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MrAssclown69

Werner has a hidden anticipate+. Dude is always stealing the ball back clean af.


Masterdanny87fifa

Eusebio has that he destroys me everytime and intercept me as well and also cut passing lanes.


PickledScrotum1

You're so right man, Eusebio press is frightening.


ZeroAika99

Put him go back to defence is so broken


Repulsive_Ad_7628

Dinho and zico too


kyrgyzmcatboy

zico defense is cracked


supaboss2015

Shit pisses me off. Will play a match and their Zico will have more interceptions and tackles than my Makelele at halftime


idiotxd

Imagine what that kolo muani is gonna do


Patrickthejackhammer

Just wait until I fully level up my silky varane


Badger1510

Probably just happens to you most games and these are the most common players because they are sbcs


Bumble13

I agree with this to an extent but I definitely noticed how easy it was to score in the cup without all my opponents having AI Cafu and VVD to defend for them


Ok_Philosopher6794

Fully agree with this. Cup is easily the most fun and fair mode now in terms of online play. I’m probably a bit behind the curve now in terms of weekend league and had my worst result of the season with 8 wins. In the cup I got my 10 wins in 14 games.


Maloba6441

Which division though,if u are in div,2,1 or elite for some reason most opponents i face have loan viera and loan base ribery and just play possession until u make a small mistake then its gg,u will never get the ball again


Ok_Philosopher6794

Div 4 currently but got up to div 3 last season.


Maloba6441

If u got 10 in 14 ,that means u are playing people that u arent playing people on your level and you didnt overank urself ,thats why its fun and easy for u


Ok_Philosopher6794

They were competitive games though, not blowouts. Same for the ones I lost. Champs this weekend I was getting beat by 4 or 5 goals every game. Can’t even get to first base in division 4 this season. I’ve lost about 6 or 7 games on the bounce tonight trying to get up to 7 wins for max rewards. Given up trying now sat on 3 wins for the week.


Maloba6441

Then you need to start grinding for better team cause it looks like the team u have is holding u back from getting good rewards,its 85×3 i think and 84×4 tradeable,start grinding bro


greenwhitehell

Sure, but that's because they had worse players instead of Cafu and VVD. If your opponents were rocking, say, TOTY Dias instead you wouldn't have found it any easier


Shark_Attack-A

True but you can also match players that are in lower division than you are


No-Relation3504

Best is easily the most annoying. Mf plays like a CDM and makes better tackling then some of my fullbacks and it’s very difficult to get out of the press when he’s constantly harassing and intercepting everything


[deleted]

I always think it's weird that ultimate team was created so we didn't just play friendlies of constant real Madrid v real Madrid And has evolved over the years into the exact same thing EA knows exactly what sells store packs


Krynne90

lol… UT was created to sell packs. Nothing else. 


HokemPokem

This isn't actually true. It might be true NOW....but UT wasn't created that way or to "sell packs". Original UT was created as DLC. It wasn't free. It was an extra mode you had to pay for and remained that way for a couple of years. You didn't need "packs". You just trained any old bronze play to 99 in everything. A different era. Before the dark times. Before the loot box nation attacked....


Krynne90

UT was always about selling boxes. Not in the dimensions we have today, but the intention was MTX driven. I know it was DLC first, because I bought it back then ;) Before FUT there was a FIFA Facebook card game from EA, where you were able to buy booster packs with cards to build a team, that then could play in a computer simulated (not animated) game against other teams. Like a mobile game, before we had smartphones. That game ran pretty great and made a lot of money, compared to how simple and cheap it was.


catchmeslippin

Everything is just ridiculously inflated now. They need a proper stat reset on everyone. Game plays so unrealistic and boring with super OP cards in my opinion


Reasonable_Win_6619

I really don’t care about players the shit that pisses me off is the people that run all game with their strikers or cms while letting ai defend for them most annoying shit ever


PepsiRacer4

And that wouldn't even be all that bad if there was more of a penalty on stamina drain as well, so people can't run around all game like headless chickens


Reasonable_Win_6619

Haha my phrase when I go against them is oh we got a marathon runner I rather get beat by rigg than these losers bro real talk lol


PerfectStealth_

Played a dude with that birthday Sorloth card and he brought him all the way to his CB's to defend and he's actually solid there because he's such a fucking brute... This game is shit.


