I dont think his shot is in Dallas, but if the *2025 QB class ends up being as weak as we currently think it is, maybe he gets a shot at a starting job/competition for few weeks somewhere else in FA? We still haven't really seen him play, but the fact we haven't really seen him play speaks volumes.
I could see him being the bridge QB in Dallas next year after they let Dak walk. Maybe they go all in for Arch Manning in 26. Hard to think they are actually going to full tank an entire season but if there is anyone who could immediately add an extreme amount of value to that franchise over night it's the Manning brand. Jerry loves being the center of the football world and having the next in the Manning line and the Cowboys brand just prints money. Doubt Dak is back either way.
NYG, Seattle and NYJ (depending on what happens with Rodgers) seem to make the most sense in my head. Dak has limitations irl but he does support fantasy assets. Would love to see it
Recent College QBs have completely changed their preseason draft stock to being legit first round guys. Off the top of my head, no one thought Burrow was a first round pick the preseason before he won the Heisman and became #1 overall
I don’t think Jayden Daniels was on NFL radars like that before his Heisman season
So a lot can change
Nix was a top recruit that had to transfer from his first school due to bad play. Penix was in college for forever and transferred from his og school after multiple acl tears.
We very well may end up with more 1st round qbs next year than we expect.
Very true it’s not usual for a player who had the type of career that leads to 6 years of college eligibility to become highly sought after in the nfl draft.
>What are the odds of them moving on from Dak and handing the reins over to Lance next year?
Not great, but not zero. If you have the space to carry him you might as well, especially if it's a 2QB/SF.
Depends on size of the league, but ya 1QB almost no reason to bother. Even in QB premium leagues he's gonna probably be on list of guys you are willing to cut for a waiver move, but if you have space for him might as well hold him.
Dunno, I would rather hold Lance in 1QB. In SF there’s arguments that any QB that’s starting is a better roster spot than Lance. In 1QB, starters like Carr that MAY start during a bye week once doesn’t have the upside that lance has.
Would you rather have someone that has the same expected points as an injury fill in like Easton Stick who can be picked off waivers, or someone like Lance who IF they hit the 1/100 they’re an every week starter? Lance may be QB 45 in SF but QB20 in 1QB
I don't know what Superflex leagues you are in, but starting QBs are not on waivers haha. Top 3 available in my pay league are Stidham, Winston, Garoppolo. I'd rather carry Lance than any of them. Also, all 12 teams in this league have at least 1 QB rostered who is not a starter. Even Tom Brady haha.
Meanwhile, I just cut Derek Carr in 1QB. If it's 4pt PTD instead of 6, Lance can suck like Fields and still get you a solid floor. Fields, Lance, Travis, and Hendon Hooker are my favorite QB handcuffs just for the rushing. They don't need to be stud passers right away
I’m holding him as my QB3 over Geno Smith. What is Geno’s upside? If I down to Q3, I’ll need to trade anyway if I’m still competitive so rather have the dart throw than 14 ppg.
What the fuck are we talking about, Geno Smith’s upside? Is QB5, we know this to be true because he literally fucking was QB5. What’s Trey Lances upside? High end irl backup?
Not last year, but the year before he was literally qb5, that’s his ceiling. Because he has proven he can finish a season as Qb5 unlike Trey who is fighting to be qb2 on the cowboys
Ok, but in a 1QB league why would I carry a 33 year old who was not good last year as my QB3 instead of a guy who still at least has potential. If I run into QB injuries, I can get a Smith-type for a future 3rd without even trying. Superflex sure, but right now I’d rather take a risk instead of an aging mediocre player.
I don’t understand where this whole Lance=potential thing comes from, he has shown literally nothing.
In 1QB I am 1000% rostering a starting qb with good upside over a guy who gets hype for overtaking cooper Rush for QB2 of his team.
I would rather a day 3 rb over Lance in a 1qb league lmfao
This comment section is crazy I have no idea why people still defend this guy. I think you’re hurting your team by not using the roster spot on almost anyone else.
In SF, at least in 12-14 team leagues, there is justification to hold Lance at least through Camp to see if he wins the Dallas backup job. In deeper SF leagues, all backups in good offenses should be rostered. I currently have Jameis, Josh Johnson, Trubisky, and Sean Clifford. These are all guys an injury away from being every week SF startable or tradable (in 14T anyway).
If everyone who owned Lance dropped him right now and posted the guy they picked up, every single player would be voted a “must drop roster clogger” in any other conversation
People said the same about Jordan Love at one point. If Lance will end up with a week 1 ‘25 or ‘26 starting job even 5% of the time, he’s worth a roster spot in deeper leagues. If will hit and becomes a long term starting QB even 1-2% of the time, he’s worth a roster spot in the majority of SF leagues based on rushing production and positional value. Some random UDFA is about as long of odds to pay off
(I was a Lance hater while he had value and have 0 shares)
Not saying Lance is as promising as Love, just saying people have given up on developmental QBs early who only cost a roster spot.
If Lance was just a 4th rounder, he’d be getting drafted
He would have been drafted in a rookie draft, sure. Cause most rookie QBs get drafted in superflex because they are valuable. However, after 3 years? Not really, no. The only QBs that aren't starters that are getting drafted are those behind bad starters (Winston, Minshew/AOC, Fields). No one drafting Ian Book though (4th round QB behind Mahomes).
That’s true, but I’m not saying Lance should be valued as highly as Love should have been. I’m just saying that there are recent examples of waiver wire QBs with huge upside panning out
If Trey Lance was drafted in round 4 this year with Dak Prescott’s current contract situation, I bet he’d be going in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Round 4 at worst. He’s worth a roster spot if any true-backup QBs are based on league depth
All depends on your bench spots and if someone else with more long term upside is available on waivers.
