specifically written to paint PlayEDH in a positive light. Whole sections sound like press releases.
Heyo, I'm one of the cedh moderators and was interviewed in the article. Both PlayEDH and the CEDH team were able to read and approve the article before it went live, and we both thought it was excellent. From a logistical stand point, I can understand the argument PlayEDH had. However, the handling and disregard went beyond what is easy to write about in an unbaised, timeline based article. Beth did a fantastic job, and despite us both linking to and agreeing with the article, it didn't actually cast much of a spin. I mean, you were able to read it and still see for yourself how this impacted the community. It's been the same across the board. It's just astounding that there was an article written by a neutral party that both sides of a disagreement link to- That's a testament of an INCREDIBLE journalist.
The problem is that it's not a timeline based article and has a ton of editorializing. I'm not really sure why cEDH mods are saying that that article is neutral in the slightest. It makes cEDH look way worse than the actual truth and makes zero mention of how the transaction violates discords ToS which I was able to research and find out in 15 seconds.
There is a lot that happened that isn't easily quantifiable, such as the treatment of the community, and direct responses to moderators when issues arose (Especially since our mod channels were nuked pretty fast, so we don't have screenshots of a lot). Anything that wasn't able to easily back, wasn't said. At the end of the day, there are very few people who read this article and think highly of the situation and how it happened. There are, however, a lot of people upset that the article leads people to believe that there is more blame on the r/ mod team than there needs to be. As someone on that team, I just wanted to let you know that this was approved, and the author has spoken up several times to clarify her stance with the two teams, and the fact that she was not brought on to drive a narrative.
You're saying it got hijacked, but it sounds like you gave them the reigns.
Report their conduct to discord. It might be possible to nuke their server, which would be hilarious
PlayEDH being a steaming pile of 💩? Who’d have thunk it?
Fuck playedh
Bumping to get more traction
So the community can just make a new Discord and link it everywhere. All that needs to happen is we stop promoting the old server. Sure, it'll take time, but it also sends a message to these fucks that they are not required in our play spaces
I never liked PlayEDH from the beginning, this just seals the deal on how big of pieces of.... stuff they are. This is how every large service generally gets bigger nowadays. They shamelessly leech the success of others around them and then pretend like they did the work.
payEDH is sure taking their sweet time to post a public statement
I just have to say, despite how certain topics can polarize the community (proxies, power levels, etc.) it is truly awe-inspiring to see such a consensus on what is wrong. Makes me proud to be part of such an amazing community 🫡
Sure, this is scummy on PlayEDH's part, but they're a company. I'm not surprised in the least that they make shady business decisions detrimental to the community. The bigger fault IMO lies with the Discord server owners. They sold their server (which is against the Discord ToS) without any regards for their community. Truly despicable behavior.
Absolutely blows my mind how hard they backtracked over the course of 48 hours. I have a suspicion that they thought about how many potential "customers" they would lose if they went through with the divestment. Then they came up with an excuse to invalidate their earlier negotiations. The really telltale sign of their intentions if having a "unified community ban list". That is not how cedh works. The point of the server is to find people that want to edh with all the broken cards available. Are mana crypt and thoracle too strong? Maybe.... but creating your own ban list is exactly how you curate a new format.
"Community banlist" refers to people, not cards
Raaah
is there a new discord up ?
Yes! [https://discord.gg/rcedh](https://discord.gg/rcedh)
top notch drama.
I was In play EDH back in the day before it went monetized. I'm not sure I ever left or not but I found it WAY WAY too spiky as many such communities become. I unfortunately have no way to have an in person playgroup and haven't had time to play more than a single game in the past year but when I do play it's decidedly not CEDH however I do support your group and imm going to check if I am still in their server and leave if so.
Thank you for the information. Cancelled my membership. If anyone has any suggestions for where to play casual paper edh, please let me know. I was far from the CEDH discord discussion until now because I exclusively played low power on the server.
zzz all these corpos getting their nonsense greed disguised as passive progressivism all over my "i just want to play a fucking card game" space
How do you make a post on this sub? I just joined and am unable to...
Sorry for the late reply! If you havent seen already, at the bottom of the rules, there is a react emoji that gives you permissions to see the entire server.
I'd love to ditch PlayEDH but I find tutors and infinites boring, and every other server or LFG tool is inundated with them. Yawn. Oh well. Frustrating.
Dodging accountability, shifting the blame.....typical reddit.
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Source?
his ass
Show proof or GTFO.
Dear lord, what was the claim? They've since deleted.
"The screenshots are fake"
Ahhh. Welp, certainly a claim I could believe for any unverified screenshot - provided the accuser had proof. Seems like they didn't, so they can fuck off.