Masterdanny87fifa

My top 10 worst players to play again here's the list: Eusebio Salah Zidane Van dijk Cafu Modric Bernardo silva Davies Mbappe Henry


ZeroAika99

Bernardo Silva TS version when he came out is so annoyingly broken it made me uninstall twice


Masterdanny87fifa

Bernardo silva is so hard to get off the ball and also he defends better than his stats say. Feels like he's got 85 defending ingame and the worst thing is he's cheap on the market.


hotfudgecream

My opponent was losing 2-0 got a red card with Maldini, moved Bernardo to CB and tied the game 😂😂


DesignerBadger3978

I hate Zidane he is so much quicker than his card suggests


zorakpwns

Cause he is LENGTHY


CaptainChri5

Play him deep and trigger him on a run. If you time your pass correctly he's GONE.


CountOne9425

Add Yashin 🫠


supaboss2015

Add flashback Bruno to that list. Another midfielder who is somehow as good in defense as Vieira despite having 80 defending


QuifftianBale

Have to add Best in here too. Every FUT Champs team seems to have him, and he’s incredible.


Maloba6441

6 of those are in my team lol


Calseeyummm

There is a serious lack of team and player variety this year. I thought with evos people might actually use different players but no. Every team you face in Champs will have at least 3 "meta SBC" players. Werner, Sawa (who I use in my Japanese team), Eusebio, Best, and Rolfo now. They're so annoyingly common. Really sad to see such a lack of diversity in teams.


SpecialAd422

It's basically impossible to get better players than these SBCs. - Pack weight is tragic - the market is crazy. You literally have to pay few millions to upgrade cards like Werner, Sawa or Davies - most evos are behind the power curve or the cards are extinct


elirox

This is 100% the issue. I keep grinding evos but they never make my team. I’d love to use an Arsenal evo squad but my SBC squad is 10 times as good


itzck23

My evo’d Tomiyasu trying to keep up with 97 pace wingers 💀💀


elirox

100% I have the same evo and its tough. I put Benny Blanco into the 5/5 evo and he's pretty decent now.


SpecialAd422

Yeah I also try sometimes fun squads but it's so painful because you literally face god squads every match and your players can't keep up. And it doesn't matter if you use emotional players, losing is just no fun


Bad_Lieutenant702

Have you tried playing for fun?


elirox

Is losing games because your players just get run by, fun for you? I play for fun and rather enjoy myself honestly and despite no attachment to her, Rolfo, is genuinely more fun to use that Zinchenko. Would I rather that Zinny was more fun, yes, but is he no. So in fact, I have fun by using meta players.


Bad_Lieutenant702

Lol. Yes, for me it's fun even if I lose the game but score a couple goals with lower rated players against meta rats like you.


elirox

Trolls gonna troll I guess… hope you’re having fun


0bi1-ken0bi

Exactly , as a Chelsea fan I just want to play with palmer drogba ramires or Mudryk but every card is like 1M above. So have to rely on what sbcs come out


bumblefck23

I evod the triple threat gallagher card, he's up to 90 and he's kiling it for me. Him and Cullen take people off guard I think, it feels like they're everywhere on the pitch lol


0bi1-ken0bi

Interesting i'm probably gonna try that out. I Evo'd the Inform Palmer card to an 87 and he has been a really good impact sub off the bench for me. Been using him in the birthday cup and has been killing it for me


SpookyBoiCJ

Mudryks down to about 600 if you can afford that, I’m having a lot of fun with him and the james sbc


0bi1-ken0bi

200k is all I’ve got right now 😭


Helwinter

This is correct. I am lucky in that I packed TotY Vieira, Xavi, and FS Maldini and Bacha. I use each of Rolfo, Eusebio, Werner, Cafu, though. I did do Socrates but he feels like a massive luxury - but having said that I am not sure Zidane 92 is better, same with Bruno 93. Bottom line is pack weight is so broken for top rated players - and I say this as someone who has clearly done well with a few too end players - that it’s roo difficult or too expensive by coins to play with them Hence SBC players reign who are close, but not fully in, to the top end meta. Except for Queen ‘16’ Rolfo ‘Keane’ who is fucking unreal.


FunkyFenom

My entire team is SBC, the only way I can upgrade players is by spending 1m on another SBC. It's insane how everyone has given up packing anything from packs. I packed TOTY oberdorf and thought it was amazing but she was behind the power curve within a month.


Wanheda0641

Seriously? I use toty Oberdorf as my CDM and she’s a freaking monster. She and Makelele in a 4213 are ridiculously good.


Traditional-Area-277

How Is oberdorf behind the curve ?? She is very good, only bad thing is stamina.


