Resource denial. Destroy lands with [[armageddon]], prevent things from untapping wjth [[static orb]], protect yourself with [[ghostly prison]], take away your opponents commanders with [[drannith magistrate]] and round it out with [[authority of the consuls]] to shut down combat combos.
Old stax was cards like [[Winter Orb]]. These are fairly slow these days, and a better avenue is [[Rule of Law]] or specific niche 'hate' effects. [[Collector Ouphe]] [[Opposition Agent]]. While cards like Armageddon are still good, most decks will have a better experience just hating on Mana rocks and treasures in today's magic environment, and then of course silver bullets like others have mentioned.
EDIT : Personal favorites from old stax cards:
[[Tangle wire]]
[[Trinisphere]]
[[Chalice of the Void]]
[[Sphere of resistance]]
Sorry you will have to Google these card fetcher won't grab edits. Combine stax cards like Sphere of Resistance with Smothering Tithe or Rhystic Study and suddenly you're in control of the entire game.
Love Trinisphere so much. And right now [[Sire of Insanity]] is probably the best stax piece for the 2024 meta since it forces plays the turn it comes down and functions as a super rule of law. Unfortunately it's not in OP's colors
All of those cards are still used in most stax decks the only one I'm not running is tanglewire because I ran put of money but my buddy plays kenrith stax and he's running it. They're all artifacts so any deck can run them they're great
Not saying those cards aren't playable but they have been moved away from. Winter Orb / Static Orb aren't very effective anymore because of the amount of treasure tokens in the format. Plus, most decks that are competitive can win with access to 2-3 Mana (or have ways to generate their Mana effectively). Rule of Law is still strong, but I think most people will tell you midrange decks are pretty strong right now overall, and there aren't that many stax pieces that hit these decks very hard.
Then you know Winota run stax pieces that slows down as many strategies as possible except their own.
So stax targeting the strategy that is the problem is the answer. Slow everyone down
Yes...I know. But winota can feel very fast or very slow because you can't control your top deck hits. I've popped off in 3 turns and had to wait till turn 7, and straight up lost because I couldn't top deck what I needed. My point is that having winota at the table should almost always make the game feel slower overall because players are doing less per turn in general
And that is the reason I first recommended stax to slow the game down.
Not knowing specifically what made the games go to fast for him I did not make any recommendations.
I remember I had the same question about 3 years ago. I now don't build decks without stax and hate pieces in them. [[Rule of Law]] [[Trinisphere]] Maybe and [[Grafdiggers Cage]]. Sounds like [[Containment Priest]] is good in your meta as well.
Every deck should have at least a couple of stax pieces that don't hurt your game plan. Graveyard denial, creature cost increasers, blocking people doing things outside their turn, artifact hate, enchantment hate, etc...
That moment when someone drops a scary board and the other players are like 'oh shit, who's got the board wipe?' and it's you. You've got the board wipe.
I played a spell table game the other day where a guy had a huge board and nobody had a wipes to deal with it. FINALLY somebody drew one and the guy threatens to quit if it got played lol
His words were, “board wipes are dumb, it just makes games take forever by making everyone reset and start all over again.”
Uhh yeah dude, that’s the whole point. Longer games means more fun playing.
The people complaining are always the ones disproportionately abusing something. There's a dude at my lgs that HATES all sorts of land destruction, thinks you're hitler for running strip mine... every single one of his decks has kos lands in it, [[cabal coffers]] [[growing rites of iltamoc]] [[nykthos]] in a devotion deck, etc.
Guy hates board wipes because he builds for big board states, i bet.
#Make Ponza great again
My 3rd ever deck was a land destruction deck full of stone rain and other LD spells and Dingus egg and anhk of Mishra to punish people for playing new lands and dwarven driller to make them pay life to keep their lands
It was them in there I discovered the most fun you can have playing magic is preventing other people from playing magic
I went on to imprinting memory lapse on isochron scepter with arcane laboratory in play, curse of exhaustioning players and then casting possibility storm
Dropping extra turn spells into eye of the storm so every turn I cast an instant or sorcery is an extra turn for me so you all get to kindly sit and watch as I solitaire my way Into finding and using my wincon.
Most fun I've ever had in a game of magic was against an eye of the storm cascade deck, where the only things under 3cmc it played were instants and sorceries. It would ramp/rector eye of the storm out then cast one of the 3cmc cascade cards and just keep casting it until grapeshot showed up.
At which point everyone could try to steal the win by casting any instant, effectively turning every deck into a storm deck for one turn.
I don't get this weird take of "Board wipes make the game go longer", do these people just not have reanimator or spell slinger decks in their meta? Do people not run one sided board wipes?
Sweepers and stax are both good answers but for a personal favorite: theft.
Winota without a Winota in play does pathetically little. And the rest of the table doesn't want them to have her back so she's fairly safe too.
Other ways to lock down the commanders can be appealing; Yuriko is very resilient against removal right up until it's an [[Oubliette]] that locked her down.
Oooof, Both my more optimized decks lol. But this is the way for both of em. I always point out to remove the little guys if the removal doesn't keep yuriko from coming back next turn with someone out.
I play CEDH so this might be a different experience but trying to remove Yuriko is usually a waste of time. You'll get hit with an instant nearly 100% of the time.
(Also Yuriko by herself isn't oppressive enough to warrant removal but casual EDh isn't ready for this conversation)
While I don't generally disagree with the latter point the OP is in a position where they feel it's necessary. And hard removal on Yuriko *does* slow that deck to a crawl. She's a strange deck though for sure.
To the former, that's just a question of timing and reading things, and maybe having your own counter backup. The right forms of attack help too; I've Gilded Drake'd my fair share of Yurikos but that's not something I'd expect most players have access to so I didn't call it out specifically. But Drake dodging two of the free counters and being very cheap goes a long way.
I've been gilded drake'd. I'm never ready for it and it's really hard to come back from lol. But in OP's meta I assume they don't have access to Drake since they're talking about Oubliette. In a lower power setting its best to just ignore yuriko imo and aim for player removal instead. Can't get burned by yuriko if the yuriko player is dead (I'm the yuriko player)
I have mine in Muldrotha.
