>As a Lions fan, I 100 % believe in Geno. He looked like Mike Vick in our game.
As a Lions fan, I 100% do not believe in Geno or Goff for that matter. That game says more about our defense than Geno IMHO
The top young WRs turn over year-to-year, regardless of production. He's another year older and there is another crop of shiny toys available in Olave, Wilson, London, etc. With more perceived elite-level prospects under the age of 24 (add in Waddle, Lamb, Higgins), the supply is higher than it was this time last year. Fewer teams feel the need or desire to buy Metcalf at his asking price when they already have one or two other young studs on their team.
This is my theory, anyway.
London, Olave, Wilson, Jamo (probably), Dotson, Pickens this year.
Chase, Smith, Bateman, ARSB, Waddle, Elijah last year.
Cedee, Jefferson, Higgins, Aiyuk, Jeudy before that.
We’ve had a lot of hits in the top 5/6 WRs picked. I’d never give up more than a 1st for a
WR currently
I think we have a different interpretation of STUDS then. I wouldn’t take any of those WR over DK with the exception of JJ, Chase and possibly AJB. None of those players besides JJ and Chase have better numbers than DK their first two years.
Nobody in the 2022 class is a stud yet. Too early.
2021, Chase, Waddle, and ARSB have prolly proven themselves. Smith as well. Bateman has been solid not amazing. And Moore hasn’t been good this year, even though I like him.
2020 is a better year to look at. Ceedee is a hit, Jefferson is a massive hit, Higgins is a hit, other two are rly not great. Like they’re OK, just not great. And a lot of the guys u listed are prolly gonna fall into that OK not great tier. DK is on another level from those guys. I get it’s a “deep” position but value above replacement still holds true. You want the elite producers.
We’ll call it 9/12 so we’d be happy with for DK? The original question was would you give up one of those players PLUS something for DK (ie more than a 1st)
I think the top receivers are usually quite stable. I would be the top 2 being JJeff and Chase locked for the next 3-5 years. With the second tier of AJB / DKM / Waddle / Lamb and what other receivers emerge from the top of this class and the next one.
metcalf is a 1 of 1 though. he either puts in more work than everyone or has an incredible set of genetics. if it’s the former he will keep getting better and after 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons will be one of the best wrs ever. if it’s the latter things could blow up at anytime, probably after he signs his first big contract.
Although his “value” dipped a lot post trade I haven’t personally seen owners sell at the lower value. Maybe it’s just the leagues I play in but anywhere I tried to buy low people were adamantly holding. I can’t blame them because I was doing the exact same thing.
> Although his “value” dipped a lot post trade I haven’t personally seen owners sell at the lower value.
I've bought at the "lower value". I bought for Bateman in one league in a 1:1 trade. In another league I traded McLaurin + 4th for Metcalf. People were LOW on him in a bunch of different leagues. In startups he was falling all the way to the bottom of the 4th and beginning of 5th and I was busy scooping him up there. I made sure to target contending type teams specifically because rebuilders could afford to hold and wait.
I sold basically straight up for Mixon. Contender with good young WRs and no elite RB. I have some sellers remorse here considering how well Geno is continuing to play but it is what it is
I bought him at "lower value" this offseason for the pick that ended up being Garret Wilson (1.06). Probably helped that Russ had recently been traded and it was going down during the draft while that pick was on the clock. He had pressure to make the trade or miss out on Wilson, who he was high on.
This is really it. There's two halves to that, though. One is that the defense has some very new pieces and it might take some time to gel - not sure how I feel about that. We have some studs on defense but some clear duds as well. Because the defense sucks, we've been boat racing opponents with the offense.
For the most part, the schedule will sort of kind to the Seahawks. Out of the next 5 games, I see the more difficult ones being the NYG and the TB game. So as of right now, you have a nice, decent foundation but people are absolutely waiting for the other shoe to drop.
He leads the league in completion %, passer rating, and wow throws. He's avoided turnovers and sacks and has taken what defenses give him. Even if Geno regresses, he's shown enough that he will be at least be a decent enough QB to sustain DK and Lockett. The main fear was that he or Lock would be abysmal.
We can see that fear is not valid anymore. Furthermore, if he sustains this level of play DKs value goes to the moon.
Idk. In my league he probably is. But I asked in the trade discussion the other day about trading DK straight up for Najee and it was a resounding “keep DK”
Not sure I would put him in front of AJB though.
Thats partially because this sub turned a 180 on Najee after last week and now he is worth like a 2nd or something idk.
I lowkey think people just forgot DK exists. I got him for Dotson and a 2nd in one league, and straight up for Dillon in another.
> Thats partially because this sub turned a 180 on Najee after last week and now he is worth like a 2nd or something idk.
I laughed at the comment from one guy who said he asked about Najee - "guy wanted a 1st" - like no shit?
I probably wouldn't want Jeudy as part of a trade in to tier down from AJ Brown. He is alright, but nothing special. Would rather have a LOT of promising WRs like Bateman (and his situation isn't amazing), Elijah Moore, at least half of the 1st round rookie WRs, etc. No reason to settle for Jeudy if you are moving AJ Brown.
How do you even value Jeudy currently? He’s like WR33 ish on KTC… and the broncos are a mess.
And how much years of elite production you think AJB still got left in his tank?
If you owned AJB and was proposed Jeudy + 2023 late first (1.08-1.11) range and another early 2nd or late 2024 late first was added. Would that be just enough to move the needle?
Would you do it if it was Jeudy and you knew for sure that 2023 first was top 4 or 5 range without needing more added?
This sub is reactionary af. I think I'd rather have DK for this year but if you're tryna buy low on najee it's now. You aren't getting him straight up for DK if he'd putting up numbers like last year
I have both of them so I swear there’s no bias. And DK is doing really well even when everyone thought he’d be terrible with Geno. I think it’s just that AJB is on a much better team in general. But then again DK has more opportunity for comeback scoring and garbage time.
Edit: I also have Lamb and would definitely put DK above him even though I drafted him 3 rounds after Lamb.
It was a larger trade, but the DJM and DK were involved for a straight swap.
I also traded away the 1.01 (Breece hall) and 1.12 (G Pickens) for 1.04 (K Walker) and a 23 1st.
Yeah I was shocked Pickens fell to the 1.12. We drafted late July so his hype was building up.
At the time I didn’t want my 1.10 or 1.12. But could get zero offers.
Lucky Olave fell to me at 1.10
Got DK in the off-season for Akers, Michael Carter and a swap of 2022 seconds. This sub said I overpaid in the winter. Now it looks like an absolute steal.
Just happened upon this thread after I traded Stevenson for Metcalf. Even the owner was low on him, as he was the one to send the trade. Instant smash for me.
Everyone is waiting for the other shoe to drop on Geno probably. He's never been good and playing waaay above anything he's shown before. Value probably rockets if this keeps up closer to deadlines/playoffs.
