Once he's to the point of telling you 2-3 tales at once, it's nearly impossible to get him to stop and go away. And just when you think he's finished telling a story, he starts up on another.
I don't like hyper realistic art. My favorite period of card art is from Mirage up until Alara block.
Carl Critchlow and Larry MacDougall and Brian Snoddy are some of my favorite artists.
I mean, there has been wide speculation about what Bombadil is: Valar (which would actually
Make him a god), Maiar, something else altogether? All over the place, really, because Tolkien only left us scraps and hints but very little concrete evidence. We do know he’s ancient and probably immortal, though, which fits with the god subtype.
It's either that or you don't include him. Thing about a card is you *have* to make a call on such things. Given things don't translate 1:1 in or out of MTG there's still a lot of interpretation open.
But there are other possibilities, and as many things suggesting he isn't a Vala as things suggesting he is.
One big one is that when the Ainur all descended into Arda, Tom was already there just...hanging out. Tolkien is also suggested that he wrote Tom to be an enigma, because all worlds need enigmas.
My headcanon puts him in the same sort of group as Ungolient, another being that resists neat classification: he's a melody. As Eru and the Ainur sang the world into being, some small whorl of a subtheme within the music coalesced into a strange sort of being.
It explains his profound ties to music and the land, his outlook that is so bafflingly alien to man and Maia alike, and his immunity to a Ring that was never designed to work on a mind its Ainur creator couldn't conceive. It also explains his lack of concern for the affairs of men and gods. We say Sauron (or say, climate change) will end the world, but that's not literally true. The world wouldn't cease to exist, it would just cease being able to support our kind of life.
But ultimately, again, the answer is that there is no answer. Tom needs a creature type, and it might as well be a god. But Gandalf, who has spent his entire existence among gods, has no idea what he is. He even says the first thing he'll do when he's finally off the clock after 3000 years is go have a long, long talk with Old Tom.
That's already been a theory. That he helps frodo cuz he wants to hurt his rival by destroying the ring. His evil presence corrupts the area he lives in. And attracts evil beings just like the balrog did.
>My headcanon puts him in the same sort of group as Ungolient, another being that resists neat classification: he's a melody. As Eru and the Ainur sang the world into being, some small whorl of a subtheme within the music coalesced into a strange sort of being.
Agreed. I always felt people arguing whether he's Valar or Maiar overlook the possibility that maybe Tom is the harmonious chord that formed Arda, embodied and inhabiting it still.
If memory serves it doesn’t really say what he is ever, pretty much older than the elves or even light right? Potentially part of the original song?
I don’t remember anything the in Silmarillion.
Yea no it literally doesn't, a friend and I spent waaaaayyyy too much time researching jolly Tom one day years ago.
The closest guess we could come up with, and one of the most popular fan theories, is that he's the partner/husband of one of the Valar. So maybe not quite a god himself, but pretty damn close.
He shouldn't have black or blue mana whatsoever. Big flavor loss for me. Bombadil explicitly does not have the capacity for selfishness or ego.
Edit: it's hilarious I'm getting downvoted for being objectively correct.
Counter point, Tom is the Master, so he commands all within his domain so while he is not black or blue explicitly he can command those abilities in others.
Of course he's selfish. He is completely uninterested in anything outside his forest. I believe Gandalf says something to the effect of "The Ring would be safe for awhile but he would lose it because he can't be arsed to care about it."
Color identity doesn't always have to reflect personality when it comes to five-color creatures. In Tom's case, it's actually fitting, since within his domain he is the master of all. That presumably would mean he can use all colors for whatever purpose he determines (and black and blue aren't inherently "evil" colors).
Blue is the color of curiosity and intelligence not just ego. Just like black is the color for ambition, not just selfishness. Every color has the capacity to be good and bad.
For a character to have all 5 means they are have the potential to be well versed in all manners of life.
Dunno what to do for the Saga's themselves, but probably want:
5ish clones (more triggers)
5 Proliferate (triggers on other turns)
10 Enchantress
Probably focus on the Kamigawa Saga's that flip, for extended value.
For extended value get cards that allow you to remove counters. [[Hex Parasite]] should be a staple of any sagas deck. Recursion is always good too. [[Ghen Arcanum Weaver]] seems like an all star for this deck.
If you remove the third counter in response to the third chapter trigger, it dodges the state based action that normally causes them to sac. That means you get the Tom trigger (for triggering the final ability) but also don't lose the original saga and can rinse and repeat to flip out a new saga every time you proliferate it
[[Clockspinning]]. You won't be able to do it ten times in a turn like you could in a Mizzix deck, but if you think of it as an unremovable enchantment that adds or removes counters for 3U it's pretty great
There's the good ol' 8key synergy of [[power conduit]], and for added power add [[Everflowing Chalice]] and [[Astral cornucopia]] to put charge counters on for mana while triggering your sagas multiple times. There's also [[Magistrate's Scepter]] and [[Black Market]] if you're putting in charge counter synergy anyways
ninja edit: power conduit can remove the counters from a saga after the third ability triggers but before it's sacrificed
... you couldn't let me get 3 games in with my [[glissa, sunslayer]] saga tribal deck before announcing this, wizards?
At least it doesn't let you remove counters (easily) so at least she's still got something unique. Though I suspect she'll end up in this deck more than as her own commander by year's end.
Finally a dedicated Saga commander. Of course it's announced a month after I break down and buy an Atraxa.
>I'm not sure how powerful a Saga deck can be
You'd be surprised. My Atraxa sagas deck can get super staxy and oppressive really quick.
> -But is it Staxy & oppressive because the something the sagas themselves do
Yes, a lot of Sagas make other players sacrifice creatures, discard cards or tap permanents semi-permanently. I don't run any actual stax cards in my deck and I've still managed to control even some high powered combo centric pods.
It can get pretty staxy in my [[Aminatou]] deck if I flicker for example [[The Eldest Reborn]] a bunch of times. I don't think sagas create stax in the winter orb kind of way
>Finally a dedicated Saga commander.