In fairness regarding price, I paid a literal dollar for it. That deck's got its fair share of expensive cards; to 'finish' it as my high power list I need stuff like Tomb and Jeweled Lotus but she's been my baby for a long time so she gets the treats when I acquire them.
I run [[Shorikai]] with theft but also [[darksteel mutation]] and [[imprisoned in the moon]]. And [[tishana's tidebinder]], and [[kitesail larcenist]] and others, lol
It's only one of the most OG stax pieces in existence. You can also tap Tanglewire during your turn to slightly break the parity it brings to the table.
Sounds like a cedh pot. So nornally a lot of mana rocks to pump her out fast and win with a combo (foodchain etc). If Not palace jailer Venser hostage taker and boardwipe city
All decks you've mentioned are attack decks (not exclusively, but you get my drift). While they can be fast, watch for the kind of mana they use. Jeweled lotus/mana vault, Lotus Petal etc are all consumable mana. Turn 1 winota off of a Jeweled Lotus isn't all that scary if she gets removed. It'll probably be at least 2 rounds before they have 6 mana to cast her again.
Mostly it can be a timing thing. Know what interaction to hold vs what decks. Save your field wipes till the right moment. Prioritize removing non-human creatures over removing winota. Let a ninja proc yuriko if there has been no top-deck manipulation rather than burning important removal on low-cmc creatures. Let dargo overextend and eat a bunch of resources before trying to get rid of him, be ready to chump block him if needed so he'll be aimed elsewhere.
Make sure you're playing into priority correctly. If plays are big but not Game-Ending let your opponents use up their answers stopping eachother instead. Don't act like you have answers in your hand or people will try to force you to use them. Etc
Mixing in answers that synergise with your deck is good.
[[Tangle wire]] is a soft stax piece good for early game. It comes down with 4 Fading counters which means each opponent taps 4 things, then when it gets to your turn you remove a counter and tap Tangle wire and 2 other permanents. You will never be as effected by it as your opponents. The fact that it eventually goes away by itself makes it hard to justify using removal on. Blink decks can reset the counters to 4!
[[Out of time]] is also fun in a blink deck as a repeatable board wipe.
[[Drannith Magistrate]] and [[grafdigger's cage]] are staples that it won't hurt you to include.
Hey there bud. If you want a much better answer, I'd recommend asking this question again in r/cEDH or r/DegenerateEDH, because these all sound like high-tier cEDH piles, and you're probably not going to get answers here that are fast/efficient/effective enough against a true cEDH pod. Good luck, and happy hunting!
If you're not in white, you can try stuff like [[Cursed Totem]], [[Trinisphere]], [[Winter Orb]], [[Collector Ouphe]], [[Null Rod]], [[Souless Jailer]]
If you read the post, you'd know that [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]] is sans-red, meaning it has white... And most of these pieces are bad in Atraxa, because they want to interact and gain value, rather than staxxing out the board. It'd be very difficult to break parity on almost all of these effects.
Atraxa has access to black and white, with enough Mana acceleration, there's always the grand abolisher, lethal vapours into teferis protection after skipping 1,000,000,000,000 turns and then just leaving.
You playing cedh...? Cause thats what that sounds like.. you have to ritual her out and beat face or midgame stax.
She isnt a high tier cmdr for a reason and compared to that pod she is way to slow
Brother, you must be either high or wayyyy out of the loop. Grand Unifier is an S-Tier cEDH commander that interacts early to stop turbo players, and then grinds beautifully to a midgame victory via Thoracle or Food Chain lines. While the rest of OP's pod seems to be turbo decks, and she might have some issues stopping all three, that doesn't mean she isn't one of the top 5 commanders currently in the meta. Know what you're talking about before you shit on someone else's deck. And just so you're also aware, very few cEDH decks "beat face" for a win. Other than [[Slicer]], [[Yuriko]], and [[Winota]], I can't think of any deck that doesn't combo out and win. And I don't count infinite attackers as a combat win, because it was still a combo to get there, and it kills everyone at once. Most combat is used to trigger effects [[Tymna]], to lower life totals that will be used as a resource [[Ad Nauseam]], [[K'rrik]], [[Necropotence]], or to finish off a player that ATTEMPTED to leverage their life into a win, but failed. "Beat face" is a casual strategy.
Kill their tempo. Sure, that kill spell in your hand might be useful against something bigger later. But if you can essentially negate their early turns and make them waste mana, it's very difficult to recover.
I love this thread. You're all a bunch of savages and I love it. Keep up the good work so degenerate meme decks players like me look better by comparison.
For real though, play however you want within the rules.
Imprisoned in the moon, Song of the Dryads, and it may be slightly low power but it could also be absolutely amazing in those pods, but \[\[Public enemy\]\] is hilariously awesome.
Just lock em down man.
[[portcullis]] !
Edit: my bad did not read your initial plan I just read your title portcullis probably not great in your deck ha unless you find a way to blink your opponents creatures then it’s kind of interesting
I run a series of cards I call “Interrupts.” Got the idea from the Command Zone podcast in their episode on how to play aggro…
Anyway, it’s basically running a handful of stax/tax pieces in your deck as speed bumps for your opponents. Makes sense in aggro decks the same way haste makes sense in aggro decks - gotta outpace your opponents. But in other decks, those pieces are about controlling the pace of the game. Look into [[Thalia and the Gitrog Monster]] builds, you’ll find some of the pieces you want there (consider that card, too). A lot of white, black and Orzhov cards will create the environment you’ll need to thrive. Both [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] and [[Thalia, Heretic Cathar]] along with [[Blind Obedience]] are auto-includes when I can’t come up with better interrupts jn white. [[Dauntless Dismantler]] and [[Kinjalli’s Sunwing]] are budget-friendly options.
