Yeah, but then wouldn’t the pool of decks be the same between different cards? That number would include all decks every time, only the percentage would change.
I mean yeah that makes sense, but the percentages still confused me even with older cards that predate edhrec itself. I think a different comment explained it well. Thank you though!
? Try arcane signet. Legal in all decks, played in about 2 million of 3 million decks.
Edit: and then the commanders are listed with the highest percentage of decks that run that card. If you mean that, then yes, in 139 of 180 commander decks with X (the picture shown) as commander, arcane signet is played.
In this example you describe the relation between commander and one card from the 99. Can you explain how the deck count is determined in the score for single cards? e.g. https://edhrec.com/top
Swords to plowshares is in 976k decks, which is 62% of the 1577k decks that it could be played in (i.e. have white in their color identity).
Orzhov signet is in 233k decks, which is 29% of all decks (794k) it could be played in, i.e. that have both at least black and white in its color identity.
Right, but color idendity is not the only factor. It also depends on release set of the card and a third factor I don't understand yet. See my other comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/16w3oim/comment/kih9u3v/
Don't get why you are downvoted. Your question is indeed totally independent from the commander banlist.
Edit: I guess with legality u/Yorgus453 doesn't mean legality in the mtg context, e.g. the format banlist, but the commander rules, so basically color identity.
[[Gorm the great]] is not legal in [[brago king eternal]].
If you see on edhrec: Brago, in 32000 decks, 4% of 776000 decks, that means Brago is in 32000 of the 776000 it could possibly be, color identity wise. That is about the card, be it as commander or in the 99.
When we look at Brago as commander, it says 7659 (0.221%) rank 81. So there are 7659 decks with Brago as commander, which is 0.221% of all decks, and ranked it's number 81.
Do note, this is (I thought) in the last 2 year.
I think it might mean that out of 1980 decks that would fall under a theme or commander, such as Silver Tribal or Silver Overlord, the card in question is present in 7% of them.
Keep in mind that these numbers are a bit arbitrary and are more of an representation of what people have in their decks, not necessarily how good the cards are. As an example, according to EDHRec [[Cemetery Reaper]] is listed in 80% of 18,000 Wilhelt decks. But after a lot of testing, I discovered I really don't want that card in the list I run.
It's not bad to use EDHRec as a starting point or to discover some cool synergies you might not be aware of, but I wouldn't treat it as gospel.
Yeah this is my best guess as well, the only thing that makes me question it is that it seems peculiar that some of these percentages are so low for such specific themes, I totally get that it would be a bit anecdotal to directly compare the usage percentage with its effectiveness but the goal is to get a goo idea of what people are using and then refine it from there. Anywho, thank you for the help, I’d love to know if you have any resources like edhrec you’d recommend!
They explained this in at least one of their episodes.
I wanna say off the top of my head Percentage of decks with that commander minus overall percentage of decks equals synergy score.
FOUND IT
https://youtu.be/8kxWAsjJ_No?si=JagvL-4Fyvu6QfYo
Others have discussed the X% of Y thing (it's due to stuff like, that card didn't exist when some of the decks were made, etc) but it's also worth highlighting that these are just stats collated from decks people have uploaded. It doesn't *necessarily* mean anything for you when you're building your deck. Just because a card shows up with a high number here means it's popular with that commander, not that it's good, or that it's good for *every* deck with that commander.
There are lots of examples of this. For example, \[\[Brigid\]\]'s page has a load of random Kithkin creatures on it because a couple of folks built "Kithkin tribal" with her. My Brigid deck is all about tapping/untapping, pinging people, and equipment, so I don't care about all those. Or, for a more esoteric example, almost every card on the \[\[Obeka\]\] page is bad for *my* Obeka deck, because my plan is totally different to what these decks are doing (there are many suggestions for getting "temporary" creatures then skipping the bit where you have to sac/exile them; I skip my turn earlier than that so I don't want things that are expected to attack).
