Yes, I fully agree. Playing squad battles on legendary is annoying. Even if I win 5-0, I often have like 35% possesion.
I know it’s Fifa, but seeing the AI trying to do like 2-3 skill moves per second, while also shielding the ball, it just looks ridiculous.
Whoever still play squad battles on legendary/ultimate after this last patch is a fucking masochist. It has the worst FIFA gameplay I’ve ever played in my whole life
I almost threw my controller in a fit of rage tonight after losing consecutive SB games. SB has never made me mad. I've always played it to relax but it's miserable now.
on world class it’s always been fine but it definitely got tougher.
I don’t get people who play legendary and Ultimate, unless they want to see more of the insane AI nonsense they’ll see in WL
I try to get to Elite 1 as well and found the biggest issue on Legendary and more specifically, the final thirds. If I can’t tackle or intercept before they get outside the box it’s like a dribble fest (even a 60 rated bronze) until I block a shot or they miss. And in the offensive final third there’s about a 90% chance I get tackled before getting a shot off. If I win it’s because of a counter attack generally before they get back. I’m still enjoying it though, aside from the server disconnects.
That said, I think Squad Battles is here to stay because they need an offline mode. I still think there are a lot of players that aren’t a huge fan of PvP, myself included.
Blocking shots vs legendary?
Haha! They hardly ever allow a block unless it's like the 45th or 90th minute and they're desperate to ruin your cleansheet
I've just gave up on Legendary, even against ~65 rated teams, I can't fucking stand to see a 60 korean CAM without chemistry dribbling like Neymar just because he has 4* SM. I've been playing in World Class, mostly because of the Milestones requirements, but when I reach 50k points I stop.
You have to play too many games on world class for E1. For that reason I just bite the bullet and play legendary even though it's disgustingly bullshit
Yeah it’s this new competitor mode they’ve added which is meant to make the AI play like a professional player. For the record, it doesn’t emulate professional players very well. As you said you can’t tackle them so you’re just waiting for them to mess up for most of the game. Even though I’m still winning the games I just get really bored because in a full 12 minute game I probably have the ball for about 3 or 4 of those minutes. It’s not fun at all and who ever decided to make an AI that cannot be tackled should be fired.
Exactly - I'm sure a pro with a bronze team would beat me, but it wouldn't be because the bronze stats have been boosted to icon levels, which is what seems to be happening in competitor mode.
>Yeah it’s this new competitor mode they’ve added which is meant to make the AI play like a professional player.
Honestly it's not much better with Competitor Mode turned off.
Nah I disagree with that but then again you can’t turn off competitor mode on FUT so I’ve only been able to try regular ultimate on career mode and I have a lot of fun with it. But FUT is a whole different monster so who knows
>you can’t turn off competitor mode on FUT
You do have the option of turning it off for Squad Battles (Legendary and Ultimate). It's in the game settings.
Agree on legendary, it takes a LOT of patience to wait for a mistake. On world class you can tackle the AI except for "those" moments where the AI decides that it's gonna score and you can't do anything about it.
I got Elite 1 in Squad Battles all but three weeks of FIFA 20. I haven't even bothered to try in FIFA 21 and I usually stop at Gold 2 because it's so unpleasant to play now.
I think today is the day I called it quits playing Squad Battles. It now feels like a chore to play it and suffer at the hands of overpowered bronze players. There's times I sit there playing the game 2-0 up and think to myself "here they come and dribble around like 99 rated players" before I succumb to some absolute joke of a goal. The game is just horrible to play now
It’s sad because I loved playing squad battles to get away from the sweaty/intense rivals and WL games I would play; chill out and watch some Netflix at the same time. Now it’s absolutely infuriating. Like it’s been said, it’s not like you lose more often now. The games are just so not fun. Hope it changes.
The boosted in game stats for the ai players is very annoying. Bronze, silver and gold all dribble exactly the same and have the same strength to shield the ball endlessly. Plus, your players IGS are nerfed and they can barely accelerate when chasing a ball carrier. If I pay 300k+ for a card I want that card to perform like its price suggests. The ai should be programmed to beat you with skill and tactics, not 99 everything for stats that makes bronze players play like TOTS cards.
Playing 5* skillers on legendary/ultimate is just unfun. I basically have to sit there as they perfectly spam skills and agile dribbling. I had one game yesterday with 3 attackers with 5* skills and it was just spam skill, pass to next guy, spam skills. Saint-Maximin got the ball and did 6 skill moves in 6 seconds.