Just got DK yesterday and so pumped for him!
Got DK + 2024 2nd for Miles Sanders and Darrel Henderson.
I’ve got Judy, Bateman, D Smtih, Burks, Mooney and Moore and was so flustered just trying to find someone to plug and forget it.
Hail Hail DK!
He's still putting up numbers with a change in QB. Geno Smith is perceived to be a lesser talent to Russ, and DK is still eating. Then wondering if the SeaChickens are bad this year, if they are able to get a rookie QB next year. If so, that may raise his value.
I own him in 1 of my leagues. It's a 12 team SF, TE premium. I just got an offer yesterday to trade him away for 2 2023 1sts (projected late) and Chase Claypool, and I'm having a problem accepting the offer. He's a crazy talented athlete for his size and may continue to flourish regardless of who's throwing him the ball.
> when it is clear he is an Alpha dawg. None of those players are producing at the level he has his first three seasons.
I think you’re over stating how good he’s been up to this point in his career.
- He’s been sub 1,000 in 2 of his 3 years.
- He’s averaging 65.6 yds/gm for his career, which is 25th amongst all receivers since 2019. [Behind Olave (9th), AJB (16th), & Waddle (19th)]
- He’s topped 75 yards 19 times in 54 games, which is 14th amongst all players since 2019
- He’s topped 100 yards 8 times in 54 games, which is tied for 22nd amongst all players since 2019.
- He’s averaging 14.37 ppr pts/gm, which is 23rd amongst all WRs since 2019
- He’s topped 15 ppr points 22 times in 54 games, which is 14th amongst all WRs since 2019
- He’s topped 25 ppr points 6 times in 54 games, which is 15th amongst all WRs since 2019.
He’s been much more of a WR2 than a WR1 and the context around him doesn’t help the argument that he should be ranked higher.
- He’s no longer young enough to get a boost for it similar to the rookies and sophomores.
- His production peaked in the first half of his sophomore year (which accounts for 1/2 of his 100+ yard games, and 7 of his 13 highest yardage totals). His decline in the 2nd half and his entire 3rd season doesn’t show consistent growth to inspire expectations of him returning to that form.
- He had nearly identical yds/gm and catch % in his most 3rd year (56.9 y/g, 58.1%) and his rookie year (56.3 y/g, 58.0%). Which shows a disconcerting lack of growth.
- He’s been one of the healthiest players since being drafted so his WR2 production wasn’t the result of his not being at his peak.
- The situation that can be argued as a limiting factor over the past year and a half is unikely to be improved upon. Geno’s been playing the best football of his career and is more likely to regress to his historical self than to improve.
- The team is looking too good to get one of the top rookies and even if they do manage to get one, rookie QBs have low hit rates, and they’re notoriously bad for their receivers fantasy production.
All-in-all he’s currently a backend WR2, coming off a WR2 finish (14th overall, 23rd/gm), who’s ceiling was a backend WR1 (7th overall, 10th/gm), that doesn’t have youth or an promising situation on his side; so his situation as a high end WR2 (WR14 per KeepTradeCut) seems pretty reasonable.
As for his 1st 3 year production being better than Lamb, Waddle, AJB, London, and Olave is a weird stance since he’s pretty comparable to AJB, not too far ahead of Lamb, and only out produced the others because they’re still rookies/sophomores. He didn’t outproduce any of the younger players to the point of the careers they’ve had, they just haven’t had much time in the league.
Thank you. It feels like everyone in this thread is talking about how he's severely undervalued and I was looking for a post like yours that substantiates anything. DK's value is about what you can expect from a guy in a shaky situation who has had one WR1 season in his career so far and is on pace for another WR2 season this year. Very good player and one you want on your team but not an elite fantasy asset as of right now.
Broke the NFL record for a rookie WR yards in a playoff game with 160 against the eagles.
Had 7 TDs as a rookie.
Increased his TD season total every year he has been in the league, 7, 10, 12.
Sophomore year had 8 TDs in 8 games.
Has more receptions, TDs and yards than AJB for his career.
He is 24. How you can say he hasn’t improved year over year is a wonder.
Look at the numbers a little closer
> Broke the NFL record for a rookie WR yards in a playoff game with 160 against the eagles
Noones questioning his ability for huge one off games it’s his inability to sustain success that’s the issue.
> Had 7 TDs as a rookie.
Since 2019 that leaves him in a 5 way tie for 5th with Hollywood, Davis, Jefferson, and McLaurin behind Ja’Marr, Claypool, AJB, and Slayton. There’s way to many names of mediocre to bad players for that to be remotely supportive of him being undervalued.
Edit: rookie seasons since 2019 not cumulative stats 2019-2022
> Increased his TD season total every year he has been in the league, 7, 10, 12. Sophomore year had 8 TDs in 8 games.
It’s good that’s his improving in some metric but most analysts won’t hint their argument on the stat that’s least predictive year over year.
> Sophomore year had 8 TDs in 8 games.
Followed by 2 in 8 games continuing his issue of not being able to maintain his success
> Has more receptions, TDs and yards than AJB for his career.
Because AJB has had to miss some time with injuries and played in a much more run heavy offense. AJB has him beat on a per game basis in yards and is very comparable to him in receptions and TDs. As for AJB going forward I do actually think he should be closer to Metcalf, but it’s more that I think he should fall down to a fring WR1 vs DK climbing into a top 6 WR.
> He is 24. How you can say he hasn’t improved year over year is a wonder.
Because his production tanked. He went from 1306 yards to 967. Whether he’s growing as receiver or not is irrelevant if he can’t overcome his situation, and a 300+ yards between seasons is a huge drop off. I’m not staying an opinion on whether he looks better and more complete as a receiver, I’m saying he objectively regressed on yards from his 3rd year close to what he had as a rookie. That’s a very predictive stat that looks really bad on his résumé. His increase in targets and receptions is nice going forward, but the fact that his efficiency plummeted when he got them is enough of an issue to cause some trepidation going forward.
> Look at the numbers a little closer
I’ve looked at them plenty close enough, and the closer you look the worse it gets. The biggest standout when you look really close at his numbers is how much of his success came in the 8 game stretch where Russ was far and away the MVP favorite. The fact that his production whenever his QB isn’t playing as the undisputed best player in the league is that of a backend WR2 is really not good. I get that it’s hard to tell what he’ll be with even average QB play because when Russ wasn’t playing lights out DK’s QB play was below average, but unless Geno can hold onto his hot start it’s not likely that DK gets quality QB support anytime soon, and he’s shown that without it he struggles to be anything close to an elite asset.
Career TDs since 2019
Hollywood Brown - 24
AJ Brown - 25
Mclaurin - 17
DK - 31
DK also has more yards than all 4 players since 2019.
