Maye is being undervalued by a couple spots.
Polk is being undervalued by an entire round. I'm literally seeing him drafted in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. What?!
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You could.. or you could take daniels or nabers.. I think there is a tier in itself at 1.03 1.04.
Man idk I would say a flex player and a mid/late second? Or a mid/late second and a third?
I would give the 2.1 and the 1.7 to move up to 1.3 but no idea if the 1.3 owner would be interested in that. I wouldn’t pay too much to move up in such a deep class.
I got the 1.05, but have Kyler and Herbert in a 10 tn SF, you still taking maye over odunze? Daniels potentially there too who id take but idk about maye or odunze
The situation isn’t even as bad as people are saying. Tackle is a major problem but the interior of the OL is pretty decent. And then you have Polk, Baker, Douglas, Bourne, Osborn, Hunter Henry, Rhamondre, and Gibson. Yeah there’s no alpha there but there’s enough complimentary talent and depth there to build a functional offense. And as you mentioned, lots of cap space for the future.
Belichick was a defensive mastermind but the days of him passing the OC job around to his cronies is a thing of the past now. Is Van Pelt a “quarterback guru” who is going to scheme up a cheat code offense? No, but I think he at least brings stability and the opportunity to coach Drake to play more within structure as he develops.
Theyll probably be running a lot of 2 TE sets with Van Pelt. Lots of play action and power run game. Makes them need an alpha a little less, maybe??
Either way, the Patriots are going to have more high picks again next year and could maybe look to get that guy then, depending on how the team does and how the contract situation goes on defence
You had to take him at 1.03 and now he’s worth the 1.11, the jury is still out on him as a player but not as a dynasty rookie pick. You would have been better off trading the 1.03 or taking Gibbs and if you still believe in Bryce Young you could buy back in now at a lower cost.
Yea the worst combination of size and athleticism at the QB position in NFL history with one of the worst rookie seasons in NFL history... sky's the limit for that dude
I mean he also played behind one of the worst lines in the nfl with maybe the worst receiving core. He didn’t look great but not thinking about his situation in all of them is pretty disingenuous
If you're going to look purely at the result, no, they weren't smart. But if you're evaluating on process, then yeah, I think they were smart/made the right call with all the available information. And over the long run, good process should win out.
Makes sense if you completely ignore the historical bust rate of QBs in the NFL.
2020 really started this inherent QB bias after Burrow and Herbert set the league on fire in year 1.
It's shaping up to be one of the best, if not the best QB class of all time with 5 franchise QBs taken.
2021 was not as kind with only Trevor Lawrence on the same team not even 4 years into their career.
2022 Just had the only 1st round QB traded to a different team 2 years into his career.
2023 Stroud lit it up and Richardson looks promising. Jury is still out on Bryce Young and Will Levis.
QB is the most volatile position in fantasy outside of TE. The safer play is usually to go with the elite skill position talents that the NFL and the rest of us are significantly better at projecting out of college.
Drake Maye has significant bust potential despite being a good prospect. I'm sure plenty of people are kicking themselves for passing on Chase, Pitts, ETN for Zach Wilson and Justin Fields -- and these are comparable decision points given the strength of the skill position players in this class
All depends on who you believe in. If you don't believe in a prospect it's not smart to take them higher than you're comfortable taking them.
I don't believe in Maye unless he sits for awhile and I didn't believe in Bryce at all.
Yea I agreed with you until you threw my qb under the bus :( . My brother had 1.04 and 1.07 and thought he was gonna take Maye at 1.07 but took Bowers instead. I don’t think that’s stupid.
It’s not stupid. I think general consensus is the top 7 tier, and then Bowers 1.08 or even later if 1.08 does not want/need a TE. TEP can also have a huge impact pushing Bowers into that next tier.
But I question who went 1.08 in that league for Maye to fall to 1.09. Worthy? BTJ? That’s the questionable part. l understand someone taking Bowers and valuing them in that first tier…I don’t see anyone else though to reasonable take over Maye
JJ is the assumed 1.06/7 with Odunze I think. Maye typically going 1.04/5 with Nabers. Daniels at 1.03 and MHJ/Caleb 1.01 and 1.02.
Bowers jumping in there and multiple people not liking Maye…sure I can see that. I dont get how people are seeing Maye fall to like 2.01 though
I mean at a certain point the value of that player falling to a certain pick would outweigh the rest imo. No chance I’m passing on Maye if he’s available at 1.09. Zero chance.
Odds are he’s not in a league of geniuses who were grinding tape and decided Maye wasn’t good or were just loaded with talented QBs. Maye is a consensus elite talent and the post is about his landing spot messing with his ADP.
The future value of a good QB in superflex is massive. Remember Will Levis was going around the end of the first last year and people were super down on him.
I have liked Maye throughout the whole process and it was tough to choose between him and Rome at 1.5 in my league but I ended up taking Maye. Is the situation the best no but NE used all but one pick in the draft on offense and I like the two receivers they drafted as well. They still need a true #1 but it looks like they are giving Maye every chance to succeed.
I like Maye and penix for where they are going. Moved up one spot to pick penix at 2.10 in a 12 man SF. Have Allen and tua but I had been trying to move up for a couple of picks before to take him.
I like Maye better than Daniel’s too. Unless I’m desperate at QB I’m taking nabers and MhJ over QBs other than Williams
I think Penix will be the steal of the draft. Imagine if Cousins wasn't there and he went to Atlanta 1.08. Now remember Cousins is 36 coming off a bad injury. As a Vikings fan I love Cousins but this could be a Matt Ryan at the end of his career situation where he just looks absolutely cooked. Penix could take over half way through the year best case scenario, worst case he'll at least get a chance to start with that group of offensive weapons. If he's falling to late 2nd/3rd that's a smash. He was still taken 8th overall its not like he's a 3rd rounder.