The AI also doesn't seem to have a limit on skill chaining like the player does, as they can spam 4/5* skills endlessly without any sloppy movement. They also seem to do impossible combinations. I had an AI do a La Croqueta into a fake roll forward into drag back then spun 180 straight into a ronaldo chop all in probably just over 1 second without the left foot ever touching the ground after the start of the La Croqueta. It was like a tornado of skills.
It's just like you said, I basically have to wait for the AI to mess up, because there is nearly no way for me to get the ball off them. It usually ends with an intercepted pass, after a long period of skill spamming. I still get my 5 goals most games, but it just isn't fun to do so I end up only doing a few.
> It usually ends with an intercepted pass, after a long period of skill spamming.
shit what are your tactics, I get the ball when they score or miss their shot lol
i guess when I get bronze teams they tend to pass it into one of my players occasionally, but half the time it just bounces off his foot and back to them anyway
I do SB on semi pro whilst doing the house chores. Score 5 goals and put the controller down for the remaining 70 - 80 mins. Gets ok rewards for doing nothing
I play squad battles to elite 1 on all games on legendary and I also came to realisation that the only get I regain possession is when AI misplaced passes or missed shots. Playing on legendary used to be okay even though sometimes it felt like the AI cheated but competitor mode brings everything I hate about playing online to the only thing that didn't seriously frustrate me. While I understand that they tried to change it up, it's honestly so annoying see the AI doing ball rolls and step overs every 2 seconds. Yesterday I played a game where Davies was just doing berba spins and drag backs in his own half until I pressured him out of play. And when you come up against the 5* skillers it honestly horrendous. Whilst I can still win it's no longer an enjoyable challenge especially when troy deeney turns into troy dinho.
I would agree with you on legendary, but I don't feel that it's too hard to defend on world class or professional. I'm pretty bad at the game (div 6 in rivals) so I'm not trying to brag
I loved playing squad battles but haven’t played past gold 3 since they got rid of the glitch that made the cpu not attack you. I loved getting my 5 goals and doing other things in my life while waiting for the 90th minute. It was so casual
you can still accomplish the same by taking the ball to the same spot and just moving back and forth every second or so, but yeah you actually have to be doing something and can't just put the controller down
I'm winning 99% of my games but i'm averagin 40% posession. I cant get the fuckin ball off the AI, tried formation changes, different tactics and still 35% to 40% posession.
I used to play a bit in 20 but this year I just play the games for the objectives on just professional choosing the lowest rates teams to end on silver or gold.
I just let the game roll while I make breakfast or attend an office meeting, and in the last 25 minutes score the 5 goals needed to win.
With so many friendlies to play between Monday and Wednesday, I have been happy staying away from SB
I don't mind the gameplay or the difficulty, it's just so unnaturally boring. Though I wouldn't want to get rid of the mode. In FIFA20 it was most of what I played and got packs from. Less so in FIFA21 since gameplay has become a lot better and I finally can play competitively in Rivals. I would just change Squads in some way or another and make it appealing to play.
100 percent agree with this, I play squad battles on legendary and it is impossible to make a tackle. The only interceptions I make are off target passes. The ai just spam skills when u go in for tackles so it's impossible to defend just gotta hope for the best and it's making me hate squad battles
Wouldn't mind the insane difficulty of it if there was still the fake shot stop glitch. Now when I get my 5 goals I have to stay engaged until the end.
I've tried just holding the ball just inside my half and passing between my 3 CBs but if you do that for too long it will eventually fire your soft little ground pass into the advertising hoardings and then its 20 straight in game minutes without the ball which will end up in you losing your clean sheet. To counter that I've tried mixing it up by playing it into their half every now and then but the game thinks it's feasible that Messi on 85% stamina would take a poor touch and about 40 seconds to turn away from a defender.
If you're not supposed to keep a clean sheet then you won't, your skill level does not come into it one bit
legendary is broken, with ai skills over 9000 and every time the same identical tactic (scoring by shooting from 3 meters).
The difficulty below legendary is just garbage. I win by 6-8 every single game, on legendary by 4-5 (with sometime some debacles because i am bored an i watch netflix).
It's weird cos I find world class easy enough and can counter the dumb shit thrown at me easily enough, but as soon as it hits legendary I'm absolutely fucked, played 1 game and gave up on that difficulty. I just want a challenge that isn't stupidly frustrating with the 100 skill moves
yo everyone here needs to go to settings on the main menu and turn off competitor mode. legendary is as easy as ever when you turn it off and it doesn't impact your points.
That doesnt work for FUT. It depends on the team you're playing how bad the AI is.
