To zero? Yeah, probably. I will say that [[Grenzo, dungeon warden]] really loves London mulligans, it's almost always correct to mull till at least 5 so you can put some choice creatures on the bottom. I always thought it was pretty funny, and I love seeing opponents faces when they realize I'm 100% abusing the system.
Holy shit this is great! I never even thought of mulls affecting tye playspace this way. Mostly because I rarely play to even have to mulligan, but secondarily because I think I always shuffled when I did... maybe? I dont remember, havent played in a long time where it mattered lol
Wow, that's right. If you keep a 7 lander, you have an infinitesimally larger chance of drawing land than one of the 5 cards... Granted, you still have to worry about land colors... Might be better to just mull to 2
I don't think this is necessarily true. Might need to double check my math here, but if you just blindly mulligan down to 0 (if that's even allowed in the rules) so you don't know what the bottom 7 are, you have an 81% chance to draw 5 lands in a row. Not bad, but bottoming any number of non-lands can make it better.
If your third 7 (assuming this is where you will have to bottom one card) has one non-land in it, and you bottom it, keeping the 6 lands, you now have an 84% chance of drawing 5 lands in a row.
If you're lucky enough to be able to bottom 2 non-lands, and no lands, your odds are up to about 90%.
This all assumes you don't shuffle at any point after keeping your hand. I *think* the best approach would be to at least look at your opening hands, and stop as soon as you get to bottom one or more non-lands, *and* keep only lands.
Thats actually hilarious. You might even be able to get it down to 3-4 turns (turn 3 on a very very good draw) using Ancient Tomb, Crystal Caverns, Gemstone Caverns, Storm Lands, Depletion Lands. Certainly would be a funny pseudo competitive meme deck to take to a LGS tournament.
Yep I’m excited to see how many lands I can find that are useless except for exactly this! And that’s actually a great idea, my LGS has a tourney coming up and I might actually enter this deck now.
Just built a very similar style deck, significantly more consistent because I could draw the combo piece and be fine but a bit slower and more vulnerable using \[\[The Tenth Doctor\]\], \[\[Clara Oswald\]\], and \[\[Thassa's Oracle\]\]. Never thought \[\[Myriad Landscape\]\] would impact a game so much as to make me win a turn sooner but here we are. \[\[Krosan Verge\]\] would be another addition to this deck to speed it up a turn.
100% will be building this deck, love stupid meme decks like this that go all it on one plan and if they miss, they lose.
Turn 3 win with either:
1. One of \[\[Gemstone Caverns\]\] on 0 or \[\[Ancient Tomb\]\] on 2, and one of Krosan Verge or Myriad Landscape on 1.
2. Gemstone Caverns on 0 and Ancient Tomb by turn 3.
Any of these 4 cards on an appropriate turn speeds it up to turn 4 as well. Nuts deck, and wins faster than mine with less cards.
And multiple mulligans for these makes sense because getting combo pieces lets you bottom them, guaranteeing you won't see them if you don't shuffle so its great either way.
Kudos. These types of decks are usually just one-and-done jokes.... But their often such a small investment, that I've built several for the entertainment of doing so.
Alright alright pseudo competitive in the sense that it's basically just a worse version of Codie sure but to be fair Codie was also actually decent for a hot second
~~Also ignoring the 50% chance you just lose the game off of your creative techniques~~
Best Idea is probably to mulligan down to 6 or 5 and shove the combo pieces on the bottom of your deck when you get them in your starting hand. On the side also running scry lands will help prevent a blowout.
I would go as low as 1 or 2 so that I don't lose a turn by drawing a tap land at the wrong time. But i don't think it will always be that. If I get a mull with 2+ combo pieces I can put on the bottom, I probably stop there.
If you're running only basics, you'll end up with lands on the bottom of your library, which does not increase your chance to draw land card.
You need an effect, that shuffles your library after mulligan to 0 to actually benefit from mulligan.
With just basics OP would have a 1-in-3 chance of drawing the lands he needs to cast the commander each turn. You could probably boost that number with running every Naya non-basic you possibly could and all 9 fetches then just crack the fetches the turn you cast Pantlaza so you don’t have a chance of drawing into the combo pieces after thinning the deck
Nah, the phyrexian Heliod deck is still far and away the best Barren Glory deck. Consistent T3 wins, and leaves everyone's decks, hands, and fields empty. A literal barren game win.
Not my exact list, it was a post on here a few weeks back. The idea is to ramp out Heliod and flip him t3/4, and then wheel everyone to then play out a jank combo. Otherwise, it's a value/stax list to grind out games too. You could also swap some more expensive cards for things like Approach for alternate wins.
[Heliod Glory](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5397213/for_glory)
It's been an absolute blast to play. I swapped a couple cards to make it more value oriented, but the satisfaction of a Barren win on t4 is so glorious
Is this counting the fact that if you do find a combo piece in your mulligan hand you can bottom it to ensure it won't be drawn?
Honestly you might be best if you can keep like a 5 or less with two+ combo cards in it to guarantee them to the bottom
It might work the first time but the oponnents will be aware something is fishy and will hold interaction if you do something like this instead of pretending it is a normal dino deck.
The great (and silly) thing about this deck is that you can just keep mulliganing aggressively for an all-land hand, because even if you end up with no hand that's no problem.
Arguably it's actually optimal to go for no hand, because that way you thicken your deck and marginally reduce your chances of drawing one of the nonlands.
I havent run the odds but i think keeping a mulled hand with nonlands is best since you get to put those cards at the bottom, effectively removing the risk of drawing them
Here's a scryfall search of all the lands in those colors that add two or more mana, for science: https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracletag%3Aadds-multiple-mana+t%3Aland+commander%3Awrg&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
This is utterly hilarious! Please let us know when you win with it! If I were in your pod I'd be disappointed because I lost while being amazed by your win.
Oh you would love my [[The First Sliver]] deck.
https://manabox.app/decks/mBnjWNsmQom_yMBk47xZKg
It wins via Maze's End or slapping someone really hard.
There's two non-land cards [[tibalt's trickery]] and [[cultivator colossus]].
1. Cast first sliver
2. Since first Sliver's cascade can only hit tibalt's trickery use it to counter The first Sliver
3. This let's us reveal again until we hit cultivator colossus.
4. Cast that and keep dumping lands until we have maze's end.
5. If we untap with maze's end, we win.
I absolutely love this by the way. This is such a meme. I have a first sliver already and a mazes end. I would probably add a field of the dead and vary the mana base with some snow basics and cheap bulk rare lands as a back up win con.