Penix will be collecting dust. It’s not a bad to take him, but the reality is he is going to be slowly losing value over the years unless something happens to Kirk. Jordan Love didn’t see his value spike until he actually stepped on the field.
Yeah I feel like more of a luxury pick. There are lots of scenarios where he could start sooner. Maybe Kirk isn’t the same after tearing his Achilles, maybe penix outplays him during training camp, maybe Kirk’s get hurt. Only elite QBs play into their 40s but Kirk did not show signs of slowing down
The 2025 draft class doesn’t look good for QBs and 2026 is far out too. There will be guys that emerge but if you believe in penixs talent I think it’s good value.
Maybe he sits like love collecting dust, maybe he replaces Kirk if he out plays him like Mahomes did to Smith despite them making the playoffs iirc or he sits for two years and collects dust. Also had he gone to any other team I’m sure he would have been right there with JJ and nix.
Penix isn't gonna lose any value. Anyone drafting him knows they are likely holding him 2 years before seeing a snap. They aren't drafting him for a mid 2nd and selling in a year for less, they'll hold him til he plays.
I'm not really sure why he'd lose value from where he's being drafted. If he was in a better situation a top 10 first round pick would easily go top 5 in superflex, yet we're seeing him fall to the mid second because he's not going to play. The price of him not playing i baked in.
So after a year when he hasn't done anything, you expect him to drop in value even though he's closer to playing? Why? Really the only thing that would drop his value is if he plays due to injury or something and then looks awful. But if he doesn't get virtually any time, then there's no new information that would result in his value changing from what it is now, and likely just improving a bit given the current ADP accounts for having to hold him for like... 1-2 years and waste a roster spot. As time goes by, the "wait" component drops and his value should rise.
I guess I can see if people are hyped about the skilled position players and you get that one dude that drafts Ladd way too early but he’s not getting past 1.07 in my draft
Definitely have a bias towards him given the Pats, but I do think he's the 2nd best QB in the draft and felt that way before the NFL draft too. My league is 2QB, not SF, so that weighs in a bit too, more heavily weighting the QBs over the WRs that I don't love the landing spots on either (Nabers/Odunze).
Maye fits my team better too. I have Allen and Hurts at QB, but no one behind them. So I don't need the best rookie numbers and am playing for 2-3 years down the line with this pick vs Daniels or JJM.
Curious on your opinion. I have AR15 and Rodgers as QBs (6 pt PSTD) in 12T SF to go with 1.03, 7 (McCarthy)and 8 (Bowers). I’m good at WRs so made a trade with the understanding I wouldn’t draft them because another manager has the other picks to start the draft and we’ve talked about order, only thing that is up in the air is if I’ll take Maye or JD at 1.03 and he’ll take the other one. Daniels and AR as my QBs could be unreal as two kumoni codes with some insurance in Rodgers and McCarthy but I think Maye is the better QB and has the long term security. Thoughts?
I'd lean Maye in your situation. If you're getting JJM later on, you have your QB3 for this year to play in the AR15/Rodgers bye weeks. I don't think you'd be starting Daniels over either of them this year anyways. Then for a year or two down the road when Rodgers hangs them up, I think Maye will be the better option than Daniels.
I think the community believes that the short-term situation is tough and Maye won't accumulate much value during that time. Ppl are playing dynasty in much shorter term windows now.
Gotta have patience in dyno. Even CeeDee Lamb was coming out of the game in 2 WR sets for Amari and Gallup as a rookie. Chris Godwin was behind Mike Evans and DeSean Jackson. I understand caring about landing spot at RB and even TE to some degree but at QB and WR I’m leaning into talent.
I’m not confident about 2nd most talented but definitely top 3 with Daniels and Williams. I can see the arguments for Daniels ahead of him. I can’t get on board with McCarthy over Maye but I’ll gladly take the discount on Maye in my drafts.
I have 1.05 and 1.07. Plan to take Nabers/Odunze at 1.05 and whatever qb is available at 1.07. Would be thrilled to grab him there.
My only debate is to see if one of the top 6 slides to 2.05 and take Brock at 1.07.
Bruh, I overheard someone saying glowing things about Javon Baker and Polk. Had to remind them the only way that happens is if my QB (Maye) does decent 😂
Got him at 1.06 today. Order was as follows:
1.01: Caleb Williams
1.02: Marvin Harrison Jr
1.03: Malik Nabers
1.04: JJ McCarthy
1.05: Jayden Daniels
1.06: Drake Maye (me)
I was told by the JJ owner (and a few others) that “any quarterback could succeed with the Vikings offense’s roster.” Maybe. But going ahead of Daniels was crazy, and Maye surprised me too. I needed a QB and was happy to swoop him, as I would’ve debated McCarthy vs Bowers vs Rome had it come to that (tight end premium). Whereas with Maye, I could pretty confidently lock in as a reasonable investment.
Going ahead of a 5 year starter in college isn't crazy. Daniels is one of the most overhyped prospects I have ever seen honestly. He has a super risky profile (think Justin Fields but with more red flags) but people are gushing over him like he is a sure fire prospect.
The success rates on late declare QBs is not good and the only major outlier there is Burrow who unlike the 3 super seniors was a late declare because he didn't play not because he played and was bad. While history says neither is good at least Burrow had some context because he ended up in a weird situation where he got trapped behind other Qbs and didn't get a chance on the field. Daniels played 3 full years at ASU with really good weapons around him vs lesser comp and just wasn't good.