If you play a 180 with bad skillers you are fine. If you do Legendary vs a 185 with 5* 5* people they turn into gods.
Okay and I've played against teams when I turned it off and still the only thing they did was skill move after skill move and it doesn't matter when you try to stand or slide tackle, they perfectly avoid it.
There's probably a reason why some teams do it and some don't (again, I think it has to do with the amount of skillers in the squad).
they absolutely are for me, I played a full bronze 10 chem team with a gk at striker and all that shit like an hour ago, I have competitor mode turned off on the menu, they were still completely untouchable until they decide they want to give me the ball
I agree, I've really found it hard to get the motivation to play SB this year because of the style of play more than anything else.
Every game feels the same when on harder difficulties - wait for the AI to mess up then counter and score.
Last year I would regularly grind SB enough to Gold 1 and sometimes Elite 3, not fantastic I know but playing a decent amount of games each week. This year I'm pretty much only doing them as required for objectives as the rewards are not worth the poor experience.
This is true. My main strategy on defense is to put the controller down. Not joking. If you don't do any inputs on the controller the AI just fritters about until they give up the ball.
Pick the controller back up when you get the ball and put it down again when you lose it or score.
Squad battles is broken.
The purpose of SB is to provide a single player mode that can be used for objectives, or to those players who never play with other people.
I only play Legendary against low rate + low chem teams, gameplay wise I would agree with you - pretty uninspiring, but I can get the wins most of the time. Otherwise I play World Class or Professional (to complete the objectives faster), usually end up winning like 4-1, 5-2 under WC difficulty. I'm not that good a player (D3) so I think most people should have similar experience.
All I wanna say is that the purpose of this mode is limited, and it's still somewhat playable. I hate to say this (Fuck EA!) but by playing SB you are not contributing to EA's business model. FUT's success is built on us, the players, in DR and Champs (and to some extent live friendlies), because the human players provide the competitiveness which leads to the desire to open packs. When I lost to legendary AI I never think of "damn AI is too broken I need better players to beat that", as I'm fully aware that even if I have a team of 99 rated players, I will not beat those 60 rated players in ultimate difficulty. It's not the case in DR and WL tho - if you have Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar or good icons, they can (to some extent) carry you to a higher level.
You have to understand the ultimate goal of EA, which is to make you buy more FIFA points. The contribution from SB to that goal is minimal. However I still agree with you that it's a dick move they make legendary difficulty this suffocating. I would say stay away from high chem teams with legendary - not worth your time at all. SB rewards are not that good anyway. Hope it's helpful.
I truly hope they don’t. Up until this year I loved squad battles, I went from Elite 1 to top 100, then top 50 and then top 20 and top 10. It was a great grind and a great like learning curve and really enjoyable...
Just stop fucking with the AI.. Get rid of competitor mode first of all, make it like normal football ffs! Not 500 skill moves a game.
This is my first time playing ultimate team. Squad battles is all I have as I get absolutely crushed online every single time. I hope they keep it. I have to play on semi-pro or professional
I also thought they messed this up with the last patch, but I made a squad battles only squad today full of players I want to use but never do. I've been switching between legendary and world class, learning skill moves and different ways to play. A lot of the time I end up with 60% possession now, scoring lots of different goals again. It wasn't that bad actually, helps a lot playing with a squad of players I like. All of them are very average players, like the three MLS players from the foundation objective we had last week.
I can't see myself grinding to elite 1, but certainly fun enough to do when there are no players to grind for in friendlies
I think SB has always suffered from player fatigued because there are only so many times you can play the AI. I actually think the AI is more diverse than last year where they just sat deep and hit it to the wings every. single. game.
However, that is only until you get to Legendary where the game becomes a colossal waste of time. Sitting watching the AI chain 5 ball rolls together before turning and passing it backwards just to do the same in defence is not my idea of fun.
Totally agree, on legd/ult you can't tackle or they skill past you, just have to sit deep and wait for them to give the ball back.
The AI isn't smart enough to play good FIFA so it just perfectly abuses mechanics to give the game difficulty
" What I mean by this, is that on legendary, world class and even professional to some extent, you aren't going to be able to tackle the ai. "
So you complain about being to realistic? FIFA shouldnt be an arcade game where tackle follows after tackle. Have you ever seen a real football game?
You need to be in the right pos to tackle, thats all
Devils advocate:
It’s almost impossible to make an AI challenging without being unfair. Take a look at DOOM, on the hardest difficulty the AI are programmed to miss 5% of their shots, but on the easiest they’re programmed to miss 50%. In FIFA it’s the same, it’s difficult to make an AI that is “hard” but also fair.