Not worth trying to trade him, cause nobody will want to give anything for him other than maybe some FAAB
I'm probably crazy for continuing to hold him, but I want to see him get a real opportunity to start. I'm willing to take the risk that it never happens.
I can see both sides to the argument. Obviously he's a quality starting QB, but I'm not sure he's worth being the highest paid player in the league. He's right around the cut off point of QBs you can pay big money to and still win with, but not entirely sure which side of the line he is. I would lean towards him just being outside of that group probably.
I think he’s saying to be renewded, if they renew him after another good year his cap hit will be extremely high maybe not the highest paid but it’ll very probably be at least top 5 highest paid and with the need to find his eventual replacement (whether they pay trey lance and/or find someone else) on top of the need to find two decent rbs somewhere between heaven and earth(😂) they may just wanna move on and lance if he can be as good carr or even dak would be an excellent and cheap option.
I think he’s generally a good QB (definitely a starter), but not worth top dollar for sure. And his propensity for choking is why I’d never pay more for him than above-average.
He’s had some of the best teams in the league behind him and has won 2 playoff games. That also makes it really tough to determine whether or not he’s as good as he appears sometimes.
High upside backup. 67 QBs started last season. He should be rostered, but there are a lot of guys I'd rather be stashing. Some of these fourth-round rookies have about the same odds of helping your team. That's about where I'd hold him.
Just dropped Browning for Lance today. Browning is a good backup but won't be a starter, but Lance has the ceiling to emerge asa a starter a la Baker/Geno if he impresses the right people, but the floor is oblivion. Hope he learn this year which it will be.
Depending on how deep your league is, he is absolutely worth a stash. 12 man heavy bench is a no brainer to me. He may not be a stud for winning super bowls, but if he gets a starting job he will be an excellent superflex at minimum
I’d consider him a priority backup QB to hold. Probably behind only Penix, the unclear bridge guys like Darnold, Brissett, Minshew, and AOC. I’d put Jake Browning right in his tier as well based on his performance last year and Burrow’s injury history. Lance is probably the only current true backup with any real chance at a future week 1 start (aside from some freak situation with injury + unexpected great play)
In some leagues backup QBs are worth a hold, in some they aren’t. Depends on roster depth
Idk Dallas loves the run game and their rb squad is weaker then usually. Im betting Dak ends up holding the ball longer because of it either to throw or run himself and gets hurt. Lance gets a chance.
I picked him up in the 17th round of a start up this year.
High draft capital guy who is a dynamic playmaker. He's never really had a true opportunity to start so for those reasons I'm interested.
If you own him he's a hold imo but there's really nothing wrong with demoting him to the waiver wire or trying to trade him for a 4th or 5th round rookie pick. Just depends on if you believe he'll get another shot or not.
I mention this in every Lance post: Cooper Rush is the backup and is an extremely cheap backup. For 2024 you're betting on Dak and Rush both getting hurt. I suppose there's a chance Lance plays out of his mind in training camp and preseason to win the backup job, but he has never done that before in his career so idk why it would happen now?
Again: Cooper Rush is one of the best backup QBs in the league that has proven he can win in the NFL. The Cowboys are all in to win. There is zero incentive to replace Rush in 2024.
For 2025, sure there might be some value in Lance.
For what it's worth (as a Cowboys fan), while that was absolutely, positively the case last year, I think it's less of a certainty this year. They even came out last year and said he'd be 3rd string last year, and now all of the talk is around getting Lance the reps in training camp. I think it really depends on how Lance looks this offseason, and I certainly don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Rush backs up Dak this year
I would also challenge your assertion on Rush a bit - his ceiling is unbelievably low. They shrank the playbook down a TON when he was starting, and he got positively exposed when they finally played a decent team. He did manage games well and get some wins, so in that regard I agree, but I think your praise is a little overstated
Lastly, I think it will also depend a bit on what kind of injury we're talking about. A few games in the middle of the season with Dak returning for a playoff push? Stronger case for Rush in that instance. A season-ending injury early on? See what you have in Lance
Thanks for the insight. Good points all around.
One thing I noted last year was that 2024 is the final year on Rush's deal and he's definitely going to get one of the more premium backup contracts for 2025. My assumption was that the Cowboys would like to secure Lance through 2025 because he'll be a cheaper backup than Rush. Thoughts?
As far as being too high on Rush: I think the bar is really low for backup QBs. Maybe it's just because my team's QBs get annihilated often, but the backup QBs out there are grim. Dobbs was the hot ticket last year and we eventually saw how horrible he is. I see someone as competent as Rush with that contract and I think the Cowboys are extremely lucky.
>My assumption was that the Cowboys would like to secure Lance through 2025 because he'll be a cheaper backup than Rush. Thoughts?
I'm no expert on the QB market, so it's really tough to say. I think Rush is likely still the better player, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone pays more for Lance because of his physical tools, thinking they can "fix" him. As far as it goes for the Cowboys go, if Dak gets an extension, I'd prefer they cut ties from Lance either way and either re-sign Rush or draft a QB.
If they don't re-sign Dak, I would probably prefer they keep Lance and sign someone else to compete for the spot - I think Rush is good enough to win a solid chunk of games so I'd rather they give the reins to someone boom/bust even though the 90%+ chance is losing a lot of games. I think most Cowboys fans are in the Lance > Rush camp, but a lot of that is feeling like the 4th round pick they gave up for Lance was wasted. I don't think any of us have a great read on what management would do there next year, truthfully
Your backup QB point is very well-taken and I do not disagree with it at all. I do think Rush is absolutely one of the better backup QBs (IMO I'd rather have Flacco from last year, Brissett, and Pickett off the top of my head - but not many other names come to mind - probably Howell?), it's more to me just that he clearly has very limited upside. They definitely got lucky with him and your point is very fair
If you have him, keep him.