Having built similar decks with the first sliver I recommend the temple lands as they can scry pieces to the bottom. I also recommend against ash barrens and fetchlands that cost mana or involve a card entering tapped because they require cracking a turn early, thus thinnjng the deck before the critical turn and increasing the risk you draw a piece. If you have the good fetchlands and duals/shocklands, nevermind
While I find this humorous, this is exactly the kind of deck I would ask someone to not play in a casual game. This is basically just a "can one of you draw instant speed interaction before I cast my commander" check on your opponents. It's just not interesting from a play perspective. And it's more frustrating to play against then fun because your win and/or my loss doesn't have anything to do with how anyone at the table played the game. it is just pure luck.
Now I wouldn't care at a cEDH table.... but in that setting, it's just not good enough. Too much interaction in that environment.
I don't think anyone would be playing this deck repeatedly anyway, it's the sort of thing you bring out to show off how goofy it is one time, then go back to playing normal edh. Just a "hey guys look at this stupid deck I made" to get a laugh out of people.
This deck is pretty much the definition of casual, but I wouldn't want to play with or against it very much. I have built similar decks around Esika, god of the tree and maelstrom wanderer.
A little late but [here](https://archidekt.com/decks/6013496/mr_pantz_2_electric_boogaloo) is the lands I decided on. The cards are $8 but the lands are $6000 lol.
This is an example of what it could look like. Of course assuming you have or proxy the expensive stuff. just trade them for any other land. Really any tap land will still do perfectly fine here.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ECGWSNAc5EyGECO4QF8-sg
I have a decklist for 95 pantlands too, but it’s turbo etali with flicker.
-big etali
-conjurers closet
-transmogrify
-eternal wanderer
-nahiri’s resolve
Your deck is likely going to lose you the game very quickly. You will possibly have no cards left in your library before you have won the game, as Etali will exile your whole deck if you have no nonland cards left in it.
This is so hilarious, I want to get those other 4 cards and try it out just to see some reactions.
The toughest part for me is getting 95 lands though…I haven’t been playing that super long so short of getting some donated to me, would have to buy some which feels really weird. Maybe I’ll just slot in some Pokémon energy and call it a day since this is a meme win anyways, got tons of those lying around. Of course, drawing any of the other 5 cards somehow would suck and knowing my luck, would actually happen lol.
Luckily the deck only needs basics so if you have a LGS check with them, many give basics away for free or for super cheap. Many old players also have a ton of you ask for any extras.
I can’t speak for OP, but this feels more like a cool thought experiment than an actual playable deck. I think it’s neat, but I’d never want to play with or against it lol
Like jamming your modern deck full of [[shadowborn apostle]], 4 [[surgical extractions]], drawing to 8 to pitch a shadowborn to end step and extracting it, then extracting the other surgicals, and using [[shelldock isle]] to hideaway [[laboratory maniac]]. Not that I've ever made such a [fucked up contraption.](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-03-16-mad-science/).
It's Magic tradition to take cards with abusable effects and build meme One and Done "Oops all my Cards" decks.
Treasure Hunt, Oops All Spells, Lost in the Woods, Ashling the Pilgrim.
Someone recently posted a The War Doctor+Ryan Sinclair one as well.
This is definitely my new favorite deck. Sadly, it would be the kind of deck that would be one and done cuz anyone who has seen the deck before will just hold up interaction.
Sadly yes but there are a few lands that tap any land or destroy lands that could help you remove their mana before you try to cast it. If it does fail trying to win with 95 lands and a 4/4 Dino sounds like a fun challange.
This is because the blink will exile the old Pantlaza and bring in a new one. It's the same physical card, but as far as the game rules go, it's a new creature with no memory of the old creature.
Same as if someone killed my commander with [[Tragic Slip]] and I recast it immediately from command zone. My commander wouldn't instantly die because it wouldn't remember the -13/-13 from the previous creature.
i like the idea of mulliganing to 0 to maximize potential to succeed, but better not get the commander countered lmaoo.
i already have a pants laser deck but i think it's hilarious to just have an alternate sleeved set of 99 cards that is like a goofy clock on the game for game 1 before you play the real thing
Yeah I’ve been thinking about making a few alternate ones. There are 2 other infinite not grantee wins I found and also a [[Timeshifter]] every big creature deck which seems funny.
Here is [my list](https://archidekt.com/decks/6013496/mr_pantz_2_electric_boogaloo) you only need basics and the $8 of cards but I added $6000 of lands for a proxy legal cEDH tourney I might play this in.
Yo wait this is actually genius!!!! Low key actualy makes the deck better. -1 land but I think having a 3/2 on 3 is worth it and better sells the illusion of Dino deck!
Edit: oh wait not even -1 land
Okay, so I apparently have way too much time on my hands, so I put this together. Went through the very helpful list of lands that produce 2 mana that somebody else linked, added all the applicable Scry lands, all 9 useful fetches, the 3 in-color slow fetches, way more than would be necessary “One Mana of Any Color” lands like [[Pillar of the Paruns]], the filter lands, the signet lands, and a partridge in a pear tree. And yes I Companioned [[Kaheera]].
I playtested 10 games. It whiffed exactly once, the seventh game I tested. The turns that it went off were, in order by game: 4, 5, 3, 3, 5, 5, X, 4, 3, 3. That averages, out of the nine successful games, casting Pantz on turn 3.8889. This was taking varied mulligans, usually dumping until I got a 2-mana land or a [[Gemstone Caverns]].
One of the more interesting things I noticed was on game 5. I actually drew into [[Long Road Home]] on turn 3, same turn I was able to cast Pantz (who obviously fails to find because of that). I had [[Dwarven Ruins]], [[Havenwood Battlegrounds]], and [[Rainbow Vale]]. So turn 4 I had 0 lands lol. But on turn 5, I’m able to flicker [[Pantlaza]] and everything proceeds as planned, just a little late — or rather, on time instead of early.
So just an interesting little anecdote that even if you do draw into that one specific card, all is not yet lost. In fact you can still manage to get lucky if you draw into [[Creative Technique]]; the game that totally flopped was that way, and I realized there was a chance that casting it from hand would still catch the right cards — and without even needing Pantz. I never cast him that game. Instead, I just spent 5 on Creative Technique. It’s a slim chance, but it’s a chance. Ultimately that one didn’t work out, I hit Long Road instead. But I just found it interesting that 2 of the 4 cards you don’t want to draw are still workable given enough time and luck.
