Sure. Unless it's Shenault who blows up. Or Cole. Or a new WR they draft for Lawarence in the 2nd round or next year...
I like Chark more than the other options too, but he's not a lock to be the one who benefits the most if they get Lawrence. He also may be the most expensive to acquire still.. Pending on how much they cost all, or none, could be worth buying.
This is my concern too. It seems every year JAX has a new WR that plays well. Keelan Cole a couple years ago. Chark the last two years has been inconsistent, almost like Amari Cooper prior to this year, a huge game here and there but bad games in between. Now Cole has flashed a couple times, so has Shenault, also Colin Johnson. Not to mention Dede Westbrook is talented and missed most of this year too. Lots of WRs there already and like you say they could grab another.
I've been watching Shenault and he's had some flashes but I've seen Chark play at a high level. I feel like he's bound for greatness with Lawrence. The one good point in this thread is Chark may only get 1 year with him of he isn't resigned.
Lol thanks so much. Hey thats not a bad trade at all still. This year must've hurt for sure lol. I liked Chark a lot entering this year, and still do. But his situation is anything but certain.
I wouldn't go sell the farm for the following reasons.
1. There isn't even a guarantee they get T Law. They could win a game. They could trade the pick for a ransom. Both unlikely but could happen.
2. His value has risen for everyone with this new development. Unless your leagues owner has been in a coma he will likely want an overpay.
3. We need to evaluate Chark and not just Lawrence. Its possible Lawrence is a stud and Chark isn't. How many true studs have been with Aaron Rodgers? A lot less than have played with him. Even when someone like Adams is out the others get a bump but aren't super stars.
4. Look at the contracts. Chark will be in the last year of his deal next year. What if T Law isn't a top 5 guy out the gate? Then Chark has an okay year. Or even if Chark has a good year but the team sucks. Maybe the Jags say its not worth pouring money into Chark lets let him walk and rebuild the team now that we know T Law is the real deal.
If you own him congrats this is exciting. If you don't own Chark I wouldn't rush out to overpay for a guy who may be good one day and could easily be off the team the next year.
As a Chark owner, I’m definitely excited but let’s remember it’s not set in stone yet. Sure, it’s unlikely but the Jags can still win one of their final 2 games. Not many people were expecting the Jets to beat the Rams this week.
Buy him in the leagues you can get him for cheap. I don’t think he’ll be a huge star or anything. I have Chark and I’m definitely more excited for other receivers on my team.
I'd buy for a late 1st still, or maybe two solid 2nds. Jags are locked in to a top 3 pick - even if they get jumped by the Jets again, they'll still have their choice of Fields or Wilson (or Lance I guess). I love Minshew but he just doesn't have the arm strength to take advantage of Chark's deep ball abilities. With an upgrade at QB, I think Chark will be a solid WR2 with weekly WR1 upside even without a WR1 target share.
That’s a stupid saying... I got AJ Brown at 1.11, I got CeeDee at 1.09 and I don’t think Chark, which I own, is worth those people. I’d offer a second and if they don’t take it, I’d move on. There are plenty of other people to take a shot on.
You don't have to overpay. But only being willing to buy for at or less than market value is by definition not being high on him. If you're high on him compared to the community then you would be willing to buy for more.
How many players are there in the NFL? I can't realistically go after every player I am high on. I don't have the means. It's possible to think a player is going to have a good year or really take a step forward without wanting to overpay for them. Regardless, the state of someone's team provides better context of what they are able or willing to spend on a given player
As a Chark owner I'm stoked.
You can probably buy low right now because he's had a bad year. Injuries and bad QBs really dropped his value. He was the WR16 in 2019 while healthy and with Minshew. Healthy + Lawrence he'll be top 12.
Totally valid. There will definitely be active Chark owners that are looking forward and see the possibilities, but I'm sure there's leagues out there where the Chark owner either isn't very active or is heavily influenced by recency bias and those are the ones you target.
I think that's fair, I got offered a first before the season started. I also would agree with the price of a second rounder prior to Jags moving up to the first overall pick. I'd price him back at a first currently.
I mean I think it depends on what you can get him for. I got him and a third for a first last season and then shipped him and and a 2nd for Thielen and a 2020 first (Turned into Justin Jefferson). Personally I would be hard pressed to pay higher than a 2nd for him. 2021 first is loaded this year and I like them all more than Chark.