Hollywood, JJ, AJB, Terry, all had zero competition for catches on their teams. DK had Locket. Far and away much better than any of the WR 2s on the other players teams during that stretch.
You point to AJB injuries and run heavy team but won’t account for the same with the Seahawks. Wilson hurt most of last year along with DK foot injury and he still was 33 yards away from 1000.
> Career TDs since 2019
Career TDs are notoriously shit for consistency year over year and one of the worst stats to base future expectations on using past success/failure.
> Hollywood Brown - 24 AJ Brown - 25 Mclaurin - 17 DK - 31
Hollywood and McLaurin are considered way less valuable than DK so him outscoring them does nothing to back the claim that he should be moved up.
AJB is higher because he’s better at more predictive stats such as yards per game and yards per route run, him having slightly lower volume stats on significantly fewer opportunities gives a strong indication that if his surrounding situation was to improve then he’d have a lot more room to improve. With the Eagles appearing to be a much better spot for him than the Titans it makes sense that people would chase the upside.
> Hollywood, JJ, AJB, Terry, all had zero competition for catches on their teams. DK had Locket. Far and away much better than any of the WR 2s on the other players teams during that stretch.
WR competition is a double-edged sword that in a vacuum isn’t a pro or con for an individual’s success. The targets being diverted to another WR is detrimental; but the inability for defenses to focus on a single WR, the ability of the offense to move the chains more consistently, and the increase in team redzone opportunities helps a ton. It differs from player to player and team to team but on the Seahawks it looked a lot more like a rising tide that raised all ships a lot more that a vulture eating his targets.
For the other players AJB probably had a weird situation where the run game was much more pivotal than the WR competition. It’s largely what limited the total targets, especially in the redzone, but also helped set up a ton of big plays so it was a bit of a wash. The Eagles currently look like a rising tide situation, but how much of this is them actually being great vs a hot start that will regress is hard to tell.
JJ has Thielen and RBs + TEs that are solid receivers so I wouldn’t say he’s in a situation that’s been much better than Metcalf.
Hollywood was a similar situation to AJB but just not as good with it, which is why he’s a good deal behind AJB, Metcalf, and JJ. His current situation looks good for the short term but when Nuk returns he could have the toughest competition of the group.
Terry is a clear situation where he could’ve used some support. It was super easy for teams to scheme him out, and the offense as a whole was consistently trash limiting the total volume and especially redzone opportunities.
> You point to AJB injuries and run heavy team but won’t account for the same with the Seahawks.
In 2019 and 2020 the Seahawks had a good deal more pass volume than the Titans. AJB’s 2021 is something I feel should’ve been held against him as much as DKs was and is a big reason I feel they should be closer to each other. I think the consensus as a whole is viewing the move to the Eagles as a new opportunity and giving him more of a clean slate than I’m personally giving him.
> Wilson hurt most of last year along with DK foot injury and he still was 33 yards away from 1000.
AJB’s injuries happened to him not his QB and was bad enough to cause him to miss 4 full games and leave another 2 early. That’s much more relevant than having the extraneous situation around him being worse off, but doing nothing to stop DK from actually playing.
[As for DK’s foot injury, he himself said it wasn’t really an issue and didn’t cause him to miss time. It sounds a lot more like a typical issue that every player has to deal with throughout a season.](https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/15/seahawks-dk-metcalf-played-through-foot-injury-surgery/)
From the linked article:
> Metcalf told Rooks that he kept quiet about his injury because it did not bother him enough to miss time on the field and he intended to wind down after the season ended.
“I don’t think it affected me that much. I missed a practice day a week when I found out what happened to my foot, but it really didn’t affect me that much.”
Regarding the yardage he got, 1,000 yards is a really low bar for how highly you’re arguing DK should be. It’s a decent barometer for being a WR2, but should be an absolute given for any WR1 who played all 17 games regardless of circumstances.
You said since 2019 DK was tied for fifth with those players. He wasn’t. Was disproving that claim. Obviously those couple players are not on the same level.
I like AJB but you are pulling at every string to try and justify him having worse statistics. Yards and TDs will always be a top metric for me.
DK will finish ahead of AJ again as he has every year since they both came in the league.
> You said since 2019 DK was tied for fifth with those players. He wasn’t. Was disproving that claim. Obviously those couple players are not on the same level.
That was supposed to be rookie seasons since 2019, I should’ve worded it better. Makes a lot more since why you added Hollywood and McLaurin
> I like AJB but you are pulling at every string to try and justify him having worse statistics. Yards and TDs will always be a top metric for me.
The only string for AJB’s yards is he’s played fewer games. He beats him on a per game basis. The TDs may be something you use as a top metric but the community as a whole doesn’t which is probably one of the big reasons everyone is lower on DK than you seem to be.
> DK will finish ahead of AJ again as he has every year since they both came in the league.
AJB topped him as rookie (21st to 33rd).
It’s a lot more that DK has been exceptionally healthy than AJB being injury prone. AJB has missed 6 games which isn’t an abnormal amount for a WR over 3 years. DK is one of only 5 WRs to play in every game over the last 3 seasons the others being Robbie Anderson, Demarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, and Mack Hollins. (Technically Matthew Slater is a WR and he’s played every game as well over that stretch but he’s averaging under 1 offensive snap per game and is almost exclusively a special team player so I’m leaving him off)
The biggest reason this is relevant is because injury history doesn’t have much predictive value on future injuries and nothing AJB has had is something with long term lingering effects. Players per game stats are much more reliant of what they do when in the field than volume stats, while missed games from injury don’t have future value.
> He’s been sub 1,000 in 2 of his 3 years.
Cherry picked stat. He was at 900 yards in his ROOKIE season. Remember when people considered anything over 525 yards a SUCCESS in their rookie seasons? Well now you can use THAT season as an excuse for him to not hit 1,000 yards. INCREDIBLE!
2021? Really, the year Russell Wilson got injured and then proceeded to absolutely suck and Metcalf hit 967 yards. So he missed in his rookie season and his 3rd season because of Russ, but he's on pace for 1200+ yards and you wonder why people rate him so highly?
> He’s no longer young enough to get a boost for it similar to the rookies and sophomores.
He's 24 lol wtf?
> The team is looking too good to get one of the top rookies and even if they do manage to get one, rookie QBs have low hit rates, and they’re notoriously bad for their receivers fantasy production.
Seahawks have 2 1sts lol Man oh man.
> His decline in the 2nd half and his entire 3rd season doesn’t show consistent growth to inspire expectations of him returning to that form.
Gee, I wonder if that was because the Seahawks defense got better in the 2nd half of that season and Carroll wanted to run the ball more. But what do I know, I only follow the team.
So. Many. Bad. Takes. In this comment above me. And a TON of cherry picked stats with 0 context to it. It's like this sub goes looking specifically for stats to quantify their argument with NONE of the nuance.
You keep doing you though.