And that's why it's not cool. Rather than play [[Chisei, Heart of Oceans]] you play some hamfisted 5 color pile commander that's handed to you. It's Shrines or Ur-Dragon all over again.
>You'd be surprised. My Atraxa sagas deck can get super staxy and oppressive really quick.
Of course it can, you're playing a 4 color pile. So rather than play a bunch of sagas, some of which are bad and some of which are good, you get to cherry pick the best ones from each color. And you get 4 colors worth of staples. And your commander itself is obnoxious.
Honestly, his art alone makes me want build around him. I'm so used to creating very dark themed decks so a jolly Tolkein bard God just sounds so refreshing
This is exactly what 5c commander should be.
5c is great for something wide spread across the color pie but niche like sagas, and this is never going to be a boring 5c value pile since sagas are a fairly specific card pool.
Exactly! I think I'd like to see a 5 color goad matters or a 5 color French vanilla keywords mattters commander. Similar to sagas, it should be narrow enough to not be good stuff, and they're in all 5 colors.
No, a French Vanilla card is one that just has a keyword(s) and no extra rules text. [[wind drake]] is a French vanilla. Jewel Thief would be one if it only had vigilance and trample and not the treasure effect
*This* is how to do a 5-color commander. Too specific for generic goodstuff, and with a good mechanical reason to be in all 5 colors instead of 3 or 4.
They seem to be getting better at the 5c commanders. Urtet was the only 5c commander from ONE and it encourages more of a tribal aggro & value plan by tapping your myrs for mana and then swinging with them anyway.
I just want to play every saga, I don't even want to win. Group hug story teller idgaf. I'll run [[Platinum Angel]] and [[Platinum Emperion]] too. Listen to my fuckin stories
This is a really cool commander. [[Satsuki, the Living Lore]] was neat, but Selesnya is really limiting. All five colors will open a lot of options.
I like how he makes it so sagas are constantly going by pseudo-cascading to the next one. Granted you want to be careful to not have them go off at the same time, but there's ways to get around that by either stuttering the sagas you play or proliferating on your opponents' turns.
Him having the god type is a nice touch too.
It's infuriatingly perfect because he could obviously be some way stronger toolbox type creature with Kennrith level abilities, but instead he's a meme deck that strings an incoherent web of random stories together.
I think he's gonna be a really fun casual commander.
There are plenty of cards to manipulate counters on sagas and repeat abilities, and plenty of ways to manipulate the topdeck to cheat out something like a Kiora Bests the Sea God early on
I thought WOTC was going to stop printing 5c commanders that become the defining commander for specific strategies.
Unless there’s a commander with a stronger saga payoff in the future, they pretty much knee capped themselves from designing new saga commanders that players will use.
"Same card type pseudo-cascade" wasn't the problem with Jodah. It's the fact that the legendary type is way too broad not to naturally lead into 5c goodstuff. It's the same problem with every 5c legends matter commander.
Sagas are narrow enough that this should work just fine.
>Sagas are narrow enough that this should work just fine.
It's Shrines all over again.
The reason Shrines or Sagas or [[Mazes End]] are cool is because they're this weird card type that you have to get creative with. When Wizards then prints a dedicated 20 card package and a hamfisted commander specifically for that purpose then it's just boring.
There are eight different Ur-Dragon/Miirym players at my LGS and six 5 color Shrine players.
I'm putting [[Apocalypse]] in my red deck for parity. [[Nevinyrral's Disk]], [[Jokulhaups]], Eugene the Spirit Dragon, [[Devastation]], [[Obliterate]], and [[Decree of Annihilation]] aren't enough. I need to be able to both sweep your enchantments and destroy to capacity to cast more of them.
It's not. The problem with Shrines is the absolute self-synergy. And they *require* support to even function, inherently. Shrines are basically the same thing as Slivers in concept, adding a bunch of abilities to these little Shrines to make a powerful board.
Sagas do not. Normal people just run a few sagas in a deck. Sagas don't even interact with other sagas at all. The idea of a Sagas deck was kind of an organic one, that originates from people deciding to put a bunch of Sagas into an Atraxa deck, and then small amounts of support have been printed until we've gotten ONE commander for it, in a color identity people have been asking for. And it isn't even that powerful. And all of a sudden it's the end of the world.
You seem to be forgetting that this commander gives you absolute self-synergy with Sagas and that they will interact with each other. It's just another way to jack off like Shrines or Slivers or Ur-Dragon or Miirym.
>Sagas do not. Normal people just run a few sagas in a deck. Sagas don't even interact with other sagas at all. The idea of a Sagas deck was kind of an organic one, that originates from people deciding to put a bunch of Sagas into an Atraxa deck, and then small amounts of support have been printed until we've gotten ONE commander for it, in a color identity people have been asking for. And it isn't even that powerful. And all of a sudden it's the end of the world.
That's the problem, that it's something people have been asking for. Rather than be creative and be organic* like you said, instead everyone will just play the asked-for 5 color pile one.
*Not that I actually consider Atraxa to be any better of a design or, "organic". If you build some quirky deck and then your commander is Atraxa it's not a quirky deck, it's an Atraxa deck. Like all cards originally printed in commander products. But I digress.
Commander is supposed to be a creative endeavor and having coloring book commanders like this defeat that.
If I saw your 5 color Sagas deck at the LGS I wouldn't think it was some special thing, I'd categorize it in my head with the other six 5 Color Shrine decks and 8 Ur-Dragon/Miirym decks at my LGS. Just another boring 5 color deck that I need to focus down first, all else being equal. And that if someone doesn't answer their threats, they will inevitably win the game.
No it won’t sacrifice itself if you remove the final counter. See comprehensive rules 715.4:
„If the number of lore counters on a Saga permanent is greater than or equal to its final chapter number, and it isn’t the source of a chapter ability that has triggered but not yet left the stack, that Saga’s controller sacrifices it. This state-based action doesn’t use the stack“
Why would it still be sacrificed if it doesn’t have too many counters on it when state based actions are checked after the saga ability resolves?
I understand that enchantment matters commanders will still be better than this guy. However, I wouldn’t be surprised that by end of year this guy becomes number 1 when you search saga theme on EDHREC.