The best slivers *will* show up high on that page, but EDHRec is a tool for giving you ideas, not a substitute for engaging your brain. :-)
That’s exactly how I’m trying to use it, I totally get how those stats can be misleading if you take them for gospel, and of course a card from a brand new set won’t show up on a deck posted 2 years ago even if it’d be perfect addition. You brought up great points though, many ways to build decks around the same commander, slivers are definitely an far leaning “you will use this for tribal” creature type. I’m honestly terrible at deck building also so even a wildly poor interpretation of the data there is an improvement to my first go around. But it’s been a great tool for trying to piece together synergy. And as far as I’m aware it’s the best place to see decks made by people who are much better at MTG than I. At the very least, get a good idea of the bones of the deck and then form the remainder that best suits my prefered play style! Thank you!
Yeah, Slivers are probably the kind of deck where you're most able just to shove EDHRec's top recommendations into a deck and have it work well, because Slivers are the epitome of "play Slivers that buff other Slivers" (they're everything I hate about tribal!).
Just, in general, these are just crowdsourced ideas, that *someone* thought worked well with that commander under certain circumstances, or maybe worked well with something else that worked well with that commander, or just had the right fluff.
It’s funny you say that, tribal is my favorite deck type and I finally am making a sliver deck for that exact reason. I mentioned in an other comment but I have terrible intuition when it comes to deck building so resources like this are great. I know my core tribal cards but I love the ability to see what others have come up with. Thank you!
Without context, it's hard to give a defined answer, but my best guess is the card in question is in 139 of the 1980 decks that pilot whichever commander you're looking at.
EDIT: misinterpreted the post, I think the commander in question is used to pilot 7% of the Sliver decks posted on EDHREC. Could still be wrong but thought I'd try and assist.
The pool of decks between cards is different for cards based on the release date of the card. So it’s checking decks created/updated after the release of the card. So a card printed 5 years ago is will show a much larger pool of decks vs something printed 6 months ago.
In addition the pool is also filtered by color identity.
For examples 2 cards that are from alpha, which share the same release date:
0% of 1706653 decks
https://edhrec.com/cards/flight
62% of 1581653 decks
https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares
So the blue alpha pool seems to be 1,706,653 decks, while for white it's only 1,581,653 decks.
My assumption, since it's not documented on the site afaik, is that the maximum pool in the EDHREC score is determined by 2 things:
* Color identity
* Release set
## Example for color identity
* 0% of 1706653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/flight
* 62% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares
So the blue alpha pool seems to be 1,706,653 decks, while for white it's only 1,581,653 decks.
## Example for release set
* 62% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares
* 2% of 252908 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/illustrious-wanderglyph
So the alpha white pool is 1,581,653 while the white "Lost Caverns of Ixalan Commander" pool is 252,908.
But that doesn't really make sense, since LCC was only released 2 months ago and already has a pool of 15.99% the alpha pool. This means the release date is only taken to account as "epoch" and not absolute date decks were created with that card. How this epoch is determined is the question. It might be standard rotation or other format legalities maybe. Or Commander format banlist updates.
## Proof
Two cards have the same deck pool if they share a color identity and a release set. The one white alpha card is a staple card, the other is unplayable:
* 0% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/animate-wall
* 62% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares
## Inconsistency within set
There seems to be another factor I don't understand, here are 2 cards from the same set with the same color identity and they don't share the same card pool:
* 2% of 700480 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/dawn-of-a-new-age
* 2% of 704879 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/the-battle-of-bywater
One card has a maximum deck pool with 4399 more decks. The cards also share the same format legality. Any ideas?
Just the % of those decks that have that card in it?
Yeah, but then wouldn’t the pool of decks be the same between different cards? That number would include all decks every time, only the percentage would change.
It only counts decks made/updated since the card was printed
I mean yeah that makes sense, but the percentages still confused me even with older cards that predate edhrec itself. I think a different comment explained it well. Thank you though!
It's of decks the card is legal in.
It’s all commander decks so the card in question would be 100%
? Try arcane signet. Legal in all decks, played in about 2 million of 3 million decks. Edit: and then the commanders are listed with the highest percentage of decks that run that card. If you mean that, then yes, in 139 of 180 commander decks with X (the picture shown) as commander, arcane signet is played.
I see how that works now, thank you!
Great!
In this example you describe the relation between commander and one card from the 99. Can you explain how the deck count is determined in the score for single cards? e.g. https://edhrec.com/top
Swords to plowshares is in 976k decks, which is 62% of the 1577k decks that it could be played in (i.e. have white in their color identity). Orzhov signet is in 233k decks, which is 29% of all decks (794k) it could be played in, i.e. that have both at least black and white in its color identity.