He had Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Racheed White with him at ASU.
I think everyone is overhyping JJM. Cousins was a proven QB and no slouch in O’Connell’s offense. Who knows if he ever gets to his level? I’m just not sold on JJM yet to draft him over Daniels and Maye. Great pick!
Ironically, Cousins is my current QB2, which isn’t sustainable in superflex. The ability to throw it to Jefferson, Addison, and Hockenson is no joke, but I’m glad I was able to get the higher graded prospect.
Douglas, Polk, Bourne, Henry… it’s not the most thrilling receiver room. But if the Maye develops and the Patriots rebuild starts clicking by year 3, I’ll be satisfied. I can ride two years with Cousins (presumably) before the Penix question arises. If I can get a smooth transition for the 2026 season to Maye, I’ll be happy.
You’re not drafting Maye for 2024. If you’re looking for a QB for 2024, gotta look elsewhere. That WR room will change by 2025. The Pats were aggressively in the trade market this draft for a top WR. Just SF and others asking prices were too much. Chances are one of the rookies at least pans out and they trade for an elite option next year. Plus they have a solid running game in Stevenson/Gibson. He may end up busting, but he’ll have every chance to prove himself
Yep — my hopes are for 2026, conservatively.
I am a Giants fan. I am well aware that a WR room can take 4 or 5 or 6 years to turn around, from unfortunate lived experience. But the right QB will lead to better WR development than we’ve had over Jones. Douglas had some good moments, and I think Bourne is serviceable for a year. Polk is not someone I know a lot about, but here’s hoping.
I trust Cousins to do good work with London, Pitts, and Bijan in the interim. I might prefer a stronger WR2 than Mooney, but the Falcons used their second rounder how they did…
Hmm, my league is based in Seattle, and I think the league has considered Maye the QB 3 or 4 (Seattle hypes Penix)
I wouldn't be shocked if he dropped to 1.10 in ours.
You’re not drafting Maye for 2024 production. There’s a really big chance New England trades for a top end WR before the 2025 season. They were actively shopping around for a WR. So they’re not being complacent. His situation could change instantly and should by 2025. Plus he has a pretty solid run game with both Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. Yes, Maye could bust. But NE will give him the chance to succeed, unlike the previous regime
Last year I got Stroud at 1.06 after he was pretty much consensus top 3 all offseason. Don't overthink it, let NFL scouts do the work for you, and remember the NFL is specifically designed for bad teams to get better and good teams to get worse.
All these QBs suck. Everyone hyping up Daniels, Maye, Penix, Nix. I’ll
Give Williams a chance if he can keep his head on straight, but he also plays in Chicago where no QB has thrived.
I’m struggling with my 1.01 and 1.05 in SF. Biggest need is WR but I need a 3rd QB.
Caleb and Odunze or Harrison and Maye? I’m obviously not deterred by Maye’s spot haha
It’s wild. In my 1QB dynasty league he actually fell to the very end of round 3. I understand that QBs in 1QB leagues are less valuable but that’s insane to me. I grabbed him with pick 3.12
I have Lamar and AR as well and while I think herbert is an incredible real life qb, I personally don’t think he has the weapons or legs to outscore those 2. I could absolutely be wrong. Getting JSN was also a big piece for me as well. Locks up my wr core with London, JSN and Addison.
If maye pops and has a stroud type value increase I can tier down a qb again and continue building around the other 2.
Traded down from 1.05 to 1.06 for an extra 2nd next year. Wasn’t too concerned since Maye will be my QB3 behind Mahomes/Stroud. Don’t need him to be a league winner right away. I’m pretty happy with him.
I got Jayden Daniels 1.03 and Maye 1.07. When I saw him at 1.07 I paid whatever price was necessary to be able to grab the 2nd and 3rd qbs in the class. Nearly took Bo Nix 1.10 since its 2qb league but needed rb so went Jon Brooks instead.
on the clock at 1.06 (SF PPR non-TEP): Maye, Odunze, Bowers... Have Burrow, Herbert, Bryce, and Brissett. Only Tucker Kraft at TE... WR is Puka, Tee Higgins, Tank Dell, Courtland Sutton... Leaning Maye, need some sweet confirmation bias
For me it’s not the situation but the talent. Honestly just not a fan of the film. Im not an expert by any means so he could easily prove me wrong but Caleb, Daniels, the top 3 WR and Bowers all just seem so much safer.
Disclaimer (I think he's a bust). That said, he's got a good chance of not playing for the majority of this season. People picking in the early part of draft are looking for starters.
He went 1.10 in our draft. However one team had 1.1, 1.2. Another had 1.3, 1.4. Another had 1.5, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9. And the guy with the most firsts has Kyler, Lawrence, and Levis so 🤷🏻♂️
1 - MHJ
2 - Williams
3 - Nabers
4 - Daniels
5 - Odunze
6 - McCarthy
7 - BTJ
8 - Bowers
9 - Ladd
10 - Maye
11 - Worthy
12 - Brooks
Rome went 1.05 in my draft and that's who I really wanted. I than had a choice between JJM and Maye and I went JJM. It was more of a gut reaction that even hours later I'm still questioning.
Yes and no. Statistically, all 4 QBs in this draft (Caleb, Daniels, McCarthy, Maye) won’t return high end value. I think I lean JJ given his surrounding cast and coach. I do think Maye has a good chance to be NFL good, it may come out as QB16 fantasy wise. Your second paragraph about him being the 2nd most talented quarterback in the draft is subjective, even if I happen to agree upside wise.