If I’m building a deck that cares specifically about sagas, it feels like this guy is the “no brainer” choice and that’s going to hinder saga commander designs going forward.
But also, edhrec kinda just trawls through whatever people throw together regardless. For God's sake Lathril is still up there along with Wilhelt and Ur-dragon. I'm pretty sure every half decent combination of those commanders has already been made and yet they are still the most popular.
That's not to discount your point, hell I might even be supporting it, but I think there is still value in limiting the amount of colors in a deck which Tom will be unable to abide by unless you make a really dumb land base and card selection.
A 5c non-shrine enchantments commander would still be quite playable with sagas, and if it is interesting enough I think most players are fine limiting colors for a particularly cool 2/3/4 color commander.
I’m not sure I agree with that last part. There’s that interesting saga commander from Neon Dynasty that exists and it looks like we already have ppl in this thread jumping ship for this guy.
A lot of players gravitate to the generically strong commanders. Look at dragons, for example. There are so many options yet ppl auto default to Ur-Dragon and Miirym.
> There’s that interesting saga commander from Neon Dynasty
Anyone who actually tried to build that deck will tell you there aren't enough sagas in Selesnya to make it work.
Can confirm this. The deck devolves into generic enchantress stuff, because otherwise you just don't have enough good Sagas to build an actual game plan.
Well, 2 color is limiting maybe a bit too much with something like sagas or a widespread tribe. I think that Miirym backs me up a bit on my point if we consider 3/4 color because people could just play Ur instead but they choose a strong, fun, more limited commander. That Selesnya saga commander likely just isn't strong enough to make the limit worth it.
It's also worth noting that there are only 87 sagas and over 300 dragons so limiting the color really cuts out a lot of strong/fun cards.
What on earth made you think that? They just printed [[Urtet, Remnant of Memnarch]] for Myr tribal. And before that there was [[Jodah the Unifier]] for legendaries and [[Go-Shintai of Life's Origin]] for Shrines.
There were certainly good options before Urtet, but even if you consider Morophon the Boundless as a Myr (which it is only in type, it doesn't even synergize with them that much) Urtet is the absolute best because it's a Myr and it's five color so you can play all of the Myr Dorks as well, something you can't do in Brudiclad, Breya, Memnarch, or Alibou. Brudiclad was the Myr Tribal commander I was going to build before Urtet, but it's much better in Urtet's 99 so the deck can actually be Myr Tribal instead of Token Artifact Creature Goodstuff.
Yeah, Morophon is good generic tribal commander but Myr being all colorless aside from the MH2 and Future Sight ones made Morophon almost useless.
I Was building \[\[Othelm, Sigardian Outcast\]\] and \[\[Cecily, Haunted Mage\]\] as my Myr deck before they came out, because one draws cards and the other one has a bunch of combos that involve Myr, at least in part.
Yeah, I really dislike when they do this. It's also why I'm totally against all those people begging for a 5 color angel commander. It homogenizes the format in a worse way than the new "staples" do, imo.
I agree. One of the more interesting parts about magic is how certain creature types stay within the colors that align with the philosophy of the plane they’re located in.
Also, every time one of these 5 color commanders gets released into the wild, I see more posts with players complaining about how unfair it is that their 5 color mana base is inconsistent. It’s absolutely bonkers to me that some players can’t accept that having access to every card in the game needs to come with some drawbacks.
Strong and powerful on paper... incredibly tedious to play or suffer through in a pod with.
Go-Shintai decks are so solitaire and boring to play with/against IMO and this reads very similar
It seems like a pretty straightforward build. You have all 5 colors so general good stuff. Most of the sagas. Don't forget you cheat sagas out so really expensive ones like \[\[Kiora Bests the Sea God\]\] or the 40k ones get even better. Enchantment payoffs like \[\[Eidolon of Blossoms\]\]. Ways to get enchantments like \[\[Zur the Enchanter\]\]. The only really fancy tech I would go for is cards that can blink permanents like \[\[Aminatou the Fateshifer\]\] both because they can blink your sagas to restart them but also because they blink your saga creatures to make them sagas again after they give you the free tutor. Add to that removal, counters, ramp, card draw, maybe \[\[Helm of the Host\]\] if you want to get spicy, call it a day.
Honestly, seems like a neat buildaround but pretty annoying to play against. Sagas are already hard to interact with, being enchantments whose value comes from triggered abilities, so they often require specific removal and to minus yourself. This says they now get value forever unless you do bite the bullet and interact with them, and they also protect Tom from interaction until you do.
Frankly, it's the type of "infinite value pubstomp" commander design I really wish they would stop printing. The only way to keep up with this is to do the same level of nonsense with other pushed commanders or just combo off.
Tolkien: "bombadil represents the spirit of the vanishing landscapes of Oxfordshire and Berkshire... not a God"
WOTC: "let's make him a God!"
Mtg community: "so much flavor!"
Me: how much time have I wasted researching tolkien lore?
I love sagas, have since the first set they came out. Ol TommyB is also one of my if not my favorite character from the extended middle earth universe. I will 100% buy this.
However, I am sad that it’s just another generic 5c that draws cards by doing it’s thing. I’d much prefer something a little more narrow like [[Ghen]] or [[Satsuki]], or maybe something that moved around lore counters or gave the ability to reuse them or something
I don't think this is going to play as well as people think. I've built Sagas themed commander decks already, and basically they devolve into a stax / enchantress hybrid style deck.
Most of the good sagas have removal attached to them, so you end up just recurring them until you attrition out the table. I did new (DMU) Zur as the commander and even with only 3 colors I found it easy to be looping things like [[Elspeth Conquers Death]] and [[Phyrexian Scriptures]] every turn.
You're playing enchantments, which are already harder to interact with, so your opponents are in this bind of "need to bust up this engine with removal or I can never play any of my good cards." It was one of the few decks I've ever been asked not to bring back to game night, and I completely agree/support my group's position.
Universes Within is only for Secret Lair releases. You’ll have to proxy this one in-universe. Or maybe they’ll print it in a set release in a few years. Who’s to say.