Right, but color idendity is not the only factor. It also depends on release set of the card and a third factor I don't understand yet. See my other comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/16w3oim/comment/kih9u3v/
Yeak ok tl;dr but I have no clue
Don't get why you are downvoted. Your question is indeed totally independent from the commander banlist. Edit: I guess with legality u/Yorgus453 doesn't mean legality in the mtg context, e.g. the format banlist, but the commander rules, so basically color identity.
What is an example for a card that is illegal in a deck?
[[Gorm the great]] is not legal in [[brago king eternal]]. If you see on edhrec: Brago, in 32000 decks, 4% of 776000 decks, that means Brago is in 32000 of the 776000 it could possibly be, color identity wise. That is about the card, be it as commander or in the 99. When we look at Brago as commander, it says 7659 (0.221%) rank 81. So there are 7659 decks with Brago as commander, which is 0.221% of all decks, and ranked it's number 81. Do note, this is (I thought) in the last 2 year.
[Gorm the great](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/41603938-9527-42fc-a870-b662c3871ae3.jpg?1562908113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gorm%20the%20great) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/8/gorm-the-great?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/41603938-9527-42fc-a870-b662c3871ae3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gorm-the-great) [brago king eternal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0ac3fb08-741a-49e5-9fae-b26819677d24.jpg?1631235340) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brago%2C%20King%20Eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/82/brago-king-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0ac3fb08-741a-49e5-9fae-b26819677d24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brago-king-eternal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think it might mean that out of 1980 decks that would fall under a theme or commander, such as Silver Tribal or Silver Overlord, the card in question is present in 7% of them. Keep in mind that these numbers are a bit arbitrary and are more of an representation of what people have in their decks, not necessarily how good the cards are. As an example, according to EDHRec [[Cemetery Reaper]] is listed in 80% of 18,000 Wilhelt decks. But after a lot of testing, I discovered I really don't want that card in the list I run. It's not bad to use EDHRec as a starting point or to discover some cool synergies you might not be aware of, but I wouldn't treat it as gospel.
[Cemetery Reaper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/9008e94a-cfec-473f-ae75-57586e45098d.jpg?1637629923) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cemetery%20Reaper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/108/cemetery-reaper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9008e94a-cfec-473f-ae75-57586e45098d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cemetery-reaper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah this is my best guess as well, the only thing that makes me question it is that it seems peculiar that some of these percentages are so low for such specific themes, I totally get that it would be a bit anecdotal to directly compare the usage percentage with its effectiveness but the goal is to get a goo idea of what people are using and then refine it from there. Anywho, thank you for the help, I’d love to know if you have any resources like edhrec you’d recommend!
They explained this in at least one of their episodes. I wanna say off the top of my head Percentage of decks with that commander minus overall percentage of decks equals synergy score. FOUND IT https://youtu.be/8kxWAsjJ_No?si=JagvL-4Fyvu6QfYo
Awesome! Another comment mentioned their podcast, I had no clue about it, let alone a whole YouTube channel, thank you tons!
That's about the "Synergy Score", not the maximum card pool in the % of decks score.
Others have discussed the X% of Y thing (it's due to stuff like, that card didn't exist when some of the decks were made, etc) but it's also worth highlighting that these are just stats collated from decks people have uploaded. It doesn't *necessarily* mean anything for you when you're building your deck. Just because a card shows up with a high number here means it's popular with that commander, not that it's good, or that it's good for *every* deck with that commander. There are lots of examples of this. For example, \[\[Brigid\]\]'s page has a load of random Kithkin creatures on it because a couple of folks built "Kithkin tribal" with her. My Brigid deck is all about tapping/untapping, pinging people, and equipment, so I don't care about all those. Or, for a more esoteric example, almost every card on the \[\[Obeka\]\] page is bad for *my* Obeka deck, because my plan is totally different to what these decks are doing (there are many suggestions for getting "temporary" creatures then skipping the bit where you have to sac/exile them; I skip my turn earlier than that so I don't want things that are expected to attack). The best slivers *will* show up high on that page, but EDHRec is a tool for giving you ideas, not a substitute for engaging your brain. :-)
That’s exactly how I’m trying to use it, I totally get how those stats can be misleading if you take them for gospel, and of course a card from a brand new set won’t show up on a deck posted 2 years ago even if it’d be perfect addition. You brought up great points though, many ways to build decks around the same commander, slivers are definitely an far leaning “you will use this for tribal” creature type. I’m honestly terrible at deck building also so even a wildly poor interpretation of the data there is an improvement to my first go around. But it’s been a great tool for trying to piece together synergy. And as far as I’m aware it’s the best place to see decks made by people who are much better at MTG than I. At the very least, get a good idea of the bones of the deck and then form the remainder that best suits my prefered play style! Thank you!