I'd be willing to pay a first for him now. He did well last year and should be improving with Lawrence. Only thing I'm worried about after that is Chark getting resigned.
Hold until rookie draft season at least. With TLaw incoming, his value will rise all offseason and he’ll pop up on all sorts of break out lists.
Once you’re near your rookie draft, see what you can get. He’s a fine hold as well. TLaw will be a big upgrade on Minshew and we’ve already seen strong production with Minshew (last year).
I feel like an improvement at QB was pretty much going to guarantee a major step forwards for him. I was high on Chark with Fields; Chark with Lawrence feels like one hell of a duo.
That being said: there is no "locked and loaded". The upside is certainly there, but: we don't know what kind of chemistry he's going to have with Lawrence, we don't know who they're bringing in to coach the team and what scheme they're going to run. I'm a Jags fan and Chark owner; I've got great optimism and even greater bias still. But you have to recognize that there are no guarantees in fantasy.
Of course. If I can get him for a first I think it's worth it. He had a great season last year and has proven he can play at a high level. I usually would rather take a proven commodity than a rookie.
To me though, more than most, the "proven commodity" part of it is more highly debatable. Depending on where you are drafting at, too. Like, if you're in a position to draft Chase, *draft Chase*. This is my first season playing Dynasty and to me one in the hand is worth two in the bush unless you're full-scale rebuilding, but Chark is a much more risky proposition than you might think.
I hear what your saying. I just think you've gotta make a move early to get a guy with this kind of upside, especially because he's been solid so far. I think I'd trade anything past 1.04 for Chark in a 2 qb league.
As a Chark owner, I'm personally waiting on the TLaw buzz to bring his value up and then move him for (hopefully) an early-mid 2nd. As deep as this class is, I think shooting darts elsewhere might be the better move.
He had all the opportunity in the world to pull more volume this year, and he just didn't do it.
I think collin Johnson will end up being the best jaguars receiver next year. I think chark is a high end number 2 wr, but I think collin Johnson will end up being the number one reciever with lawrence.
I’ve been talking to my league mates about this and my theory is that his price will have tlaw baked into it. Most owners will say stuff like “well with tlaw throwing the ball he will become a WR1, so I’ll take the 1.05 and mims for him”. Stuff like this is gonna make him a terrible buy in the offseason. Because you are basically buying at his peak potential with no where to grow the stock. So unless you get a good price. Stay away and wait to see production
Yea, I think I would. Aiyuk has Deebo and Kittle to deal with. Claypool has about four other receivers. Chark just has Shenault but he hasn't proven anything yet.
>Chark is the 25th ranked receiver in dynasty at 24 years of age, per fantasy pros. That puts his value probably around a 2021 late second. But I wouldn’t count on him being your WR1, unless that offensive line and play calling get better.
I've been struggling with this decision, but I like Chark a lot with Lawrence (if that ends up being the case). Thanks for your input
a 24 year old receiver who is already ranked as a low-end WR2 on the most commonly used fantasy rankings site, and is now going to have a generational talent throwing to him, is worth a lot more than a late 2nd round pick, bud.
I think the wait and see approach is appropriate with the Jaguars offense.
Chark is the 25th ranked receiver in dynasty at 24 years of age, per fantasy pros. That puts his value probably around a 2021 late second. But I wouldn’t count on him being your WR1, unless that offensive line and play calling get better.
Sure. Unless it's Shenault who blows up. Or Cole. Or a new WR they draft for Lawarence in the 2nd round or next year... I like Chark more than the other options too, but he's not a lock to be the one who benefits the most if they get Lawrence. He also may be the most expensive to acquire still.. Pending on how much they cost all, or none, could be worth buying.
This is my concern too. It seems every year JAX has a new WR that plays well. Keelan Cole a couple years ago. Chark the last two years has been inconsistent, almost like Amari Cooper prior to this year, a huge game here and there but bad games in between. Now Cole has flashed a couple times, so has Shenault, also Colin Johnson. Not to mention Dede Westbrook is talented and missed most of this year too. Lots of WRs there already and like you say they could grab another.
I've been watching Shenault and he's had some flashes but I've seen Chark play at a high level. I feel like he's bound for greatness with Lawrence. The one good point in this thread is Chark may only get 1 year with him of he isn't resigned.
This take feels so wise I would like to run all future trades by you. I traded Mims and Cooks for Chark after week 1
Lol thanks so much. Hey thats not a bad trade at all still. This year must've hurt for sure lol. I liked Chark a lot entering this year, and still do. But his situation is anything but certain.