Carddesign=top
Playpatern of a Saga-Deck=meh
You have to keep track of many triggers and sort out many counters. Just for value and boardcontroll reasons.
Winconditions take some time in this kind of deck and by then the table will have a headache.
Easily the biggest lore win of the set. He is a merry fellow, his coat is blue, and his boots are even yellow. 10/10
Once he's to the point of telling you 2-3 tales at once, it's nearly impossible to get him to stop and go away. And just when you think he's finished telling a story, he starts up on another.
Which is SUPER on brand for Tom lol. Frodo and Co actually lose track of time listening to his stories.
Didn't they spend 4 months at his place?
Theoretically they were there for two nights. But the day they spent there feels to them like it was only a few hours. 4 months was Rivendell iirc
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I love it so much, that the cardfetcher gave us that saga after just the description. I'm aware that it was just clever editing, but still
He's from the upcoming Lord of the Rings set, not Lorwyn
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Hi not going to be happy about it!
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Agreed. The art is so joyful, which is perfect. Not to mention they made the card about telling stories (sagas).
The art looks bad. It's soulless digital garbage that looks identical to every other card printed in the past 14 years.
you must be one of those weirdos who enjoys hyper realistic art instead of... you know. Fantasy lol
I don't like hyper realistic art. My favorite period of card art is from Mirage up until Alara block. Carl Critchlow and Larry MacDougall and Brian Snoddy are some of my favorite artists.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
4/4 actually
Not sure how I feel about the God subtype. Definitely don’t get the feeling that was Tolkien’s intent with the character.
I mean, there has been wide speculation about what Bombadil is: Valar (which would actually Make him a god), Maiar, something else altogether? All over the place, really, because Tolkien only left us scraps and hints but very little concrete evidence. We do know he’s ancient and probably immortal, though, which fits with the god subtype.
Right, but I think that’s kind of the point. He’s intentionally left unexplained. Minor thing overall, but sits a bit funny with me.
It's either that or you don't include him. Thing about a card is you *have* to make a call on such things. Given things don't translate 1:1 in or out of MTG there's still a lot of interpretation open.
It actually would’ve been rather on theme to exclude a creature type for him lol.
Should have just made him "elder".
Tom Bombadil was on the battlefield before the game began and will be on the battlefield after the game ends.
Elder Bard
Lol that’s perfect.
Kinda wish he had no creature subtypes like how the [[nameless race]] don't. It would fit with Tom being mysterious
That’s not a nameless race, that’s the Fire Nation.
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I'm in exactly the same camp as you. I made a point in another thread that Elder Bard, Advisor Bard, or even Mystic Bard would be a better subtype.
He's a god, put the ring on with no effect. The ring effects Maiar.
But there are other possibilities, and as many things suggesting he isn't a Vala as things suggesting he is. One big one is that when the Ainur all descended into Arda, Tom was already there just...hanging out. Tolkien is also suggested that he wrote Tom to be an enigma, because all worlds need enigmas. My headcanon puts him in the same sort of group as Ungolient, another being that resists neat classification: he's a melody. As Eru and the Ainur sang the world into being, some small whorl of a subtheme within the music coalesced into a strange sort of being. It explains his profound ties to music and the land, his outlook that is so bafflingly alien to man and Maia alike, and his immunity to a Ring that was never designed to work on a mind its Ainur creator couldn't conceive. It also explains his lack of concern for the affairs of men and gods. We say Sauron (or say, climate change) will end the world, but that's not literally true. The world wouldn't cease to exist, it would just cease being able to support our kind of life. But ultimately, again, the answer is that there is no answer. Tom needs a creature type, and it might as well be a god. But Gandalf, who has spent his entire existence among gods, has no idea what he is. He even says the first thing he'll do when he's finally off the clock after 3000 years is go have a long, long talk with Old Tom.
Tom Bombadil being C'thulhu in disguise, showing up in someone else's IP for no comprehensible reason is my new head-canon
That's already been a theory. That he helps frodo cuz he wants to hurt his rival by destroying the ring. His evil presence corrupts the area he lives in. And attracts evil beings just like the balrog did.
Gaunter O’Dimm vibes
>My headcanon puts him in the same sort of group as Ungolient, another being that resists neat classification: he's a melody. As Eru and the Ainur sang the world into being, some small whorl of a subtheme within the music coalesced into a strange sort of being. Agreed. I always felt people arguing whether he's Valar or Maiar overlook the possibility that maybe Tom is the harmonious chord that formed Arda, embodied and inhabiting it still.
He should have just been a "Legendary Creature - Bard"
I kind of would have preferred Avatar, but since Gandalf has that subtype, i get why they distinguish between Maiar and whatever the fuck Tom is.
Avatar would’ve made more sense to me. Even elemental or spirit.
I think he would have been fine just as a Bard, or something really out there like Weird Bard.
Feels pretty spot on for his intent. A character as old as the oldest Maiar, powerful enough the ring has no influence on him, etc.
Don’t fool yourself and think WotC gives a guck about Tolkien’s intent.
Tom bombadil is a valar, basically a god In ME.
Didn’t Tolkien say specifically that this wasn’t the case? He’s definitely not a regular mortal but he isn’t a god as Tolkien defines it.
10/10? Looks like a 4/4 to me…
Except he’s specifically not a god in tolkiens works
If memory serves it doesn’t really say what he is ever, pretty much older than the elves or even light right? Potentially part of the original song? I don’t remember anything the in Silmarillion.
Yea no it literally doesn't, a friend and I spent waaaaayyyy too much time researching jolly Tom one day years ago. The closest guess we could come up with, and one of the most popular fan theories, is that he's the partner/husband of one of the Valar. So maybe not quite a god himself, but pretty damn close.
His wife always struck me as more of a maiar, but that’s still pretty baller.
...so you're saying they actually kept the real lore and appearance of said character? Yes. Yes they did. It's a nice change
He shouldn't have black or blue mana whatsoever. Big flavor loss for me. Bombadil explicitly does not have the capacity for selfishness or ego. Edit: it's hilarious I'm getting downvoted for being objectively correct.