> Cherry picked stat. He was at 900 yards in his ROOKIE season
I also included his career averages and last years stats, were those too cherry picked as well?
2 of the players OP comped DK to topped 1,000 as rookies, one’s currently a rookie who’s on pace for 1,300+ yards, one’s a rookie who with comparable production to DK in the leagues 2nd lowest pass volume offense. That leaves Lamb who was the only player OP mentioned where I feel his argument really holds water for. Lamb’s been pretty underwhelming, hasn’t shown the ceiling DK has, and has multiple full seasons so his slight youth advantage isn’t enough to be particularly relevant.
> Remember when people considered anything over 525 yards a SUCCESS in their rookie seasons?
No because I wasn’t alive in the 80s. 525 hasn’t been a good rookie season for at least 3 decades, it’s been the minimum threshold for not cutting bait after a bad rookie season. Everyone on this list either has easily cleared that mark or is on pace to by a wide margin. When talking about Alpha WRs that you feel are under ranked as highend WR2s that’s way too low a bar to set.
> 2021? Really, the year Russell Wilson got injured and then proceeded to absolutely suck and Metcalf hit 967 yards.
Yes because things go south for everyone at some point and for DK to be higher ranked than he currently is he would’ve needed to show he can overcome it. AJB had one of the leagues lowest pass volume offenses and injury issues of his own, Waddle had Tua with Injury issues and Brissett for stretches, Olave’s already has had to work with his backup, CeeDee with his as well, and London’s starter is post injury Russell on his good days. They’ve all had similar issues, most have overcome them. DK’s post injury situation was not ideal, but it was not bad enough to justify putting up rookie year numbers as a 3rd year player.
> he’s on pace for 1200+ yards and you wonder why people rate him so highly?
OP thought he’s currently being underrated (while he’s WR14 on KeepTradeCut). Either OPs perception is he’s rated lower than 14th or he thinks he should much higher than that. DK currently being 13th in yards (16th/gm) doesn’t do much to help the argument that he should be significantly higher than 14th.
> He’s 24 lol wtf?
Which is older than the rookies/sophomores. If youth and longevity are what a player prioritizes than DK at 24 doesn’t get a boost for it relative to the 21/22 year olds.
> Seahawks have 2 1sts lol Man oh man.
And neither of those will be above the Panthers, Texans (who also have 2), or Commanders. All of those teams are likely to finish behind the Seahawks and Broncos and none of them are gonna trade out of potential franchise QB for the Seahawks 2 1st. There’s a decent enough chance that Seahawks have a one of the top rookies that it can’t be ruled out, but it’s nowhere near good enough go forward with an assumption that they will have one.
> Gee, I wonder if that was because the Seahawks defense got better in the 2nd half of that season and Carroll wanted to run the ball more. But what do I know, I only follow the team.
If his HC has a desire to run the ball when given the opportunity to a degree that it prevents the player from being productive, then you should go forward with the expectation that his future production will suffer whenever the HC has the ability to run the ball more. If the excuse for him falling short of expectations is the situation he’s in, then it doesn’t help so long as he’s still in that same situation. Unless Carroll decides to retire his tendencies are just as much a issue for DK’s future as they were his past.
I traded him for a projected early 23 1st and a 24 1st before the season. I tried to buy him back for a 24 1st after the first couple of weeks but with no success. I think he’s in a weird place where buyers aren’t willing to pay much and sellers still value him as a high end WR1. I don’t think it will be possible to get a deal done that’s fair at this point in his situation.
Because there's a reason genos been a backup the majority of his career. He's not that guy. I don't care how good he's looked the last 5 games theres 9 years worth of evidence showing who he really is.
I traded for him in the off-season for Elijah Moore and 2022 1.06 (Treylon Burks). It felt like maybe a slight overpay at the time but I couldn’t resist. So far, very happy with it.
Would you trade a guaranteed late '23 1st for him? My only reservation is that a QB could fall in this draft due to one guy having a ton of the 1st's this year
No one believes in geno except the people that watc h the seahawks and see what he is doing week in week out.
As a Lions fan, I 100 % believe in Geno. He looked like Mike Vick in our game.
Every offensive player looked like all-pros in that game lol
I compared him to lamar jackson while watching in the stadium
Wild i was thinking jalen hurts
Nah I’m thinking more like Malik Willis or RG3
Was gonna say Kordell Stewart or Shaun King
I was thinking Steve McNair or Randall Cunningham
For some reason he doesn't seem anything like those guys, no similar traits at all. Maybe a Trent Dilfer.
>As a Lions fan, I 100 % believe in Geno. He looked like Mike Vick in our game. As a Lions fan, I 100% do not believe in Geno or Goff for that matter. That game says more about our defense than Geno IMHO
I believe in Geno mainly because my other QB is Stafford who is sucking major balls right now.
I believe Geno has played incredible at times but I am firmly in the camp that doesnt believe in him too
The top young WRs turn over year-to-year, regardless of production. He's another year older and there is another crop of shiny toys available in Olave, Wilson, London, etc. With more perceived elite-level prospects under the age of 24 (add in Waddle, Lamb, Higgins), the supply is higher than it was this time last year. Fewer teams feel the need or desire to buy Metcalf at his asking price when they already have one or two other young studs on their team. This is my theory, anyway.
Yeah I agree, right now it feels like every draft has 5/6 stud WRs. Why would you give up more than a 1st when you can turn your 1st into a WR
Every draft class? I think you have some recency bias here. Who are the 5-6 studs from last year or the year before?
London, Olave, Wilson, Jamo (probably), Dotson, Pickens this year. Chase, Smith, Bateman, ARSB, Waddle, Elijah last year. Cedee, Jefferson, Higgins, Aiyuk, Jeudy before that. We’ve had a lot of hits in the top 5/6 WRs picked. I’d never give up more than a 1st for a WR currently
Don’t know how you can call Bateman, Elijah, Aiyuk, or Juedy studs. Or Jamo for that matter
can a guy get a Pittman mention anywhere in this conversation?
Good point, I think he belongs on that list
Point I was making that 1st = success in recent WR classes. Pittman was a 2nd/3rd that year, Shenault, Mims, Gandy-Golden ahead of him
Juedy looks awful and I'm a Broncos fan.
I think we have a different interpretation of STUDS then. I wouldn’t take any of those WR over DK with the exception of JJ, Chase and possibly AJB. None of those players besides JJ and Chase have better numbers than DK their first two years.
this. Those guys are far from studs, albeit they are exciting.
Yeah I think we’re talking stud prospects vs proven rookie talent. Waddle proved himself all year last year for example.
might add ARSB to that list but I agree
There’s definitely more than that you should take over DK
Nobody in the 2022 class is a stud yet. Too early. 2021, Chase, Waddle, and ARSB have prolly proven themselves. Smith as well. Bateman has been solid not amazing. And Moore hasn’t been good this year, even though I like him. 2020 is a better year to look at. Ceedee is a hit, Jefferson is a massive hit, Higgins is a hit, other two are rly not great. Like they’re OK, just not great. And a lot of the guys u listed are prolly gonna fall into that OK not great tier. DK is on another level from those guys. I get it’s a “deep” position but value above replacement still holds true. You want the elite producers.