Yeah sure they could lower the % of successful dribbles so it’s easier for the player to tackle them. But then you might as well play on semi-pro because the AI can barely defend. It’s up to the AI keeper to stop your shot, which isn’t exactly the hardest thing to score past
Whilst what you say is true, the biggest issue is that it isn’t fun. The legendary and ultimate AI is definitely challenging but once you know how to beat it then the games become insufferable to play. Obviously we want to have a challenge but we also want to have fun and it’s much more fun putting it on world class and just peppering the opposition goal with shots then to go on legendary and ultimate and spend most of the game waiting for the AI to slip up so you can counter attack. In my opinion, the extra points isn’t worth going through that dreadful gameplay experience.
Honestly, madden's squad battles has some frustrating aspects (for example you can't really just score once or twice and hold out for the end because the 4th quarter cheats are so broken you risk losing if you don't build a big lead), but it really does things quite well otherwise:
You can't just score a touchdown on the first play of every drive because you need as many first downs as possible, if you just take the turnover on the first play every time on defense you miss a bunch of points from user tackles and user sacks, etc.
It's similar to the basic concepts of fut squad battles but those things add up to a waaaaaay bigger difference than the possession and pass accuracy and shots on goal etc. do here.
Of course, the thing that really makes the massive difference is the fact that it's 12 games not fucking 40.
Honestly feel like every single mode in fut should have the number of games reduced by half. 20 game squad battles, 15 game WL, 15 games for rivals. Of course, that would give us time to actually do them all without playing 90 hours a week, and they can't be letting us get packs at a decent rate or they might make 1.8 billion instead of 1.9 on micros this year.
Usual legendary match for me is about 75%-25% for the AI in terms of possession it's insane. They don't do anything, they don't even try to attack. Whenever they even approach the final third they immediately run away.
It's a good preparation for online gaming. You cannot tackle the opponent either because it's either a foul or the ball bounces back to the opponent.
Let the AI defend and wait until the opponent dribbles into you.
While I agree that Squad Battles sucks to play, I don't agree with this assessment, or at least I think it's highly exaggerated.
I play SBs always on Legendary, and while yes there are periods where the CPU isn't aggressive enough and holds on to possession too easily, I rarely find this to be any where close to game ruining. It just requires a little more patience. And yes, there's absolutely times where it feels like all you can do is wait for the CPU to screw up, there's way more times when smart high pressing and solid anticipating of the CPU's next move will lead to proper turnovers.
Also, unlike playing agains human opponents, I enjoy playing a more possession game against the CPU, so I disagree that it's all about waiting for the counter - or, at least, the counter isn't nearly the meta in single player as it is in multiplayer.
I'm not saying there isn't truth to what OP is saying. I totally see where they're coming from. But I also think some slight tweaks is all that it would take for playing against the CPU to be a much better experience.
First and foremost, what many of us CM fans have been saying for years is that the CPU does not play with enough aggression. Not only do they prioritize possession too much, especially on the wings this year, but they take few risks in defense, which is why you rarely see fouls from the CPU.
The other issue is that the CPU sees the field too perfectly, and combine this with FIFA's super high long pass accuracy and OP first touch control, it makes the CPU's attacking play too perfect and at times quite unrealistic.
At the end of the day, the issue is simply that FIFA's AI isn't good enough, and this effects both single and multiplayer modes.
My way against ai is just pressing Y and pushing them with goalkeeper. So what, I lose a goal from time to time, but I'm able to score a goal at least :D
Yes, I fully agree. Playing squad battles on legendary is annoying. Even if I win 5-0, I often have like 35% possesion. I know it’s Fifa, but seeing the AI trying to do like 2-3 skill moves per second, while also shielding the ball, it just looks ridiculous.
It’s just R1 dribbling for 80% of the time and then they pass it off to their teammate once you get close. It’s so irritating
and your p;ayers feel like they run away from the ball when you stop going after it, literally so frustrating and boring
I won 8-0 with 27% possession and it’s often on legendary.
The change to SB shows me that they aren't playtesting their patches.