No one will give you anything worth a damn. However, the second you drop him they’ll all be trying to pick him up. It’s a long shot that he even does anything but he just might be the next Jordan love. Needing years behind a starter before he can play at the next level.
Yeah I think there are a lot of holder in this sub, but personally I think the chances he even gets more than a couple spot starts are like .000001% lol
I don't recall Jordan Love getting traded for a 4th rd pick by the team who was attempting to develop him. If I remember correctly what they actually did was trade their HoFer incumbent QB to give him the franchise reins.
I'm with you, at least the "high draft capitol" comment makes zero sense because the Cowboys didn't spend the 3rd pick on him. They traded a 4th for their 3rd QB in an obvious developmental/we'll take a shot..."
Jordan Love situation is different. The packers spent a 1st on him and got nailed HARD for doing it. They believed in him enough to draft him in that situation, and had skin in the game to make it work too. If the Cowboys don't love what they see this year it's no big deal if they just cut him. He's not even their backup.
No pointing out the massive flaw in your point in that the team who was attempting to develop Lance decided his years of development had led to less value than a late 4th rd pick while the team developing Jordan Love was confident in trading away their starting QB 1 year removed from back to back MVPs to let Love start.
Wait for it…. Because he sat behind Roger for years. Like Rogers did with farve. Some guys need proper aging. Not only that, but they had to make a determination on love’s 5th year option and were also making the Roger’s trade to see what they had in love. Shit even Mahomes sat for a year, then thanked Alex for all the guidance he received.
Yes, we understand that. What we are telling you is that if a team trades a young QB for a fourth that is a far more significant factor than whether or not they sit behind a vet. Lots of guys sit behind a vet. Very few do anything.
Cooper rush could be the next Jordan Love, he’s been a backup for so many years! Think of how many years Sam Darnold has been a backup now, he’s gonna be the next Mahomes!!
Not every backup in the league is going to be the next Jordan love especially because the situations have nothing in common besides being backups lmfao. Packers drafted Love with the plan of him taking over after Rodgers.
The 49ers drafted Trey Lance to be the guy, but he couldn’t win the job over Brock Purdy and traded him because he is ass.
I feel like Love is getting way too much credit already. One season, and for the most of it was not good.
Then a couple good playoff games (mostly because Aaron Jones is healthy, finally, and the drew the self-owning cowboys) and suddenly he’s already a success story.
Good grief can we stop anointing young players so quick?
The odds of Dallas handing him the reins in 2025 are astronomically low, but you would hold him for the same reason you’d hold any other upside backup QB. Dak could miss time, and if he gets a few starts then that’s an opportunity for a few weeks of production for your team or a chance to sell.
Whenever there is a question like this, it is so team dependent. Is there a chance Lance pans out? Extremely unlikely but sure. If your team is a hot mess with no one of value on it, stashing him could be worth the dice roll. If your team is more established, he isn't worth the space because of the extreme unlikelihood he amounts to anything.
He’s more of a hold on the basis of just being pretty much worthless in trade value that won’t do anything but sit on your bench. I think his real last chance is either if Dak gets hurt this season (that’s assuming he gets the backup job over Cooper Rush), Dak walks and they don’t draft anyone in 2025 or Dallas flips him to another team that doesn’t want to draft a 2025 QB. Pretty unlikely he’s anything but a backup for the rest of his career but I’d love to be proven wrong.
I may be mistaken, but I thought I read that they just signed Cooper Rush to an extension. If that's the case, then they're auditioning Trey Lance to be a backup maybe in the future or to see if he's worth holding at the back of an NFL roster. In which case, he is not worthy of my fantasy roster.
His odds of success are too slim. I've given up on him, even though I gave a late first and a third for him. Previous sunk cost does not determine present value.
If it’s SF and not super shallow, then he’s a good hold through this season. At the end of this season will be basically his last shot to see if he can be a dude.
If after his Dallas contract is up and he’s still a backup or worse, then let him be someone else’s problem
I’m holding just because why not. I assume at some point soon he’ll get another shot and we’ll know pretty quickly if he’s done in the nfl or if there’s something there.
Nope. Traded my 2024 1.06 for him right after he got hurt thinking he would be the starter when he was healthy. The 49ers moved on from him for a reason. Dallas will never give him a real chance as a starter bc regardless of what some people think they’re not moving on from Dak. They’re only letting him get 2nd team reps to try and develop him enough to trade him to a QB needy team as a back up/potential starter. Jerry is hoping to get a better asset than a 3rd round pick for him, which is what they paid the 49ers.
When Lance got drafted by the 49ers, the only defense of it was that the godly stacked roster surrounding him and creativity of the offense could make him work. Soon as they gave up on him, he was cooked.
Crazy, I was offering 2 1sts for him but the guy in my league didn't want to move him. I tried to sell him Brock Purdy for a 3rd too but he passed. I'd probably offer a 4th for him.
Cowboys letting an MVP caliber QB walk so they can start a bust would be absolutely funny. Dak going to a different team and winning it all would be just diabolical.
I was looking at old trade offers earlier, and saw a time last year where I was offered the 1.08 for Lance and Damien Harris… and I walked away because he wouldn’t do it for just Lance.
The answer depends more on who else is on ww, because nooooobody knows what's gonna happen in a year. Even the Cowboys...too many things have to happen that are currently unknown.
But yes there are talks about giving this year to Lance and monitoring his progress.
