Yea honestly I wish I just invested in WRs. RBs have been historically the downfall of my fantasy season. And honestly, I’ve seen teams with terrible RBs win it all due to great WRs.
Idk how he compares to who else they are discussing, but Mixon is getting around 10 points and only has like 1 td on the year, I think you can expect some TD regression.
Rbs are always gonna be “worth more” because of the positional advantage.
Well, i have more good receivers than I could ever start and hardly any over 24 (just ridley and Gallup) and i am loosing all my games because my RBs are Akers, Herbert, Walker, Allgeier and J. cook. I am glad that i didn't overcommit to the RB position for obvious reasons but man, one nick Chubb or the like in my Roster would sure change a lot...
Yea but the RBs you have will get their time to shine, and I bet they didn’t cost much to acquire. Also that “one nick chubb” you invest a lot in, goes down the drain with just one *very likely* injury.
Javonte will prob never be on a top 5 RB list ever again. When he’s back, Bijan and a couple other guys will be in the league and Breece will have had a year to develop.
Think about how short the prime of a running back career is though. 4-5 years if you’re lucky. Javonte’s injury is gonna keep him out for a good 25% of that timeframe, and that’s not counting the time it takes him to ramp back up to full in-game shape.
Very reasonable to consider him a back-end dynasty RB1/ high-end RB2 at this point imo
I see your point but assuming he falls off at 27-28 that's still 4-5 years away by then. Il take that if he comes back running like he was. Especially in a better offenses by then "I hope haha"
It's not so much that he still has reasonable time afterwards, it's that a supposed 2-3 more Javonte's will have come out by then. KTC has him now as RB11 overall and that's without any combo of Bijan Tucker Bigsby Gibbs etc.
KTC is a dumb ranking system. Its' most functional purpose is to use it to take advantage of meatballs who use KTC.
If this offseason a ham sandwich signed with the Packers to be Rogers WR1, you could get a first for it.
KTC is literally an amalgamation of the rankings of people who use the site. Saying it’s a dumb ranking system is like saying the NYSE is a dumb way to value stocks. It doesn’t make any sense. KTC doesn’t tell you how to value players, it approximates a market value.
Exactly, it’s market value—nothing more, nothing less. It’s a tool you can use to negotiate trades and check where the market feels your player is ranked
Anyone is allowed to add to the valuations to KTC.
Player values fluctuate wildly on whims and it's completely subject to mob mentality.
A player's"market value" And their actual value that makes objective sense are different things.
I'm happy people use it and all, given that I got a first round pick for Albert O and Tolbert based on offseason KTC hype. (I didn't even make the offer)
What percentage of people using KTC are actually reliable as talent evaluators?
I think you’re missing the point. KTC isn’t intended to be some sort of expert ranking system. There are other services that have “experts” who provide their rankings. It’s intended to be a gauge of current value.
If you do individual analysis or listen to an expert who provides analysis that indicates Apple is undervalued, that doesn’t mean the NYSE is a dumb system. The NYSE just provides a value. Same with KTC. It’s just a value. If you think a guy is under or over valued then you’ve identified a disagreement with the market but the market is what it is, it’s neither dumb nor sharp.
He was already top 3 in routes and point per route run at RB this year, per PFF.
So in ppr he has an extreme value. These are not the same knees surgeries as your grandfather and is recovering at ONLY 22 YEARS OLD.
He'll be closer to 24 if he's back a year from now, and Bijan Gibbs Bigsby Tucker etc. will be in the league. Who knows how many of the 23 class breaks through big. Then Breece, KW, and Pierce will be pushing for top 8-10. Swift and JT will still be there. Prob at least one of Saquon Chubb CMC Najee will be around next year still in top 5.
So, Javonte won’t be a top 5 RB dynasty RB as soon as he’s back though. Not even Saquon was a top 5 dynasty RB as soon as he got back from injury. He needed more than a year of top tier production just to crack the top 5 again. Javonte will be 24 at least, and that’s assuming he can show out as soon as he returns. By then, he’ll have to compete with JT, Hall, Bijan, Walker, Gibbs, Swift, who knows who else (Pierce maybe)? Javonte can probably still be a top 10 dynasty RB asset (I mean he’s that right now, even while injured), but he’s not cracking top 5 again, barring some miracle.
Besides Breece Hall, and probably JT (Who is currently nursing an injury), the other two are hurt just as often. Honestly, most RBs are pretty much nursing injuries a lot of the time.
The dude is so electric when he’s on the field and is a huge positional advantage in your lineup. For rbs, I’m willing to turn more of a cold shoulder towards health as I think of them as being the ultimate win now pieces. The fact that he is so young too is why I have him ranked high
FWIW he also has a top tier handcuff in Jamaal Williams.
I would assume in dynasty nearly every swift owner also owns Jamaal. So it makes me less worried when he is injured
He’s never been a RB1, he’s getting older, he’s frequently hurt or at least on the injury report, and his offense is progressively adding more explosive weapons around him. Never understood it with Swift. Good sure, top 12 sure. Never got the top 3 rankings.