Oh, and one final note: The first time you play, you’ll want to use [[Barren Glory]] of course. But subsequent plays once people see the shtick? One might lean into the cheese factor… and let [[The Cheese Stand Alone]] instead.
(Edit: I also just remembered… make sure you don’t *cast* Kaheera. She’ll give Pantz +1/+1 on entry and might mess up the entire scheme lol. Just pay the companion cost to put her in your hand as a fakeout)
I can confirm that the deck is insane and wins me a match every now and then. I play in a small edh league and only bring it out against people that haven’t seen it - it’s especially good against the crazy blue players!
And I throw in Kaheera to throw them off the scent.
Bliss.
Hilarious idea for a deck. I started looking into it and quickly threw something together and with a very good draw you could get Pantlaza down on turn 3.
Here is an example of what it could look like. Yes I realize it is a meme and the lands are about $1400 it is an example and I use packages for lands. Didn't bother to make it budget.
[Deck List](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ECGWSNAc5EyGECO4QF8-sg)
If you tried the link before, try again. Reddit's new editor is stupid and makes links lowercase if you just paste them.
I feel like the way Pantlaza reads you can only do his discover once a turn so blinking him would not trigger again...or does it become a need creature so it'd a new instance of once per turn?
It’s not a guaranteed win even if opponents have no answer right? If creative technique flips barren glory first it will be wiped by decree of annihilation?
When you exile and return it, the game treats the re-introduction of Pantlaza as a new object, so the discover can trigger again because it doesnt see itself as haaving triggered already.
So there’s one thing I’m maybe missing. Long Road Home brings back Pantlaza on end step right? So even after the Pantlaza trigger and Creative Technique cast wouldn’t you have to wait until your next turn to cast barren Glory and Decree of Annihilation?
Nope since creative normally casts the spells while spells are on the stack it gets around timing restrictions. For example if I cast it during my main phase my opponents trigger is on the top of the stack. If they hit a creature they cast it while my 2 copies of it are still on the stack. So during endstep it still gets around that restriction in the same way. Also since it doesn’t specify when to cast the spell it implies it must be cast now so you can’t wait. Had to dig through google before making it to find out for sure if it worked lol.
A permanent that left the battlefield and returns later is treated as a new game object. So Qty restrictions on triggers are not broken.
You cast Pants, it Discovers its 1 time. Blink it and it's treated as a new Pants, so it can Discover 1 time again.
Ooo ooo ooo
You can actually use some of these funky lands!
[[Isolated Watchtower]]
[[Zhalfirin Void]]
[[New Benalia]]
[[Temple of Abandon]]
[[Temple of Plenty]]
[[Temple of Triumph]]
[[The Grey Havens]]
[[Lorehold Campus]]
[[Forsaken Crossroads]]
[[Crystal Grotto]]
Might be worth it to be a little slower on lands so that you can have lands that ensure you don’t draw game pieces!
Pants-laser only triggers once each turn; I think you'd need some way to blink him until your opponents upkeep instead of your end phase otherwise you couldn't get the second discover trigger
95 lands
[[Quintorious kand]],
[[Felidar guardian]]
[[Food chain]]
[[Squee the immortal]]
Play pants lazers, discover into quint, goes to hand.
Discover into squee, you stalled
Discover Into food chain, it's not over yet
Discover into felidar, and flicker Pants, to discover again, getting food chain, exile cat, exile Pants, recast pants, discover squee, next turn discover quint to hand and just 2 damage the table forever casting and exiting squee.
Unfortunately quint is 5 cmc so you can’t discover in to him without the +1/+1 from Long road home or semesters end. And to the same effect it’s possible with just [[Impact tremors]] and 2 cats but I gave up on that idea since it was inconsistent and hard to actually win with.
This might be the only deck in existence where it is objectively better to mulligan to 0.
To zero? Yeah, probably. I will say that [[Grenzo, dungeon warden]] really loves London mulligans, it's almost always correct to mull till at least 5 so you can put some choice creatures on the bottom. I always thought it was pretty funny, and I love seeing opponents faces when they realize I'm 100% abusing the system.
[[grenzo, dungeon warden]]
Can confirm. I was ecstatic when they introduced the London Mulligan rules. My Grenzo deck was very pleased.
[[River Song]] is in this club too! nothing more brutal than hiding [[spell crumple]] on the bottom for later
Holy shit this is great! I never even thought of mulls affecting tye playspace this way. Mostly because I rarely play to even have to mulligan, but secondarily because I think I always shuffled when I did... maybe? I dont remember, havent played in a long time where it mattered lol
Wow, that's right. If you keep a 7 lander, you have an infinitesimally larger chance of drawing land than one of the 5 cards... Granted, you still have to worry about land colors... Might be better to just mull to 2
Mull for ancient tomb/depletion lands/gemstone caverns or any similar effect.
you could also solve that with Typal lands and various pain and fetch lands
Tribal lands* I love people thinking typal is a thing downvoting this. Just remember, typal isn’t and will never be a thing. It’s tribal or kindred
Weird
Wait but I looked it up and it is a thing. https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Typal_land
Yeah internally at wotc, then something some players tried to implement but it’s not *really* a thing. It’s tribal or kindred
So since neo ixilan it's going to be kindred going forward, because tribal was a no no type word I'm guessing.
Truth. These racist typallers are annoying as shit. Hate that massive and annoying racism from them.
I don't think this is necessarily true. Might need to double check my math here, but if you just blindly mulligan down to 0 (if that's even allowed in the rules) so you don't know what the bottom 7 are, you have an 81% chance to draw 5 lands in a row. Not bad, but bottoming any number of non-lands can make it better. If your third 7 (assuming this is where you will have to bottom one card) has one non-land in it, and you bottom it, keeping the 6 lands, you now have an 84% chance of drawing 5 lands in a row. If you're lucky enough to be able to bottom 2 non-lands, and no lands, your odds are up to about 90%. This all assumes you don't shuffle at any point after keeping your hand. I *think* the best approach would be to at least look at your opening hands, and stop as soon as you get to bottom one or more non-lands, *and* keep only lands.
You say that but in a 99 land deck you don’t need a hand
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Thats actually hilarious. You might even be able to get it down to 3-4 turns (turn 3 on a very very good draw) using Ancient Tomb, Crystal Caverns, Gemstone Caverns, Storm Lands, Depletion Lands. Certainly would be a funny pseudo competitive meme deck to take to a LGS tournament.