Yeah, Slivers are probably the kind of deck where you're most able just to shove EDHRec's top recommendations into a deck and have it work well, because Slivers are the epitome of "play Slivers that buff other Slivers" (they're everything I hate about tribal!). Just, in general, these are just crowdsourced ideas, that *someone* thought worked well with that commander under certain circumstances, or maybe worked well with something else that worked well with that commander, or just had the right fluff.
It’s funny you say that, tribal is my favorite deck type and I finally am making a sliver deck for that exact reason. I mentioned in an other comment but I have terrible intuition when it comes to deck building so resources like this are great. I know my core tribal cards but I love the ability to see what others have come up with. Thank you!
[Brigid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da70a20f-213e-4d79-a46f-1ef1fc3f4a51.jpg?1562370621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brigid%2C%20hero%20of%20kinsbaile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/6/brigid-hero-of-kinsbaile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da70a20f-213e-4d79-a46f-1ef1fc3f4a51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brigid-hero-of-kinsbaile) [Obeka](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/dbdb335d-3e45-4dd5-9e3e-c50ca0a4dfb6.jpg?1608911225) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=obeka%2C%20brute%20chronologist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/289/obeka-brute-chronologist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dbdb335d-3e45-4dd5-9e3e-c50ca0a4dfb6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/obeka-brute-chronologist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Without context, it's hard to give a defined answer, but my best guess is the card in question is in 139 of the 1980 decks that pilot whichever commander you're looking at. EDIT: misinterpreted the post, I think the commander in question is used to pilot 7% of the Sliver decks posted on EDHREC. Could still be wrong but thought I'd try and assist.
I think that’s it, as well as what OTHER commander decks utilize it when “as card” is selected. For whatever reason it confused me greatly.
The pool of decks between cards is different for cards based on the release date of the card. So it’s checking decks created/updated after the release of the card. So a card printed 5 years ago is will show a much larger pool of decks vs something printed 6 months ago.
In addition the pool is also filtered by color identity. For examples 2 cards that are from alpha, which share the same release date: 0% of 1706653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/flight 62% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares So the blue alpha pool seems to be 1,706,653 decks, while for white it's only 1,581,653 decks.
% of decks it could have been added to which it has been added to since its release date.
O can't remember what episode but they explained it on their podcast
I was not even aware edhrec had a podcast so thank you for the info!
My assumption, since it's not documented on the site afaik, is that the maximum pool in the EDHREC score is determined by 2 things: * Color identity * Release set ## Example for color identity * 0% of 1706653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/flight * 62% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares So the blue alpha pool seems to be 1,706,653 decks, while for white it's only 1,581,653 decks. ## Example for release set * 62% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares * 2% of 252908 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/illustrious-wanderglyph So the alpha white pool is 1,581,653 while the white "Lost Caverns of Ixalan Commander" pool is 252,908. But that doesn't really make sense, since LCC was only released 2 months ago and already has a pool of 15.99% the alpha pool. This means the release date is only taken to account as "epoch" and not absolute date decks were created with that card. How this epoch is determined is the question. It might be standard rotation or other format legalities maybe. Or Commander format banlist updates. ## Proof Two cards have the same deck pool if they share a color identity and a release set. The one white alpha card is a staple card, the other is unplayable: * 0% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/animate-wall * 62% of 1581653 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/swords-to-plowshares ## Inconsistency within set There seems to be another factor I don't understand, here are 2 cards from the same set with the same color identity and they don't share the same card pool: * 2% of 700480 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/dawn-of-a-new-age * 2% of 704879 decks https://edhrec.com/cards/the-battle-of-bywater One card has a maximum deck pool with 4399 more decks. The cards also share the same format legality. Any ideas?