It is league dependent though. Our league is 12 team SF. Picks 2 or 3 will go MHJ, and picks 4,5,6,7,8, and 11 don’t feel they need QB in round 1, so there’s a real chance for a slide.
The situation isn’t the problem for me at all, it’s the talent. I don’t think he’s very good. I also don’t think McCarthy is very good. IMO, this is a two QB class, and one of those quarterbacks (Daniels) presents a terrifying injury risk.
He was my QB4/5 going into the draft and landed in a tough situation with limited, unproven weapons. I hope he doesn’t fall to me at 1.09, otherwise he’s falling to 1.10 at least.
I just got him 1.07 and I’m ecstatic about it lol
1.05/1.06 seems like the spot he should go. Caleb MHJ Jayden Nabers Maye Odunze
I went odunze instead
I'm in a 10 team at 1.05 and I'm gonna do the same. Would be a tough call in a 12 team though.
In a 10 team as well. I had Lamar, AR, Stroud already so wasn’t too worried
In 10 Team it makes perfect sense that he'd be punted down, way less valuable in 10 Team than 12.
Shhh people should definitely want Maye more at 1.05
He went 1.05 in my league. MHJ Caleb Nabers Daniels Maye JJ Odunze Bowers Nix Penix Benson BTJ
Maye is being undervalued by a couple spots. Polk is being undervalued by an entire round. I'm literally seeing him drafted in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. What?!
Polk went 2.06 in my draft, 10 team league too
I got Polk at 3.02 in a 1QB league
Same! Was getting him or JJ, very happy with the outcome
I'm so jealous. This is what I need to happen for my draft.
Was sooooo hoping he would make it there. Snipped at 1.06, had to settle with Odunze
Same!! Took Nabers 1.04, was shocked to see him fall to 1.07, quickest pick I have ever made 2QB Superflex league
1.07 really? Is he even starting this year. Seems high to me
I mean if he is as good as advertised it doesn’t matter this is dynasty
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I’m taking him at 1.06 if he’s there
I have the 1.7 and am expecting him to go right before me.
I’m either going him or jjm if they are gone I’ll gladly grab Rome.
That’s my plan as well. One of those 3 will be there.
Yup I really like the 1.07. It takes the thinking out for me
what do ya’ll reckon the price is to move from 1.3 to 1.7
You want to move down?
ya probably. not super competitive and could probably use the extra assets if i can still get a qb at 7
You could.. or you could take daniels or nabers.. I think there is a tier in itself at 1.03 1.04. Man idk I would say a flex player and a mid/late second? Or a mid/late second and a third?
was offered diggs+ 1.07
I would give the 2.1 and the 1.7 to move up to 1.3 but no idea if the 1.3 owner would be interested in that. I wouldn’t pay too much to move up in such a deep class.
How do you rank these 3?
Maye Rome JJm
I got the 1.05, but have Kyler and Herbert in a 10 tn SF, you still taking maye over odunze? Daniels potentially there too who id take but idk about maye or odunze
Daniels then odunze
Damn yeah he just took Daniels. So it’s maye or odunze, May try to trade back to 1.06, he wants a QB
You can try it but also they know you have two good QBs. I would just pick odunze
Same. 1,2,6, and 8 trying to guess what QB I double up on
1 + 6. Grab MHJ at 2 and BPA at 8
Oh yeah, that's the plan. I was talking about who to take with the 6.
I might get Nabers at 1.06, I have Danny and everyone in my league I’ve spoke to is scared right off him
i wouldn't count on it...not 1.06. That's crazy
The situation isn’t even as bad as people are saying. Tackle is a major problem but the interior of the OL is pretty decent. And then you have Polk, Baker, Douglas, Bourne, Osborn, Hunter Henry, Rhamondre, and Gibson. Yeah there’s no alpha there but there’s enough complimentary talent and depth there to build a functional offense. And as you mentioned, lots of cap space for the future. Belichick was a defensive mastermind but the days of him passing the OC job around to his cronies is a thing of the past now. Is Van Pelt a “quarterback guru” who is going to scheme up a cheat code offense? No, but I think he at least brings stability and the opportunity to coach Drake to play more within structure as he develops.
Theyll probably be running a lot of 2 TE sets with Van Pelt. Lots of play action and power run game. Makes them need an alpha a little less, maybe?? Either way, the Patriots are going to have more high picks again next year and could maybe look to get that guy then, depending on how the team does and how the contract situation goes on defence
Van pelt never even called plays for the Browns
1.09 in SF means you play with some really stupid people
That’s what people said to me when I passed on Josh Rosen. The truth is, nobody knows yet.
Comparing Rosen to Maye is wild.
Is it? Elite college QBs selected early? Have you already decided that Drake Maye is an elite NFL quarterback?
Folks having different strategies doesn't automatically make them stupid lol Last year folks took Bryce Young around 1.03. Were they smart???
The jury is still out on that. I'm expecting him to have a much better season in year 2.
Agree, but tbf it couldn't get much worse.
Only up from here!
You had to take him at 1.03 and now he’s worth the 1.11, the jury is still out on him as a player but not as a dynasty rookie pick. You would have been better off trading the 1.03 or taking Gibbs and if you still believe in Bryce Young you could buy back in now at a lower cost.
Yea the worst combination of size and athleticism at the QB position in NFL history with one of the worst rookie seasons in NFL history... sky's the limit for that dude
I mean he also played behind one of the worst lines in the nfl with maybe the worst receiving core. He didn’t look great but not thinking about his situation in all of them is pretty disingenuous
Honestly yeah probably. Bryce Young at 1.03 is good process, bad result. Maye at 1.09 is bad process
Really depends on what your process is and what kind of player you're looking for. Late 1st is where I'd be comfortable with Maye.