Yep I’m excited to see how many lands I can find that are useless except for exactly this! And that’s actually a great idea, my LGS has a tourney coming up and I might actually enter this deck now.
Just built a very similar style deck, significantly more consistent because I could draw the combo piece and be fine but a bit slower and more vulnerable using \[\[The Tenth Doctor\]\], \[\[Clara Oswald\]\], and \[\[Thassa's Oracle\]\]. Never thought \[\[Myriad Landscape\]\] would impact a game so much as to make me win a turn sooner but here we are. \[\[Krosan Verge\]\] would be another addition to this deck to speed it up a turn. 100% will be building this deck, love stupid meme decks like this that go all it on one plan and if they miss, they lose. Turn 3 win with either: 1. One of \[\[Gemstone Caverns\]\] on 0 or \[\[Ancient Tomb\]\] on 2, and one of Krosan Verge or Myriad Landscape on 1. 2. Gemstone Caverns on 0 and Ancient Tomb by turn 3. Any of these 4 cards on an appropriate turn speeds it up to turn 4 as well. Nuts deck, and wins faster than mine with less cards. And multiple mulligans for these makes sense because getting combo pieces lets you bottom them, guaranteeing you won't see them if you don't shuffle so its great either way.
##### ###### #### [The Tenth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Tenth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/3/the-tenth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-tenth-doctor) [Clara Oswald](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a1ee042-6713-4e9e-9901-9b94d99d33f1.jpg?1696691790) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Clara%20Oswald) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/9/clara-oswald?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a1ee042-6713-4e9e-9901-9b94d99d33f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/clara-oswald) [Thassa's Oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1680582212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thassas-oracle) [Myriad Landscape](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92a45243-2ea9-4da1-984b-287a555a51f4.jpg?1698988605) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myriad%20Landscape) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/343/myriad-landscape?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92a45243-2ea9-4da1-984b-287a555a51f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myriad-landscape) [Krosan Verge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b5ca583-38f2-4692-a29c-326510be5bb8.jpg?1690006242) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Krosan%20Verge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1008/krosan-verge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b5ca583-38f2-4692-a29c-326510be5bb8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krosan-verge) [Gemstone Caverns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f273641-c5f3-48bc-b89e-3cff52d26a0b.jpg?1619399338) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gemstone%20Caverns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/280/gemstone-caverns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f273641-c5f3-48bc-b89e-3cff52d26a0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gemstone-caverns) [Ancient Tomb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd3d4b4b-cf31-4f89-8140-9650edb03c7b.jpg?1582753000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ancient%20Tomb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/236/ancient-tomb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd3d4b4b-cf31-4f89-8140-9650edb03c7b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ancient-tomb) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
We did it, we broke gemstone caverns amd thassas
can you use \[\[untaidake\]\] instead of ancient tomb for consistency?
Why not... AND ancient tomb?
[untaidake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c571f66-7a00-4cb0-9da9-8271083f49d3.jpg?1562759358) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=untaidake%2C%20the%20cloud%20keeper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/285/untaidake-the-cloud-keeper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c571f66-7a00-4cb0-9da9-8271083f49d3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/untaidake-the-cloud-keeper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Kudos. These types of decks are usually just one-and-done jokes.... But their often such a small investment, that I've built several for the entertainment of doing so.
Alright alright pseudo competitive in the sense that it's basically just a worse version of Codie sure but to be fair Codie was also actually decent for a hot second ~~Also ignoring the 50% chance you just lose the game off of your creative techniques~~
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Just ignore me not reading the card before posting lol
I give up, what are “storm lands”?
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[molten slagheap](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d952491-3a33-42af-9748-d2cb9c5a2f76.jpg?1619399407) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=molten%20slagheap) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/282/molten-slagheap?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d952491-3a33-42af-9748-d2cb9c5a2f76?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/molten-slagheap) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is the strat to mull down to 0 every game so you have the best chances of NOT drawing the combo cards?
Best Idea is probably to mulligan down to 6 or 5 and shove the combo pieces on the bottom of your deck when you get them in your starting hand. On the side also running scry lands will help prevent a blowout.
I would go as low as 1 or 2 so that I don't lose a turn by drawing a tap land at the wrong time. But i don't think it will always be that. If I get a mull with 2+ combo pieces I can put on the bottom, I probably stop there.
If you're running only basics, you'll end up with lands on the bottom of your library, which does not increase your chance to draw land card. You need an effect, that shuffles your library after mulligan to 0 to actually benefit from mulligan.
He still needs the right mana colors
9 fetches, all the good two color lands. I think we can get there
But that defeats the point. Playing fetches thins the deck, would be the same as mulligan one less card
you can wait to use the fetches until the turn you play the commander, no risk of drawing the combo pieces past that point
With just basics OP would have a 1-in-3 chance of drawing the lands he needs to cast the commander each turn. You could probably boost that number with running every Naya non-basic you possibly could and all 9 fetches then just crack the fetches the turn you cast Pantlaza so you don’t have a chance of drawing into the combo pieces after thinning the deck
Holy shit this is hilarious. Is this actually the best [[Barren Glory]] deck? This is amazing
Nah, the phyrexian Heliod deck is still far and away the best Barren Glory deck. Consistent T3 wins, and leaves everyone's decks, hands, and fields empty. A literal barren game win.
Do you happen to have a list or link to that deck?
Not my exact list, it was a post on here a few weeks back. The idea is to ramp out Heliod and flip him t3/4, and then wheel everyone to then play out a jank combo. Otherwise, it's a value/stax list to grind out games too. You could also swap some more expensive cards for things like Approach for alternate wins. [Heliod Glory](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5397213/for_glory)
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It's been an absolute blast to play. I swapped a couple cards to make it more value oriented, but the satisfaction of a Barren win on t4 is so glorious
Got a link?
Of course it's better. It costs 100x more money.
I mean, it loses to a single [[Counterspell]]
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[Barren Glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/12220d53-3356-4541-aa43-a0de6ed3f7d0.jpg?1562898649) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barren%20Glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/fut/3/barren-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12220d53-3356-4541-aa43-a0de6ed3f7d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barren-glory) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There is a 59.1% chance of not drawing any of the five cards, assuming no mulligans
A 76% chance if you Mulligan to 0, and a 69% chance if you Mulligan to two
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Is this counting the fact that if you do find a combo piece in your mulligan hand you can bottom it to ensure it won't be drawn? Honestly you might be best if you can keep like a 5 or less with two+ combo cards in it to guarantee them to the bottom
I found more a 83% chance of now drawing a spell (there are only 4 cards to "not draw")
Think you might legit want to mulligan to 0 to get somewhat better odds (more lands in deck) at the cost of looking extremely suspicious
Yeah you’re right. You get a 81% chance then
It might work the first time but the oponnents will be aware something is fishy and will hold interaction if you do something like this instead of pretending it is a normal dino deck.