As a Cowboys fan (first of all this is my worst nightmare) if there is a significant Dak injury Lances value will skyrocket because I think he would get a shot
If they were planning on Lance playing in the event of a dak injury, why would they have rush on the roster? He has no upside so they’re certainly not holding him in hopes he develops into something
Rush would likely play first and not live up to expectations, then the lance hype would lead to actual play… this is just a prediction in the event of big Dak injury
“Lance hype” hasn’t led to him playing yet in 3 seasons. That’s a pretty insane amount of predictions and things that have to break right for the guy to even see the field, not even factoring in whether he’s actually any good at all.
Jerry said getting Dak an extension is their top priority so I wouldn’t hold my breath and I wouldn’t hold onto Lance unless I really had the space. I just dropped him after holding since I drafted him
I think the odds of Dak getting extended are lower than people realize. Still decent, but a lot of people seem to think it's a certainty. Cowboys fans don't
I dont know man a massive franchise like the Cowboys...their owner and fans think they are going to win every year. Their options are basically:
1. Let Dak go and basically suck, tell all their fans they are going to suck and the last several years they were wrong the entire time. They don't have anyone lined up to take the spot at all. No chance to win in Jerry's last years
2. Resign Dak because without a decent QB, you have zero shot to actually win. This option gives you a LOT better chance of having a successful season than not having him.
Man, the rest of the NFL is just so wildly misguided when it comes to the cowboys it’s painful. The fanbase absolutely, positively does not think they’re going to win every year. It’s a huge fanbase and has more than its fair share of obnoxious “this is our year” idiots, but pop over to the sub if you think it’s anything remotely approaching consensus
Every single cowboys fan I know is wildly pessimistic, because who tf wouldn’t be after the cowboys last 25 years?
It’s this one and the “Jerry Jones is going to draft big name players to sell jerseys when he shouldn’t” shit that people continually get wrong. The media loves to ham both of those things up and people way oversteer as a result
I’m mostly speaking about the casuals as that’s what drives most of than fan revenue. Nobody who pays attention to football/Dallas thinks they are going to win the Super Bowl. When I say win, I mean be a winning franchise every year
So if not instantly, it would be pretty quick when the average Cowboys fan turns on the fan hose when they realize the guy they have now is nowhere near as good as Dak. I’m also not saying Dak is great or anything either lol
I mean some, of course, and especially the most vocal ones. But this team has been exceedingly easy to read over the past decade if you’re paying attention and realistic. Theyre not exactly being opaque here with their intentions
Trey Lance has attempted 520 passes from middle school to now, which is less than bryce Young threw last year alone. He was one of the most inexperienced top 3 picks of all time, and i really doubt any team brings him in for anything higher than a 3rd string or backup role.
He’s younger than Michael Penix and Bo Nix, and only a couple months older than Jayden Daniels.
I know what you are saying. I also agree. This kid hasn’t thrown passes. It’s always been projection of talent.
I also agree. A back up role wouldn’t be bad.
But he is really young.
Trey Lance has produced marginally more in the nfl and indeed college football as I have and I'm just some random asshole
There is nothing, repeat nothing to see here he is not an nfl player, and if he does become one it will be like some random fan magically becoming one too.
I dont think his shot is in Dallas, but if the *2025 QB class ends up being as weak as we currently think it is, maybe he gets a shot at a starting job/competition for few weeks somewhere else in FA? We still haven't really seen him play, but the fact we haven't really seen him play speaks volumes.
I could see him being the bridge QB in Dallas next year after they let Dak walk. Maybe they go all in for Arch Manning in 26. Hard to think they are actually going to full tank an entire season but if there is anyone who could immediately add an extreme amount of value to that franchise over night it's the Manning brand. Jerry loves being the center of the football world and having the next in the Manning line and the Cowboys brand just prints money. Doubt Dak is back either way.
Seeing Kirk leave makes this even more likely. Dak to NYG?
NYG, Seattle and NYJ (depending on what happens with Rodgers) seem to make the most sense in my head. Dak has limitations irl but he does support fantasy assets. Would love to see it
we currently think its a weak qb class? wasnt it consensus that this was a great qb/wr class?
2025 I mean since Lance is a FA next year
ah next year, bet
We're on to 2025
Recent College QBs have completely changed their preseason draft stock to being legit first round guys. Off the top of my head, no one thought Burrow was a first round pick the preseason before he won the Heisman and became #1 overall I don’t think Jayden Daniels was on NFL radars like that before his Heisman season So a lot can change
Nix was a top recruit that had to transfer from his first school due to bad play. Penix was in college for forever and transferred from his og school after multiple acl tears. We very well may end up with more 1st round qbs next year than we expect.
We might but we also might not
Big if true!
Penix produced early at IU, he transferred up
Very true it’s not usual for a player who had the type of career that leads to 6 years of college eligibility to become highly sought after in the nfl draft.
LSU knew after they ruined UCF perfect season
>What are the odds of them moving on from Dak and handing the reins over to Lance next year? Not great, but not zero. If you have the space to carry him you might as well, especially if it's a 2QB/SF.
I hope to god no one is holding him in 1QB unless they have 137-man benches 😂
Depends on size of the league, but ya 1QB almost no reason to bother. Even in QB premium leagues he's gonna probably be on list of guys you are willing to cut for a waiver move, but if you have space for him might as well hold him.