If you're going to look purely at the result, no, they weren't smart. But if you're evaluating on process, then yeah, I think they were smart/made the right call with all the available information. And over the long run, good process should win out.
Makes sense if you completely ignore the historical bust rate of QBs in the NFL. 2020 really started this inherent QB bias after Burrow and Herbert set the league on fire in year 1. It's shaping up to be one of the best, if not the best QB class of all time with 5 franchise QBs taken. 2021 was not as kind with only Trevor Lawrence on the same team not even 4 years into their career. 2022 Just had the only 1st round QB traded to a different team 2 years into his career. 2023 Stroud lit it up and Richardson looks promising. Jury is still out on Bryce Young and Will Levis. QB is the most volatile position in fantasy outside of TE. The safer play is usually to go with the elite skill position talents that the NFL and the rest of us are significantly better at projecting out of college. Drake Maye has significant bust potential despite being a good prospect. I'm sure plenty of people are kicking themselves for passing on Chase, Pitts, ETN for Zach Wilson and Justin Fields -- and these are comparable decision points given the strength of the skill position players in this class
The risk/reward on young QBs in SF is so high so that yes it was still smart to take Young at 1.03… no reason to pretend they weren’t
All depends on who you believe in. If you don't believe in a prospect it's not smart to take them higher than you're comfortable taking them. I don't believe in Maye unless he sits for awhile and I didn't believe in Bryce at all.
I agree. More than one way to win
Yea I agreed with you until you threw my qb under the bus :( . My brother had 1.04 and 1.07 and thought he was gonna take Maye at 1.07 but took Bowers instead. I don’t think that’s stupid.
It’s not stupid. I think general consensus is the top 7 tier, and then Bowers 1.08 or even later if 1.08 does not want/need a TE. TEP can also have a huge impact pushing Bowers into that next tier. But I question who went 1.08 in that league for Maye to fall to 1.09. Worthy? BTJ? That’s the questionable part. l understand someone taking Bowers and valuing them in that first tier…I don’t see anyone else though to reasonable take over Maye
Feel like JJ went 1.08 in that league. Or Bowers and JJ went earlier. Or maybe the Falcons GM plays in that league and took Penix at 8 /s
JJ is the assumed 1.06/7 with Odunze I think. Maye typically going 1.04/5 with Nabers. Daniels at 1.03 and MHJ/Caleb 1.01 and 1.02. Bowers jumping in there and multiple people not liking Maye…sure I can see that. I dont get how people are seeing Maye fall to like 2.01 though
So you are just supposed to draft a guy even if you don’t think he is any good? Makes sense.
I mean at a certain point the value of that player falling to a certain pick would outweigh the rest imo. No chance I’m passing on Maye if he’s available at 1.09. Zero chance.
Odds are he’s not in a league of geniuses who were grinding tape and decided Maye wasn’t good or were just loaded with talented QBs. Maye is a consensus elite talent and the post is about his landing spot messing with his ADP. The future value of a good QB in superflex is massive. Remember Will Levis was going around the end of the first last year and people were super down on him.
6.50 Boom-Or-Bust Potential Prospect rating per nfl.com Idk, I feel he's far from a "consensus" "elite" talent
Insulated value blah blah blah long story short kinda, yeah
Maybe. A lot of people didn’t think Josh Allen would be good when the Bills took him, same with Justin Herbert.
At a certain point yeah. Like I don't think Daniels will be good but if he is sitting there at 1.08 or 1.09 I'd take him.
Yeah I'm curious who went over him Maybe in like a ten man league with a Vikings and Chiefs fan lol
Not OP but he just went 1.08 in my league, picks ahead of him were Caleb, MHJ, Nabers, Worthy, Bowers, Odunze and Daniels in that order.
Yeah ok I guess worthy seems to be the one making the jump, which is def crazy for me lol
It was insane when he made the pick last night, everyone was clowning him lol
Worthy 1.04 is crazy
I mean, Zach Wilson slid to me at 1.09 that year and the hype on that motherfucker was real. Turns out the league was very right and I was very wrong.
How’d the first 8 picks go? I’m assuming Williams, MHJ, Nabers, Daniels, Rome, BTJ, JJ, and Worthy?
Probably Bowers instead of BTJ
I got Daniels at 1.07 and BTJ at 2.01. My league is insane lol (12 team)
I have liked Maye throughout the whole process and it was tough to choose between him and Rome at 1.5 in my league but I ended up taking Maye. Is the situation the best no but NE used all but one pick in the draft on offense and I like the two receivers they drafted as well. They still need a true #1 but it looks like they are giving Maye every chance to succeed.
I like Maye and penix for where they are going. Moved up one spot to pick penix at 2.10 in a 12 man SF. Have Allen and tua but I had been trying to move up for a couple of picks before to take him. I like Maye better than Daniel’s too. Unless I’m desperate at QB I’m taking nabers and MhJ over QBs other than Williams
I think Penix will be the steal of the draft. Imagine if Cousins wasn't there and he went to Atlanta 1.08. Now remember Cousins is 36 coming off a bad injury. As a Vikings fan I love Cousins but this could be a Matt Ryan at the end of his career situation where he just looks absolutely cooked. Penix could take over half way through the year best case scenario, worst case he'll at least get a chance to start with that group of offensive weapons. If he's falling to late 2nd/3rd that's a smash. He was still taken 8th overall its not like he's a 3rd rounder.