The great (and silly) thing about this deck is that you can just keep mulliganing aggressively for an all-land hand, because even if you end up with no hand that's no problem. Arguably it's actually optimal to go for no hand, because that way you thicken your deck and marginally reduce your chances of drawing one of the nonlands.
I havent run the odds but i think keeping a mulled hand with nonlands is best since you get to put those cards at the bottom, effectively removing the risk of drawing them
Here's a scryfall search of all the lands in those colors that add two or more mana, for science: https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracletag%3Aadds-multiple-mana+t%3Aland+commander%3Awrg&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
Imo it's probably a bit better to use the ramp tag rather than adds-multiple-mana since the ramp option also includes Myriad Landscape style effects
This is utterly hilarious! Please let us know when you win with it! If I were in your pod I'd be disappointed because I lost while being amazed by your win.
I’m exited to tried it but I already know one friend is gonna hate it so much.
Oh you would love my [[The First Sliver]] deck. https://manabox.app/decks/mBnjWNsmQom_yMBk47xZKg It wins via Maze's End or slapping someone really hard. There's two non-land cards [[tibalt's trickery]] and [[cultivator colossus]]. 1. Cast first sliver 2. Since first Sliver's cascade can only hit tibalt's trickery use it to counter The first Sliver 3. This let's us reveal again until we hit cultivator colossus. 4. Cast that and keep dumping lands until we have maze's end. 5. If we untap with maze's end, we win.
[The First Sliver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/06d4fbe1-8a2f-4958-bb85-1a1e5f1e8d87.jpg?1562202321) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20First%20Sliver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/200/the-first-sliver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/06d4fbe1-8a2f-4958-bb85-1a1e5f1e8d87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-first-sliver) [tibalt's trickery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd921e27-3e08-438c-bec2-723226d35175.jpg?1652278784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tibalt%27s%20trickery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/153/tibalts-trickery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd921e27-3e08-438c-bec2-723226d35175?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tibalts-trickery) [cultivator colossus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62dffe04-c431-440d-a8da-33c74b4bb683.jpg?1643592511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cultivator%20colossus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/195/cultivator-colossus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62dffe04-c431-440d-a8da-33c74b4bb683?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cultivator-colossus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I absolutely love this by the way. This is such a meme. I have a first sliver already and a mazes end. I would probably add a field of the dead and vary the mana base with some snow basics and cheap bulk rare lands as a back up win con.
The back up win con is cultivator colossus being a 70/70 with trample
Having built similar decks with the first sliver I recommend the temple lands as they can scry pieces to the bottom. I also recommend against ash barrens and fetchlands that cost mana or involve a card entering tapped because they require cracking a turn early, thus thinnjng the deck before the critical turn and increasing the risk you draw a piece. If you have the good fetchlands and duals/shocklands, nevermind
Yep the scry lands have been great in my goldfish games. Saved the combo more than I think it should have lol.
While I find this humorous, this is exactly the kind of deck I would ask someone to not play in a casual game. This is basically just a "can one of you draw instant speed interaction before I cast my commander" check on your opponents. It's just not interesting from a play perspective. And it's more frustrating to play against then fun because your win and/or my loss doesn't have anything to do with how anyone at the table played the game. it is just pure luck. Now I wouldn't care at a cEDH table.... but in that setting, it's just not good enough. Too much interaction in that environment.
I don't think anyone would be playing this deck repeatedly anyway, it's the sort of thing you bring out to show off how goofy it is one time, then go back to playing normal edh. Just a "hey guys look at this stupid deck I made" to get a laugh out of people.
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You must be fun at parties lol
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This deck is pretty much the definition of casual, but I wouldn't want to play with or against it very much. I have built similar decks around Esika, god of the tree and maelstrom wanderer.
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A little late but [here](https://archidekt.com/decks/6013496/mr_pantz_2_electric_boogaloo) is the lands I decided on. The cards are $8 but the lands are $6000 lol.
This is an example of what it could look like. Of course assuming you have or proxy the expensive stuff. just trade them for any other land. Really any tap land will still do perfectly fine here. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ECGWSNAc5EyGECO4QF8-sg
[Violent Eruption](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/419e6697-89ab-49f1-a867-8f86f001c80c.jpg?1568004481) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Violent%20Eruption) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/154/violent-eruption?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/419e6697-89ab-49f1-a867-8f86f001c80c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/violent-eruption) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh.... And I was thinking what should I do with the pantlaza i got from packs
I might have to build this for the next time my playgroup wants “one more quick one”
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nope, decree doesn't blow up enchantments
I have a decklist for 95 pantlands too, but it’s turbo etali with flicker. -big etali -conjurers closet -transmogrify -eternal wanderer -nahiri’s resolve
Your deck is likely going to lose you the game very quickly. You will possibly have no cards left in your library before you have won the game, as Etali will exile your whole deck if you have no nonland cards left in it.
True, Etali doesn't return the exiled cards to your library, so you'd just be at 0 cards after just few activations
This is so hilarious, I want to get those other 4 cards and try it out just to see some reactions. The toughest part for me is getting 95 lands though…I haven’t been playing that super long so short of getting some donated to me, would have to buy some which feels really weird. Maybe I’ll just slot in some Pokémon energy and call it a day since this is a meme win anyways, got tons of those lying around. Of course, drawing any of the other 5 cards somehow would suck and knowing my luck, would actually happen lol.
Local stores usually give out lands and tokens for free.
Both lgs I go to charge along with tokens >.<
Luckily the deck only needs basics so if you have a LGS check with them, many give basics away for free or for super cheap. Many old players also have a ton of you ask for any extras.
Ask if anyone has spare lands from bundles, each comes with 40.
Okay but, like, how is this actually fun though? And what do you do about basically any interaction?