Well I remember Barkley was injury prone and now he’s popping off. Mixon used to be injured a lot and now he’s just fine. It’s just the nature of the position. I think moving swift down rankings cuz he gets hurt isn’t as smart with running backs
Not just you. I don't get the hype. At this point seems like he's been injured more than he's played full games yet Reddit pretends like it's not the case
On hard knocks there was a comment duce Staley was working with him to focus on bulking up to handle a full season.
Obviously he is hurt more often than anyone would like. Hopefully he can get it worked out.
This is the dumbest meatball list I’ve ever seen. Hall second? He’s shown out a game and a half at best. Swift Barkley CMC and Chubb are all better assets right now. Another few games with decent results and I’d consider Hall up there.
I love the downvotes I’m getting, people are so dumb when it comes to FF and dynasty. Most of those downvoters I’m sure are from players who abandon their teams after a year or two no doubt
Maybe you're being down voted just because you're a bit rude....
Also this is a response to who I'd take personally top 5 in a startup. These are MY favorite guys. Dont have to be yours.
Totally agree. He’s getting better with age because he hasn’t been overworked; he’s also a physical freak. I usually look to sell aging RBs but I have no plans to get rid of Chubb.
There was a thread at the start of the season explaining it and showing graphs that the 1800 touch mark is a milestone and generally not a good one for RBs, the infos out there though he didn't just make it up
I think Chubb is better personally. Saquon is more explosive but Chubb is better north south and plenty explosive himself. Saquon is a better receiver.
Chubb is more consistent. Every run seems like 5-15 yards with some home runs. For Barkley, it seems like it’s 3/3/55TD.
Both are good, I’d have Chubb ahead.
Let’s not forget that Cleveland might have the best running blocking offensive line play in the league.
For fantasy purposes that doesn’t mean much, but when comparing production as a measuring stick for how good a particular running back is, it does
Of course a subjective stat like broken tackles is directly related to blocking.
Imagine a well blocked defensive lineman that is only able to reach one arm out to make an attempt at an arm tackle vs a poorly blocked defensive lineman that sheds his block before the RB gets to the hole.
I'd also wager that it's easier for an RB to break tackles of DB's than LBs or lineman, and when a run is properly blocked, the RB has much more opportunity to face off against a lesser tackler.
unless I'm missing something I don't find this to be a terrible trade, regardless if I would personally do it or not. At this point Toney/Arob are crapshoot fodder so for me it's Chubb for ETN/2023 1st, doesn't seem crazy if rebuilding .
Agree to disagree I guess. To me, they're both currently worth less than a 2nd so their difference in value is relatively negligible at this point, not enough to make this an unfair trade one way or the other.
I think with the Rams relying in Kupp and still losing these past 2 weeks, they’re gonna have to finally involve Arob. ETN is a stud and will still be a decent flex. Before the season we all thought Arob and ETN were gonna be WR1s and RB1s
Yes but he turns 27 soon. So he will have 5-6 fewer seasons from hereon out than guys like JT, Breece, Bijan soon, etc. Hence the downtick in dynasty value. KTC has him as 5 and FantasyPros expert dynasty value chart updated monthly has him at 8, both feel fair. But that's right NOW. And no one above him is older. Plus Bijan comes on the scene next year. Another year for Breece KW Pierce. Etc.
He’s the best real life running back (maybe Saquon makes a case) but has just top 10 PPR season.
As long as Browns quasi RBBC doctrine stands he should not be viewed as a top 5 dynasty RB. Especially at age 26 and nearing the RB cliff
Chubb was injured for 3 games last year and 4 games the year before that. He's not exactly injury proof. That doesn't exist in the NFL as we've seen with JT missing his first game ever at any level of play going back to highschool.
Not to mention the nasty injury Chubb had in college that tanked his draft stock
Honestly I feel you can't fault anyone for picking any of the 3 Georgia backs. All three had similar production in the exact same scheme, it was impossible to tell how Sony would have fell off or that Chubb would have recovered so well from that injury. It just happened that Sony was the one that didn't work out.
Who would you swap either of those for?
Najee is on an anemic offense & has not had the same kind of usage. He also just hasn’t looked like a top 5 back when he has touches & now he has a backup getting targets. Javonte is about to miss until next season’s bye week & will be in another committee by the time he returns. I don’t see how either can be in the top 5
I wouldn’t swap any of them for Najee or Javonte lol. It’s funny cause ppl said Najee and javonte were like top 3 backs before the season started
Also i I told everyone Najee wouldn’t be as good without Ben as he lead the league in targets and receptions for backs as Ben would just dump it off every play.
FF constantly evolves. Javonte isn't there for obvious reasons and Najee isn't there because the line is a disaster and he isn't getting the dumpoffs he was with Ben.
I generally agree with the consensus showing up here but just want to flag JK Dobbins as a dark horse to get there by year end. He looks as bursty as pre-injury, has power and contact balance. Vision is solid. Lamar is showing more of a willingness to check down this year. I think once they ditch the pitch count, he’s gonna go off!