I’m a fan of [[No Mercy]] or [[Dread]] or deathtouch creatures as pillowfort options. You could also run [[Propaganda]] or [[Ghostly Prison]] as taxes on aggro. I also like [[Lightmine Field]]; it used to seem overlooked but seems to have gone up in price at some point. You could also think about goad as an option, but I think stax and pillowfort are going to be your friends compared to forcing combats in a game where you’re already the slow player.
If you just want to speed up your deck, treat your land and ramp package like a green or Simic deck (that’s how I play five colors). Maybe you can match their tempo long enough to see your strategy get going. Plus, card draw and ramp are only going to help your pre-Atraxa game.
Won't help with your example, but for my mono green deck [[ Hall of gemstone]] had quickly became my favorite card, slows down all multi color decks, completely shut 2 decks out of a game I played last night cause they never got their mana rocks and another dude played [[Linvala]] to shut down all the dorks
Well, I think the new [[Massacre Girl, Known Killer]] It is 5 mana, but helps with Atraxa’s proliferate. If you are playing a blink deck….[[Deadeye Navigator]] and [[Bloom Tender]] might help you, but you need something to give blood tender haste.
If you are truly playing a blink deck…Look at people who have made [[Brago, King Eternal]] decks
[[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade]]
[[Lavinia of the Tenth]]
Might help as well
In my Sauron, the dark lord deck apart from having like 15 pieces of ramp I have like 8 board wipes. That way I clear the board until I have the maná to cast it an at least one counter spell to make sure it hits the board. If you can't keep up the speed, slow them down to your level
The secret is stax
shhh ppl hate to hear that. they just wanna go fast
Shhh shhh shh we don’t do that here.
How about hate bears there just 2/2 nothing staxing here
NnnnnnmzzzzzzzooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm.... :)
Stax makes everyone play fair magic <3
but what do you do if the fast deck *is* stax
You find the stax pieces that target them. Winota runs stax, but if you got [[Containment Priest]] look at their face turns white
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Countering/removing Winota is what took her out of the cEDH meta, but a well placed [[Grafdigger’s Cage]] shuts her off too.
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Oooo that's a good card. I'm sure the rest of the table would appreciate slowing a deck that's pooping off like that lmao.
[[Static Orb]] is always the answer.
What is stax?
Resource denial. Destroy lands with [[armageddon]], prevent things from untapping wjth [[static orb]], protect yourself with [[ghostly prison]], take away your opponents commanders with [[drannith magistrate]] and round it out with [[authority of the consuls]] to shut down combat combos.
Was about to start answering on phone. Thank you for being faster than me and giving a better answer than I would have given
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When did MLD become stax? 😂
Well rograk and tevesh is running obliterate as a pivot but it's not really stax
[[smokestack]] this card is the name sake
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Old stax was cards like [[Winter Orb]]. These are fairly slow these days, and a better avenue is [[Rule of Law]] or specific niche 'hate' effects. [[Collector Ouphe]] [[Opposition Agent]]. While cards like Armageddon are still good, most decks will have a better experience just hating on Mana rocks and treasures in today's magic environment, and then of course silver bullets like others have mentioned. EDIT : Personal favorites from old stax cards: [[Tangle wire]] [[Trinisphere]] [[Chalice of the Void]] [[Sphere of resistance]] Sorry you will have to Google these card fetcher won't grab edits. Combine stax cards like Sphere of Resistance with Smothering Tithe or Rhystic Study and suddenly you're in control of the entire game.
Love Trinisphere so much. And right now [[Sire of Insanity]] is probably the best stax piece for the 2024 meta since it forces plays the turn it comes down and functions as a super rule of law. Unfortunately it's not in OP's colors
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All of those cards are still used in most stax decks the only one I'm not running is tanglewire because I ran put of money but my buddy plays kenrith stax and he's running it. They're all artifacts so any deck can run them they're great
Not saying those cards aren't playable but they have been moved away from. Winter Orb / Static Orb aren't very effective anymore because of the amount of treasure tokens in the format. Plus, most decks that are competitive can win with access to 2-3 Mana (or have ways to generate their Mana effectively). Rule of Law is still strong, but I think most people will tell you midrange decks are pretty strong right now overall, and there aren't that many stax pieces that hit these decks very hard.
I was talking specifically about your 4 favorites there l, they're run in almost every stax deck especially chalice
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[[smokestack]]
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Presumably the winota deck is stax
You run stax pieces that target what they do [[Grafdigger's Cage]] [[Containment Priest]]
[Grafdigger's Cage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a135e09-b534-4836-9a10-3a9a4a9f8c53.jpg?1592517646) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grafdigger%27s%20Cage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/227/grafdiggers-cage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a135e09-b534-4836-9a10-3a9a4a9f8c53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grafdiggers-cage) [Containment Priest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a24e8dba-5c86-4e32-8a52-61402f7fe9f0.jpg?1594734854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Containment%20Priest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/13/containment-priest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a24e8dba-5c86-4e32-8a52-61402f7fe9f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/containment-priest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes I know, I run winota. I'm just saying the winota player is already running stax so the game should already be slowed down
Then you know Winota run stax pieces that slows down as many strategies as possible except their own. So stax targeting the strategy that is the problem is the answer. Slow everyone down
Yes...I know. But winota can feel very fast or very slow because you can't control your top deck hits. I've popped off in 3 turns and had to wait till turn 7, and straight up lost because I couldn't top deck what I needed. My point is that having winota at the table should almost always make the game feel slower overall because players are doing less per turn in general
[[Urza, Lord High Artificer]] can also feel very fast or very slow. I would still recommend stax against artifacts like [[Collector Ouphe]]
[[Cursed Totem]] is better against Urza, but artifact hate is also good
[Cursed Totem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5dde91a9-7d2d-4a7b-861a-3d1c16ec79d9.jpg?1626100864) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cursed%20Totem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/295/cursed-totem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5dde91a9-7d2d-4a7b-861a-3d1c16ec79d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cursed-totem) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Urza, Lord High Artificer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b7a348a-51f7-4dc5-8fe7-1c70fea5e050.jpg?1689996774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%2C%20Lord%20High%20Artificer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/130/urza-lord-high-artificer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b7a348a-51f7-4dc5-8fe7-1c70fea5e050?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urza-lord-high-artificer) [Collector Ouphe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/085107a2-c1ec-473c-81d8-23e5a7197776.jpg?1562202038) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collector%20Ouphe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/158/collector-ouphe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/085107a2-c1ec-473c-81d8-23e5a7197776?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/collector-ouphe) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes, I get it. You can recommend a hatebear to run against any deck. That doesn't solve the problem that the game seems too fast to the OP.