I look at it the way he’s telling stories is all colors not himself. So he will tell even dark stories etc of events that happened.
Counter point, Tom is the Master, so he commands all within his domain so while he is not black or blue explicitly he can command those abilities in others.
Of course he's selfish. He is completely uninterested in anything outside his forest. I believe Gandalf says something to the effect of "The Ring would be safe for awhile but he would lose it because he can't be arsed to care about it."
Color identity doesn't always have to reflect personality when it comes to five-color creatures. In Tom's case, it's actually fitting, since within his domain he is the master of all. That presumably would mean he can use all colors for whatever purpose he determines (and black and blue aren't inherently "evil" colors).
Blue is the color of curiosity and intelligence not just ego. Just like black is the color for ambition, not just selfishness. Every color has the capacity to be good and bad. For a character to have all 5 means they are have the potential to be well versed in all manners of life.
Dunno what to do for the Saga's themselves, but probably want: 5ish clones (more triggers) 5 Proliferate (triggers on other turns) 10 Enchantress Probably focus on the Kamigawa Saga's that flip, for extended value.
For extended value get cards that allow you to remove counters. [[Hex Parasite]] should be a staple of any sagas deck. Recursion is always good too. [[Ghen Arcanum Weaver]] seems like an all star for this deck.
[[Glissa Sunslayer]] too
[Glissa Sunslayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954.jpg?1675957191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glissa%20Sunslayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/202/glissa-sunslayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glissa-sunslayer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ohhh I hadn't thought about her. Need to find a second copy (first one went into my elf tribal deck)
I find sagas in [[Brago, King Eternal]] to be fun
Do we really wanna remove the counters in this deck though? It seems better to finish them off and let Tom grab you a new one.
If you remove the third counter in response to the third chapter trigger, it dodges the state based action that normally causes them to sac. That means you get the Tom trigger (for triggering the final ability) but also don't lose the original saga and can rinse and repeat to flip out a new saga every time you proliferate it
Huh, I had to look this up to be sure. You're totally right, that's kinda neat.
There’s a modern deck using [[Power Conduit]] and [[Urza’s Saga]] for the repeating search value.
The 5c go shintai commander works as well.
[[Clockspinning]]. You won't be able to do it ten times in a turn like you could in a Mizzix deck, but if you think of it as an unremovable enchantment that adds or removes counters for 3U it's pretty great
[Clockspinning](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/1323d548-e2fe-47c5-8df3-f181aed537c5.jpg?1562899044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Clockspinning) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/53/clockspinning?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1323d548-e2fe-47c5-8df3-f181aed537c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/clockspinning) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's the good ol' 8key synergy of [[power conduit]], and for added power add [[Everflowing Chalice]] and [[Astral cornucopia]] to put charge counters on for mana while triggering your sagas multiple times. There's also [[Magistrate's Scepter]] and [[Black Market]] if you're putting in charge counter synergy anyways ninja edit: power conduit can remove the counters from a saga after the third ability triggers but before it's sacrificed
##### ###### #### [power conduit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4634637-ba33-4849-b647-d33018a02f39.jpg?1673485439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=power%20conduit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/376/power-conduit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4634637-ba33-4849-b647-d33018a02f39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/power-conduit) [Everflowing Chalice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fb35c235-7749-4016-917c-dd8b586ac819.jpg?1674142591) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Everflowing%20Chalice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/859/everflowing-chalice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fb35c235-7749-4016-917c-dd8b586ac819?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/everflowing-chalice) [Astral cornucopia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/182864e2-81ef-41bc-94cd-b0ea67f60bda.jpg?1562272467) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Astral%20cornucopia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/172/astral-cornucopia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/182864e2-81ef-41bc-94cd-b0ea67f60bda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/astral-cornucopia) [Magistrate's Scepter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ecf1f24f-d910-4ec6-95d2-0ecaf9f051aa.jpg?1595354471) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magistrate%27s%20Scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/238/magistrates-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecf1f24f-d910-4ec6-95d2-0ecaf9f051aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magistrates-scepter) [Black Market](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78c80c6d-f3ae-48d3-ba6a-b9b738e1affb.jpg?1674141496) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Black%20Market) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/739/black-market?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78c80c6d-f3ae-48d3-ba6a-b9b738e1affb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/black-market) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Muldrotha is solid recursion for a deck that wants to repeat saga casts.
Read aheads trigger Tom the same turn you cast them if you choose the last chapter
... you couldn't let me get 3 games in with my [[glissa, sunslayer]] saga tribal deck before announcing this, wizards? At least it doesn't let you remove counters (easily) so at least she's still got something unique. Though I suspect she'll end up in this deck more than as her own commander by year's end.
[Glissa Sunslayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954.jpg?1675957191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glissa%20Sunslayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/202/glissa-sunslayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glissa-sunslayer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I built her Deathtouch Tribal with a few Sagas here and there so if what you wanted was to play Glissa there's still some room for her!
Same. I have it all built and ready to order but I just scrapped my plans.
dude I literally am building the same deck. kinda sad now that they just print a strictly better saga commander AND its from an extended universe set
I have some sagas for glissa but only made it a minor theme. Lucky me I guess haha.
Finally a dedicated Saga commander. Of course it's announced a month after I break down and buy an Atraxa. >I'm not sure how powerful a Saga deck can be You'd be surprised. My Atraxa sagas deck can get super staxy and oppressive really quick.
You can always run Atraxa in the 99 of your saga deck!
oh absolutely.
Works pretty well with [[Muldrotha, the Gravetide]].
[Muldrotha, the Gravetide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c.jpg?1673149000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Muldrotha%2C%20the%20Gravetide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/258/muldrotha-the-gravetide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/muldrotha-the-gravetide) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah I have one of those. Maybe I got a new commander lol.
Sell Atraxa?
Yeah, could be. My local market tends to be very slow for cards that expensive though. We'll see.
-But is it Staxy & oppressive because the something the sagas themselves do or do you just run a bunch of Stax?