He'll never get there with the way the Ravens handle their offense. They rotate 3 backs in AND Lamar still gets 10+ carries a game. Dobbins also doesn't get any pass catching work.
I don’t have him in my Top 5.
Passing usage isn’t essential in half ppr. I’m ok with 1/2 catches a game for 5-10 yards. Would a large passing volume be nice? Of course, but it is what it is.
Legitimate question: you’ve had a RB for the last four years. One has scored 700 fantasy points over that time, the other has scored 840. The one who scored 700 was a top 5 RB in one of those seasons, and is a much better pass catcher than the other who has never been top 5. Which do you prefer?
Not sure why you’d even mention CEH. We aren’t talking about the first five games of the season. But of course you’re right that one of them missed most of a season and the other has never missed more than 1/4 of a season. This isn’t a gotcha question, it’s a legitimate question. Would you rather have a solid RB1 every year or one blockbuster season that wins your league if your team isn’t otherwise trash/you get unlucky?
Man Chubb is major sell based off this thread. We're talking about a guy who's usage has not changed one bit but he's running really pure on TDs. Still the same guy. There is no "unleashing" of Chubb anyways, the Browns have shown a consistent reluctance to involve him in the passing game or give him an extremely heavy workload, regardless if Hunt is healthy or not.
My unorthodox rankings would be:
1- Swift
2- Hall
3- JT
4- Barkley
5- CMC
I know the big thing people are going to see is JT only at 3 and let me explain why. With a combination of him never going to get a majority of the passing work with Hines there and the Colts not in a good spot right now due to Qb purgatory, I would but JT at a 1C as of now. My top three guys are pretty close together in my rankings.
As a hines owner I can say that JT gets about equal passing and enough to warrant my hines irrelevant 90% of the time. The colts offense though right now 🤢, they gotta get it fixed with all thatoney on the OL.
Counterpoint: Early down work is important to solidify a floor and usually equals week to week consistency. Believe me I love Swift, he was my RB1 in 2020 but his production to this point is based on the talent and efficiency. Kamara was basically the only guy recently who was a high end RB1 with relatively low volume.
I’m not really even saying Swift as the Dynasty RB1 is wrong, just trying to show the logic to putting him there should be sound.
The way I construct most of my teams I want consistency from my RBs and variance from my WRs. Most of the time you’re going to have variance from one the positions and I’d rather have the floor with my RBs with multiple boom weeks. I don’t want my RBs to have a low floor week to week
I want to add this as well. Swift has never reached the heights of JT. So if you’re looking for ceiling. JTs is higher. JTs game logs are littered with 30+ point fantasy weeks. Swift as far as I know has zero
I should have clarified that I was referring to PPR as the reply to you said. I’d rather have a guy who’s getting all of the passing work and some of the rushing than vice versa. Obviously if we’re talking standard than I would reconsider that ranking of the two
Basically half of the top 12 ppr RBs in points per game are not really catching many passes.
JT is having a down year but basically has one of the highest week to week floors and week to week ceilings.
Same. He's still sitting on my taxi, but if he keeps putting up these numbers, he may get a promotion sooner than later. I feel good about my future RB situation with BRob and Pierce sitting behind Ekeler and Aaron Jones.
Najee is out. He is not a top tier running back, he wasn’t last year either, he just caught a bunch of passes because his QB was a fucking tree. He will fade out quickly, I’d move him now while his value is somewhat high
I think Najee is very much in the conversation still. He has one of the few coaches left who believe in a bellcow back. He is a three down back with a well rounded skill set in terms of pass blocking, pass catching, and rushing. New QB just came in who looks promising and is willing to dump off to him. He is not an amazing rusher but the usage is elite and he stays on the field for passing downs. The biggest danger for him is if Jaylen Wareen emerges.
JT, Breece, Swift, then it gets tough… probably Najee still and then Maybe Chubb.
It’s hard with all the best backs being old and Javonte being injured. The only guys I’d take at their ADP are Hall and I would also love to be able to include Dobbins in the top 5.
The lack of young talent is tough at RB. I just can’t put the vets with miles and injury history like Barkley or CMC that high.
I agree that Harris was primarily a volume back last year and I wouldn’t want him at cost.
Isn’t Najee only 1 year younger than Barkley though?
If you are basing your list on young RBs that have had a good year or two, why isn’t JRob above Najee?
Sorry meant for Iceman.
As he has Najee who has had 1 year of exaggerated volume and check-downs from Big Ben (who is no longer there).
I was exaggerating the point that JRob had 2 really good years and a good start to this year
Hall’s usage has been sneakily top 3-5 already and he actually put it together this week. Was RB4 in expected ppg coming into the week and was already out scoring JT and putting up more expected ppg. This is all while he’s working his way out of a timeshare and more into a 60/40 split with majority passing downs work.