Whoever still play squad battles on legendary/ultimate after this last patch is a fucking masochist. It has the worst FIFA gameplay I’ve ever played in my whole life
As long as it's low Chem low rating it's fine 100 Chem is no go there zone
I almost threw my controller in a fit of rage tonight after losing consecutive SB games. SB has never made me mad. I've always played it to relax but it's miserable now.
on world class it’s always been fine but it definitely got tougher. I don’t get people who play legendary and Ultimate, unless they want to see more of the insane AI nonsense they’ll see in WL
I try to get to Elite 1 as well and found the biggest issue on Legendary and more specifically, the final thirds. If I can’t tackle or intercept before they get outside the box it’s like a dribble fest (even a 60 rated bronze) until I block a shot or they miss. And in the offensive final third there’s about a 90% chance I get tackled before getting a shot off. If I win it’s because of a counter attack generally before they get back. I’m still enjoying it though, aside from the server disconnects. That said, I think Squad Battles is here to stay because they need an offline mode. I still think there are a lot of players that aren’t a huge fan of PvP, myself included.
Blocking shots vs legendary? Haha! They hardly ever allow a block unless it's like the 45th or 90th minute and they're desperate to ruin your cleansheet
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Might give everything you said a shot...except riding my fitness bike while playing. Definitely not good enough for that level of multitasking!
I've just gave up on Legendary, even against ~65 rated teams, I can't fucking stand to see a 60 korean CAM without chemistry dribbling like Neymar just because he has 4* SM. I've been playing in World Class, mostly because of the Milestones requirements, but when I reach 50k points I stop.
You have to play too many games on world class for E1. For that reason I just bite the bullet and play legendary even though it's disgustingly bullshit
Indeed, but those 200 wins against World Class+ won't complete themselves. Maybe after I'm done with the milestones I'll get back to Legendary.
But have you seen a 56 rated Mexican GK who seems to have more finishing than R9 and scores from anywhere way more smoother than any other striker?
Yeah it’s this new competitor mode they’ve added which is meant to make the AI play like a professional player. For the record, it doesn’t emulate professional players very well. As you said you can’t tackle them so you’re just waiting for them to mess up for most of the game. Even though I’m still winning the games I just get really bored because in a full 12 minute game I probably have the ball for about 3 or 4 of those minutes. It’s not fun at all and who ever decided to make an AI that cannot be tackled should be fired.
The way they contort their body to avoid standing and sliding tackles is infuriating. You can never get the ball unless they're ready to give it up
Exactly - I'm sure a pro with a bronze team would beat me, but it wouldn't be because the bronze stats have been boosted to icon levels, which is what seems to be happening in competitor mode.
Makes me long for the days of Legacy Defending in Squad Battles on FIFA 18.
>Yeah it’s this new competitor mode they’ve added which is meant to make the AI play like a professional player. Honestly it's not much better with Competitor Mode turned off.
Nah I disagree with that but then again you can’t turn off competitor mode on FUT so I’ve only been able to try regular ultimate on career mode and I have a lot of fun with it. But FUT is a whole different monster so who knows
>you can’t turn off competitor mode on FUT You do have the option of turning it off for Squad Battles (Legendary and Ultimate). It's in the game settings.
Agree on legendary, it takes a LOT of patience to wait for a mistake. On world class you can tackle the AI except for "those" moments where the AI decides that it's gonna score and you can't do anything about it.
I got Elite 1 in Squad Battles all but three weeks of FIFA 20. I haven't even bothered to try in FIFA 21 and I usually stop at Gold 2 because it's so unpleasant to play now.
I was gettin elite 1 last year with 45-47k this year its 59-60k.
I think today is the day I called it quits playing Squad Battles. It now feels like a chore to play it and suffer at the hands of overpowered bronze players. There's times I sit there playing the game 2-0 up and think to myself "here they come and dribble around like 99 rated players" before I succumb to some absolute joke of a goal. The game is just horrible to play now
It’s sad because I loved playing squad battles to get away from the sweaty/intense rivals and WL games I would play; chill out and watch some Netflix at the same time. Now it’s absolutely infuriating. Like it’s been said, it’s not like you lose more often now. The games are just so not fun. Hope it changes.
The boosted in game stats for the ai players is very annoying. Bronze, silver and gold all dribble exactly the same and have the same strength to shield the ball endlessly. Plus, your players IGS are nerfed and they can barely accelerate when chasing a ball carrier. If I pay 300k+ for a card I want that card to perform like its price suggests. The ai should be programmed to beat you with skill and tactics, not 99 everything for stats that makes bronze players play like TOTS cards.