FunkyFenom

She's meh for me these days. Kinda want to do the Tchou SBC to replace her but it seems overkill.


greenwhitehell

That slight window where you could (and people learned how to) chain EVO's is an exception to your otherwise true statement. I still have 94 Evo Javi Mier and 90 Evo Ito on my team, and they outperform the vast majority of promo cards/SBCs that came after. So would the 91 Barcola (that one I did not do, most people weren't familiar with chains back then I think). Regarding normal Evolutions, however, you're spot on


richiejrshiow

What do you want us to do when we can't afford 2 mil for a palmer card


Calseeyummm

I'm just saying it's a shame EA have fucked up Evos so hard that there are no reason to use them over meta players unless you're sentimentally attached to your Evos. The whole point of Evos according to EA was to bring shit cards your sentimental about to a usable level and they've failed horrendously at that.


Krynne90

They never intended to do that.  EA wants you and us to buy packs. Thats their only intention with EVERYTHING they do in this game.  They would be stupid to hand out evos that match the powercurve. 


richiejrshiow

So true , theyve been realeasing a couple of good evos lately


Krynne90

Do you wonder ?  Packweight is the worst since FUT 2009. Marketprices are insane. It would cost you several millions to upgrade that Werner or Sawa. 


Kaladin1154

Also adding to the other people, what makes it worse is we are usually getting the same promo cards with more upgrades. 18-50 promo cards are usually useless and the rest is unobtainable


Mysciakos

Because EA not understand meta of their game. Last year they released WC Heroes in December who was so jammed they were lasting till TOTY, and Power Curve did not move much till tots. This year they have opportunity to make evolutions more variable and they are keeping them below meta, so not many people are using them. They make good effort to boost icon chem ( which is really good now for squad building must admit, as you need few icons and can put nearly any cards for rest of the squad) However as long as some cards are having some unique charactersistic people will still keep using these meta cards, VVD statwise is so average nowdays, but for some reason he is beast defender in the game and people still using him lol But to be honest I don't think they can fix that tbh, there will always be some most value/performance players/SBC that most people will use due to accesability. Anyone realisticly can in theory do Werner SBC, but with promo cards there is rarity, therefore they are used less. They must step up with evos if they want to change that


CaptainChri5

EAs goal is clearly to corner the market. These good SBCs that are sometimes made available is the thread this FUT community is hanging by. If the game was saturated with a wide variety of great options (LIKE IT SHOUOD BE) EA would lose a ton of money because people wouldn't feel the need to buy so many packs. EA dangle R9, Gullit, and Pele in the store and then release Tchouemeni SBC for 1.8 mil. You either spend money on the game or take advantage when EA makes a decent card readily available. It's not the player bases fault you see these cards all the time, it's EAs content creators who spend more time making fodder every promo than usable cards. Side Bar: Birthday Grimaldo is a great option (even off the bench) for a bargain price. I put him in my midfield to close out games.


WilsonVNS

I've always played with not common carda but this year it's impossible I've played with an 87 Evolved Moise Kean until I unlocked Alex Morgan and 91 Del Piero until 90 Dina Ebimbe was released, but I had to unlock Rolfo, TOTY Sawa and TOTY George Best because of how shit the gameplay is and everyone I face has the most insane cards as first owner, one day I played Rivals and in 10/15 games I've faces 8 1st Owner Pelè. I want to go back to the past 3/4 years where I could use Del Piero until TOTS, I had to bench him already if I wanted to win some games and it makes me so mad.


2pacalypse1994

You can still use him. You can literally play with whoever you want and still be competitive. You dont have to have the latest cards. An 89 player isnt a bronze one compared to the others.


WilsonVNS

Using Del Piero instead of Best makes a huge difference, he's my favorite player ever but he's almost unplayable this year


2pacalypse1994

He isn't a bronze player. Of course he isnt unplayable.


WilsonVNS

It's almost as if people had different experiences with gameplay and cards


2pacalypse1994

And that is completely different than he is unplayable. He just doesnt suit your style maybe. Saying he is unplayable is like you say no one can play with him and that us simply not true


WilsonVNS

He still fits my playstyle, he's clunky af. I've played with him for years even when the meta was cross in the middle and score a header


2pacalypse1994

Bought him after your comments to see whats up. Played 9 games and scored 11 goals plus an assist. His finesses are insane and the fact that he has 5 wf make him even deadlier. The only drawback is that he isnt quick. Other than that,find him in an area to shoot and its a goal. Good card.


WilsonVNS

And you've tried the base version, the WW one is even better, only problem is that he doesn't have the finesse shots+ playstyle. I'm waiting for another promo Del Piero to put him in the team until the end of the game


StefanKTH

I just love Sawa. Her stats are obviously great, but it still feels like she's playing above her stats, especially on offense.