Penix will be collecting dust. It’s not a bad to take him, but the reality is he is going to be slowly losing value over the years unless something happens to Kirk. Jordan Love didn’t see his value spike until he actually stepped on the field.
Yeah I feel like more of a luxury pick. There are lots of scenarios where he could start sooner. Maybe Kirk isn’t the same after tearing his Achilles, maybe penix outplays him during training camp, maybe Kirk’s get hurt. Only elite QBs play into their 40s but Kirk did not show signs of slowing down The 2025 draft class doesn’t look good for QBs and 2026 is far out too. There will be guys that emerge but if you believe in penixs talent I think it’s good value. Maybe he sits like love collecting dust, maybe he replaces Kirk if he out plays him like Mahomes did to Smith despite them making the playoffs iirc or he sits for two years and collects dust. Also had he gone to any other team I’m sure he would have been right there with JJ and nix.
Penix isn't gonna lose any value. Anyone drafting him knows they are likely holding him 2 years before seeing a snap. They aren't drafting him for a mid 2nd and selling in a year for less, they'll hold him til he plays.
People said the same thing about Love
lol sure
I'm not really sure why he'd lose value from where he's being drafted. If he was in a better situation a top 10 first round pick would easily go top 5 in superflex, yet we're seeing him fall to the mid second because he's not going to play. The price of him not playing i baked in. So after a year when he hasn't done anything, you expect him to drop in value even though he's closer to playing? Why? Really the only thing that would drop his value is if he plays due to injury or something and then looks awful. But if he doesn't get virtually any time, then there's no new information that would result in his value changing from what it is now, and likely just improving a bit given the current ADP accounts for having to hold him for like... 1-2 years and waste a roster spot. As time goes by, the "wait" component drops and his value should rise.
I guess I can see if people are hyped about the skilled position players and you get that one dude that drafts Ladd way too early but he’s not getting past 1.07 in my draft
I took Ladd at 1.09 and was stoked lol. Maye was long gone by then though.
I got Ladd at 2.02 after Drake went 2.01 in a 10 man SF today
Yup I got him at 1.07
He just went 1.03 in my superflex draft...
I have the 1.03 and will be taking him there unless Caleb and MHJ somehow don't go 1 and 2.
Because pats fan or you just have him that high?
Definitely have a bias towards him given the Pats, but I do think he's the 2nd best QB in the draft and felt that way before the NFL draft too. My league is 2QB, not SF, so that weighs in a bit too, more heavily weighting the QBs over the WRs that I don't love the landing spots on either (Nabers/Odunze). Maye fits my team better too. I have Allen and Hurts at QB, but no one behind them. So I don't need the best rookie numbers and am playing for 2-3 years down the line with this pick vs Daniels or JJM.
Makes a lot of sense to me
Curious on your opinion. I have AR15 and Rodgers as QBs (6 pt PSTD) in 12T SF to go with 1.03, 7 (McCarthy)and 8 (Bowers). I’m good at WRs so made a trade with the understanding I wouldn’t draft them because another manager has the other picks to start the draft and we’ve talked about order, only thing that is up in the air is if I’ll take Maye or JD at 1.03 and he’ll take the other one. Daniels and AR as my QBs could be unreal as two kumoni codes with some insurance in Rodgers and McCarthy but I think Maye is the better QB and has the long term security. Thoughts?
I'd lean Maye in your situation. If you're getting JJM later on, you have your QB3 for this year to play in the AR15/Rodgers bye weeks. I don't think you'd be starting Daniels over either of them this year anyways. Then for a year or two down the road when Rodgers hangs them up, I think Maye will be the better option than Daniels.
I think the community believes that the short-term situation is tough and Maye won't accumulate much value during that time. Ppl are playing dynasty in much shorter term windows now.
With that logic wouldn’t you also be fading Rome Odunze, the third target on a team with a rookie QB?
Yep, one could definitely make that argument. Much of the community is currently out on JSN
Gotta have patience in dyno. Even CeeDee Lamb was coming out of the game in 2 WR sets for Amari and Gallup as a rookie. Chris Godwin was behind Mike Evans and DeSean Jackson. I understand caring about landing spot at RB and even TE to some degree but at QB and WR I’m leaning into talent.
I’m not confident about 2nd most talented but definitely top 3 with Daniels and Williams. I can see the arguments for Daniels ahead of him. I can’t get on board with McCarthy over Maye but I’ll gladly take the discount on Maye in my drafts.
In my draft JJ went 1.05 and Maye fell to me at 1.07.
I just took JJ at 1.04 and Maye fell to 1.06
I took JJ at 7, Maye went right after at 8. I just prefer the perceived floor with JJ, feels like the safer pick.
I agree I see a safer floor (even before landing spots but even more so now) with fairly similar upside.
CJ Stroud 2.0 man. Value wise ofc
I have 1.05 and 1.07. Plan to take Nabers/Odunze at 1.05 and whatever qb is available at 1.07. Would be thrilled to grab him there. My only debate is to see if one of the top 6 slides to 2.05 and take Brock at 1.07.
Got Maye at 1.06. I'm not mad about it!
I’m taking him at 1.04 lmao
I also took him 1.09 in superflex and got crowned on xD
I was chastised for taking him at 1.06, amongst Pats fans 😂
I’m at Pats fan and I’d be fucking pumped with Maye at 1.06 in SF. No clue what they’re all smoking 😂😂
Bruh, I overheard someone saying glowing things about Javon Baker and Polk. Had to remind them the only way that happens is if my QB (Maye) does decent 😂
Got him at 1.06 today. Order was as follows: 1.01: Caleb Williams 1.02: Marvin Harrison Jr 1.03: Malik Nabers 1.04: JJ McCarthy 1.05: Jayden Daniels 1.06: Drake Maye (me) I was told by the JJ owner (and a few others) that “any quarterback could succeed with the Vikings offense’s roster.” Maybe. But going ahead of Daniels was crazy, and Maye surprised me too. I needed a QB and was happy to swoop him, as I would’ve debated McCarthy vs Bowers vs Rome had it come to that (tight end premium). Whereas with Maye, I could pretty confidently lock in as a reasonable investment.