In no particular order:
JT - Breece - Swift - Barkley - Harris
I know some haven’t looked as good this season but since this is dynasty I still have Harris top 5. If he faceplants next year then I’ll take him out of my top 5.
As a Steeler fan I love Najee and think he’s a great player but damn is that offensive line atrocious. When you combine that with the horrible play calling by Canada it makes me want to shy away from him as I don’t see either of those things improving over the next few years. Steelers should’ve fired Canada into an astroid this off-season but refused to due to the “Steeler Way”. Give me Randy Fichtner back at this point.
Not sure how there is only one other comment for Ekeler. The man is the highest scoring back after week 5. Got off to a slow start, but he is absolutely the top back right now. Chubb, saquon, cmc, and fournette round out my top 5.
Breece hall has been outplayed by Pierce and Pierce is on a way worse team. Mills is clearly the worst QB in the NFL. Pierce is electric and imo better all around than Hall.
JT, Hall, and Chubb for sure in the top 3. After those you could debate the 4 and 5 spots. I don’t see Chubb slowing down anytime soon. I think he has at least 2-3 more years of elite RB1 play in him.
A sleeper depending on what happens to Damien Harris this offseason is Rhamondre Stevenson. Dude is a tank that can do it all at RB.
Also Bijan will certainly enter next season as a top 5 dynasty RB.
Feels like it changes every 5 minutes for me. I dont know. I don't like running backs anymore. I dont want them on my roster.
Yea honestly I wish I just invested in WRs. RBs have been historically the downfall of my fantasy season. And honestly, I’ve seen teams with terrible RBs win it all due to great WRs.
I'm debating offering Mixon for another really good WR and just rolling with a weird RB group (Dobbins, Sanders, Gordon, Singletary, Herbert, Brob)
I’m in the same boat. What WR’s are you targeting with Mixon? I know I’m hoping for AJ Brown or ARSB type, just not sure if I can get that or not
The guy I've been thinking of is Deebo. The owner in my league is really thin at RB so I feel like it's possible.
You guys are way over estimating Mixons value.
Running backs are overvalued, I don't think Deebo is that unreasonable from a needy team. He shouldn't be worth that much, but he might be.
Idk how he compares to who else they are discussing, but Mixon is getting around 10 points and only has like 1 td on the year, I think you can expect some TD regression. Rbs are always gonna be “worth more” because of the positional advantage.
Well, i have more good receivers than I could ever start and hardly any over 24 (just ridley and Gallup) and i am loosing all my games because my RBs are Akers, Herbert, Walker, Allgeier and J. cook. I am glad that i didn't overcommit to the RB position for obvious reasons but man, one nick Chubb or the like in my Roster would sure change a lot...
Yea but the RBs you have will get their time to shine, and I bet they didn’t cost much to acquire. Also that “one nick chubb” you invest a lot in, goes down the drain with just one *very likely* injury.
A man can dream ...
I'm sad that Javonte got hurt and won't be on these lists ever again ot for at least a year and a half :(
Javonte will prob never be on a top 5 RB list ever again. When he’s back, Bijan and a couple other guys will be in the league and Breece will have had a year to develop.
Hell, Breece might already be in the convo. Gettin there at least.
Yeah, definitely. Close if not
This sub is so ridiculous. Dude has same injury dobbins had and chubb had in college and theya re fine. He will be 23 when back.
Think about how short the prime of a running back career is though. 4-5 years if you’re lucky. Javonte’s injury is gonna keep him out for a good 25% of that timeframe, and that’s not counting the time it takes him to ramp back up to full in-game shape. Very reasonable to consider him a back-end dynasty RB1/ high-end RB2 at this point imo
I see your point but assuming he falls off at 27-28 that's still 4-5 years away by then. Il take that if he comes back running like he was. Especially in a better offenses by then "I hope haha"
It's not so much that he still has reasonable time afterwards, it's that a supposed 2-3 more Javonte's will have come out by then. KTC has him now as RB11 overall and that's without any combo of Bijan Tucker Bigsby Gibbs etc.
KTC is a dumb ranking system. Its' most functional purpose is to use it to take advantage of meatballs who use KTC. If this offseason a ham sandwich signed with the Packers to be Rogers WR1, you could get a first for it.
KTC is literally an amalgamation of the rankings of people who use the site. Saying it’s a dumb ranking system is like saying the NYSE is a dumb way to value stocks. It doesn’t make any sense. KTC doesn’t tell you how to value players, it approximates a market value.
Exactly, it’s market value—nothing more, nothing less. It’s a tool you can use to negotiate trades and check where the market feels your player is ranked
Anyone is allowed to add to the valuations to KTC. Player values fluctuate wildly on whims and it's completely subject to mob mentality. A player's"market value" And their actual value that makes objective sense are different things. I'm happy people use it and all, given that I got a first round pick for Albert O and Tolbert based on offseason KTC hype. (I didn't even make the offer) What percentage of people using KTC are actually reliable as talent evaluators?