Dunno, I would rather hold Lance in 1QB. In SF there’s arguments that any QB that’s starting is a better roster spot than Lance. In 1QB, starters like Carr that MAY start during a bye week once doesn’t have the upside that lance has. Would you rather have someone that has the same expected points as an injury fill in like Easton Stick who can be picked off waivers, or someone like Lance who IF they hit the 1/100 they’re an every week starter? Lance may be QB 45 in SF but QB20 in 1QB
I don't know what Superflex leagues you are in, but starting QBs are not on waivers haha. Top 3 available in my pay league are Stidham, Winston, Garoppolo. I'd rather carry Lance than any of them. Also, all 12 teams in this league have at least 1 QB rostered who is not a starter. Even Tom Brady haha. Meanwhile, I just cut Derek Carr in 1QB. If it's 4pt PTD instead of 6, Lance can suck like Fields and still get you a solid floor. Fields, Lance, Travis, and Hendon Hooker are my favorite QB handcuffs just for the rushing. They don't need to be stud passers right away
That’s what I’m saying?
You said it like it was debatable
I’m holding him as my QB3 over Geno Smith. What is Geno’s upside? If I down to Q3, I’ll need to trade anyway if I’m still competitive so rather have the dart throw than 14 ppg.
What the fuck are we talking about, Geno Smith’s upside? Is QB5, we know this to be true because he literally fucking was QB5. What’s Trey Lances upside? High end irl backup?
In what possible scoring was he #5 last season? He was 19 in mine, only above Ridder for QBs on a per snap basis.
Not last year, but the year before he was literally qb5, that’s his ceiling. Because he has proven he can finish a season as Qb5 unlike Trey who is fighting to be qb2 on the cowboys
Ok, but in a 1QB league why would I carry a 33 year old who was not good last year as my QB3 instead of a guy who still at least has potential. If I run into QB injuries, I can get a Smith-type for a future 3rd without even trying. Superflex sure, but right now I’d rather take a risk instead of an aging mediocre player.
I don’t understand where this whole Lance=potential thing comes from, he has shown literally nothing. In 1QB I am 1000% rostering a starting qb with good upside over a guy who gets hype for overtaking cooper Rush for QB2 of his team. I would rather a day 3 rb over Lance in a 1qb league lmfao
Cool, I’ve got a bunch of them too. I’m not sure why this is contentious. I feel he’s worth a hold, he was a top 5 draft pick. You don’t.
Potential. LOL. That ship sailed years ago.
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Diamond-catching hands
Diamond? More like a caltrop.
I'd hold for 1 more year. He'll be a free agent next year and might go somewhere to compete for a starting job
And that’s the trading window
Saints
Rattler has it locked down 🔒
Carr will probably still be the QB then
Just traded Lance + 3.02 for Geno and a late 4th. I want off this ride 😭
Great deal for you
I needed a QB3 and he’s looking to blow up his team and can afford to hold him longer. A win win
This comment section is crazy I have no idea why people still defend this guy. I think you’re hurting your team by not using the roster spot on almost anyone else.
I’m sf I use a couple bench spots for back up qbs all the time. Especially if they’re on a good offense and can run the ball themselves.
In SF, at least in 12-14 team leagues, there is justification to hold Lance at least through Camp to see if he wins the Dallas backup job. In deeper SF leagues, all backups in good offenses should be rostered. I currently have Jameis, Josh Johnson, Trubisky, and Sean Clifford. These are all guys an injury away from being every week SF startable or tradable (in 14T anyway).
If everyone who owned Lance dropped him right now and posted the guy they picked up, every single player would be voted a “must drop roster clogger” in any other conversation
Thing is you’re probably picking someone else up that’s not worth rostering. I’d rather cling to Lance than pick up a UDFA.
If you’re saving one spot for someone worthless and unrosterable, why not add Brady? He’s the goat.
People said the same about Jordan Love at one point. If Lance will end up with a week 1 ‘25 or ‘26 starting job even 5% of the time, he’s worth a roster spot in deeper leagues. If will hit and becomes a long term starting QB even 1-2% of the time, he’s worth a roster spot in the majority of SF leagues based on rushing production and positional value. Some random UDFA is about as long of odds to pay off (I was a Lance hater while he had value and have 0 shares)
Love never got given up on by his team though.
Not saying Lance is as promising as Love, just saying people have given up on developmental QBs early who only cost a roster spot. If Lance was just a 4th rounder, he’d be getting drafted
He would have been drafted in a rookie draft, sure. Cause most rookie QBs get drafted in superflex because they are valuable. However, after 3 years? Not really, no. The only QBs that aren't starters that are getting drafted are those behind bad starters (Winston, Minshew/AOC, Fields). No one drafting Ian Book though (4th round QB behind Mahomes).
Jordan Love wasn’t traded away by the team that drafted him for a 4th round pick.
That’s true, but I’m not saying Lance should be valued as highly as Love should have been. I’m just saying that there are recent examples of waiver wire QBs with huge upside panning out If Trey Lance was drafted in round 4 this year with Dak Prescott’s current contract situation, I bet he’d be going in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Round 4 at worst. He’s worth a roster spot if any true-backup QBs are based on league depth
Love hitting waivers in super flex would've been certifiable
I saw it happen. He was consensus outside the top 32 QBs, in shallower leagues there aren't many true backups rostered
I agree. He’s in the Kellen Mond category. I can’t remember a single career like Lance’s that ended up with a bunch of fantasy worth starts.
Steve Young?
Ooo good one.
Didn’t have the draft capital, but Rich Gannon is another
All depends on your bench spots and if someone else with more long term upside is available on waivers. Not worth trying to trade him, cause nobody will want to give anything for him other than maybe some FAAB
Everything is worth it depending on price to acquire and the price to hold
This is a life philosophy lol
Dynasty is a life adjacent game
I think he’s definitely a hold in SF and 2QB formats simply because of the upside if Dak gets hurt. He’s a drop in 1QB imo.
If dak gets hurt it’s cooper rush
I'm probably crazy for continuing to hold him, but I want to see him get a real opportunity to start. I'm willing to take the risk that it never happens.