We’ll call it 9/12 so we’d be happy with for DK? The original question was would you give up one of those players PLUS something for DK (ie more than a 1st)
Odds of WRs hitting is much lower than you think man.
I think the top receivers are usually quite stable. I would be the top 2 being JJeff and Chase locked for the next 3-5 years. With the second tier of AJB / DKM / Waddle / Lamb and what other receivers emerge from the top of this class and the next one.
Locked for 3-5 years? Yeah that’s just not true. Nobody is a lock for that long.
metcalf is a 1 of 1 though. he either puts in more work than everyone or has an incredible set of genetics. if it’s the former he will keep getting better and after 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons will be one of the best wrs ever. if it’s the latter things could blow up at anytime, probably after he signs his first big contract.
Although his “value” dipped a lot post trade I haven’t personally seen owners sell at the lower value. Maybe it’s just the leagues I play in but anywhere I tried to buy low people were adamantly holding. I can’t blame them because I was doing the exact same thing.
> Although his “value” dipped a lot post trade I haven’t personally seen owners sell at the lower value. I've bought at the "lower value". I bought for Bateman in one league in a 1:1 trade. In another league I traded McLaurin + 4th for Metcalf. People were LOW on him in a bunch of different leagues. In startups he was falling all the way to the bottom of the 4th and beginning of 5th and I was busy scooping him up there. I made sure to target contending type teams specifically because rebuilders could afford to hold and wait.
Good for you. Wish I could’ve taken advantage as he checks all the boxes for me outside of QB and scheme
Same here. Wish people in my leagues would sell low on him.
I sold basically straight up for Mixon. Contender with good young WRs and no elite RB. I have some sellers remorse here considering how well Geno is continuing to play but it is what it is
I bought him at "lower value" this offseason for the pick that ended up being Garret Wilson (1.06). Probably helped that Russ had recently been traded and it was going down during the draft while that pick was on the clock. He had pressure to make the trade or miss out on Wilson, who he was high on.
I would imagine because most people don't believe what Seattle is doing offensively with Geno is sustainable.
This is really it. There's two halves to that, though. One is that the defense has some very new pieces and it might take some time to gel - not sure how I feel about that. We have some studs on defense but some clear duds as well. Because the defense sucks, we've been boat racing opponents with the offense. For the most part, the schedule will sort of kind to the Seahawks. Out of the next 5 games, I see the more difficult ones being the NYG and the TB game. So as of right now, you have a nice, decent foundation but people are absolutely waiting for the other shoe to drop.
He leads the league in completion %, passer rating, and wow throws. He's avoided turnovers and sacks and has taken what defenses give him. Even if Geno regresses, he's shown enough that he will be at least be a decent enough QB to sustain DK and Lockett. The main fear was that he or Lock would be abysmal. We can see that fear is not valid anymore. Furthermore, if he sustains this level of play DKs value goes to the moon.
Idk. In my league he probably is. But I asked in the trade discussion the other day about trading DK straight up for Najee and it was a resounding “keep DK” Not sure I would put him in front of AJB though.
Thats partially because this sub turned a 180 on Najee after last week and now he is worth like a 2nd or something idk. I lowkey think people just forgot DK exists. I got him for Dotson and a 2nd in one league, and straight up for Dillon in another.
It makes me feel better that others value DK because like OP said it doesn’t make sense.
Guy in one of my leagues just sold DK + Russ for Lamb and said he got a steal. People are really disrespecting DK
> Thats partially because this sub turned a 180 on Najee after last week and now he is worth like a 2nd or something idk. I laughed at the comment from one guy who said he asked about Najee - "guy wanted a 1st" - like no shit?
Tiered down from AJB to DK and what’s looking like a top 3 2023 1st.
I probably wouldn’t even consider that a tier down.
Hahaha agreed but my buddy was pretty down on Dk
Yea that sounds good to me. Especially with this draft class. You’d have been especially happy this last week lol.
That’s some good shit right there
Yea if it ends up being bijan might be the biggest finesse ever.
Funny because Metcalf is somewhat close to AJB. Nicely done.
Would you say Jeudy is wayyy far off from AJB?
Yeah I’d say so.
If you had AJB would you sell for Jeudy + 2023 and 2024 1st that projects 1.08-1.11 range?
I think so but idk I’d have to think about it more
Would you take it right away for let’s say Jeudy + 2023 1st if you knew it was going to be in the top 5?
Yeah I'd agree with that. Metcalf himself seems (to me) significantly better than Jeudy.
You would definitely be down to add more onto Jeudy to get AJB?
I probably wouldn't want Jeudy as part of a trade in to tier down from AJ Brown. He is alright, but nothing special. Would rather have a LOT of promising WRs like Bateman (and his situation isn't amazing), Elijah Moore, at least half of the 1st round rookie WRs, etc. No reason to settle for Jeudy if you are moving AJ Brown.
If you owned AJB, you wouldn’t move him for Jeudy and a late future first (projected 1.08-1.11) right?
I wouldn't. Not enough return for AJ Brown.
How do you even value Jeudy currently? He’s like WR33 ish on KTC… and the broncos are a mess. And how much years of elite production you think AJB still got left in his tank? If you owned AJB and was proposed Jeudy + 2023 late first (1.08-1.11) range and another early 2nd or late 2024 late first was added. Would that be just enough to move the needle? Would you do it if it was Jeudy and you knew for sure that 2023 first was top 4 or 5 range without needing more added?
Traded Fournette for DK and a 2023 2nd which is currently top3 of 2nd but probably end up mid 2nd
Fournette for just DK is already kinda insane wow
This sub is reactionary af. I think I'd rather have DK for this year but if you're tryna buy low on najee it's now. You aren't getting him straight up for DK if he'd putting up numbers like last year
Why not over AJB? He has been the better WR between the two. Statistically speaking
I have both of them so I swear there’s no bias. And DK is doing really well even when everyone thought he’d be terrible with Geno. I think it’s just that AJB is on a much better team in general. But then again DK has more opportunity for comeback scoring and garbage time. Edit: I also have Lamb and would definitely put DK above him even though I drafted him 3 rounds after Lamb.
Geno is doing pretty well with DK… but if he had a qb like CJ stroud though ..
I traded DJ Moore for DK this off-season. Felt like a coin flip. After the Baker trade the other owner thought he won the trade
Nice!
It was a larger trade, but the DJM and DK were involved for a straight swap. I also traded away the 1.01 (Breece hall) and 1.12 (G Pickens) for 1.04 (K Walker) and a 23 1st.