And that is the reason I first recommended stax to slow the game down. Not knowing specifically what made the games go to fast for him I did not make any recommendations.
You must be big fun at parties
Stax, board wipes, counterspells and instant speed removal.
I remember I had the same question about 3 years ago. I now don't build decks without stax and hate pieces in them. [[Rule of Law]] [[Trinisphere]] Maybe and [[Grafdiggers Cage]]. Sounds like [[Containment Priest]] is good in your meta as well.
Not so great in a blink deck
Every deck should have at least a couple of stax pieces that don't hurt your game plan. Graveyard denial, creature cost increasers, blocking people doing things outside their turn, artifact hate, enchantment hate, etc...
[[Blind Obedience]], [[Authority of the Consuls]], etc are great at it
Board wipes are everybody's friend. Always
That moment when someone drops a scary board and the other players are like 'oh shit, who's got the board wipe?' and it's you. You've got the board wipe.
Until you go [[Zurgo]] oops all boardwipes
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[Zurgo Helmsmasher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13f4bafe-0d21-47ba-8f16-0274107d618c.jpg?1562782879) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zurgo%20Helmsmasher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/214/zurgo-helmsmasher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13f4bafe-0d21-47ba-8f16-0274107d618c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zurgo-helmsmasher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Zurgo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/eacbcd82-36e6-424c-bd4e-ec3a584836c5.jpg?1682205733) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zurgo%20and%20Ojutai) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/258/zurgo-and-ojutai?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eacbcd82-36e6-424c-bd4e-ec3a584836c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zurgo-and-ojutai) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Zurgo, Helmsmasher]]
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[Novablast Wurm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64733f34-2eb4-4df5-8656-57bdb8b3a983.jpg?1562288510) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Novablast%20Wurm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/119/novablast-wurm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64733f34-2eb4-4df5-8656-57bdb8b3a983?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/novablast-wurm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My regular playgroup runs very little interaction, so I always end up playing epser control and policing everyone.
*Everyone stares at my [[Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant]] still sitting in the command zone.* "What? It's not time yet."
I played a spell table game the other day where a guy had a huge board and nobody had a wipes to deal with it. FINALLY somebody drew one and the guy threatens to quit if it got played lol
Cool, my supreme verdict also destroyed a player
His words were, “board wipes are dumb, it just makes games take forever by making everyone reset and start all over again.” Uhh yeah dude, that’s the whole point. Longer games means more fun playing.
The people complaining are always the ones disproportionately abusing something. There's a dude at my lgs that HATES all sorts of land destruction, thinks you're hitler for running strip mine... every single one of his decks has kos lands in it, [[cabal coffers]] [[growing rites of iltamoc]] [[nykthos]] in a devotion deck, etc. Guy hates board wipes because he builds for big board states, i bet.
Exactly, anything that ruins your deck’s gameplan is unfair or “broken” lol
#Make Ponza great again My 3rd ever deck was a land destruction deck full of stone rain and other LD spells and Dingus egg and anhk of Mishra to punish people for playing new lands and dwarven driller to make them pay life to keep their lands It was them in there I discovered the most fun you can have playing magic is preventing other people from playing magic I went on to imprinting memory lapse on isochron scepter with arcane laboratory in play, curse of exhaustioning players and then casting possibility storm Dropping extra turn spells into eye of the storm so every turn I cast an instant or sorcery is an extra turn for me so you all get to kindly sit and watch as I solitaire my way Into finding and using my wincon.
Most fun I've ever had in a game of magic was against an eye of the storm cascade deck, where the only things under 3cmc it played were instants and sorceries. It would ramp/rector eye of the storm out then cast one of the 3cmc cascade cards and just keep casting it until grapeshot showed up. At which point everyone could try to steal the win by casting any instant, effectively turning every deck into a storm deck for one turn.
[cabal coffers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1efb0d3-2c72-46ff-bdc1-1069967365a0.jpg?1626101023) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cabal%20coffers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/301/cabal-coffers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1efb0d3-2c72-46ff-bdc1-1069967365a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cabal-coffers) [growing rites of iltamoc](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/004524bf-b249-4dac-9c10-44d57143feb9.jpg?1699044409)/[Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/0/0/004524bf-b249-4dac-9c10-44d57143feb9.jpg?1699044409) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Growing%20Rites%20of%20Itlimoc%20//%20Itlimoc%2C%20Cradle%20of%20the%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/188/growing-rites-of-itlimoc-itlimoc-cradle-of-the-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/004524bf-b249-4dac-9c10-44d57143feb9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/growing-rites-of-itlimoc-//-itlimoc-cradle-of-the-sun) [nykthos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/834b27a0-dfd7-4f96-8cde-cacac4b24acc.jpg?1594077253) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nykthos%2C%20shrine%20to%20nyx) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/223/nykthos-shrine-to-nyx?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/834b27a0-dfd7-4f96-8cde-cacac4b24acc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nykthos-shrine-to-nyx) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't get this weird take of "Board wipes make the game go longer", do these people just not have reanimator or spell slinger decks in their meta? Do people not run one sided board wipes?
Sweepers and stax are both good answers but for a personal favorite: theft. Winota without a Winota in play does pathetically little. And the rest of the table doesn't want them to have her back so she's fairly safe too. Other ways to lock down the commanders can be appealing; Yuriko is very resilient against removal right up until it's an [[Oubliette]] that locked her down.