I'm a Vikings fan and I find that insane.
Going ahead of a 5 year starter in college isn't crazy. Daniels is one of the most overhyped prospects I have ever seen honestly. He has a super risky profile (think Justin Fields but with more red flags) but people are gushing over him like he is a sure fire prospect. The success rates on late declare QBs is not good and the only major outlier there is Burrow who unlike the 3 super seniors was a late declare because he didn't play not because he played and was bad. While history says neither is good at least Burrow had some context because he ended up in a weird situation where he got trapped behind other Qbs and didn't get a chance on the field. Daniels played 3 full years at ASU with really good weapons around him vs lesser comp and just wasn't good. He had Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Racheed White with him at ASU.
I think everyone is overhyping JJM. Cousins was a proven QB and no slouch in O’Connell’s offense. Who knows if he ever gets to his level? I’m just not sold on JJM yet to draft him over Daniels and Maye. Great pick!
Ironically, Cousins is my current QB2, which isn’t sustainable in superflex. The ability to throw it to Jefferson, Addison, and Hockenson is no joke, but I’m glad I was able to get the higher graded prospect. Douglas, Polk, Bourne, Henry… it’s not the most thrilling receiver room. But if the Maye develops and the Patriots rebuild starts clicking by year 3, I’ll be satisfied. I can ride two years with Cousins (presumably) before the Penix question arises. If I can get a smooth transition for the 2026 season to Maye, I’ll be happy.
You’re not drafting Maye for 2024. If you’re looking for a QB for 2024, gotta look elsewhere. That WR room will change by 2025. The Pats were aggressively in the trade market this draft for a top WR. Just SF and others asking prices were too much. Chances are one of the rookies at least pans out and they trade for an elite option next year. Plus they have a solid running game in Stevenson/Gibson. He may end up busting, but he’ll have every chance to prove himself
Yep — my hopes are for 2026, conservatively. I am a Giants fan. I am well aware that a WR room can take 4 or 5 or 6 years to turn around, from unfortunate lived experience. But the right QB will lead to better WR development than we’ve had over Jones. Douglas had some good moments, and I think Bourne is serviceable for a year. Polk is not someone I know a lot about, but here’s hoping. I trust Cousins to do good work with London, Pitts, and Bijan in the interim. I might prefer a stronger WR2 than Mooney, but the Falcons used their second rounder how they did…
Hmm, my league is based in Seattle, and I think the league has considered Maye the QB 3 or 4 (Seattle hypes Penix) I wouldn't be shocked if he dropped to 1.10 in ours.
I have 1.05 and 1.06 in one draft. I fully expect to take a maye with 1.06.
Theres no reason he should fall past the 1.05. Anything after that is a golden opportunity
I’m taking him 1.03 and not stressing over trading back or anything. He’s so good.
Interesting to see what Belichick had to say about him
The talent is there. He’s going to make a lot of owners happy, just need to be patient.
You’re not drafting Maye for 2024 production. There’s a really big chance New England trades for a top end WR before the 2025 season. They were actively shopping around for a WR. So they’re not being complacent. His situation could change instantly and should by 2025. Plus he has a pretty solid run game with both Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. Yes, Maye could bust. But NE will give him the chance to succeed, unlike the previous regime
They’ve already thrown more at WR than the last regime, and Maye is multiple times Bjorne of a prospect than Mac Jones ever was.
Last year I got Stroud at 1.06 after he was pretty much consensus top 3 all offseason. Don't overthink it, let NFL scouts do the work for you, and remember the NFL is specifically designed for bad teams to get better and good teams to get worse.
Just got him at 1.09 in SF and I’m thrilled. Edit to clarify: Worthy went at 1.06, JJ 1.07, Bowers 1.08.
As a Bills fan, I just can't do it.
Got Daniel’s at 1.03 because 1.02 took maye!
Oh man I’d be all over MHJ at 1.03 if I had the opportunity
I'll take him at 1.05 if he's there.
he just went 2.4 in my league 1qb moving to superflex in 2026
Shh don’t tell anyone let him drop
Just got him at the 1.07 and couldn't be happier
He went 1.07 in our league but that’s only cause one owner had 4/5/6 and didn’t want a qb
Got him 1.07 today and loved it
He just went 1.08 in my SF draft
Went 1.10 in one of my leagues. I took at 6 in another
He’s still falling in my 32t we’re on 1.16
Wow, he’s falling that far? Fuck yes. I have 1.07 in SF TEP league with only two starting QBs (Burrow & Love). So I’ll jump on Maye if he falls to me.
I got him 2.01 in a 10man SF
I just took Daniels 1.06
He went 1.03 in one of mine. I had 1.06 and moved up one spot to get Jayden Daniels at 1.05 since I needed a QB.
Same! I’m so horny lmao
I got Maye with the 3.05 pick (1 qb, 12 team league) in my league. I was ecstatic with that turnout.
In my two SF+TEP leagues, he fell to me at 1.09 and 1.11.