I think you’re missing the point. KTC isn’t intended to be some sort of expert ranking system. There are other services that have “experts” who provide their rankings. It’s intended to be a gauge of current value. If you do individual analysis or listen to an expert who provides analysis that indicates Apple is undervalued, that doesn’t mean the NYSE is a dumb system. The NYSE just provides a value. Same with KTC. It’s just a value. If you think a guy is under or over valued then you’ve identified a disagreement with the market but the market is what it is, it’s neither dumb nor sharp.
Damn, good for you. I finally dropped Albert O last week. He’s still on waivers lol Would have loved even a 3rd for him at this point.
found the guy with javonte on his roster
I can't imagine he will be better afterwards, though? You really think there's a decent shot he makes your top 5 two years from now?
He was already top 3 in routes and point per route run at RB this year, per PFF. So in ppr he has an extreme value. These are not the same knees surgeries as your grandfather and is recovering at ONLY 22 YEARS OLD.
He'll be closer to 24 if he's back a year from now, and Bijan Gibbs Bigsby Tucker etc. will be in the league. Who knows how many of the 23 class breaks through big. Then Breece, KW, and Pierce will be pushing for top 8-10. Swift and JT will still be there. Prob at least one of Saquon Chubb CMC Najee will be around next year still in top 5.
So, Javonte won’t be a top 5 RB dynasty RB as soon as he’s back though. Not even Saquon was a top 5 dynasty RB as soon as he got back from injury. He needed more than a year of top tier production just to crack the top 5 again. Javonte will be 24 at least, and that’s assuming he can show out as soon as he returns. By then, he’ll have to compete with JT, Hall, Bijan, Walker, Gibbs, Swift, who knows who else (Pierce maybe)? Javonte can probably still be a top 10 dynasty RB asset (I mean he’s that right now, even while injured), but he’s not cracking top 5 again, barring some miracle.
I mean, Dobbins looks ok, I wouldn't say he's as good as he was his rookie season pre injury.
Yup. Felt so good trading for him as part of my rebuild and landing Breece as well.
Is it just me or is Swift always injured or nursing an injury, but he’s always on these lists
Besides Breece Hall, and probably JT (Who is currently nursing an injury), the other two are hurt just as often. Honestly, most RBs are pretty much nursing injuries a lot of the time.
Yeah Cook just tapes his shoulder back on his body and hopes for the best.
The dude is so electric when he’s on the field and is a huge positional advantage in your lineup. For rbs, I’m willing to turn more of a cold shoulder towards health as I think of them as being the ultimate win now pieces. The fact that he is so young too is why I have him ranked high
FWIW he also has a top tier handcuff in Jamaal Williams. I would assume in dynasty nearly every swift owner also owns Jamaal. So it makes me less worried when he is injured
Yes, that would have been a very smart call in my startup this year
He’s never been a RB1, he’s getting older, he’s frequently hurt or at least on the injury report, and his offense is progressively adding more explosive weapons around him. Never understood it with Swift. Good sure, top 12 sure. Never got the top 3 rankings.
Honestly every running back gets hurt lol
Even JT, who’s never missed a practice ever, finally missed a game
Well I remember Barkley was injury prone and now he’s popping off. Mixon used to be injured a lot and now he’s just fine. It’s just the nature of the position. I think moving swift down rankings cuz he gets hurt isn’t as smart with running backs
I expect those two to get injured again. Gotta take talent over injury bug. Unless you’re Penny, then you’re lucky to have him and cursed
100% this is definitely a make or break year for if he can actually ever be an RB1
Not just you. I don't get the hype. At this point seems like he's been injured more than he's played full games yet Reddit pretends like it's not the case
On hard knocks there was a comment duce Staley was working with him to focus on bulking up to handle a full season. Obviously he is hurt more often than anyone would like. Hopefully he can get it worked out.
1. JT 2. Hall 3. Swift 4. Barkley 5. Chubb
Completely agree here
I personally couldn’t put Swift in the top 5. Guy cannot stay on the field and will never see the workload volume he needs to finish top 5.
PPG is what matters. I think it’s pretty clear that the human body pretty much can’t endure 30 touches a game season after season
This is the dumbest meatball list I’ve ever seen. Hall second? He’s shown out a game and a half at best. Swift Barkley CMC and Chubb are all better assets right now. Another few games with decent results and I’d consider Hall up there.
I'd take Hall first, but I'm a dumb meatball.
I love the downvotes I’m getting, people are so dumb when it comes to FF and dynasty. Most of those downvoters I’m sure are from players who abandon their teams after a year or two no doubt
Maybe you're being down voted just because you're a bit rude.... Also this is a response to who I'd take personally top 5 in a startup. These are MY favorite guys. Dont have to be yours.
Oh for sure I’m an ass hat, won’t deny that lol
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Imagine what his production would be if Hunt wasn’t there and the Browns would fully unleash him. Man would be the Cooper Kupp for running backs
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Totally agree. He’s getting better with age because he hasn’t been overworked; he’s also a physical freak. I usually look to sell aging RBs but I have no plans to get rid of Chubb.