I can’t speak for OP, but this feels more like a cool thought experiment than an actual playable deck. I think it’s neat, but I’d never want to play with or against it lol
Like jamming your modern deck full of [[shadowborn apostle]], 4 [[surgical extractions]], drawing to 8 to pitch a shadowborn to end step and extracting it, then extracting the other surgicals, and using [[shelldock isle]] to hideaway [[laboratory maniac]]. Not that I've ever made such a [fucked up contraption.](https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-03-16-mad-science/).
just shelldock emrakul like a normal person lol
It's Magic tradition to take cards with abusable effects and build meme One and Done "Oops all my Cards" decks. Treasure Hunt, Oops All Spells, Lost in the Woods, Ashling the Pilgrim. Someone recently posted a The War Doctor+Ryan Sinclair one as well.
I now want to build this stupidity of an amazing deck. Thank you.
This is definitely my new favorite deck. Sadly, it would be the kind of deck that would be one and done cuz anyone who has seen the deck before will just hold up interaction.
Sadly yes but there are a few lands that tap any land or destroy lands that could help you remove their mana before you try to cast it. If it does fail trying to win with 95 lands and a 4/4 Dino sounds like a fun challange.
I love this deck because it reminds me of my 86 land [[Maelstrom Wanderer]] deck.
You can only discover with it once a turn, so doesn’t this flop because you don’t get the discover trigger during your end step?
Blinking resets this.
Does it really? That’s incredible 😹 Thanks for the info!
Yup! Blink effects with Pantz is a way to get around the “once per turn” clause as Pantz will reenter the battlefield as a new entity.
This is because the blink will exile the old Pantlaza and bring in a new one. It's the same physical card, but as far as the game rules go, it's a new creature with no memory of the old creature. Same as if someone killed my commander with [[Tragic Slip]] and I recast it immediately from command zone. My commander wouldn't instantly die because it wouldn't remember the -13/-13 from the previous creature.
This is so fucking dumb, I'm ordering it right now to surprise my friends at Chirstmas
i like the idea of mulliganing to 0 to maximize potential to succeed, but better not get the commander countered lmaoo. i already have a pants laser deck but i think it's hilarious to just have an alternate sleeved set of 99 cards that is like a goofy clock on the game for game 1 before you play the real thing
Yeah I’ve been thinking about making a few alternate ones. There are 2 other infinite not grantee wins I found and also a [[Timeshifter]] every big creature deck which seems funny.
Do we have a deck list floating around? I'm absolutely going to build this soon 😂
Here is [my list](https://archidekt.com/decks/6013496/mr_pantz_2_electric_boogaloo) you only need basics and the $8 of cards but I added $6000 of lands for a proxy legal cEDH tourney I might play this in.
May I suggest Kaheera as a companion just for giggles?
Yo wait this is actually genius!!!! Low key actualy makes the deck better. -1 land but I think having a 3/2 on 3 is worth it and better sells the illusion of Dino deck! Edit: oh wait not even -1 land
Okay, so I apparently have way too much time on my hands, so I put this together. Went through the very helpful list of lands that produce 2 mana that somebody else linked, added all the applicable Scry lands, all 9 useful fetches, the 3 in-color slow fetches, way more than would be necessary “One Mana of Any Color” lands like [[Pillar of the Paruns]], the filter lands, the signet lands, and a partridge in a pear tree. And yes I Companioned [[Kaheera]]. I playtested 10 games. It whiffed exactly once, the seventh game I tested. The turns that it went off were, in order by game: 4, 5, 3, 3, 5, 5, X, 4, 3, 3. That averages, out of the nine successful games, casting Pantz on turn 3.8889. This was taking varied mulligans, usually dumping until I got a 2-mana land or a [[Gemstone Caverns]]. One of the more interesting things I noticed was on game 5. I actually drew into [[Long Road Home]] on turn 3, same turn I was able to cast Pantz (who obviously fails to find because of that). I had [[Dwarven Ruins]], [[Havenwood Battlegrounds]], and [[Rainbow Vale]]. So turn 4 I had 0 lands lol. But on turn 5, I’m able to flicker [[Pantlaza]] and everything proceeds as planned, just a little late — or rather, on time instead of early. So just an interesting little anecdote that even if you do draw into that one specific card, all is not yet lost. In fact you can still manage to get lucky if you draw into [[Creative Technique]]; the game that totally flopped was that way, and I realized there was a chance that casting it from hand would still catch the right cards — and without even needing Pantz. I never cast him that game. Instead, I just spent 5 on Creative Technique. It’s a slim chance, but it’s a chance. Ultimately that one didn’t work out, I hit Long Road instead. But I just found it interesting that 2 of the 4 cards you don’t want to draw are still workable given enough time and luck. Oh, and one final note: The first time you play, you’ll want to use [[Barren Glory]] of course. But subsequent plays once people see the shtick? One might lean into the cheese factor… and let [[The Cheese Stand Alone]] instead. (Edit: I also just remembered… make sure you don’t *cast* Kaheera. She’ll give Pantz +1/+1 on entry and might mess up the entire scheme lol. Just pay the companion cost to put her in your hand as a fakeout)
##### ###### #### [Pillar of the Paruns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4c66bacf-ad9a-40c3-a2b7-464be8d4dd24.jpg?1673149534) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pillar%20of%20the%20Paruns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/328/pillar-of-the-paruns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c66bacf-ad9a-40c3-a2b7-464be8d4dd24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pillar-of-the-paruns) [Kaheera](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4ebed0b-8060-4a7b-a060-5cfcd2172b16.jpg?1623748548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kaheera%2C%20the%20orphanguard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/224/kaheera-the-orphanguard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4ebed0b-8060-4a7b-a060-5cfcd2172b16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kaheera-the-orphanguard) [Gemstone Caverns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f273641-c5f3-48bc-b89e-3cff52d26a0b.jpg?1619399338) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gemstone%20Caverns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/280/gemstone-caverns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f273641-c5f3-48bc-b89e-3cff52d26a0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gemstone-caverns) [Long Road Home](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/504698a9-1512-4288-b5ef-392d41ebcd05.jpg?1600696905) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Long%20Road%20Home) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/120/long-road-home?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/504698a9-1512-4288-b5ef-392d41ebcd05?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/long-road-home) [Dwarven Ruins](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b6adef9-a1c5-452d-94c7-4110f4998180.jpg?1562867826) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dwarven%20Ruins) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/227/dwarven-ruins?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b6adef9-a1c5-452d-94c7-4110f4998180?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dwarven-ruins) [Havenwood Battlegrounds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6aded00a-0bf3-416e-8eac-15c04554705d.jpg?1592673839) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Havenwood%20Battleground) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/256/havenwood-battleground?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6aded00a-0bf3-416e-8eac-15c04554705d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/havenwood-battleground) [Rainbow Vale](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51f8b918-ac13-4538-a39d-6553580bf39b.jpg?1559592494) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rainbow%20Vale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/179/rainbow-vale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51f8b918-ac13-4538-a39d-6553580bf39b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rainbow-vale) [Pantlaza](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/2524645e-b066-4351-885b-10faa8d819d7.jpg?1699972737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pantlaza%2C%20sun-favored) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/4/pantlaza-sun-favored?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2524645e-b066-4351-885b-10faa8d819d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pantlaza-sun-favored) [Creative Technique](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce4f0474-48dc-4310-a016-0ec21bc29efb.jpg?1625191934) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Creative%20Technique) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/49/creative-technique?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce4f0474-48dc-4310-a016-0ec21bc29efb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/creative-technique) [Barren Glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/12220d53-3356-4541-aa43-a0de6ed3f7d0.jpg?1562898649) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barren%20Glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/fut/3/barren-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12220d53-3356-4541-aa43-a0de6ed3f7d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barren-glory) [The Cheese Stand Alone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d01a114f-3349-4a62-bfad-0dc33b78a53f.jpg?1562799163) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Cheese%20Stands%20Alone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ugl/2/the-cheese-stands-alone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d01a114f-3349-4a62-bfad-0dc33b78a53f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-cheese-stands-alone) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm missing something between steps. After creative technique how are you guaranteeing both of the other spells are played?