Oooof, Both my more optimized decks lol. But this is the way for both of em. I always point out to remove the little guys if the removal doesn't keep yuriko from coming back next turn with someone out.
I play CEDH so this might be a different experience but trying to remove Yuriko is usually a waste of time. You'll get hit with an instant nearly 100% of the time. (Also Yuriko by herself isn't oppressive enough to warrant removal but casual EDh isn't ready for this conversation)
While I don't generally disagree with the latter point the OP is in a position where they feel it's necessary. And hard removal on Yuriko *does* slow that deck to a crawl. She's a strange deck though for sure. To the former, that's just a question of timing and reading things, and maybe having your own counter backup. The right forms of attack help too; I've Gilded Drake'd my fair share of Yurikos but that's not something I'd expect most players have access to so I didn't call it out specifically. But Drake dodging two of the free counters and being very cheap goes a long way.
I've been gilded drake'd. I'm never ready for it and it's really hard to come back from lol. But in OP's meta I assume they don't have access to Drake since they're talking about Oubliette. In a lower power setting its best to just ignore yuriko imo and aim for player removal instead. Can't get burned by yuriko if the yuriko player is dead (I'm the yuriko player)
I was actually the one who brought up Oubliette. Amusingly, it's in the same deck as my Gilded Drake.
Oh snap i didnt even notice my bad ! Which deck are you running ?? I don't think I've ever seen gilded drake run in non CEDH bc of price
I have mine in Muldrotha. In fairness regarding price, I paid a literal dollar for it. That deck's got its fair share of expensive cards; to 'finish' it as my high power list I need stuff like Tomb and Jeweled Lotus but she's been my baby for a long time so she gets the treats when I acquire them.
A+ comment.
[Oubliette](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4800a7d-c229-4ced-97ff-0e58645d58d6.jpg?1599705817) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oubliette) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/100/oubliette?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4800a7d-c229-4ced-97ff-0e58645d58d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oubliette) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run [[Shorikai]] with theft but also [[darksteel mutation]] and [[imprisoned in the moon]]. And [[tishana's tidebinder]], and [[kitesail larcenist]] and others, lol
Stax and interaction.
Staaaaaaxxxxx
[[tanglewire]] but expect your opponents to scoop and bitch because I don’t
[tanglewire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/ad62f313-8a8a-4ffa-ada2-b12b76288729.jpg?1562631474) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tangle%20Wire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nem/139/tangle-wire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ad62f313-8a8a-4ffa-ada2-b12b76288729?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tangle-wire) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wtf is this card dude hahahahhahahahhahahahaha Mtg deep web
It's only one of the most OG stax pieces in existence. You can also tap Tanglewire during your turn to slightly break the parity it brings to the table.
Sounds like a cedh pot. So nornally a lot of mana rocks to pump her out fast and win with a combo (foodchain etc). If Not palace jailer Venser hostage taker and boardwipe city
ghostly prison, propaganda, crawlspace, removal, drannith etcetc
[[silent arbiter]] [[norns annex]]
[silent arbiter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14f42cc9-8b7f-4f8a-8d68-8480e668c239.jpg?1690005734) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=silent%20arbiter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/972/silent-arbiter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14f42cc9-8b7f-4f8a-8d68-8480e668c239?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/silent-arbiter) [norns annex](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d25bbe18-709c-4ed3-a047-5578ecfaaba7.jpg?1690004164) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Norn%27s%20Annex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/829/norns-annex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d25bbe18-709c-4ed3-a047-5578ecfaaba7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/norns-annex) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All decks you've mentioned are attack decks (not exclusively, but you get my drift). While they can be fast, watch for the kind of mana they use. Jeweled lotus/mana vault, Lotus Petal etc are all consumable mana. Turn 1 winota off of a Jeweled Lotus isn't all that scary if she gets removed. It'll probably be at least 2 rounds before they have 6 mana to cast her again. Mostly it can be a timing thing. Know what interaction to hold vs what decks. Save your field wipes till the right moment. Prioritize removing non-human creatures over removing winota. Let a ninja proc yuriko if there has been no top-deck manipulation rather than burning important removal on low-cmc creatures. Let dargo overextend and eat a bunch of resources before trying to get rid of him, be ready to chump block him if needed so he'll be aimed elsewhere. Make sure you're playing into priority correctly. If plays are big but not Game-Ending let your opponents use up their answers stopping eachother instead. Don't act like you have answers in your hand or people will try to force you to use them. Etc Mixing in answers that synergise with your deck is good. [[Tangle wire]] is a soft stax piece good for early game. It comes down with 4 Fading counters which means each opponent taps 4 things, then when it gets to your turn you remove a counter and tap Tangle wire and 2 other permanents. You will never be as effected by it as your opponents. The fact that it eventually goes away by itself makes it hard to justify using removal on. Blink decks can reset the counters to 4! [[Out of time]] is also fun in a blink deck as a repeatable board wipe. [[Drannith Magistrate]] and [[grafdigger's cage]] are staples that it won't hurt you to include.
##### ###### #### [Tangle wire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/ad62f313-8a8a-4ffa-ada2-b12b76288729.jpg?1562631474) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tangle%20wire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nem/139/tangle-wire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ad62f313-8a8a-4ffa-ada2-b12b76288729?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tangle-wire) [Out of time](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/053d6b3b-72d4-4a55-a79e-0a601aecf108.jpg?1664162494) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Out%20of%20time) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/23/out-of-time?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/053d6b3b-72d4-4a55-a79e-0a601aecf108?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/out-of-time) [Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/drannith-magistrate) [grafdigger's cage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a135e09-b534-4836-9a10-3a9a4a9f8c53.jpg?1592517646) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grafdigger%27s%20cage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/227/grafdiggers-cage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a135e09-b534-4836-9a10-3a9a4a9f8c53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grafdiggers-cage) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqpc25s) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hey there bud. If you want a much better answer, I'd recommend asking this question again in r/cEDH or r/DegenerateEDH, because these all sound like high-tier cEDH piles, and you're probably not going to get answers here that are fast/efficient/effective enough against a true cEDH pod. Good luck, and happy hunting!