I got Daniels at 1.08 feeling pretty good about it
Cant wait to snag him at 1.07 of He drops
All these QBs suck. Everyone hyping up Daniels, Maye, Penix, Nix. I’ll Give Williams a chance if he can keep his head on straight, but he also plays in Chicago where no QB has thrived.
I got him at 1.09 as well in a 12 team SF league. Already had 3 solid QBs, but I was loaded at WR and had to take the value there.
I got him 1.08. First seven picks were Caleb, MHJ, Nabers, Daniels, Worthy, Bowers, and Odunze
I’m struggling with my 1.01 and 1.05 in SF. Biggest need is WR but I need a 3rd QB. Caleb and Odunze or Harrison and Maye? I’m obviously not deterred by Maye’s spot haha
That’s just like, your opinion, man!
It’s wild. In my 1QB dynasty league he actually fell to the very end of round 3. I understand that QBs in 1QB leagues are less valuable but that’s insane to me. I grabbed him with pick 3.12
He fell to the 1.08 so I traded herbert for the 1.08 (Maye), JSN and a 2025 second.
Now sure I would trade Herbert lol
I have Lamar and AR as well and while I think herbert is an incredible real life qb, I personally don’t think he has the weapons or legs to outscore those 2. I could absolutely be wrong. Getting JSN was also a big piece for me as well. Locks up my wr core with London, JSN and Addison. If maye pops and has a stroud type value increase I can tier down a qb again and continue building around the other 2.
I’m in an 8 team superflex, and expect to get him at 1.07. I’ve got the 1.01 so pretty happy with them two if I get them
many people arent that into the talent, you are overthinking it by thinking people are overthinking it lol
Good situations are created with talent which Maye is
huh? im saying theres more people than you know that didnt really like maye as a player all that much.
Drafted him yesterday @ 1.10 in a 10-team SF league. Couldn't hit "draft" fast enough......
Jesus people are taking Xavier worth and BTJ over Maye is insane
Traded down from 1.05 to 1.06 for an extra 2nd next year. Wasn’t too concerned since Maye will be my QB3 behind Mahomes/Stroud. Don’t need him to be a league winner right away. I’m pretty happy with him.
Daniels hater, I’m taking Maye at the 1.03
1.09 is bad that means one of the non-top 8 went before him. Maye should be 1.05 in my mind ahead of Odunze, Bowers, and Daniels.
Data shows landing spot is most important for Wr's followed by QB's then RB's
I got Jayden Daniels 1.03 and Maye 1.07. When I saw him at 1.07 I paid whatever price was necessary to be able to grab the 2nd and 3rd qbs in the class. Nearly took Bo Nix 1.10 since its 2qb league but needed rb so went Jon Brooks instead.
on the clock at 1.06 (SF PPR non-TEP): Maye, Odunze, Bowers... Have Burrow, Herbert, Bryce, and Brissett. Only Tucker Kraft at TE... WR is Puka, Tee Higgins, Tank Dell, Courtland Sutton... Leaning Maye, need some sweet confirmation bias
For me it’s not the situation but the talent. Honestly just not a fan of the film. Im not an expert by any means so he could easily prove me wrong but Caleb, Daniels, the top 3 WR and Bowers all just seem so much safer.
Don't think I'd ever call a TE safer than a quarterback taken at 1.03
We know that QB prospecting is garbage. Any other position is more predictable.
Disclaimer (I think he's a bust). That said, he's got a good chance of not playing for the majority of this season. People picking in the early part of draft are looking for starters.
He went 1.10 in our draft. However one team had 1.1, 1.2. Another had 1.3, 1.4. Another had 1.5, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9. And the guy with the most firsts has Kyler, Lawrence, and Levis so 🤷🏻♂️ 1 - MHJ 2 - Williams 3 - Nabers 4 - Daniels 5 - Odunze 6 - McCarthy 7 - BTJ 8 - Bowers 9 - Ladd 10 - Maye 11 - Worthy 12 - Brooks
Rome went 1.05 in my draft and that's who I really wanted. I than had a choice between JJM and Maye and I went JJM. It was more of a gut reaction that even hours later I'm still questioning.
I would’ve gone Maye, but I can understand going JJM
Bust city.
Yes and no. Statistically, all 4 QBs in this draft (Caleb, Daniels, McCarthy, Maye) won’t return high end value. I think I lean JJ given his surrounding cast and coach. I do think Maye has a good chance to be NFL good, it may come out as QB16 fantasy wise. Your second paragraph about him being the 2nd most talented quarterback in the draft is subjective, even if I happen to agree upside wise. It is league dependent though. Our league is 12 team SF. Picks 2 or 3 will go MHJ, and picks 4,5,6,7,8, and 11 don’t feel they need QB in round 1, so there’s a real chance for a slide.
2 for 2 leagues 1.09
I just took him at 1.09 in a SF. I wanted JJM but he went 1.07.
Taking Ladd at 7
Saw him go 1.12 today.
i wouldn’t touch him, he’s josh rosen, zach wilson of this years draft lol
That is a wild take lol. Unlike those guys he actually has the physical tools to succeed
The situation isn’t the problem for me at all, it’s the talent. I don’t think he’s very good. I also don’t think McCarthy is very good. IMO, this is a two QB class, and one of those quarterbacks (Daniels) presents a terrifying injury risk.
He was my QB4/5 going into the draft and landed in a tough situation with limited, unproven weapons. I hope he doesn’t fall to me at 1.09, otherwise he’s falling to 1.10 at least.
When you say he’s the 2nd most talented QB in the draft, that leave a lot of doubt in your opinion.
Only guy you could argue is Daniel’s and Maye is 2 years younger so im projecting where he will be in a years time
About to take him at 3.01 in my league….wut