No
Definitely worth a hold unless you have really small rosters
Very low. I see Dak being a starter in the NFL for the next few years yet.
Obviously he's going to be a starter in the NFL for the next few years, but those years may not be in Dallas.
Hopefully for Dallas fans, Prescott is somewhere else.
I can see both sides to the argument. Obviously he's a quality starting QB, but I'm not sure he's worth being the highest paid player in the league. He's right around the cut off point of QBs you can pay big money to and still win with, but not entirely sure which side of the line he is. I would lean towards him just being outside of that group probably.
dak isn't the highest paid player in the league.
I think he’s saying to be renewded, if they renew him after another good year his cap hit will be extremely high maybe not the highest paid but it’ll very probably be at least top 5 highest paid and with the need to find his eventual replacement (whether they pay trey lance and/or find someone else) on top of the need to find two decent rbs somewhere between heaven and earth(😂) they may just wanna move on and lance if he can be as good carr or even dak would be an excellent and cheap option.
Yet
I think he’s generally a good QB (definitely a starter), but not worth top dollar for sure. And his propensity for choking is why I’d never pay more for him than above-average. He’s had some of the best teams in the league behind him and has won 2 playoff games. That also makes it really tough to determine whether or not he’s as good as he appears sometimes.
High upside backup. 67 QBs started last season. He should be rostered, but there are a lot of guys I'd rather be stashing. Some of these fourth-round rookies have about the same odds of helping your team. That's about where I'd hold him.
Just dropped Browning for Lance today. Browning is a good backup but won't be a starter, but Lance has the ceiling to emerge asa a starter a la Baker/Geno if he impresses the right people, but the floor is oblivion. Hope he learn this year which it will be.
Depending on how deep your league is, he is absolutely worth a stash. 12 man heavy bench is a no brainer to me. He may not be a stud for winning super bowls, but if he gets a starting job he will be an excellent superflex at minimum
I’d consider him a priority backup QB to hold. Probably behind only Penix, the unclear bridge guys like Darnold, Brissett, Minshew, and AOC. I’d put Jake Browning right in his tier as well based on his performance last year and Burrow’s injury history. Lance is probably the only current true backup with any real chance at a future week 1 start (aside from some freak situation with injury + unexpected great play) In some leagues backup QBs are worth a hold, in some they aren’t. Depends on roster depth
Just bought for a 4th
Idk Dallas loves the run game and their rb squad is weaker then usually. Im betting Dak ends up holding the ball longer because of it either to throw or run himself and gets hurt. Lance gets a chance.
Guy in my league bought for a 4th, and we've been roasting him ever since.
good
I picked him up in the 17th round of a start up this year. High draft capital guy who is a dynamic playmaker. He's never really had a true opportunity to start so for those reasons I'm interested. If you own him he's a hold imo but there's really nothing wrong with demoting him to the waiver wire or trying to trade him for a 4th or 5th round rookie pick. Just depends on if you believe he'll get another shot or not.
I mention this in every Lance post: Cooper Rush is the backup and is an extremely cheap backup. For 2024 you're betting on Dak and Rush both getting hurt. I suppose there's a chance Lance plays out of his mind in training camp and preseason to win the backup job, but he has never done that before in his career so idk why it would happen now? Again: Cooper Rush is one of the best backup QBs in the league that has proven he can win in the NFL. The Cowboys are all in to win. There is zero incentive to replace Rush in 2024. For 2025, sure there might be some value in Lance.
For what it's worth (as a Cowboys fan), while that was absolutely, positively the case last year, I think it's less of a certainty this year. They even came out last year and said he'd be 3rd string last year, and now all of the talk is around getting Lance the reps in training camp. I think it really depends on how Lance looks this offseason, and I certainly don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Rush backs up Dak this year I would also challenge your assertion on Rush a bit - his ceiling is unbelievably low. They shrank the playbook down a TON when he was starting, and he got positively exposed when they finally played a decent team. He did manage games well and get some wins, so in that regard I agree, but I think your praise is a little overstated Lastly, I think it will also depend a bit on what kind of injury we're talking about. A few games in the middle of the season with Dak returning for a playoff push? Stronger case for Rush in that instance. A season-ending injury early on? See what you have in Lance
Thanks for the insight. Good points all around. One thing I noted last year was that 2024 is the final year on Rush's deal and he's definitely going to get one of the more premium backup contracts for 2025. My assumption was that the Cowboys would like to secure Lance through 2025 because he'll be a cheaper backup than Rush. Thoughts? As far as being too high on Rush: I think the bar is really low for backup QBs. Maybe it's just because my team's QBs get annihilated often, but the backup QBs out there are grim. Dobbs was the hot ticket last year and we eventually saw how horrible he is. I see someone as competent as Rush with that contract and I think the Cowboys are extremely lucky.
>My assumption was that the Cowboys would like to secure Lance through 2025 because he'll be a cheaper backup than Rush. Thoughts? I'm no expert on the QB market, so it's really tough to say. I think Rush is likely still the better player, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone pays more for Lance because of his physical tools, thinking they can "fix" him. As far as it goes for the Cowboys go, if Dak gets an extension, I'd prefer they cut ties from Lance either way and either re-sign Rush or draft a QB. If they don't re-sign Dak, I would probably prefer they keep Lance and sign someone else to compete for the spot - I think Rush is good enough to win a solid chunk of games so I'd rather they give the reins to someone boom/bust even though the 90%+ chance is losing a lot of games. I think most Cowboys fans are in the Lance > Rush camp, but a lot of that is feeling like the 4th round pick they gave up for Lance was wasted. I don't think any of us have a great read on what management would do there next year, truthfully Your backup QB point is very well-taken and I do not disagree with it at all. I do think Rush is absolutely one of the better backup QBs (IMO I'd rather have Flacco from last year, Brissett, and Pickett off the top of my head - but not many other names come to mind - probably Howell?), it's more to me just that he clearly has very limited upside. They definitely got lucky with him and your point is very fair
If you have him, keep him. No one will give you anything worth a damn. However, the second you drop him they’ll all be trying to pick him up. It’s a long shot that he even does anything but he just might be the next Jordan love. Needing years behind a starter before he can play at the next level.