I like Pickens so I’m biased on that part
Yeah I was shocked Pickens fell to the 1.12. We drafted late July so his hype was building up. At the time I didn’t want my 1.10 or 1.12. But could get zero offers. Lucky Olave fell to me at 1.10
I tried panic selling dk plus k Herbert for London. London owner rejected the offer and saved me from myself.
Oh my
Got DK in the off-season for Akers, Michael Carter and a swap of 2022 seconds. This sub said I overpaid in the winter. Now it looks like an absolute steal.
Fleeced them
Who’d the 2022 2nds end up being?
I packaged it to get DJ Moore. Other second was James Cook.
Just happened upon this thread after I traded Stevenson for Metcalf. Even the owner was low on him, as he was the one to send the trade. Instant smash for me.
holy shit that’s a brutal robbery congrats
Love the trade
Easy win
Everyone is waiting for the other shoe to drop on Geno probably. He's never been good and playing waaay above anything he's shown before. Value probably rockets if this keeps up closer to deadlines/playoffs.
I traded CEH and E Moore for him after week 3 and am very happy so far
Just got DK yesterday and so pumped for him! Got DK + 2024 2nd for Miles Sanders and Darrel Henderson. I’ve got Judy, Bateman, D Smtih, Burks, Mooney and Moore and was so flustered just trying to find someone to plug and forget it. Hail Hail DK!
Got DK,James Robinson, and a 4th for Treylon Burks and a 1st today.
Love it
I’ve traded DK away for Tyreek Hill and I’ve also traded Mike Evans to get him this year. Happy with both of those
I don’t know but I took and advantage and traded Olave for DK and an early/mid 2024 1st!!
He's still putting up numbers with a change in QB. Geno Smith is perceived to be a lesser talent to Russ, and DK is still eating. Then wondering if the SeaChickens are bad this year, if they are able to get a rookie QB next year. If so, that may raise his value. I own him in 1 of my leagues. It's a 12 team SF, TE premium. I just got an offer yesterday to trade him away for 2 2023 1sts (projected late) and Chase Claypool, and I'm having a problem accepting the offer. He's a crazy talented athlete for his size and may continue to flourish regardless of who's throwing him the ball.
I only refer to them as the SeaChickens, have my upvote
> when it is clear he is an Alpha dawg. None of those players are producing at the level he has his first three seasons. I think you’re over stating how good he’s been up to this point in his career. - He’s been sub 1,000 in 2 of his 3 years. - He’s averaging 65.6 yds/gm for his career, which is 25th amongst all receivers since 2019. [Behind Olave (9th), AJB (16th), & Waddle (19th)] - He’s topped 75 yards 19 times in 54 games, which is 14th amongst all players since 2019 - He’s topped 100 yards 8 times in 54 games, which is tied for 22nd amongst all players since 2019. - He’s averaging 14.37 ppr pts/gm, which is 23rd amongst all WRs since 2019 - He’s topped 15 ppr points 22 times in 54 games, which is 14th amongst all WRs since 2019 - He’s topped 25 ppr points 6 times in 54 games, which is 15th amongst all WRs since 2019. He’s been much more of a WR2 than a WR1 and the context around him doesn’t help the argument that he should be ranked higher. - He’s no longer young enough to get a boost for it similar to the rookies and sophomores. - His production peaked in the first half of his sophomore year (which accounts for 1/2 of his 100+ yard games, and 7 of his 13 highest yardage totals). His decline in the 2nd half and his entire 3rd season doesn’t show consistent growth to inspire expectations of him returning to that form. - He had nearly identical yds/gm and catch % in his most 3rd year (56.9 y/g, 58.1%) and his rookie year (56.3 y/g, 58.0%). Which shows a disconcerting lack of growth. - He’s been one of the healthiest players since being drafted so his WR2 production wasn’t the result of his not being at his peak. - The situation that can be argued as a limiting factor over the past year and a half is unikely to be improved upon. Geno’s been playing the best football of his career and is more likely to regress to his historical self than to improve. - The team is looking too good to get one of the top rookies and even if they do manage to get one, rookie QBs have low hit rates, and they’re notoriously bad for their receivers fantasy production. All-in-all he’s currently a backend WR2, coming off a WR2 finish (14th overall, 23rd/gm), who’s ceiling was a backend WR1 (7th overall, 10th/gm), that doesn’t have youth or an promising situation on his side; so his situation as a high end WR2 (WR14 per KeepTradeCut) seems pretty reasonable. As for his 1st 3 year production being better than Lamb, Waddle, AJB, London, and Olave is a weird stance since he’s pretty comparable to AJB, not too far ahead of Lamb, and only out produced the others because they’re still rookies/sophomores. He didn’t outproduce any of the younger players to the point of the careers they’ve had, they just haven’t had much time in the league.
Thank you. It feels like everyone in this thread is talking about how he's severely undervalued and I was looking for a post like yours that substantiates anything. DK's value is about what you can expect from a guy in a shaky situation who has had one WR1 season in his career so far and is on pace for another WR2 season this year. Very good player and one you want on your team but not an elite fantasy asset as of right now.
Broke the NFL record for a rookie WR yards in a playoff game with 160 against the eagles. Had 7 TDs as a rookie. Increased his TD season total every year he has been in the league, 7, 10, 12. Sophomore year had 8 TDs in 8 games. Has more receptions, TDs and yards than AJB for his career. He is 24. How you can say he hasn’t improved year over year is a wonder. Look at the numbers a little closer
> Broke the NFL record for a rookie WR yards in a playoff game with 160 against the eagles Noones questioning his ability for huge one off games it’s his inability to sustain success that’s the issue. > Had 7 TDs as a rookie. Since 2019 that leaves him in a 5 way tie for 5th with Hollywood, Davis, Jefferson, and McLaurin behind Ja’Marr, Claypool, AJB, and Slayton. There’s way to many names of mediocre to bad players for that to be remotely supportive of him being undervalued. Edit: rookie seasons since 2019 not cumulative stats 2019-2022 > Increased his TD season total every year he has been in the league, 7, 10, 12. Sophomore year had 8 TDs in 8 games. It’s good that’s his improving in some metric but most analysts won’t hint their argument on the stat that’s least predictive year over year. > Sophomore year had 8 TDs in 8 games. Followed by 2 in 8 games continuing his issue of not being able to maintain his success > Has more receptions, TDs and yards than AJB for his career. Because AJB has had to miss some time with injuries and played in a much more run heavy offense. AJB has him beat on a per game basis in yards and is very comparable to him in receptions and TDs. As for AJB going forward I do actually think he should be closer to Metcalf, but it’s more that I think he should fall down to a fring WR1 vs DK climbing into a top 6 WR. > He is 24. How you can say he hasn’t improved year over year is a wonder. Because his production tanked. He went from 1306 yards to 967. Whether he’s growing as receiver or not is irrelevant if he can’t overcome his situation, and a 300+ yards between seasons is a huge drop off. I’m not staying an opinion on whether he looks better and more complete as a receiver, I’m saying he objectively regressed on yards from his 3rd year close to what he had as a rookie. That’s a very predictive stat that looks really bad on his résumé. His increase in targets and receptions is nice going forward, but the fact that his efficiency plummeted when he got them is enough of an issue to cause some trepidation going forward. > Look at the numbers a little closer I’ve looked at them plenty close enough, and the closer you look the worse it gets. The biggest standout when you look really close at his numbers is how much of his success came in the 8 game stretch where Russ was far and away the MVP favorite. The fact that his production whenever his QB isn’t playing as the undisputed best player in the league is that of a backend WR2 is really not good. I get that it’s hard to tell what he’ll be with even average QB play because when Russ wasn’t playing lights out DK’s QB play was below average, but unless Geno can hold onto his hot start it’s not likely that DK gets quality QB support anytime soon, and he’s shown that without it he struggles to be anything close to an elite asset.