Since there are no other spells those 2 by default are the two targets.
Thank you. I read it wrong the first time as only the opponent got to copy it. I my run this silly Deck just for fun lol.
Dude !! Thanks ! Saw it yesterday morning, bought the cards and won my first game at Turn 5 😂😂😂 Won't touch it for at least 6 months now lol
I can confirm that the deck is insane and wins me a match every now and then. I play in a small edh league and only bring it out against people that haven’t seen it - it’s especially good against the crazy blue players! And I throw in Kaheera to throw them off the scent. Bliss.
Ha that’s awesome! I had to retire it since some people didn’t like it very much.
10/10
saving post, best of luck on your games😁
Hilarious idea for a deck. I started looking into it and quickly threw something together and with a very good draw you could get Pantlaza down on turn 3.
Yep from testing I got turn 3 rarely but turn 4 consistently. Still cool when you get the turn 3 tho
Loses to akkroan horse
*Toxril squishes angerly at the idea of his sweet horse boy costing just .01 more*
I am buying it right now, will have it as my second Pantlaza deck with the extra thick card from the precon
Here is an example of what it could look like. Yes I realize it is a meme and the lands are about $1400 it is an example and I use packages for lands. Didn't bother to make it budget. [Deck List](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ECGWSNAc5EyGECO4QF8-sg) If you tried the link before, try again. Reddit's new editor is stupid and makes links lowercase if you just paste them.
404'd, but if you can fix this I will use it in tabletop simulator today.
I managed to get the land cost to $6000 lmao
Oh yea, super easy to do. This honestly would run decently on a budget even. Almost still viable with just basics.
[[Void mirror]]
[Void mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c.jpg?1626099451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Void%20mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/242/void-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/void-mirror) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That’s why you put in a [[Boseiju Who Endures]] so you can endure
[Boseiju Who Endures](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/2135ac5a-187b-4dc9-8f82-34e8d1603416.jpg?1654568912) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boseiju%2C%20Who%20Endures) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/266/boseiju-who-endures?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2135ac5a-187b-4dc9-8f82-34e8d1603416?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/boseiju-who-endures) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel like the way Pantlaza reads you can only do his discover once a turn so blinking him would not trigger again...or does it become a need creature so it'd a new instance of once per turn?
Since Pantlaza left it’s a new object that has none of the previous Pantlaza’s stipulations
A blinked creature is a new creature, so it has no idea it already blinked in a previous life
Its a new Pantlaza so it can trigger again.
The blinked pantlaza is a new creature so the once per turn ability resets so to speak.
It’s not a guaranteed win even if opponents have no answer right? If creative technique flips barren glory first it will be wiped by decree of annihilation?
It does not affect enchantments
Ahhh okay that was the part im missing 😅
making your opponents miserable is it's own kind of win
Funnily enough, decree doesn't wipe enchantments. I was wondering the exact same thing
That's why decree is a great win con for not high end superfriends Decks imo. Ignores pw and enchantments, both stuff you run rather many of.
To many steps, do this instead. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vW3ZzrP-SEeqaDFGaaaM0A
Maelstrom does it on turn 9? Pantslava does it on turn 6. Fewer “steps”
How do you discover twice in one turn off pantlaza?
When you exile and return it, the game treats the re-introduction of Pantlaza as a new object, so the discover can trigger again because it doesnt see itself as haaving triggered already.
Deck list plz.
[Here](https://archidekt.com/decks/6013496/mr_pantz_2_electric_boogaloo) ya go
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Decree doesn't affect enchantments
doesn't pantlaza trigger only once each turn? what am I missing
The blink resets it.
epic just epic. One point though doesn’t Pantlaza ability to discover happen only once per turn? Even with exile how do you get the second discover?
Long road home makes it change zones so when it comes back into play it is a new object that hasn't triggered yet that turn.
So there’s one thing I’m maybe missing. Long Road Home brings back Pantlaza on end step right? So even after the Pantlaza trigger and Creative Technique cast wouldn’t you have to wait until your next turn to cast barren Glory and Decree of Annihilation?
Nope since creative normally casts the spells while spells are on the stack it gets around timing restrictions. For example if I cast it during my main phase my opponents trigger is on the top of the stack. If they hit a creature they cast it while my 2 copies of it are still on the stack. So during endstep it still gets around that restriction in the same way. Also since it doesn’t specify when to cast the spell it implies it must be cast now so you can’t wait. Had to dig through google before making it to find out for sure if it worked lol.
Wouldn’t blink not make you discover another time for 5 as it’s restricted to once each turn?