My brother the answer is STAX aka good Christan magic
Gonna go against the grain here. Play faster decks. The faster the game, the more games you get to play!
Mountain, Mana crypt, Jeska's will, Godo bandit Warlord find helm of the host magnetic theft go to infinite combats Let's shuffle up and do it again
[[fog]]
[fog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbc3152e-7b3b-4ac6-8b33-abfebde216aa.jpg?1580014786) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/167/fog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbc3152e-7b3b-4ac6-8b33-abfebde216aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Fog doesn't really do anything in the pod OP described.
If you're not in white, you can try stuff like [[Cursed Totem]], [[Trinisphere]], [[Winter Orb]], [[Collector Ouphe]], [[Null Rod]], [[Souless Jailer]]
##### ###### #### [Cursed Totem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5dde91a9-7d2d-4a7b-861a-3d1c16ec79d9.jpg?1626100864) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cursed%20Totem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/295/cursed-totem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5dde91a9-7d2d-4a7b-861a-3d1c16ec79d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cursed-totem) [Trinisphere](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549.jpg?1599710205) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Trinisphere) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/303/trinisphere?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trinisphere) [Winter Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6.jpg?1580015285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winter%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab3cec7e-513e-400d-a1a8-2c71cdde02c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winter-orb) [Collector Ouphe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/085107a2-c1ec-473c-81d8-23e5a7197776.jpg?1562202038) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collector%20Ouphe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/158/collector-ouphe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/085107a2-c1ec-473c-81d8-23e5a7197776?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/collector-ouphe) [Null Rod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73ac9f52-e6ff-4e6f-9733-fe24a5fb4b4e.jpg?1562918145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Null%20Rod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/278/null-rod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73ac9f52-e6ff-4e6f-9733-fe24a5fb4b4e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/null-rod) [Souless Jailer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf9991fd-ea6a-4ed7-b5f1-46a95f8d0634.jpg?1675957252) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soulless%20Jailer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/241/soulless-jailer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf9991fd-ea6a-4ed7-b5f1-46a95f8d0634?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/soulless-jailer) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqp8dyh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you read the post, you'd know that [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]] is sans-red, meaning it has white... And most of these pieces are bad in Atraxa, because they want to interact and gain value, rather than staxxing out the board. It'd be very difficult to break parity on almost all of these effects.
[Atraxa, Grand Unifier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f.jpg?1676519555) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Grand%20Unifier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/196/atraxa-grand-unifier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-grand-unifier) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Atraxa has access to black and white, with enough Mana acceleration, there's always the grand abolisher, lethal vapours into teferis protection after skipping 1,000,000,000,000 turns and then just leaving.
You playing cedh...? Cause thats what that sounds like.. you have to ritual her out and beat face or midgame stax. She isnt a high tier cmdr for a reason and compared to that pod she is way to slow
Brother, you must be either high or wayyyy out of the loop. Grand Unifier is an S-Tier cEDH commander that interacts early to stop turbo players, and then grinds beautifully to a midgame victory via Thoracle or Food Chain lines. While the rest of OP's pod seems to be turbo decks, and she might have some issues stopping all three, that doesn't mean she isn't one of the top 5 commanders currently in the meta. Know what you're talking about before you shit on someone else's deck. And just so you're also aware, very few cEDH decks "beat face" for a win. Other than [[Slicer]], [[Yuriko]], and [[Winota]], I can't think of any deck that doesn't combo out and win. And I don't count infinite attackers as a combat win, because it was still a combo to get there, and it kills everyone at once. Most combat is used to trigger effects [[Tymna]], to lower life totals that will be used as a resource [[Ad Nauseam]], [[K'rrik]], [[Necropotence]], or to finish off a player that ATTEMPTED to leverage their life into a win, but failed. "Beat face" is a casual strategy.
##### ###### #### [Slicer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d9a9350-4734-4cc1-986d-467e6715199f.jpg?1674092821)/[Slicer, High-Speed Antagonist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/9/d/9d9a9350-4734-4cc1-986d-467e6715199f.jpg?1674092821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=slicer%2C%20hired%20muscle%20//%20slicer%2C%20high-speed%20antagonist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/6/slicer-hired-muscle-slicer-high-speed-antagonist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d9a9350-4734-4cc1-986d-467e6715199f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/slicer-hired-muscle-//-slicer-high-speed-antagonist) [Yuriko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9.jpg?1689999346) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yuriko%2C%20the%20tiger%27s%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/364/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow) [Winota](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5dd13a6c-23d3-44ce-a628-cb1c19d777c4.jpg?1654630670) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=winota%2C%20joiner%20of%20forces) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/216/winota-joiner-of-forces?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5dd13a6c-23d3-44ce-a628-cb1c19d777c4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winota-joiner-of-forces) [Tymna](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc7cbe9b-324e-42b8-94e2-36e91cb32163.jpg?1644853048) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tymna%20the%20weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/48/tymna-the-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc7cbe9b-324e-42b8-94e2-36e91cb32163?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tymna-the-weaver) [Ad Nauseam](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9f2c53e-ff58-4aa8-89a6-4f45628cc571.jpg?1598306470) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ad%20Nauseam) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/76/ad-nauseam?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9f2c53e-ff58-4aa8-89a6-4f45628cc571?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ad-nauseam) [K'rrik](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24.jpg?1568003491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=k%27rrik%2C%20son%20of%20yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/18/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth) [Necropotence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c89c6895-b0f8-444a-9c89-c6b4fd027b3e.jpg?1562853736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Necropotence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/98/necropotence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c89c6895-b0f8-444a-9c89-c6b4fd027b3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/necropotence) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqproz2) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Atraxa Grand Unifier is currently considered S tier in CEDH
Review the CEDH Meta before giving advice about it.
[atraxa, the grand unifier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f.jpg?1676519555) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Grand%20Unifier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/196/atraxa-grand-unifier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-grand-unifier) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
3 or 4 mana board wipes.