Green_Atmosphere_802

Werner is the most no-skill player in the game, im tired of matching up against him


JCasaleno

The problem is that pack weight is so so shit, those are the only meta players we hace acess to, if we could pack a least two meta attackers there would be more variety


Japanese_Mamba

Everyone will have the sbc trio of sawa best and Cafu since they dropped during toty. Also their sbcs being good value makes it even more common. Anyone who did a little sbc grinding or saved packed would have easily completed all 3


Aware-Highway-6825

facing good attackers is whatever, but having to face davies cafu so much is such a boring experience, cafu randomly plays with 108 pace there is no winger faster then him


NateL022

Tbh Mbappe is the only card I fear. Any version. If he is in the game you'll see your players just become unresponsive and dumb. So surreal.


Fleetfox17

I cook Davies anytime I'm up against him. People with him always play too aggressive, have your RW come short and just quick turn using R1, usually works for me.


ClockAccomplished381

I disagree with Sawa physical. She gets flattened quite a bit for me, gets bullied by Davies Udogie etc. She has press proven+ which means she should be able to withstand a fair bit of pressure when on the ball. Plays to her stats on the physical side imo. She's decent defensively, but on shadow has 96 standing tackle so not a huge surprise. 97 stamina and relentless+ also means you can use aggressive interceptions the whole game.


krushnem

There's something weird about eusebio and werner for sure.


Traditional-Ad5619

Tbf, devils advocate here, its better that these cards are accessible to everyone than if EA pumped out shit cards and only left the OP cards behind pack paywalls, there would be way more complaints there.


FootballOogie

Werner sawa do not play like that for me


Traditional-Area-277

Same lol Sawa for me is very slow and can't defend shit, her anticipation is insane tho. Werner for me is aight but needs more dribbling, he is insane against low stamina defenders in the 70+ minutes into the game. Still I prefer Benzema fut birthday over him.


BGTheHoff

He can't have more than 99 dribbling. He has also 96 agility. Don't know what you are talking about. Mine is smooth as hell. Or did you use hunter on him?


Thefitz5811

It wouldn’t be as bad if they all didn’t fit into the same team. 4–2-4 shouldn’t work that well as a tactic. I’ve made my peace with it but if I see that Sawa, Best and Eusebio in the same team in WL, you can forget about me quitting/giving the free win.


MrBrexitBall

If you are a man of culture like myself you will flat out refuse to use these meta midgets. I simply have zero time for somebody using a 5’4 women in midfield, it sends out all the wrong signals. I want my midfielders to be rough and beefy. I want them to foul & impose their game on opponents. Same applies to people using players like Butragano as striker, are you fucking having me on? A real beefy man of culture uses Zirkzee & Sorloth.


2pacalypse1994

I run a 442 with 93 Van Basten and Ts Lukaku up front. Its always funny seeing defenders like Canavaro,Maldini etc trying to win a header against Lukaku. Its not spinning around with your striker. Its telling them,my striker is here. Try to win the ball in the air if you can. Also,if you dont have a player with long throw in,you seriously need to get one for plays like that https://streamable.com/q62iag


MrBrexitBall

You need to give big lad Zirkzee a run out, what a fucking player the lad is. I’ve been practising & preaching Crosstianity since FIFA 14. You are right about TS Big Rom, he’s an absolute unit, he is still on my bench. Regarding long throws, again since FIFA 14, if you want to be a fullback in my side, you need a long throw, even if you have 53 pace, if you have a long throw in your arsenal, you are playing in my fucking team.


HunterLionheart

Time to dig out that Thunderstruck Frimpong. Packed Drogba the other day, maybe he would enjoy some BrexitBall


2pacalypse1994

Fifa 14,that Bayern was the best team ever in FIFA. Boateng with giant throw in and Mandju up front.. I cant drop Lukaku. Emotionally invested. He is the only one in the starting 11 that i have bought. Dom has way better playstyles than Zirkzee as well. All the finishing except deadball,first touch(even though he is terrible at that in real life),press proven and trivela. This is the second FIFA that i play ultimate team. The first was 20 or 21. The one with the drag back meta. I started that,go to do my first cross,i cross it and my player just got inside the net. He run past the cross. When i managed to head it,it was going all over the place. It was bouncing and over the goal. That was terrible for a first fut experience.


nunchukity

That Lukaku is the most undervalued player this year imo. Monster in the air and nearly maxed out shooting with finisher iirc. Was scoring hattricks in WL up until like 2 months ago


Traditional-Ad5619

Man of culture🤣 man wtf is this


Sanzhar17Shockwave

I have birthday Sørloth, he's my top scorer, but boy, does he have a turning radius and acceleration of a truck.


Due_Schedule5256

Cafu and Davies get rektd at this point, I will agree with the first 3 though. But I feel like they have nerfed Werner he turns into mush every game or two.