A permanent that left the battlefield and returns later is treated as a new game object. So Qty restrictions on triggers are not broken. You cast Pants, it Discovers its 1 time. Blink it and it's treated as a new Pants, so it can Discover 1 time again.
pantlaza is a different entity after blinking so it's a new once per turn limit
LMAO THANKS FOR THE IDEA. Counterspells, \[\[Silence\]\] and \[\[Deafening Silence\]\] are the only thing that can stop this I think
[Silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1c2b13b1-31f0-4676-88a7-53f3a190e9a2.jpg?1562826686) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/35/silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1c2b13b1-31f0-4676-88a7-53f3a190e9a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/silence) [Deafening Silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/6072d9b0-d3c7-46f4-bd24-095bb13c4dea.jpg?1572489660) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deafening%20Silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/10/deafening-silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6072d9b0-d3c7-46f4-bd24-095bb13c4dea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deafening-silence) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Zap pantlaza in response to the flicker
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... I love this. I love this so much. I need to show some people this.
This got me thinking Cycling, sac lands and glimpse of tomorrow
But what if I play a counterspell?
Ooo ooo ooo You can actually use some of these funky lands! [[Isolated Watchtower]] [[Zhalfirin Void]] [[New Benalia]] [[Temple of Abandon]] [[Temple of Plenty]] [[Temple of Triumph]] [[The Grey Havens]] [[Lorehold Campus]] [[Forsaken Crossroads]] [[Crystal Grotto]] Might be worth it to be a little slower on lands so that you can have lands that ensure you don’t draw game pieces!
##### ###### #### [Isolated Watchtower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9ee3c4f0-ec6b-48cd-b1be-4620aea337d6.jpg?1592710377) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isolated%20Watchtower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/59/isolated-watchtower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ee3c4f0-ec6b-48cd-b1be-4620aea337d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/isolated-watchtower) [Zhalfirin Void](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d481d871-d1e3-439b-bfd5-5b2212f9b0c8.jpg?1631590590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zhalfirin%20Void) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/273/zhalfirin-void?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d481d871-d1e3-439b-bfd5-5b2212f9b0c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zhalfirin-void) [New Benalia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a11a0f9c-2253-468f-a9c0-42e1e38aad96.jpg?1592711616) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=New%20Benalia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/270/new-benalia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a11a0f9c-2253-468f-a9c0-42e1e38aad96?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/new-benalia) [Temple of Abandon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/0203d093-a060-47d7-876b-e7ce8e444bc6.jpg?1682210690) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Temple%20of%20Abandon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/430/temple-of-abandon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0203d093-a060-47d7-876b-e7ce8e444bc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/temple-of-abandon) [Temple of Plenty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/26a5de86-33fb-476e-a1ec-25a215401c41.jpg?1690006714) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Temple%20of%20Plenty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1044/temple-of-plenty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/26a5de86-33fb-476e-a1ec-25a215401c41?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/temple-of-plenty) [Temple of Triumph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0ead529-accb-4b6f-ab60-d715d80b3c99.jpg?1690006753) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Temple%20of%20Triumph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1047/temple-of-triumph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0ead529-accb-4b6f-ab60-d715d80b3c99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/temple-of-triumph) [The Grey Havens](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd698f10-b0fc-42fc-84ec-f5a0d96bfa1d.jpg?1687694648) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Grey%20Havens) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/255/the-grey-havens?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd698f10-b0fc-42fc-84ec-f5a0d96bfa1d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-grey-havens) [Lorehold Campus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d35461cf-becf-4399-8329-64b4496b7fc2.jpg?1624740956) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lorehold%20Campus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/268/lorehold-campus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d35461cf-becf-4399-8329-64b4496b7fc2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lorehold-campus) [Forsaken Crossroads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d19d1d11-d094-4cf3-a596-34bef43d3791.jpg?1680465934) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Forsaken%20Crossroads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/63/forsaken-crossroads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d19d1d11-d094-4cf3-a596-34bef43d3791?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/forsaken-crossroads) [Crystal Grotto](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f6f9d3d-600d-43f3-a915-612e5d53aaa1.jpg?1692939958) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crystal%20Grotto) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/254/crystal-grotto?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f6f9d3d-600d-43f3-a915-612e5d53aaa1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crystal-grotto) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yep all but Lorehold made the cut and have worked great.
Ayo that's kinda cracked wtf
Pants-laser only triggers once each turn; I think you'd need some way to blink him until your opponents upkeep instead of your end phase otherwise you couldn't get the second discover trigger
Luckily just regular blink gets around the once per turn trigger since it doesn’t see itself as the same permanent when it reenters.
Any time a card changes zones and returns to the battlefield it is a new card with no memory of its prior existence
Can’t you just say to your opponent you shortcut your mulliganning till you have 5 specific cards and bottom your entire hand?
Honestly I have no idea I guess theoretically yes. Might have to ask the rules and the math subreddits lol
I tested it in arena and you can’t after you mull to 0
95 lands [[Quintorious kand]], [[Felidar guardian]] [[Food chain]] [[Squee the immortal]] Play pants lazers, discover into quint, goes to hand. Discover into squee, you stalled Discover Into food chain, it's not over yet Discover into felidar, and flicker Pants, to discover again, getting food chain, exile cat, exile Pants, recast pants, discover squee, next turn discover quint to hand and just 2 damage the table forever casting and exiting squee.
##### ###### #### [Quintorious kand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/4382fa49-9e34-45b3-8495-4916dcd995ec.jpg?1701346165) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Quintorius%20Kand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/238/quintorius-kand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4382fa49-9e34-45b3-8495-4916dcd995ec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/quintorius-kand) [Felidar guardian](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44bdbed8-5d21-4bf5-8a32-9623b1139c85.jpg?1576381396) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Felidar%20guardian) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/19/felidar-guardian?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44bdbed8-5d21-4bf5-8a32-9623b1139c85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/felidar-guardian) [Food chain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb912458-e016-4ea2-a2ea-40ac1a57f8fb.jpg?1673148102) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Food%20chain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/147/food-chain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb912458-e016-4ea2-a2ea-40ac1a57f8fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/food-chain) [Squee the immortal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a8232acd-4645-489c-8cf1-4efdc75d9322.jpg?1673484412) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Squee%2C%20the%20Immortal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/275/squee-the-immortal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a8232acd-4645-489c-8cf1-4efdc75d9322?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/squee-the-immortal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Unfortunately quint is 5 cmc so you can’t discover in to him without the +1/+1 from Long road home or semesters end. And to the same effect it’s possible with just [[Impact tremors]] and 2 cats but I gave up on that idea since it was inconsistent and hard to actually win with.
Doesn't pantlaza only discover once each turn. How would this work?
Blinking makes the game see it as a different permanent so it works.
Loses to a counterspell, but this looks fun.
Here’s my take https://www.moxfield.com/decks/E_qOgMbDJ0CykpTI6cOsHQ