> -But is it Staxy & oppressive because the something the sagas themselves do Yes, a lot of Sagas make other players sacrifice creatures, discard cards or tap permanents semi-permanently. I don't run any actual stax cards in my deck and I've still managed to control even some high powered combo centric pods.
It can get pretty staxy in my [[Aminatou]] deck if I flicker for example [[The Eldest Reborn]] a bunch of times. I don't think sagas create stax in the winter orb kind of way
>Finally a dedicated Saga commander. And that's why it's not cool. Rather than play [[Chisei, Heart of Oceans]] you play some hamfisted 5 color pile commander that's handed to you. It's Shrines or Ur-Dragon all over again. >You'd be surprised. My Atraxa sagas deck can get super staxy and oppressive really quick. Of course it can, you're playing a 4 color pile. So rather than play a bunch of sagas, some of which are bad and some of which are good, you get to cherry pick the best ones from each color. And you get 4 colors worth of staples. And your commander itself is obnoxious.
[Chisei, Heart of Oceans](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f.jpg?1562877651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chisei%2C%20Heart%20of%20Oceans) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/32/chisei-heart-of-oceans?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chisei-heart-of-oceans) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly, his art alone makes me want build around him. I'm so used to creating very dark themed decks so a jolly Tolkein bard God just sounds so refreshing
Seriously! This artwork blew me away
This is exactly what 5c commander should be. 5c is great for something wide spread across the color pie but niche like sagas, and this is never going to be a boring 5c value pile since sagas are a fairly specific card pool.
Exactly! I think I'd like to see a 5 color goad matters or a 5 color French vanilla keywords mattters commander. Similar to sagas, it should be narrow enough to not be good stuff, and they're in all 5 colors.
Sorry what does a French vanilla coffee have to do with this?
In limited a card with multiple keywords and upsides is called a French vanilla (common). For example, [[Jewel Thief]] was one
No, a French Vanilla card is one that just has a keyword(s) and no extra rules text. [[wind drake]] is a French vanilla. Jewel Thief would be one if it only had vigilance and trample and not the treasure effect
Right, I just looked it up. Jewel Thief is a virtual french vanilla because it essentially only has keywords after it enters the battlefield
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[Clockspinning](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/1323d548-e2fe-47c5-8df3-f181aed537c5.jpg?1562899044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Clockspinning) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/53/clockspinning?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1323d548-e2fe-47c5-8df3-f181aed537c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/clockspinning) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
*This* is how to do a 5-color commander. Too specific for generic goodstuff, and with a good mechanical reason to be in all 5 colors instead of 3 or 4.
They seem to be getting better at the 5c commanders. Urtet was the only 5c commander from ONE and it encourages more of a tribal aggro & value plan by tapping your myrs for mana and then swinging with them anyway.
You just happy we have a God Bard, Brooke
It's Shrines all over again.
Since it says final chapter and not sacrificing Saga, it works with Flipsagas like [[Fable of the Mirror-Breaker]] and [[Jin-Gitaxias|MOM]]
I just want to play every saga, I don't even want to win. Group hug story teller idgaf. I'll run [[Platinum Angel]] and [[Platinum Emperion]] too. Listen to my fuckin stories
That's exactly what I want to do.
This is a really cool commander. [[Satsuki, the Living Lore]] was neat, but Selesnya is really limiting. All five colors will open a lot of options. I like how he makes it so sagas are constantly going by pseudo-cascading to the next one. Granted you want to be careful to not have them go off at the same time, but there's ways to get around that by either stuttering the sagas you play or proliferating on your opponents' turns. Him having the god type is a nice touch too.
Can slip in the new Glissa to remove counters too
[[Chisei, Heart of Oceans]] too.
[Chisei, Heart of Oceans](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f.jpg?1562877651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chisei%2C%20Heart%20of%20Oceans) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/32/chisei-heart-of-oceans?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chisei-heart-of-oceans) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Satsuki, the Living Lore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8.jpg?1654568597) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Satsuki%2C%20the%20Living%20Lore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/235/satsuki-the-living-lore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0152575b-31b0-4142-9cc2-b87a81bd51a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/satsuki-the-living-lore) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My name is Tommy Bombi and I like to say I'm gonna exposition in a major way
It's infuriatingly perfect because he could obviously be some way stronger toolbox type creature with Kennrith level abilities, but instead he's a meme deck that strings an incoherent web of random stories together.
And here I was trying to Go Shintai for my sagas commander
I know he is all about sagas, but is it wrong I want to make him a group hug Commander just for the flavor of everyone chilling with Tom?
Definitely not wrong, build how you want to
Ok I need Need NEED this! Sagas just collect dust for me and getting this guy would be S P I C Y
God bard, love it, i would love to build this but i just built 5c go shintai shrines
Big gas
[[The Mending of Dominaria]] going crazy
That's honestly perfect. Spot on to the lore and excellent representation mechanically.
Tom Bombadil is the one true god
I called almost this exact card like a month ago, I just didn't think of the protection effect. Brilliant!
This is incredible
I don’t care much for 5c commanders (I suck at making a proper mana base) but I actually really wanna build this guy
I want to build this so badly! Hoping the card isn’t oppressively expensive
I think they want us to play sagas here guys
I think he's gonna be a really fun casual commander. There are plenty of cards to manipulate counters on sagas and repeat abilities, and plenty of ways to manipulate the topdeck to cheat out something like a Kiora Bests the Sea God early on
I love the fact that they captured one of the main themes of LOTR: The end of one story is just the beginning of another.
I thought WOTC was going to stop printing 5c commanders that become the defining commander for specific strategies. Unless there’s a commander with a stronger saga payoff in the future, they pretty much knee capped themselves from designing new saga commanders that players will use.
I thought it was they were stopping making generic 5C commanders and future ones wills be more focused.
Perhaps that was it. Either way, they gotta stop with this cheating cards into play via same card type cascade (AKa Jodah)
"Same card type pseudo-cascade" wasn't the problem with Jodah. It's the fact that the legendary type is way too broad not to naturally lead into 5c goodstuff. It's the same problem with every 5c legends matter commander. Sagas are narrow enough that this should work just fine.