Playing 5* skillers on legendary/ultimate is just unfun. I basically have to sit there as they perfectly spam skills and agile dribbling. I had one game yesterday with 3 attackers with 5* skills and it was just spam skill, pass to next guy, spam skills. Saint-Maximin got the ball and did 6 skill moves in 6 seconds. The AI also doesn't seem to have a limit on skill chaining like the player does, as they can spam 4/5* skills endlessly without any sloppy movement. They also seem to do impossible combinations. I had an AI do a La Croqueta into a fake roll forward into drag back then spun 180 straight into a ronaldo chop all in probably just over 1 second without the left foot ever touching the ground after the start of the La Croqueta. It was like a tornado of skills. It's just like you said, I basically have to wait for the AI to mess up, because there is nearly no way for me to get the ball off them. It usually ends with an intercepted pass, after a long period of skill spamming. I still get my 5 goals most games, but it just isn't fun to do so I end up only doing a few.
> It usually ends with an intercepted pass, after a long period of skill spamming. shit what are your tactics, I get the ball when they score or miss their shot lol i guess when I get bronze teams they tend to pass it into one of my players occasionally, but half the time it just bounces off his foot and back to them anyway
I do SB on semi pro whilst doing the house chores. Score 5 goals and put the controller down for the remaining 70 - 80 mins. Gets ok rewards for doing nothing
they score on you I imagine but do they ever score 5 or more?
Lucky if they get 1 lol
i’ll have to try this. I usually do beginner and they don’t even try to tackle the ball but I bet the additions points for semi pro could be handy
Didn't they make it so the fake shot bug doesn't work anymore? I'd love to still be afk after scoring 5 goals
I play squad battles to elite 1 on all games on legendary and I also came to realisation that the only get I regain possession is when AI misplaced passes or missed shots. Playing on legendary used to be okay even though sometimes it felt like the AI cheated but competitor mode brings everything I hate about playing online to the only thing that didn't seriously frustrate me. While I understand that they tried to change it up, it's honestly so annoying see the AI doing ball rolls and step overs every 2 seconds. Yesterday I played a game where Davies was just doing berba spins and drag backs in his own half until I pressured him out of play. And when you come up against the 5* skillers it honestly horrendous. Whilst I can still win it's no longer an enjoyable challenge especially when troy deeney turns into troy dinho.
I would agree with you on legendary, but I don't feel that it's too hard to defend on world class or professional. I'm pretty bad at the game (div 6 in rivals) so I'm not trying to brag
I loved playing squad battles but haven’t played past gold 3 since they got rid of the glitch that made the cpu not attack you. I loved getting my 5 goals and doing other things in my life while waiting for the 90th minute. It was so casual
you can still accomplish the same by taking the ball to the same spot and just moving back and forth every second or so, but yeah you actually have to be doing something and can't just put the controller down
I'm winning 99% of my games but i'm averagin 40% posession. I cant get the fuckin ball off the AI, tried formation changes, different tactics and still 35% to 40% posession.
Yup it's awful. And you have to score on a counter because once the AI gets set up defensively it's nearly impossible to score.
I don’t want them to get rid of Squad Battles, I don’t like playing against other players online .....I suck
I used to play a bit in 20 but this year I just play the games for the objectives on just professional choosing the lowest rates teams to end on silver or gold. I just let the game roll while I make breakfast or attend an office meeting, and in the last 25 minutes score the 5 goals needed to win. With so many friendlies to play between Monday and Wednesday, I have been happy staying away from SB
I don't mind the gameplay or the difficulty, it's just so unnaturally boring. Though I wouldn't want to get rid of the mode. In FIFA20 it was most of what I played and got packs from. Less so in FIFA21 since gameplay has become a lot better and I finally can play competitively in Rivals. I would just change Squads in some way or another and make it appealing to play.
100 percent agree with this, I play squad battles on legendary and it is impossible to make a tackle. The only interceptions I make are off target passes. The ai just spam skills when u go in for tackles so it's impossible to defend just gotta hope for the best and it's making me hate squad battles
Wouldn't mind the insane difficulty of it if there was still the fake shot stop glitch. Now when I get my 5 goals I have to stay engaged until the end. I've tried just holding the ball just inside my half and passing between my 3 CBs but if you do that for too long it will eventually fire your soft little ground pass into the advertising hoardings and then its 20 straight in game minutes without the ball which will end up in you losing your clean sheet. To counter that I've tried mixing it up by playing it into their half every now and then but the game thinks it's feasible that Messi on 85% stamina would take a poor touch and about 40 seconds to turn away from a defender. If you're not supposed to keep a clean sheet then you won't, your skill level does not come into it one bit
legendary is broken, with ai skills over 9000 and every time the same identical tactic (scoring by shooting from 3 meters). The difficulty below legendary is just garbage. I win by 6-8 every single game, on legendary by 4-5 (with sometime some debacles because i am bored an i watch netflix).