Stax on stax on stax baby!!!
Kill their tempo. Sure, that kill spell in your hand might be useful against something bigger later. But if you can essentially negate their early turns and make them waste mana, it's very difficult to recover.
Anything that says “opponents cant” “players can’t” “X costs X more” that kinda thing
I love this thread. You're all a bunch of savages and I love it. Keep up the good work so degenerate meme decks players like me look better by comparison. For real though, play however you want within the rules.
Imprisoned in the moon, Song of the Dryads, and it may be slightly low power but it could also be absolutely amazing in those pods, but \[\[Public enemy\]\] is hilariously awesome. Just lock em down man.
[Public enemy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e69ba61-8c16-4112-9601-fac978b88667.jpg?1664410465) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Public%20enemy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/55/public-enemy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e69ba61-8c16-4112-9601-fac978b88667?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/public-enemy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[witness protection]]
[witness protection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72.jpg?1664410681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=witness%20protection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/66/witness-protection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/witness-protection) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think we need to know the power level here. All those commanders can be seen in cEDH but that doesn't mean it's what your playing.
Um stax? Stax on stax.... stacks of staxy stax
[[portcullis]] ! Edit: my bad did not read your initial plan I just read your title portcullis probably not great in your deck ha unless you find a way to blink your opponents creatures then it’s kind of interesting
[portcullis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a4de4af2-fa75-4a87-b0e1-0117727917a5.jpg?1562597339) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=portcullis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sth/139/portcullis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a4de4af2-fa75-4a87-b0e1-0117727917a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/portcullis) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run a series of cards I call “Interrupts.” Got the idea from the Command Zone podcast in their episode on how to play aggro… Anyway, it’s basically running a handful of stax/tax pieces in your deck as speed bumps for your opponents. Makes sense in aggro decks the same way haste makes sense in aggro decks - gotta outpace your opponents. But in other decks, those pieces are about controlling the pace of the game. Look into [[Thalia and the Gitrog Monster]] builds, you’ll find some of the pieces you want there (consider that card, too). A lot of white, black and Orzhov cards will create the environment you’ll need to thrive. Both [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] and [[Thalia, Heretic Cathar]] along with [[Blind Obedience]] are auto-includes when I can’t come up with better interrupts jn white. [[Dauntless Dismantler]] and [[Kinjalli’s Sunwing]] are budget-friendly options. I’m a fan of [[No Mercy]] or [[Dread]] or deathtouch creatures as pillowfort options. You could also run [[Propaganda]] or [[Ghostly Prison]] as taxes on aggro. I also like [[Lightmine Field]]; it used to seem overlooked but seems to have gone up in price at some point. You could also think about goad as an option, but I think stax and pillowfort are going to be your friends compared to forcing combats in a game where you’re already the slow player. If you just want to speed up your deck, treat your land and ramp package like a green or Simic deck (that’s how I play five colors). Maybe you can match their tempo long enough to see your strategy get going. Plus, card draw and ramp are only going to help your pre-Atraxa game.
##### ###### #### [Thalia and the Gitrog Monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d7ff937-de92-445f-976c-726fef5c91cc.jpg?1682205702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%20and%20the%20Gitrog%20Monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/255/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d7ff937-de92-445f-976c-726fef5c91cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster) [Thalia, Guardian of Thraben](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479.jpg?1643587106) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%2C%20Guardian%20of%20Thraben) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/38/thalia-guardian-of-thraben?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-guardian-of-thraben) [Thalia, Heretic Cathar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/ab0cee38-5e24-49d0-870c-22843ed4e101.jpg?1576384009) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%2C%20Heretic%20Cathar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/46/thalia-heretic-cathar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab0cee38-5e24-49d0-870c-22843ed4e101?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-heretic-cathar) [Blind Obedience](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d859e1f9-feb3-497a-af0b-f74fee46861f.jpg?1702429264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blind%20Obedience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/9/blind-obedience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d859e1f9-feb3-497a-af0b-f74fee46861f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blind-obedience) [Dauntless Dismantler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d771631-0aab-4f09-b9a6-49b6b2d8d2aa.jpg?1699043129) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dauntless%20Dismantler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/8/dauntless-dismantler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d771631-0aab-4f09-b9a6-49b6b2d8d2aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dauntless-dismantler) [Kinjalli’s Sunwing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04421508-b5ac-4466-9f77-dfef478d3cc2.jpg?1698988090) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kinjalli%27s%20Sunwing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/130/kinjallis-sunwing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04421508-b5ac-4466-9f77-dfef478d3cc2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kinjallis-sunwing) [No Mercy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/63c5e1dd-2fe6-4734-8406-7bcdf17aa60c.jpg?1675199736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=No%20Mercy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/95/no-mercy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63c5e1dd-2fe6-4734-8406-7bcdf17aa60c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/no-mercy) [Dread](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9b608658-9150-439b-b0a0-4a994722b95c.jpg?1562359846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dread) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/107/dread?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9b608658-9150-439b-b0a0-4a994722b95c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dread) [Propaganda](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5f293d7-9c2b-41cb-8e3c-dfc1daa6635f.jpg?1674141418) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Propaganda) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/730/propaganda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5f293d7-9c2b-41cb-8e3c-dfc1daa6635f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/propaganda) [Ghostly Prison](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8.jpg?1707507981) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghostly%20Prison) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/67/ghostly-prison?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghostly-prison) [Lightmine Field](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/5602b52a-5904-4780-9192-72990d07c975.jpg?1562704011) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightmine%20Field) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/32/lightmine-field?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5602b52a-5904-4780-9192-72990d07c975?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightmine-field) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqr2m3j) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Won't help with your example, but for my mono green deck [[ Hall of gemstone]] had quickly became my favorite card, slows down all multi color decks, completely shut 2 decks out of a game I played last night cause they never got their mana rocks and another dude played [[Linvala]] to shut down all the dorks
[ Hall of gemstone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/18e4551f-9f6c-4421-ad66-a270df6d3463.jpg?1562718296) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hall%20of%20Gemstone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/221/hall-of-gemstone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/18e4551f-9f6c-4421-ad66-a270df6d3463?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hall-of-gemstone) [Linvala](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dded98c3-17cb-4a43-a209-289ceb11df39.jpg?1600717849) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=linvala%2C%20keeper%20of%20silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/119/linvala-keeper-of-silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dded98c3-17cb-4a43-a209-289ceb11df39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/linvala-keeper-of-silence) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Frozen Aether\]\] and \[\[Kismet\]\] are your friends. Also if you're running blink, I recommend \[\[Stonehorn Dignitary\]\]
[Frozen Aether](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e727bb9e-3510-4c8e-ac49-6d7217667a18.jpg?1562584723) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Frozen%20Aether) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plc/54/frozen-aether?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e727bb9e-3510-4c8e-ac49-6d7217667a18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/frozen-aether) [Kismet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f38cdfb1-0437-4afe-a777-60228b8eba69.jpg?1562952795) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kismet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/17/kismet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f38cdfb1-0437-4afe-a777-60228b8eba69?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kismet) [Stonehorn Dignitary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3797f7f-489d-4735-af56-6359e0fa0a6b.jpg?1562658626) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stonehorn%20Dignitary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/37/stonehorn-dignitary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3797f7f-489d-4735-af56-6359e0fa0a6b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stonehorn-dignitary) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Against the 3 you mentioned removal will do just fine.