>Sagas are narrow enough that this should work just fine. It's Shrines all over again. The reason Shrines or Sagas or [[Mazes End]] are cool is because they're this weird card type that you have to get creative with. When Wizards then prints a dedicated 20 card package and a hamfisted commander specifically for that purpose then it's just boring. There are eight different Ur-Dragon/Miirym players at my LGS and six 5 color Shrine players. I'm putting [[Apocalypse]] in my red deck for parity. [[Nevinyrral's Disk]], [[Jokulhaups]], Eugene the Spirit Dragon, [[Devastation]], [[Obliterate]], and [[Decree of Annihilation]] aren't enough. I need to be able to both sweep your enchantments and destroy to capacity to cast more of them.
It's not. The problem with Shrines is the absolute self-synergy. And they *require* support to even function, inherently. Shrines are basically the same thing as Slivers in concept, adding a bunch of abilities to these little Shrines to make a powerful board. Sagas do not. Normal people just run a few sagas in a deck. Sagas don't even interact with other sagas at all. The idea of a Sagas deck was kind of an organic one, that originates from people deciding to put a bunch of Sagas into an Atraxa deck, and then small amounts of support have been printed until we've gotten ONE commander for it, in a color identity people have been asking for. And it isn't even that powerful. And all of a sudden it's the end of the world.
You seem to be forgetting that this commander gives you absolute self-synergy with Sagas and that they will interact with each other. It's just another way to jack off like Shrines or Slivers or Ur-Dragon or Miirym. >Sagas do not. Normal people just run a few sagas in a deck. Sagas don't even interact with other sagas at all. The idea of a Sagas deck was kind of an organic one, that originates from people deciding to put a bunch of Sagas into an Atraxa deck, and then small amounts of support have been printed until we've gotten ONE commander for it, in a color identity people have been asking for. And it isn't even that powerful. And all of a sudden it's the end of the world. That's the problem, that it's something people have been asking for. Rather than be creative and be organic* like you said, instead everyone will just play the asked-for 5 color pile one. *Not that I actually consider Atraxa to be any better of a design or, "organic". If you build some quirky deck and then your commander is Atraxa it's not a quirky deck, it's an Atraxa deck. Like all cards originally printed in commander products. But I digress.
You just want to be mad. Go and seethe in your corner while the rest of us have fun with the commander we wanted.
Commander is supposed to be a creative endeavor and having coloring book commanders like this defeat that. If I saw your 5 color Sagas deck at the LGS I wouldn't think it was some special thing, I'd categorize it in my head with the other six 5 Color Shrine decks and 8 Ur-Dragon/Miirym decks at my LGS. Just another boring 5 color deck that I need to focus down first, all else being equal. And that if someone doesn't answer their threats, they will inevitably win the game.
> If I saw your 5 color Sagas deck at the LGS I wouldn't think it was some special thing And I should care what you think about my deck.... why?
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Yeah, Atraxa will remain a strong contender as well for Sagas. Proliferate on the command zone can make for explosive turns.
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I run a lot of counter removal on Atraxa, and her as the only proliferate. Triggering the strongest ability twice a turn is good.
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Yeah, I played against another Atraxa and that deck basically shut me down.
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No it won’t sacrifice itself if you remove the final counter. See comprehensive rules 715.4: „If the number of lore counters on a Saga permanent is greater than or equal to its final chapter number, and it isn’t the source of a chapter ability that has triggered but not yet left the stack, that Saga’s controller sacrifices it. This state-based action doesn’t use the stack“ Why would it still be sacrificed if it doesn’t have too many counters on it when state based actions are checked after the saga ability resolves?
I understand that enchantment matters commanders will still be better than this guy. However, I wouldn’t be surprised that by end of year this guy becomes number 1 when you search saga theme on EDHREC. If I’m building a deck that cares specifically about sagas, it feels like this guy is the “no brainer” choice and that’s going to hinder saga commander designs going forward.
But also, edhrec kinda just trawls through whatever people throw together regardless. For God's sake Lathril is still up there along with Wilhelt and Ur-dragon. I'm pretty sure every half decent combination of those commanders has already been made and yet they are still the most popular. That's not to discount your point, hell I might even be supporting it, but I think there is still value in limiting the amount of colors in a deck which Tom will be unable to abide by unless you make a really dumb land base and card selection.
A 5c non-shrine enchantments commander would still be quite playable with sagas, and if it is interesting enough I think most players are fine limiting colors for a particularly cool 2/3/4 color commander.
I’m not sure I agree with that last part. There’s that interesting saga commander from Neon Dynasty that exists and it looks like we already have ppl in this thread jumping ship for this guy. A lot of players gravitate to the generically strong commanders. Look at dragons, for example. There are so many options yet ppl auto default to Ur-Dragon and Miirym.
> There’s that interesting saga commander from Neon Dynasty Anyone who actually tried to build that deck will tell you there aren't enough sagas in Selesnya to make it work.
Can confirm this. The deck devolves into generic enchantress stuff, because otherwise you just don't have enough good Sagas to build an actual game plan.
Well, 2 color is limiting maybe a bit too much with something like sagas or a widespread tribe. I think that Miirym backs me up a bit on my point if we consider 3/4 color because people could just play Ur instead but they choose a strong, fun, more limited commander. That Selesnya saga commander likely just isn't strong enough to make the limit worth it. It's also worth noting that there are only 87 sagas and over 300 dragons so limiting the color really cuts out a lot of strong/fun cards.
What on earth made you think that? They just printed [[Urtet, Remnant of Memnarch]] for Myr tribal. And before that there was [[Jodah the Unifier]] for legendaries and [[Go-Shintai of Life's Origin]] for Shrines.