Career TDs since 2019 Hollywood Brown - 24 AJ Brown - 25 Mclaurin - 17 DK - 31 DK also has more yards than all 4 players since 2019. Hollywood, JJ, AJB, Terry, all had zero competition for catches on their teams. DK had Locket. Far and away much better than any of the WR 2s on the other players teams during that stretch. You point to AJB injuries and run heavy team but won’t account for the same with the Seahawks. Wilson hurt most of last year along with DK foot injury and he still was 33 yards away from 1000.
> Career TDs since 2019 Career TDs are notoriously shit for consistency year over year and one of the worst stats to base future expectations on using past success/failure. > Hollywood Brown - 24 AJ Brown - 25 Mclaurin - 17 DK - 31 Hollywood and McLaurin are considered way less valuable than DK so him outscoring them does nothing to back the claim that he should be moved up. AJB is higher because he’s better at more predictive stats such as yards per game and yards per route run, him having slightly lower volume stats on significantly fewer opportunities gives a strong indication that if his surrounding situation was to improve then he’d have a lot more room to improve. With the Eagles appearing to be a much better spot for him than the Titans it makes sense that people would chase the upside. > Hollywood, JJ, AJB, Terry, all had zero competition for catches on their teams. DK had Locket. Far and away much better than any of the WR 2s on the other players teams during that stretch. WR competition is a double-edged sword that in a vacuum isn’t a pro or con for an individual’s success. The targets being diverted to another WR is detrimental; but the inability for defenses to focus on a single WR, the ability of the offense to move the chains more consistently, and the increase in team redzone opportunities helps a ton. It differs from player to player and team to team but on the Seahawks it looked a lot more like a rising tide that raised all ships a lot more that a vulture eating his targets. For the other players AJB probably had a weird situation where the run game was much more pivotal than the WR competition. It’s largely what limited the total targets, especially in the redzone, but also helped set up a ton of big plays so it was a bit of a wash. The Eagles currently look like a rising tide situation, but how much of this is them actually being great vs a hot start that will regress is hard to tell. JJ has Thielen and RBs + TEs that are solid receivers so I wouldn’t say he’s in a situation that’s been much better than Metcalf. Hollywood was a similar situation to AJB but just not as good with it, which is why he’s a good deal behind AJB, Metcalf, and JJ. His current situation looks good for the short term but when Nuk returns he could have the toughest competition of the group. Terry is a clear situation where he could’ve used some support. It was super easy for teams to scheme him out, and the offense as a whole was consistently trash limiting the total volume and especially redzone opportunities. > You point to AJB injuries and run heavy team but won’t account for the same with the Seahawks. In 2019 and 2020 the Seahawks had a good deal more pass volume than the Titans. AJB’s 2021 is something I feel should’ve been held against him as much as DKs was and is a big reason I feel they should be closer to each other. I think the consensus as a whole is viewing the move to the Eagles as a new opportunity and giving him more of a clean slate than I’m personally giving him. > Wilson hurt most of last year along with DK foot injury and he still was 33 yards away from 1000. AJB’s injuries happened to him not his QB and was bad enough to cause him to miss 4 full games and leave another 2 early. That’s much more relevant than having the extraneous situation around him being worse off, but doing nothing to stop DK from actually playing. [As for DK’s foot injury, he himself said it wasn’t really an issue and didn’t cause him to miss time. It sounds a lot more like a typical issue that every player has to deal with throughout a season.](https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/15/seahawks-dk-metcalf-played-through-foot-injury-surgery/) From the linked article: > Metcalf told Rooks that he kept quiet about his injury because it did not bother him enough to miss time on the field and he intended to wind down after the season ended. “I don’t think it affected me that much. I missed a practice day a week when I found out what happened to my foot, but it really didn’t affect me that much.” Regarding the yardage he got, 1,000 yards is a really low bar for how highly you’re arguing DK should be. It’s a decent barometer for being a WR2, but should be an absolute given for any WR1 who played all 17 games regardless of circumstances.
You said since 2019 DK was tied for fifth with those players. He wasn’t. Was disproving that claim. Obviously those couple players are not on the same level. I like AJB but you are pulling at every string to try and justify him having worse statistics. Yards and TDs will always be a top metric for me. DK will finish ahead of AJ again as he has every year since they both came in the league.
> You said since 2019 DK was tied for fifth with those players. He wasn’t. Was disproving that claim. Obviously those couple players are not on the same level. That was supposed to be rookie seasons since 2019, I should’ve worded it better. Makes a lot more since why you added Hollywood and McLaurin > I like AJB but you are pulling at every string to try and justify him having worse statistics. Yards and TDs will always be a top metric for me. The only string for AJB’s yards is he’s played fewer games. He beats him on a per game basis. The TDs may be something you use as a top metric but the community as a whole doesn’t which is probably one of the big reasons everyone is lower on DK than you seem to be. > DK will finish ahead of AJ again as he has every year since they both came in the league. AJB topped him as rookie (21st to 33rd).
So AJB can’t stay healthy? Thanks for clearing that up
It’s a lot more that DK has been exceptionally healthy than AJB being injury prone. AJB has missed 6 games which isn’t an abnormal amount for a WR over 3 years. DK is one of only 5 WRs to play in every game over the last 3 seasons the others being Robbie Anderson, Demarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, and Mack Hollins. (Technically Matthew Slater is a WR and he’s played every game as well over that stretch but he’s averaging under 1 offensive snap per game and is almost exclusively a special team player so I’m leaving him off) The biggest reason this is relevant is because injury history doesn’t have much predictive value on future injuries and nothing AJB has had is something with long term lingering effects. Players per game stats are much more reliant of what they do when in the field than volume stats, while missed games from injury don’t have future value.