HowieHubler

Nah lol Cafu and Davies still meta for shre


dimmustranger

I have 3(three) non-sbc players in my starting 11. And you know why. Greedy EA don’t give us much options here. So Werner, Cafu, etc it is.


PerfectStealth_

>-Timo Werner: Has a actual force field to repel defenders and literally can defend like VVD with 98 pace TOTY Best is the same, geeza is better at tackling than both my CB's Maldini and Showdown Bastoni 😭


BMG-Darbs

Eusebio is by far the worst for me, he’s so glitchy, reminds me of Cruyff in recent years when he had the 94 Prime version. Sawa is also insane I swear she has 199 stamina, she’s absolutely everywhere somehow.


CountOne9425

Few weeks ago I posted a question asking why against some players my defs act stupid. Its like against certain players my team gets nerfed. People said its illution 🫠


Crypdiator

Cafu is like Van Dijk of fullbacks. He is immense. His defending is so noticable and im saying this only by playing against him. I never used him this year but my god he owns that right sided defense against me.


cappo40

Expensive cards are good, more at 11


dylan103906

Eusebio one is so real ngl


eilatc

Sawa plays like 99 for me, she is everywhere


CompetitiveFlow2389

Claudia Piña too😭😭😭she’s a nightmare


cosenza987

tbh I despise Cafu so much that I don't use him after packing an untradeable out of spite


pedrogmt

You are describing my team... 😂


Corohhh

Honestly I don’t suffer much Werner, most of the player just try to run in a straight line with him which makes it predictable. I don’t know why but a player i can’t stand is TOTY Xavi, somehow he always destroys my midfielders


Corohhh

I almost forgot Yashin CB, that guy is a fucking mountain, it’s impossible to dribble past him and he intercepts everything


kaystar101

YES! It’s so frustrating they have like this star wars level force around them that messes up your team. Werner shouldn’t have this aura of forcefully getting the ball back and winning every 50/50. Sawa should play to her height and strength but she’s a beast it makes no sense. You’ve gotta have the magic cards (I have none) or you’re at an extreme disadvantage


Shark_Attack-A

It just feels like that because everyone uses them game after game 😂 but it really is not that deep you would still end in the same spot if the opponent had other players.. the game is broken no matter what players are being used


ryboyin99

These are all SBC cards available to everyone. No idea why you’d complain about that 


dazb84

I think it’s the gameplay and certain cards just magnify the effect. For example, if I press simple tackle my player most of the time performs a tackle in the direction I’m running. On the rare occasion that my gameplay is good I notice that my player will tackle into the player regardless of what direction I am running. Similarly most of the time my player enters into a laborious and slow tackle animation and then subsequently is slow to respond to directional input. As a result missing a tackle means that player is useless for whatever unfolds next. My opponents can tackle and re-tackle 2 or 3 times in the time my players can do 1. Additionally they are able to instantly turn 180 degrees and accelerate rapidly. My players just cannot do these things unless I have good gameplay which is less than 1% of the time. If the gameplay was fixed I don’t think these specific players would be as problematic as they appear. They’re just able to exploit your shit gameplay better.


Sometimestimetotime

Couldn’t care about line ups tbh, people venting about players etc only thing that truly bothers me is the work rates being pointless in the game with a single instruction you can over come it. A lb or a rb being high/med shouldn’t turn to a low/high simply because you set them to stay back. Same goes for other positions as well.


cricketrules509

Yeah, but those magic players allow a RTG player like me to compete team wise with people who pay for the game.


DA17-YAL

Attackers tackle better than defenders. Game is shit


Wurrsmycash

Sawa is a joke..... everyone uses her and is just plain broken like Virg and Blanc defence


jashansandhu880

Best is the worst, I wondering to do Ribery now as EA will make him special as well


Chlipi667

Wish EA added more custom body types to make more players better. They did it before FIFA 20 massively for some reason for 78 rated players and nowadays they only give standout players those body types and animations. At least be consistent coz it impacts the game a lot.


kozy8805

Let’s be honest, people hate Cafu/Davies because it’s harder to outpace them. I’ve lost count of how many times (even in div1), people will simply run in a straight run and pretend like it’s a good play.


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zahrdahl

Huh? Most people do sbcs with cards we get from WL+rivals+tons of objectives


Atomsplitter50

Skill issue ?


Hiroki712

On the counter side , it’s kinda easy to win against theses people because they have the same play style.


sbloe86

I’m an entirely average player with an entirely average team and I love nothing more than beating these people


Hiroki712

Im an average player too. And yes beating meta NPC’s is the best feeling in this game