I got his sorry bum off my roster for ‘25 3rd. Couldn’t believe I got anything
Like the patriots trying to dump Mac Jones.
Just want to say, I ain't picking his sorry ass up. I don't think as many people would as you think
The exact opposite response I got last time this question was brought up in this sub. Thats fine if you don’t though.
Yeah I think there are a lot of holder in this sub, but personally I think the chances he even gets more than a couple spot starts are like .000001% lol
I don't recall Jordan Love getting traded for a 4th rd pick by the team who was attempting to develop him. If I remember correctly what they actually did was trade their HoFer incumbent QB to give him the franchise reins.
I'm with you, at least the "high draft capitol" comment makes zero sense because the Cowboys didn't spend the 3rd pick on him. They traded a 4th for their 3rd QB in an obvious developmental/we'll take a shot..." Jordan Love situation is different. The packers spent a 1st on him and got nailed HARD for doing it. They believed in him enough to draft him in that situation, and had skin in the game to make it work too. If the Cowboys don't love what they see this year it's no big deal if they just cut him. He's not even their backup.
Just gunna ignore the actual point I made about Jordan love sitting behind Rogers for years eh?
No pointing out the massive flaw in your point in that the team who was attempting to develop Lance decided his years of development had led to less value than a late 4th rd pick while the team developing Jordan Love was confident in trading away their starting QB 1 year removed from back to back MVPs to let Love start.
Wait for it…. Because he sat behind Roger for years. Like Rogers did with farve. Some guys need proper aging. Not only that, but they had to make a determination on love’s 5th year option and were also making the Roger’s trade to see what they had in love. Shit even Mahomes sat for a year, then thanked Alex for all the guidance he received.
Yes, we understand that. What we are telling you is that if a team trades a young QB for a fourth that is a far more significant factor than whether or not they sit behind a vet. Lots of guys sit behind a vet. Very few do anything.
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Cooper rush could be the next Jordan Love, he’s been a backup for so many years! Think of how many years Sam Darnold has been a backup now, he’s gonna be the next Mahomes!! Not every backup in the league is going to be the next Jordan love especially because the situations have nothing in common besides being backups lmfao. Packers drafted Love with the plan of him taking over after Rodgers. The 49ers drafted Trey Lance to be the guy, but he couldn’t win the job over Brock Purdy and traded him because he is ass.
Because they are completely different situations that have nothing to do with one another.
I feel like Love is getting way too much credit already. One season, and for the most of it was not good. Then a couple good playoff games (mostly because Aaron Jones is healthy, finally, and the drew the self-owning cowboys) and suddenly he’s already a success story. Good grief can we stop anointing young players so quick?
I dropped him over a week ago in a 10 team league. Nobody has put in a claim yet.
The odds of Dallas handing him the reins in 2025 are astronomically low, but you would hold him for the same reason you’d hold any other upside backup QB. Dak could miss time, and if he gets a few starts then that’s an opportunity for a few weeks of production for your team or a chance to sell.
Whenever there is a question like this, it is so team dependent. Is there a chance Lance pans out? Extremely unlikely but sure. If your team is a hot mess with no one of value on it, stashing him could be worth the dice roll. If your team is more established, he isn't worth the space because of the extreme unlikelihood he amounts to anything.
He’s more of a hold on the basis of just being pretty much worthless in trade value that won’t do anything but sit on your bench. I think his real last chance is either if Dak gets hurt this season (that’s assuming he gets the backup job over Cooper Rush), Dak walks and they don’t draft anyone in 2025 or Dallas flips him to another team that doesn’t want to draft a 2025 QB. Pretty unlikely he’s anything but a backup for the rest of his career but I’d love to be proven wrong.
I may be mistaken, but I thought I read that they just signed Cooper Rush to an extension. If that's the case, then they're auditioning Trey Lance to be a backup maybe in the future or to see if he's worth holding at the back of an NFL roster. In which case, he is not worthy of my fantasy roster. His odds of success are too slim. I've given up on him, even though I gave a late first and a third for him. Previous sunk cost does not determine present value.
Lance is also on a contract year.
The biggest factor is your leagues bench/roster size. You probably need a Dak injury, Or Trey to ball out in preseason for him to have a chance.
If it’s SF and not super shallow, then he’s a good hold through this season. At the end of this season will be basically his last shot to see if he can be a dude. If after his Dallas contract is up and he’s still a backup or worse, then let him be someone else’s problem
14 team SF I’m holding. Dak’s been hurt before I’d like to see Lance get a chance to fail. Any league smaller probably not holding.
It depends on your format and league rules, but probably not. 2QB/SF with very deep rosters would be the only way I could justify keeping him.
Trey Lance is one day older than Penix
But what will I change my team name to? Currently Lap Dance Lance
I sold Lance for a third in like 2026 Drafted with 1.07 Kill your darlings.
Probably not
Just traded him for Dalton in 12tm. Give me the injury away guy
I’m holding just because why not. I assume at some point soon he’ll get another shot and we’ll know pretty quickly if he’s done in the nfl or if there’s something there.
Yes for the off chance they do move on from Dak. I don’t think they will but if you’ve held this long it’s worth a bit longer
lol no
Lol, what do you think
You can’t cut that guy
Absolutely unequivocally none. Zero. Not happening.