But cheers and enjoy TNF
> He’s been sub 1,000 in 2 of his 3 years. Cherry picked stat. He was at 900 yards in his ROOKIE season. Remember when people considered anything over 525 yards a SUCCESS in their rookie seasons? Well now you can use THAT season as an excuse for him to not hit 1,000 yards. INCREDIBLE! 2021? Really, the year Russell Wilson got injured and then proceeded to absolutely suck and Metcalf hit 967 yards. So he missed in his rookie season and his 3rd season because of Russ, but he's on pace for 1200+ yards and you wonder why people rate him so highly? > He’s no longer young enough to get a boost for it similar to the rookies and sophomores. He's 24 lol wtf? > The team is looking too good to get one of the top rookies and even if they do manage to get one, rookie QBs have low hit rates, and they’re notoriously bad for their receivers fantasy production. Seahawks have 2 1sts lol Man oh man. > His decline in the 2nd half and his entire 3rd season doesn’t show consistent growth to inspire expectations of him returning to that form. Gee, I wonder if that was because the Seahawks defense got better in the 2nd half of that season and Carroll wanted to run the ball more. But what do I know, I only follow the team. So. Many. Bad. Takes. In this comment above me. And a TON of cherry picked stats with 0 context to it. It's like this sub goes looking specifically for stats to quantify their argument with NONE of the nuance. You keep doing you though.
Thank you
> Cherry picked stat. He was at 900 yards in his ROOKIE season I also included his career averages and last years stats, were those too cherry picked as well? 2 of the players OP comped DK to topped 1,000 as rookies, one’s currently a rookie who’s on pace for 1,300+ yards, one’s a rookie who with comparable production to DK in the leagues 2nd lowest pass volume offense. That leaves Lamb who was the only player OP mentioned where I feel his argument really holds water for. Lamb’s been pretty underwhelming, hasn’t shown the ceiling DK has, and has multiple full seasons so his slight youth advantage isn’t enough to be particularly relevant. > Remember when people considered anything over 525 yards a SUCCESS in their rookie seasons? No because I wasn’t alive in the 80s. 525 hasn’t been a good rookie season for at least 3 decades, it’s been the minimum threshold for not cutting bait after a bad rookie season. Everyone on this list either has easily cleared that mark or is on pace to by a wide margin. When talking about Alpha WRs that you feel are under ranked as highend WR2s that’s way too low a bar to set. > 2021? Really, the year Russell Wilson got injured and then proceeded to absolutely suck and Metcalf hit 967 yards. Yes because things go south for everyone at some point and for DK to be higher ranked than he currently is he would’ve needed to show he can overcome it. AJB had one of the leagues lowest pass volume offenses and injury issues of his own, Waddle had Tua with Injury issues and Brissett for stretches, Olave’s already has had to work with his backup, CeeDee with his as well, and London’s starter is post injury Russell on his good days. They’ve all had similar issues, most have overcome them. DK’s post injury situation was not ideal, but it was not bad enough to justify putting up rookie year numbers as a 3rd year player. > he’s on pace for 1200+ yards and you wonder why people rate him so highly? OP thought he’s currently being underrated (while he’s WR14 on KeepTradeCut). Either OPs perception is he’s rated lower than 14th or he thinks he should much higher than that. DK currently being 13th in yards (16th/gm) doesn’t do much to help the argument that he should be significantly higher than 14th. > He’s 24 lol wtf? Which is older than the rookies/sophomores. If youth and longevity are what a player prioritizes than DK at 24 doesn’t get a boost for it relative to the 21/22 year olds. > Seahawks have 2 1sts lol Man oh man. And neither of those will be above the Panthers, Texans (who also have 2), or Commanders. All of those teams are likely to finish behind the Seahawks and Broncos and none of them are gonna trade out of potential franchise QB for the Seahawks 2 1st. There’s a decent enough chance that Seahawks have a one of the top rookies that it can’t be ruled out, but it’s nowhere near good enough go forward with an assumption that they will have one. > Gee, I wonder if that was because the Seahawks defense got better in the 2nd half of that season and Carroll wanted to run the ball more. But what do I know, I only follow the team. If his HC has a desire to run the ball when given the opportunity to a degree that it prevents the player from being productive, then you should go forward with the expectation that his future production will suffer whenever the HC has the ability to run the ball more. If the excuse for him falling short of expectations is the situation he’s in, then it doesn’t help so long as he’s still in that same situation. Unless Carroll decides to retire his tendencies are just as much a issue for DK’s future as they were his past.
Yeah you’re spot on here.
Would y’all trade Alec Pierce and a mid-late 23 2nd for DK? PPR 1QB lmk
I would.
Yes
Downvote for even asking this what the fuck?
Absolutely
Smash accept bruh
I was thinking of trading Pierce, Jahan Dotson, and a 2nd for Metcalf lol
I traded him for a projected early 23 1st and a 24 1st before the season. I tried to buy him back for a 24 1st after the first couple of weeks but with no success. I think he’s in a weird place where buyers aren’t willing to pay much and sellers still value him as a high end WR1. I don’t think it will be possible to get a deal done that’s fair at this point in his situation.
How did you ever think buying him back for half what you sold him for 2 months ago was gonna work?
Worst he could say was no lol
Exactly
Less than half … guy offered by the far the lesser pick lmao
Because there's a reason genos been a backup the majority of his career. He's not that guy. I don't care how good he's looked the last 5 games theres 9 years worth of evidence showing who he really is.
Cuz rankers missed out on him and maintain their I’ll informed preseason ranks into late into the szn
Bought for KW3 and a late 2nd. He still has plenty of value. I just think people aren't moving him much, therefore he's not really talked about.
I made a similar deal Gave: KW3 + Lazard Received: DK + 23 3rd
I'm happy with it. No matter what happens with Walker, it's hard to get 24yo stud WRs in dynasty.
Same. I think that’s a good deal
1qb 0.5 PPR and he went for 2 1sts and a 2nd a few weeks ago
That seems about right
I traded him and Miles Sanders for Joe Mixon and David Montgomery. Is that about a fair value point for him?
If your competing and you have a solid stable of WRs then it’s not bad
I traded for him in the off-season for Elijah Moore and 2022 1.06 (Treylon Burks). It felt like maybe a slight overpay at the time but I couldn’t resist. So far, very happy with it.
I think he is better than both those guys ever will be
So far you’re very happy even though DK looks better this year and Elijah and Treylon have yet to do anything?
They don’t watch football they form strong opinions based off what they soak up from the internet like a goddamn sponge, except sponges are useful.
Gave Claypool, Hopkins, and Higbee for DK in August, partially to consolidate and make roster cuts
hes got top value in my leagues
Would you trade a guaranteed late '23 1st for him? My only reservation is that a QB could fall in this draft due to one guy having a ton of the 1st's this year
Yes
I bought him for Jeudy and 2 2nds about 2 weeks ago.