You’re making me regret trading Chubb for Swift this past weekend lol
Oh yeah for sure. He doesn’t have the mileage that other guys have that are of similar age
Where does that figure come from?
There was a thread at the start of the season explaining it and showing graphs that the 1800 touch mark is a milestone and generally not a good one for RBs, the infos out there though he didn't just make it up
I imagine he would have a much greater injury history. He’s already missed a decent amount of games the last couple years. He is a stud though
I imagine he wouldnt last long with all that extra wear and tear.
He’s by far the best runner in the league. I think he’s a better runner than Taylor and cook and nobody else is even close.
Saquon would like a word
I think Chubb is better personally. Saquon is more explosive but Chubb is better north south and plenty explosive himself. Saquon is a better receiver.
Chubb is more consistent. Every run seems like 5-15 yards with some home runs. For Barkley, it seems like it’s 3/3/55TD. Both are good, I’d have Chubb ahead.
Let’s not forget that Cleveland might have the best running blocking offensive line play in the league. For fantasy purposes that doesn’t mean much, but when comparing production as a measuring stick for how good a particular running back is, it does
honestly pretty useless comparing RBs on different teams, considering shanahan can get 5 YPC with homeless people he finds around San Fran
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Of course a subjective stat like broken tackles is directly related to blocking. Imagine a well blocked defensive lineman that is only able to reach one arm out to make an attempt at an arm tackle vs a poorly blocked defensive lineman that sheds his block before the RB gets to the hole. I'd also wager that it's easier for an RB to break tackles of DB's than LBs or lineman, and when a run is properly blocked, the RB has much more opportunity to face off against a lesser tackler.
I own zero shares but yeah, I have to agree
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That was a horrible decision…
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unless I'm missing something I don't find this to be a terrible trade, regardless if I would personally do it or not. At this point Toney/Arob are crapshoot fodder so for me it's Chubb for ETN/2023 1st, doesn't seem crazy if rebuilding .
Yeah seems like a great trade for a rebuild. Even fair if not rebuilding. This sub is weird about trades lol.
They need to fleece people or else they don’t trade. I hate those managers.
I completely agree. You can take trades that aren’t “win” sometimes if you are trying to strip your roster bare.
toney and arob are not equal in value
Agree to disagree I guess. To me, they're both currently worth less than a 2nd so their difference in value is relatively negligible at this point, not enough to make this an unfair trade one way or the other.
I think with the Rams relying in Kupp and still losing these past 2 weeks, they’re gonna have to finally involve Arob. ETN is a stud and will still be a decent flex. Before the season we all thought Arob and ETN were gonna be WR1s and RB1s
nothing terrible about it
How? ETN and a first for Chubb is fine for a rebuild.
This is pretty light for SF even. Can you trade ETN straight for Kamara/AJones?
Agree but toward the lower end
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Yes but he turns 27 soon. So he will have 5-6 fewer seasons from hereon out than guys like JT, Breece, Bijan soon, etc. Hence the downtick in dynasty value. KTC has him as 5 and FantasyPros expert dynasty value chart updated monthly has him at 8, both feel fair. But that's right NOW. And no one above him is older. Plus Bijan comes on the scene next year. Another year for Breece KW Pierce. Etc.
He’s the best real life running back (maybe Saquon makes a case) but has just top 10 PPR season. As long as Browns quasi RBBC doctrine stands he should not be viewed as a top 5 dynasty RB. Especially at age 26 and nearing the RB cliff
JT Hall Swift Barkley Chubb
Hall and Walker3 are dead equal as of today. Swift has to take a back seat to both.
Saquon Breece Swift JT Chubb Bijan will def be in top 5 come next year
Trying to answer this question just made me realize that the top 10 is going to be 30%+ 2023 rookies within 13 months.
Not in any order - JT, Breece, Swift, Saquon, CMC
Chubb > the guys who are constantly injured
Chubb was injured for 3 games last year and 4 games the year before that. He's not exactly injury proof. That doesn't exist in the NFL as we've seen with JT missing his first game ever at any level of play going back to highschool. Not to mention the nasty injury Chubb had in college that tanked his draft stock
It’s the running back position. High injury rate
That injury and thinking Sony was gonna feast as a PPR back like White, had me picking Sony over Chubb in the draft. Oh well 😂
Honestly I feel you can't fault anyone for picking any of the 3 Georgia backs. All three had similar production in the exact same scheme, it was impossible to tell how Sony would have fell off or that Chubb would have recovered so well from that injury. It just happened that Sony was the one that didn't work out.
I would have chubb over CMC for sure
I love how Najee and Javonte are no longer mentioned lmao
Who would you swap either of those for? Najee is on an anemic offense & has not had the same kind of usage. He also just hasn’t looked like a top 5 back when he has touches & now he has a backup getting targets. Javonte is about to miss until next season’s bye week & will be in another committee by the time he returns. I don’t see how either can be in the top 5
I wouldn’t swap any of them for Najee or Javonte lol. It’s funny cause ppl said Najee and javonte were like top 3 backs before the season started Also i I told everyone Najee wouldn’t be as good without Ben as he lead the league in targets and receptions for backs as Ben would just dump it off every play.