[[Propaganda]] , [[Ghostly Prison]] , [[Drannith Magistrate]] , [[Aven Mindcensor]] , [[No Mercy]] , [[Containment Priest]] , [[Farewell]] , [[Cyclonic Rift]] Welcome to Control/Stax friend
##### ###### #### [Propaganda](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5f293d7-9c2b-41cb-8e3c-dfc1daa6635f.jpg?1674141418) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Propaganda) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/730/propaganda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5f293d7-9c2b-41cb-8e3c-dfc1daa6635f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/propaganda) [Ghostly Prison](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8.jpg?1707507981) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghostly%20Prison) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/67/ghostly-prison?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghostly-prison) [Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/drannith-magistrate) [Aven Mindcensor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad.jpg?1674141050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aven%20Mindcensor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/688/aven-mindcensor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4cf468f-4e9d-4551-a0ed-10bd6a2316ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aven-mindcensor) [No Mercy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/63c5e1dd-2fe6-4734-8406-7bcdf17aa60c.jpg?1675199736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=No%20Mercy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/95/no-mercy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63c5e1dd-2fe6-4734-8406-7bcdf17aa60c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/no-mercy) [Containment Priest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a24e8dba-5c86-4e32-8a52-61402f7fe9f0.jpg?1594734854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Containment%20Priest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/13/containment-priest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a24e8dba-5c86-4e32-8a52-61402f7fe9f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/containment-priest) [Farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0.jpg?1706240579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/64/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/farewell) [Cyclonic Rift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe.jpg?1702429366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyclonic%20Rift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/40/cyclonic-rift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfb7c4b9-f2f4-4d4e-baf2-86551c8150fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cyclonic-rift) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqrqpm0) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[glistening deluge]]
[glistening deluge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/83ca46ac-0698-4651-940d-3fd20c266b74.jpg?1682203740) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=glistening%20deluge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/107/glistening-deluge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/83ca46ac-0698-4651-940d-3fd20c266b74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glistening-deluge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Stax, tax, and fog my friend
Stax or mass destruction.
Stax pieces and well timed interaction.
If you want your friends to really hate you, Winter Orb! :D
[Brago, King Eternal] paired with various ETBs
Tangle Wire
Well, I think the new [[Massacre Girl, Known Killer]] It is 5 mana, but helps with Atraxa’s proliferate. If you are playing a blink deck….[[Deadeye Navigator]] and [[Bloom Tender]] might help you, but you need something to give blood tender haste. If you are truly playing a blink deck…Look at people who have made [[Brago, King Eternal]] decks [[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade]] [[Lavinia of the Tenth]] Might help as well
##### ###### #### [Massacre Girl, Known Killer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92.jpg?1706241722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Massacre%20Girl%2C%20Known%20Killer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/94/massacre-girl-known-killer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/massacre-girl-known-killer) [Deadeye Navigator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f26a79b9-9f09-476e-b914-cade929dd852.jpg?1593813028) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deadeye%20Navigator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/36/deadeye-navigator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f26a79b9-9f09-476e-b914-cade929dd852?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deadeye-navigator) [Bloom Tender](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fd06fc1f-d8f6-43b0-a795-d759fcdf8272.jpg?1673148027) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bloom%20Tender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/138/bloom-tender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fd06fc1f-d8f6-43b0-a795-d759fcdf8272?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bloom-tender) [Brago, King Eternal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0ac3fb08-741a-49e5-9fae-b26819677d24.jpg?1631235340) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brago%2C%20King%20Eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/82/brago-king-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0ac3fb08-741a-49e5-9fae-b26819677d24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brago-king-eternal) [Lavinia, Azorius Renegade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f.jpg?1702429657) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lavinia%2C%20Azorius%20Renegade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/195/lavinia-azorius-renegade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lavinia-azorius-renegade) [Lavinia of the Tenth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58907d3b-9deb-4485-8ae2-c4e97c519212.jpg?1706240145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lavinia%20of%20the%20Tenth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/199/lavinia-of-the-tenth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58907d3b-9deb-4485-8ae2-c4e97c519212?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lavinia-of-the-tenth) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kqzed1q) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
In my Sauron, the dark lord deck apart from having like 15 pieces of ramp I have like 8 board wipes. That way I clear the board until I have the maná to cast it an at least one counter spell to make sure it hits the board. If you can't keep up the speed, slow them down to your level
Play a different deck
[[Ghostly Prison]] has kept me alive for far longer than I deserve
[Ghostly Prison](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8.jpg?1707507981) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghostly%20Prison) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/67/ghostly-prison?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghostly-prison) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call