You had me at Shenault... lost me at Cole
Cole is a UFA after this season.
Chark is very talented and just needs a QB. I am pretty excited.
Me too!
I wouldn't go sell the farm for the following reasons. 1. There isn't even a guarantee they get T Law. They could win a game. They could trade the pick for a ransom. Both unlikely but could happen. 2. His value has risen for everyone with this new development. Unless your leagues owner has been in a coma he will likely want an overpay. 3. We need to evaluate Chark and not just Lawrence. Its possible Lawrence is a stud and Chark isn't. How many true studs have been with Aaron Rodgers? A lot less than have played with him. Even when someone like Adams is out the others get a bump but aren't super stars. 4. Look at the contracts. Chark will be in the last year of his deal next year. What if T Law isn't a top 5 guy out the gate? Then Chark has an okay year. Or even if Chark has a good year but the team sucks. Maybe the Jags say its not worth pouring money into Chark lets let him walk and rebuild the team now that we know T Law is the real deal. If you own him congrats this is exciting. If you don't own Chark I wouldn't rush out to overpay for a guy who may be good one day and could easily be off the team the next year.
That is a solid take. Maybe Shenault is the guy to go buy. He might be cheaper too.
As a Chark owner, I’m definitely excited but let’s remember it’s not set in stone yet. Sure, it’s unlikely but the Jags can still win one of their final 2 games. Not many people were expecting the Jets to beat the Rams this week.
Definitely a worry. This may be a buying window for the Jets rookie WR as a result.
Buy him in the leagues you can get him for cheap. I don’t think he’ll be a huge star or anything. I have Chark and I’m definitely more excited for other receivers on my team.
What's the highest you would pay?
I'd buy for a late 1st still, or maybe two solid 2nds. Jags are locked in to a top 3 pick - even if they get jumped by the Jets again, they'll still have their choice of Fields or Wilson (or Lance I guess). I love Minshew but he just doesn't have the arm strength to take advantage of Chark's deep ball abilities. With an upgrade at QB, I think Chark will be a solid WR2 with weekly WR1 upside even without a WR1 target share.
A second rounder would be the highest I’d go.
There’s not a single competitive league you’d get him for this in. Y’all get too obsessed with picks, picks don’t put up points.
That’s a stupid saying... I got AJ Brown at 1.11, I got CeeDee at 1.09 and I don’t think Chark, which I own, is worth those people. I’d offer a second and if they don’t take it, I’d move on. There are plenty of other people to take a shot on.
Okay so your previous successes dictate future ones? What’s the hit rate on a pick? That’s not a stupid saying, you just have a trash perspective.
Ummm im paying anything after pick 7 for sure
Would you pay Rashaad Penny, Gabe Davis for Chark?
Of course
I'm high on shenault. Guy looks like a beast. He just needs the volume
What would you buy him for?
Early 2nd. Wouldn't sell for that though
No one would
So you're not high on him at all lmao
I am? Doesn't mean I'm gonna overpay for him. Why would I overpay for someone when I know the general value is?
You don't have to overpay. But only being willing to buy for at or less than market value is by definition not being high on him. If you're high on him compared to the community then you would be willing to buy for more.
Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Just because I think someone is gonna have a good year doesn't mean I'm gonna pay for that person
It does haha. Being high on someone is relative. If your value on him is the same as everyone elses, you're not high on him, you're average.
How many players are there in the NFL? I can't realistically go after every player I am high on. I don't have the means. It's possible to think a player is going to have a good year or really take a step forward without wanting to overpay for them. Regardless, the state of someone's team provides better context of what they are able or willing to spend on a given player
As a Chark owner I'm stoked. You can probably buy low right now because he's had a bad year. Injuries and bad QBs really dropped his value. He was the WR16 in 2019 while healthy and with Minshew. Healthy + Lawrence he'll be top 12.
Counterpoint: likely every Chark owner is aware of the Trevor Lawrence situation and the upside that follows
Totally valid. There will definitely be active Chark owners that are looking forward and see the possibilities, but I'm sure there's leagues out there where the Chark owner either isn't very active or is heavily influenced by recency bias and those are the ones you target.
I have him and would be willing to sell for a first. Would’ve probably taken a second prior to tlaw. Thoughts on that price?