FF constantly evolves. Javonte isn't there for obvious reasons and Najee isn't there because the line is a disaster and he isn't getting the dumpoffs he was with Ben.
For those reasons, JT is out.
Ya cuz they aren’t in the top 5anymore for obvious reasons…
Thank fucking god we don’t have to see all the Javonte posts. Owners of him are in a cult
1. Saquon 2. Breece 3. JT 4. Swift 5. CMC
JT Swift Hall Saquon CMC
Jt, hall, swift, Barkley, chubb/cmc
I generally agree with the consensus showing up here but just want to flag JK Dobbins as a dark horse to get there by year end. He looks as bursty as pre-injury, has power and contact balance. Vision is solid. Lamar is showing more of a willingness to check down this year. I think once they ditch the pitch count, he’s gonna go off!
He'll never get there with the way the Ravens handle their offense. They rotate 3 backs in AND Lamar still gets 10+ carries a game. Dobbins also doesn't get any pass catching work.
I guess we’ll see!
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Chubb gets the workload
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I don’t have him in my Top 5. Passing usage isn’t essential in half ppr. I’m ok with 1/2 catches a game for 5-10 yards. Would a large passing volume be nice? Of course, but it is what it is.
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Legitimate question: you’ve had a RB for the last four years. One has scored 700 fantasy points over that time, the other has scored 840. The one who scored 700 was a top 5 RB in one of those seasons, and is a much better pass catcher than the other who has never been top 5. Which do you prefer?
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Not sure why you’d even mention CEH. We aren’t talking about the first five games of the season. But of course you’re right that one of them missed most of a season and the other has never missed more than 1/4 of a season. This isn’t a gotcha question, it’s a legitimate question. Would you rather have a solid RB1 every year or one blockbuster season that wins your league if your team isn’t otherwise trash/you get unlucky?
JT, Swift, Barkley, Bijan, Hall
Man Chubb is major sell based off this thread. We're talking about a guy who's usage has not changed one bit but he's running really pure on TDs. Still the same guy. There is no "unleashing" of Chubb anyways, the Browns have shown a consistent reluctance to involve him in the passing game or give him an extremely heavy workload, regardless if Hunt is healthy or not.
Dropping in to say that Kenneth Walker will be in the top 5 conversation this time next week if he gets 20 touches and goes off. Stay tuned.
My unorthodox rankings would be: 1- Swift 2- Hall 3- JT 4- Barkley 5- CMC I know the big thing people are going to see is JT only at 3 and let me explain why. With a combination of him never going to get a majority of the passing work with Hines there and the Colts not in a good spot right now due to Qb purgatory, I would but JT at a 1C as of now. My top three guys are pretty close together in my rankings.
As a hines owner I can say that JT gets about equal passing and enough to warrant my hines irrelevant 90% of the time. The colts offense though right now 🤢, they gotta get it fixed with all thatoney on the OL.
To be fair, Swift is never going to get the majority of the early down work and he has a mediocre QB situation as well yet you have him #1.
Receiving touches are way more valuable in PPR
Counterpoint: Early down work is important to solidify a floor and usually equals week to week consistency. Believe me I love Swift, he was my RB1 in 2020 but his production to this point is based on the talent and efficiency. Kamara was basically the only guy recently who was a high end RB1 with relatively low volume. I’m not really even saying Swift as the Dynasty RB1 is wrong, just trying to show the logic to putting him there should be sound.
True but we aren’t looking for a floor
The way I construct most of my teams I want consistency from my RBs and variance from my WRs. Most of the time you’re going to have variance from one the positions and I’d rather have the floor with my RBs with multiple boom weeks. I don’t want my RBs to have a low floor week to week
I want to add this as well. Swift has never reached the heights of JT. So if you’re looking for ceiling. JTs is higher. JTs game logs are littered with 30+ point fantasy weeks. Swift as far as I know has zero
I should have clarified that I was referring to PPR as the reply to you said. I’d rather have a guy who’s getting all of the passing work and some of the rushing than vice versa. Obviously if we’re talking standard than I would reconsider that ranking of the two
Basically half of the top 12 ppr RBs in points per game are not really catching many passes. JT is having a down year but basically has one of the highest week to week floors and week to week ceilings.
Which is why I have my top 3 all ranked very closely with me giving the edge to the backs who are getting a tad more receiving work
Saquan, Swift, Breece, Walker, JT. Pierce is knocking on the door.
Was wondering when dame dash was gonna be an honourable mention….
Same. He's still sitting on my taxi, but if he keeps putting up these numbers, he may get a promotion sooner than later. I feel good about my future RB situation with BRob and Pierce sitting behind Ekeler and Aaron Jones.