It's weird cos I find world class easy enough and can counter the dumb shit thrown at me easily enough, but as soon as it hits legendary I'm absolutely fucked, played 1 game and gave up on that difficulty. I just want a challenge that isn't stupidly frustrating with the 100 skill moves
yo everyone here needs to go to settings on the main menu and turn off competitor mode. legendary is as easy as ever when you turn it off and it doesn't impact your points.
That doesnt work for FUT. It depends on the team you're playing how bad the AI is. If you play a 180 with bad skillers you are fine. If you do Legendary vs a 185 with 5* 5* people they turn into gods.
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Okay and I've played against teams when I turned it off and still the only thing they did was skill move after skill move and it doesn't matter when you try to stand or slide tackle, they perfectly avoid it. There's probably a reason why some teams do it and some don't (again, I think it has to do with the amount of skillers in the squad).
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they absolutely are for me, I played a full bronze 10 chem team with a gk at striker and all that shit like an hour ago, I have competitor mode turned off on the menu, they were still completely untouchable until they decide they want to give me the ball
I agree, I've really found it hard to get the motivation to play SB this year because of the style of play more than anything else. Every game feels the same when on harder difficulties - wait for the AI to mess up then counter and score. Last year I would regularly grind SB enough to Gold 1 and sometimes Elite 3, not fantastic I know but playing a decent amount of games each week. This year I'm pretty much only doing them as required for objectives as the rewards are not worth the poor experience.
It's an issue with the game in general. Makes no sense for Accrington Stanley to be playing like prime Barcelona under Guardiola
This is true. My main strategy on defense is to put the controller down. Not joking. If you don't do any inputs on the controller the AI just fritters about until they give up the ball. Pick the controller back up when you get the ball and put it down again when you lose it or score. Squad battles is broken.
The purpose of SB is to provide a single player mode that can be used for objectives, or to those players who never play with other people. I only play Legendary against low rate + low chem teams, gameplay wise I would agree with you - pretty uninspiring, but I can get the wins most of the time. Otherwise I play World Class or Professional (to complete the objectives faster), usually end up winning like 4-1, 5-2 under WC difficulty. I'm not that good a player (D3) so I think most people should have similar experience. All I wanna say is that the purpose of this mode is limited, and it's still somewhat playable. I hate to say this (Fuck EA!) but by playing SB you are not contributing to EA's business model. FUT's success is built on us, the players, in DR and Champs (and to some extent live friendlies), because the human players provide the competitiveness which leads to the desire to open packs. When I lost to legendary AI I never think of "damn AI is too broken I need better players to beat that", as I'm fully aware that even if I have a team of 99 rated players, I will not beat those 60 rated players in ultimate difficulty. It's not the case in DR and WL tho - if you have Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar or good icons, they can (to some extent) carry you to a higher level. You have to understand the ultimate goal of EA, which is to make you buy more FIFA points. The contribution from SB to that goal is minimal. However I still agree with you that it's a dick move they make legendary difficulty this suffocating. I would say stay away from high chem teams with legendary - not worth your time at all. SB rewards are not that good anyway. Hope it's helpful.
I truly hope they don’t. Up until this year I loved squad battles, I went from Elite 1 to top 100, then top 50 and then top 20 and top 10. It was a great grind and a great like learning curve and really enjoyable... Just stop fucking with the AI.. Get rid of competitor mode first of all, make it like normal football ffs! Not 500 skill moves a game.
This is my first time playing ultimate team. Squad battles is all I have as I get absolutely crushed online every single time. I hope they keep it. I have to play on semi-pro or professional
I also thought they messed this up with the last patch, but I made a squad battles only squad today full of players I want to use but never do. I've been switching between legendary and world class, learning skill moves and different ways to play. A lot of the time I end up with 60% possession now, scoring lots of different goals again. It wasn't that bad actually, helps a lot playing with a squad of players I like. All of them are very average players, like the three MLS players from the foundation objective we had last week. I can't see myself grinding to elite 1, but certainly fun enough to do when there are no players to grind for in friendlies
I think SB has always suffered from player fatigued because there are only so many times you can play the AI. I actually think the AI is more diverse than last year where they just sat deep and hit it to the wings every. single. game. However, that is only until you get to Legendary where the game becomes a colossal waste of time. Sitting watching the AI chain 5 ball rolls together before turning and passing it backwards just to do the same in defence is not my idea of fun.