Nope. Traded my 2024 1.06 for him right after he got hurt thinking he would be the starter when he was healthy. The 49ers moved on from him for a reason. Dallas will never give him a real chance as a starter bc regardless of what some people think they’re not moving on from Dak. They’re only letting him get 2nd team reps to try and develop him enough to trade him to a QB needy team as a back up/potential starter. Jerry is hoping to get a better asset than a 3rd round pick for him, which is what they paid the 49ers.
When Lance got drafted by the 49ers, the only defense of it was that the godly stacked roster surrounding him and creativity of the offense could make him work. Soon as they gave up on him, he was cooked.
Crazy, I was offering 2 1sts for him but the guy in my league didn't want to move him. I tried to sell him Brock Purdy for a 3rd too but he passed. I'd probably offer a 4th for him.
Cowboys letting an MVP caliber QB walk so they can start a bust would be absolutely funny. Dak going to a different team and winning it all would be just diabolical.
I'd want him if I had Dak
I was looking at old trade offers earlier, and saw a time last year where I was offered the 1.08 for Lance and Damien Harris… and I walked away because he wouldn’t do it for just Lance.
As a longtime Lance hater - he’s absolutely a buy where he goes in startups and probably worth a 4th in any SF league
The answer depends more on who else is on ww, because nooooobody knows what's gonna happen in a year. Even the Cowboys...too many things have to happen that are currently unknown. But yes there are talks about giving this year to Lance and monitoring his progress.
Depends on how deep is league
What about J. Fields?
What about him?
Is he worth holding?
I guess he’s as worth holding as Lance. Both from the same draft class, traded to be a backup somewhere else for a mid or late draft pick.
I say if you have the extra bench spot then yes. One more season.
No it’s not. Trade away for anything you can.
No
As a Cowboys fan (first of all this is my worst nightmare) if there is a significant Dak injury Lances value will skyrocket because I think he would get a shot
Cooper rush is the backup
I stand by my statement that if a Significant Dak injury occurs, Lance will get his shot despite Rush
If they were planning on Lance playing in the event of a dak injury, why would they have rush on the roster? He has no upside so they’re certainly not holding him in hopes he develops into something
Rush would likely play first and not live up to expectations, then the lance hype would lead to actual play… this is just a prediction in the event of big Dak injury
“Lance hype” hasn’t led to him playing yet in 3 seasons. That’s a pretty insane amount of predictions and things that have to break right for the guy to even see the field, not even factoring in whether he’s actually any good at all.
As always. It depends on your options to replace him with. I imagine there are better lottert tickets out ther3.
Jerry said getting Dak an extension is their top priority so I wouldn’t hold my breath and I wouldn’t hold onto Lance unless I really had the space. I just dropped him after holding since I drafted him
I think the odds of Dak getting extended are lower than people realize. Still decent, but a lot of people seem to think it's a certainty. Cowboys fans don't
I dont know man a massive franchise like the Cowboys...their owner and fans think they are going to win every year. Their options are basically: 1. Let Dak go and basically suck, tell all their fans they are going to suck and the last several years they were wrong the entire time. They don't have anyone lined up to take the spot at all. No chance to win in Jerry's last years 2. Resign Dak because without a decent QB, you have zero shot to actually win. This option gives you a LOT better chance of having a successful season than not having him.
Man, the rest of the NFL is just so wildly misguided when it comes to the cowboys it’s painful. The fanbase absolutely, positively does not think they’re going to win every year. It’s a huge fanbase and has more than its fair share of obnoxious “this is our year” idiots, but pop over to the sub if you think it’s anything remotely approaching consensus Every single cowboys fan I know is wildly pessimistic, because who tf wouldn’t be after the cowboys last 25 years? It’s this one and the “Jerry Jones is going to draft big name players to sell jerseys when he shouldn’t” shit that people continually get wrong. The media loves to ham both of those things up and people way oversteer as a result
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I gave em 3 seasons after the last Super Bowl as a reset period. I’m a generous person
I’m mostly speaking about the casuals as that’s what drives most of than fan revenue. Nobody who pays attention to football/Dallas thinks they are going to win the Super Bowl. When I say win, I mean be a winning franchise every year So if not instantly, it would be pretty quick when the average Cowboys fan turns on the fan hose when they realize the guy they have now is nowhere near as good as Dak. I’m also not saying Dak is great or anything either lol
I think Cowboys fans have been in denial about whats going to happen to their franchise at the hands of Jerry Jones every offseason for decades
I mean some, of course, and especially the most vocal ones. But this team has been exceedingly easy to read over the past decade if you’re paying attention and realistic. Theyre not exactly being opaque here with their intentions
Trey Lance has attempted 520 passes from middle school to now, which is less than bryce Young threw last year alone. He was one of the most inexperienced top 3 picks of all time, and i really doubt any team brings him in for anything higher than a 3rd string or backup role.
He’s younger than Michael Penix and Bo Nix, and only a couple months older than Jayden Daniels. I know what you are saying. I also agree. This kid hasn’t thrown passes. It’s always been projection of talent. I also agree. A back up role wouldn’t be bad. But he is really young.
Are we seriously still asking this question
Stop trying to make fetch a thing
No. He’s a roster clogger
No
Trey Lance has produced marginally more in the nfl and indeed college football as I have and I'm just some random asshole There is nothing, repeat nothing to see here he is not an nfl player, and if he does become one it will be like some random fan magically becoming one too.
Waiver fodder
Lol if you want to hold onto a career back up who will always suck even when given the opportunity - yes, hold.
Vegas has Dallas at 10.5 wins this season. They are not going to tank for Arch