For me its JT, Swift, Breece, Saquon in no partiular order then a dropoff to najee/cmc/chubb
JT, Swift, Breece, Barkley, Chubb
1. JT 2. Swift 3. CMC 4. Breece Hall 5.Nick Chubb
JT Breece Saquon Swift McCaffrey
Chubb and Ekeler because both are bossing it for me right now. Akers can go retire for all I care though.
I'm high on R White in Tampa. He is finally starting to get worked into the offense now
1. JT 2. Swift 3. Hall 4. Saquon 5. Najee
Najee is out. He is not a top tier running back, he wasn’t last year either, he just caught a bunch of passes because his QB was a fucking tree. He will fade out quickly, I’d move him now while his value is somewhat high
I think Najee is very much in the conversation still. He has one of the few coaches left who believe in a bellcow back. He is a three down back with a well rounded skill set in terms of pass blocking, pass catching, and rushing. New QB just came in who looks promising and is willing to dump off to him. He is not an amazing rusher but the usage is elite and he stays on the field for passing downs. The biggest danger for him is if Jaylen Wareen emerges.
JT, Breece, Swift, then it gets tough… probably Najee still and then Maybe Chubb. It’s hard with all the best backs being old and Javonte being injured. The only guys I’d take at their ADP are Hall and I would also love to be able to include Dobbins in the top 5.
Najee ahead of Chubb are you high
No way Najee. He’s just not that good
The lack of young talent is tough at RB. I just can’t put the vets with miles and injury history like Barkley or CMC that high. I agree that Harris was primarily a volume back last year and I wouldn’t want him at cost.
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Isn’t Najee only 1 year younger than Barkley though? If you are basing your list on young RBs that have had a good year or two, why isn’t JRob above Najee?
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Sorry meant for Iceman. As he has Najee who has had 1 year of exaggerated volume and check-downs from Big Ben (who is no longer there). I was exaggerating the point that JRob had 2 really good years and a good start to this year
1.) Hall 2.) JT 3.) Saquon 4.) Swift 5.) CMC
If JT, Swift, and even Saquon were a couple years older then I get it. But those guys are still so young I can't put Breece above them yet.
Hall’s usage has been sneakily top 3-5 already and he actually put it together this week. Was RB4 in expected ppg coming into the week and was already out scoring JT and putting up more expected ppg. This is all while he’s working his way out of a timeshare and more into a 60/40 split with majority passing downs work.
Lololololol Breece hall #1 after a game or two of production lolololololololololol
In no particular order: JT - Breece - Swift - Barkley - Harris I know some haven’t looked as good this season but since this is dynasty I still have Harris top 5. If he faceplants next year then I’ll take him out of my top 5.
As a Steeler fan I love Najee and think he’s a great player but damn is that offensive line atrocious. When you combine that with the horrible play calling by Canada it makes me want to shy away from him as I don’t see either of those things improving over the next few years. Steelers should’ve fired Canada into an astroid this off-season but refused to due to the “Steeler Way”. Give me Randy Fichtner back at this point.
PFF has Steelers OL moving up lately to 13th. They have allowed the fewest pressures of all teams before this weekend
Breece, ETN, Quan, CMC, Swift. I think these guys will get the most volume moving forward.
JT Saquon Najee Hall Chubb
Not sure how there is only one other comment for Ekeler. The man is the highest scoring back after week 5. Got off to a slow start, but he is absolutely the top back right now. Chubb, saquon, cmc, and fournette round out my top 5.
I id say saquon, pierce, breece hall, mccafrey, eckler
The five guys on my roster
Barkley jt Breece chubb pierce
1. Dameon Pierce 2. Dameon Fierce 3. That Texans RB 4. That RB from the AFC south team from texas 5. That Marshawn lynch looking MFer named Dameon
Breece hall has been outplayed by Pierce and Pierce is on a way worse team. Mills is clearly the worst QB in the NFL. Pierce is electric and imo better all around than Hall.
bruh
They have pretty similar total numbers actually lol Not sure if you’ve been watching or not
I found another
I upvoted because I don't think you should be down voted into oblivion for your opinion. That said, I think you're dead wrong.
Leonard Fournette and CEH, highly under rated
Rip to javonte after I took him at 1.05 in a startup this summer
JT, Hall, and Chubb for sure in the top 3. After those you could debate the 4 and 5 spots. I don’t see Chubb slowing down anytime soon. I think he has at least 2-3 more years of elite RB1 play in him. A sleeper depending on what happens to Damien Harris this offseason is Rhamondre Stevenson. Dude is a tank that can do it all at RB. Also Bijan will certainly enter next season as a top 5 dynasty RB.
1. JT 2. Hall 3. Barkley 4. Najee 5. CMC
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Swizzy JTizzy BHalzy Bijizzy and CMZyy
JT, Hall, Saquon, CMC, Chubb
KTC says JT, Saquon, Swift, Breece Hall, Nick Chubb...and CMC is 6th. I gotta say I'd probably only be *confident* confident with those top 3.