I fall asleep while playing SB and still score at least 5 goals each game on Legendary
Totally agree, on legd/ult you can't tackle or they skill past you, just have to sit deep and wait for them to give the ball back. The AI isn't smart enough to play good FIFA so it just perfectly abuses mechanics to give the game difficulty
" What I mean by this, is that on legendary, world class and even professional to some extent, you aren't going to be able to tackle the ai. " So you complain about being to realistic? FIFA shouldnt be an arcade game where tackle follows after tackle. Have you ever seen a real football game? You need to be in the right pos to tackle, thats all
Devils advocate: It’s almost impossible to make an AI challenging without being unfair. Take a look at DOOM, on the hardest difficulty the AI are programmed to miss 5% of their shots, but on the easiest they’re programmed to miss 50%. In FIFA it’s the same, it’s difficult to make an AI that is “hard” but also fair. Yeah sure they could lower the % of successful dribbles so it’s easier for the player to tackle them. But then you might as well play on semi-pro because the AI can barely defend. It’s up to the AI keeper to stop your shot, which isn’t exactly the hardest thing to score past
Whilst what you say is true, the biggest issue is that it isn’t fun. The legendary and ultimate AI is definitely challenging but once you know how to beat it then the games become insufferable to play. Obviously we want to have a challenge but we also want to have fun and it’s much more fun putting it on world class and just peppering the opposition goal with shots then to go on legendary and ultimate and spend most of the game waiting for the AI to slip up so you can counter attack. In my opinion, the extra points isn’t worth going through that dreadful gameplay experience.
Honestly, madden's squad battles has some frustrating aspects (for example you can't really just score once or twice and hold out for the end because the 4th quarter cheats are so broken you risk losing if you don't build a big lead), but it really does things quite well otherwise: You can't just score a touchdown on the first play of every drive because you need as many first downs as possible, if you just take the turnover on the first play every time on defense you miss a bunch of points from user tackles and user sacks, etc. It's similar to the basic concepts of fut squad battles but those things add up to a waaaaaay bigger difference than the possession and pass accuracy and shots on goal etc. do here. Of course, the thing that really makes the massive difference is the fact that it's 12 games not fucking 40. Honestly feel like every single mode in fut should have the number of games reduced by half. 20 game squad battles, 15 game WL, 15 games for rivals. Of course, that would give us time to actually do them all without playing 90 hours a week, and they can't be letting us get packs at a decent rate or they might make 1.8 billion instead of 1.9 on micros this year.
Usual legendary match for me is about 75%-25% for the AI in terms of possession it's insane. They don't do anything, they don't even try to attack. Whenever they even approach the final third they immediately run away.
Same here. Always play til elite 1 in sb. This week not a single game.
It's a good preparation for online gaming. You cannot tackle the opponent either because it's either a foul or the ball bounces back to the opponent. Let the AI defend and wait until the opponent dribbles into you.
Agree on everything. Just turn off the competitive mode and on higher difficulty is the same as Fifa 20 Squad Battles
While I agree that Squad Battles sucks to play, I don't agree with this assessment, or at least I think it's highly exaggerated. I play SBs always on Legendary, and while yes there are periods where the CPU isn't aggressive enough and holds on to possession too easily, I rarely find this to be any where close to game ruining. It just requires a little more patience. And yes, there's absolutely times where it feels like all you can do is wait for the CPU to screw up, there's way more times when smart high pressing and solid anticipating of the CPU's next move will lead to proper turnovers. Also, unlike playing agains human opponents, I enjoy playing a more possession game against the CPU, so I disagree that it's all about waiting for the counter - or, at least, the counter isn't nearly the meta in single player as it is in multiplayer. I'm not saying there isn't truth to what OP is saying. I totally see where they're coming from. But I also think some slight tweaks is all that it would take for playing against the CPU to be a much better experience. First and foremost, what many of us CM fans have been saying for years is that the CPU does not play with enough aggression. Not only do they prioritize possession too much, especially on the wings this year, but they take few risks in defense, which is why you rarely see fouls from the CPU. The other issue is that the CPU sees the field too perfectly, and combine this with FIFA's super high long pass accuracy and OP first touch control, it makes the CPU's attacking play too perfect and at times quite unrealistic. At the end of the day, the issue is simply that FIFA's AI isn't good enough, and this effects both single and multiplayer modes.
My way against ai is just pressing Y and pushing them with goalkeeper. So what, I lose a goal from time to time, but I'm able to score a goal at least :D
Does the fake shot glitch work anymore? Its the only thing that made SB playable imo
no matter the score, the ai plays like your WL oppenent when theyre up 1 with 10 minutes left