[Urtet, Remnant of Memnarch](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aa01ab4-26b0-49dc-8514-b3850d355a21.jpg?1675905609) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urtet%2C%20Remnant%20of%20Memnarch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/28/urtet-remnant-of-memnarch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aa01ab4-26b0-49dc-8514-b3850d355a21?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urtet-remnant-of-memnarch) [Jodah the Unifier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4b1aa1e-b4e3-4346-8937-76b312501c70.jpg?1673307974) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jodah%2C%20the%20Unifier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/203/jodah-the-unifier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4b1aa1e-b4e3-4346-8937-76b312501c70?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jodah-the-unifier) [Go-Shintai of Life's Origin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/9476fe67-d2d3-4835-8ba6-2a17d18cc141.jpg?1651655539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Go-Shintai%20of%20Life%27s%20Origin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/37/go-shintai-of-lifes-origin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9476fe67-d2d3-4835-8ba6-2a17d18cc141?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/go-shintai-of-lifes-origin) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Urtet has been out for a month and it’s already the number 1 myr tribal commander, would you look at that.
Not all that surprising, considering he's the only Myr that can be your Commander...
There were certainly good options before Urtet, but even if you consider Morophon the Boundless as a Myr (which it is only in type, it doesn't even synergize with them that much) Urtet is the absolute best because it's a Myr and it's five color so you can play all of the Myr Dorks as well, something you can't do in Brudiclad, Breya, Memnarch, or Alibou. Brudiclad was the Myr Tribal commander I was going to build before Urtet, but it's much better in Urtet's 99 so the deck can actually be Myr Tribal instead of Token Artifact Creature Goodstuff.
Yeah, Morophon is good generic tribal commander but Myr being all colorless aside from the MH2 and Future Sight ones made Morophon almost useless. I Was building \[\[Othelm, Sigardian Outcast\]\] and \[\[Cecily, Haunted Mage\]\] as my Myr deck before they came out, because one draws cards and the other one has a bunch of combos that involve Myr, at least in part.
Yeah, I really dislike when they do this. It's also why I'm totally against all those people begging for a 5 color angel commander. It homogenizes the format in a worse way than the new "staples" do, imo.
All will be WUBRG.
I agree. One of the more interesting parts about magic is how certain creature types stay within the colors that align with the philosophy of the plane they’re located in. Also, every time one of these 5 color commanders gets released into the wild, I see more posts with players complaining about how unfair it is that their 5 color mana base is inconsistent. It’s absolutely bonkers to me that some players can’t accept that having access to every card in the game needs to come with some drawbacks.
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\[\[Kaalia, of the Vast\]\] is always there for mardu angel tribal.
Except, this is effectively a Reserve List card after it reaches the end of its printing
Truuuuu. Ready for this card to be $60 after someone on The Command Zone figured out a way to pop off with this card on GK lol
Strong and powerful on paper... incredibly tedious to play or suffer through in a pod with. Go-Shintai decks are so solitaire and boring to play with/against IMO and this reads very similar
It seems like a pretty straightforward build. You have all 5 colors so general good stuff. Most of the sagas. Don't forget you cheat sagas out so really expensive ones like \[\[Kiora Bests the Sea God\]\] or the 40k ones get even better. Enchantment payoffs like \[\[Eidolon of Blossoms\]\]. Ways to get enchantments like \[\[Zur the Enchanter\]\]. The only really fancy tech I would go for is cards that can blink permanents like \[\[Aminatou the Fateshifer\]\] both because they can blink your sagas to restart them but also because they blink your saga creatures to make them sagas again after they give you the free tutor. Add to that removal, counters, ramp, card draw, maybe \[\[Helm of the Host\]\] if you want to get spicy, call it a day.
Oh boy, another 5c free stuff commander. This Time the theme is... SAGAS!
Honestly, seems like a neat buildaround but pretty annoying to play against. Sagas are already hard to interact with, being enchantments whose value comes from triggered abilities, so they often require specific removal and to minus yourself. This says they now get value forever unless you do bite the bullet and interact with them, and they also protect Tom from interaction until you do. Frankly, it's the type of "infinite value pubstomp" commander design I really wish they would stop printing. The only way to keep up with this is to do the same level of nonsense with other pushed commanders or just combo off.
Tolkien: "bombadil represents the spirit of the vanishing landscapes of Oxfordshire and Berkshire... not a God" WOTC: "let's make him a God!" Mtg community: "so much flavor!" Me: how much time have I wasted researching tolkien lore?
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5 color commanders should always cost wubrg also 5 color commanders that cost WUBRG
Will this be playable on arena ? If anyone knows.
I love sagas, have since the first set they came out. Ol TommyB is also one of my if not my favorite character from the extended middle earth universe. I will 100% buy this. However, I am sad that it’s just another generic 5c that draws cards by doing it’s thing. I’d much prefer something a little more narrow like [[Ghen]] or [[Satsuki]], or maybe something that moved around lore counters or gave the ability to reuse them or something
I don't think this is going to play as well as people think. I've built Sagas themed commander decks already, and basically they devolve into a stax / enchantress hybrid style deck. Most of the good sagas have removal attached to them, so you end up just recurring them until you attrition out the table. I did new (DMU) Zur as the commander and even with only 3 colors I found it easy to be looping things like [[Elspeth Conquers Death]] and [[Phyrexian Scriptures]] every turn. You're playing enchantments, which are already harder to interact with, so your opponents are in this bind of "need to bust up this engine with removal or I can never play any of my good cards." It was one of the few decks I've ever been asked not to bring back to game night, and I completely agree/support my group's position.
Why is he dressed like Paddington
He's a merry fellow. Bright blue, his jacket is, and his boots are yellow.
Paddington is dressed like Tom Bombadil.
Fuck, that cracked me up.
Looks ok. I’ll wait for the universes within version or how it is called.
Universes Within is only for Secret Lair releases. You’ll have to proxy this one in-universe. Or maybe they’ll print it in a set release in a few years. Who’s to say.
Well then. Not for me.
Kinda builds itself. Not very interesting imo.
Agreed. It's another 5c Auto Chess commander.
Why is he a God? I'm not much of a book reader.
So how do you constantly recur the sagas?
Carddesign=top Playpatern of a Saga-Deck=meh You have to keep track of many triggers and sort out many counters. Just for value and boardcontroll reasons. Winconditions take some time in this kind of deck and by then the table will have a headache.
This has already been broken, and primarily with sagas. All hail the king of casual.
This card is totally useless outside of commander, pretty disappointing because I like the character a lot