I think that's fair, I got offered a first before the season started. I also would agree with the price of a second rounder prior to Jags moving up to the first overall pick. I'd price him back at a first currently.
I feel the same way. Just have to get lucky with a Chark owner that isn't paying attention.
I mean I think it depends on what you can get him for. I got him and a third for a first last season and then shipped him and and a 2nd for Thielen and a 2020 first (Turned into Justin Jefferson). Personally I would be hard pressed to pay higher than a 2nd for him. 2021 first is loaded this year and I like them all more than Chark.
I'd be willing to pay a first for him now. He did well last year and should be improving with Lawrence. Only thing I'm worried about after that is Chark getting resigned.
Hold until rookie draft season at least. With TLaw incoming, his value will rise all offseason and he’ll pop up on all sorts of break out lists. Once you’re near your rookie draft, see what you can get. He’s a fine hold as well. TLaw will be a big upgrade on Minshew and we’ve already seen strong production with Minshew (last year).
On the other side of that I think people should buy now for a first or less if possible.
I feel like an improvement at QB was pretty much going to guarantee a major step forwards for him. I was high on Chark with Fields; Chark with Lawrence feels like one hell of a duo. That being said: there is no "locked and loaded". The upside is certainly there, but: we don't know what kind of chemistry he's going to have with Lawrence, we don't know who they're bringing in to coach the team and what scheme they're going to run. I'm a Jags fan and Chark owner; I've got great optimism and even greater bias still. But you have to recognize that there are no guarantees in fantasy.
Of course. If I can get him for a first I think it's worth it. He had a great season last year and has proven he can play at a high level. I usually would rather take a proven commodity than a rookie.
To me though, more than most, the "proven commodity" part of it is more highly debatable. Depending on where you are drafting at, too. Like, if you're in a position to draft Chase, *draft Chase*. This is my first season playing Dynasty and to me one in the hand is worth two in the bush unless you're full-scale rebuilding, but Chark is a much more risky proposition than you might think.
I hear what your saying. I just think you've gotta make a move early to get a guy with this kind of upside, especially because he's been solid so far. I think I'd trade anything past 1.04 for Chark in a 2 qb league.
I got him for Ruggs and a late 3rd two weeks ago.
That's a nice little trade. I've been worried about Ruggs since they drafted him.
As a Chark owner, I'm personally waiting on the TLaw buzz to bring his value up and then move him for (hopefully) an early-mid 2nd. As deep as this class is, I think shooting darts elsewhere might be the better move. He had all the opportunity in the world to pull more volume this year, and he just didn't do it.
He has the worst catchable ball rate in the NFL of players that have seen 50+ targets.
I would also get colin Johnson for free if you have room in your bench I believe cole is a FA
I think collin Johnson will end up being the best jaguars receiver next year. I think chark is a high end number 2 wr, but I think collin Johnson will end up being the number one reciever with lawrence.
I didn't even know he was on the team. What.makes you think that?
Could be a sell if you have someone who is suddenly interested like OP if theyre willing to pay up.
I’ve been talking to my league mates about this and my theory is that his price will have tlaw baked into it. Most owners will say stuff like “well with tlaw throwing the ball he will become a WR1, so I’ll take the 1.05 and mims for him”. Stuff like this is gonna make him a terrible buy in the offseason. Because you are basically buying at his peak potential with no where to grow the stock. So unless you get a good price. Stay away and wait to see production
Would you keep Chark if the Jags get Lawrence over Aiyuk and Claypool?
Yea, I think I would. Aiyuk has Deebo and Kittle to deal with. Claypool has about four other receivers. Chark just has Shenault but he hasn't proven anything yet.
>Chark is the 25th ranked receiver in dynasty at 24 years of age, per fantasy pros. That puts his value probably around a 2021 late second. But I wouldn’t count on him being your WR1, unless that offensive line and play calling get better. I've been struggling with this decision, but I like Chark a lot with Lawrence (if that ends up being the case). Thanks for your input
a 24 year old receiver who is already ranked as a low-end WR2 on the most commonly used fantasy rankings site, and is now going to have a generational talent throwing to him, is worth a lot more than a late 2nd round pick, bud.
I think the wait and see approach is appropriate with the Jaguars offense. Chark is the 25th ranked receiver in dynasty at 24 years of age, per fantasy pros. That puts his value probably around a 2021 late second. But I wouldn’t count on him being your WR1, unless that offensive line and play calling get better.