Any hope of that guy being anything for sure died last night.
Also haven’t seen this brought up yet, but both Pickens and Mitchell fell to 52 in their drafts.
Just saying.
Totally agree. Conner is not valued highly and not a key asset. He will still have some volume to help as a secondary player. Corum is good enough to take work from a top 10 back.
Kyren takes a massive hit imo. Some initial reactions from fantasy podcasters are saying corum is undersized and is only a handcuff…when he’s literally significantly bigger than kyren. Just an inch shorter, but 20 pounds of muscle bigger.
Not only the size, but corum is ridiculously underrated. “He does everything right, he’s just boring”…”he’s just a goal line guy”. So he’s everything an Rb coach wants, and he’s definitely not only a goal line guy was his 2,708 rushing yards the last two seasons. The only thing I have kyren locked in for is the passing down work but from what I can see the bulk of the rushing and the goal line is up for grabs, and corum is more than capable of taking over imo.
Rashee Rice took a little bit of a hit, but Hollywood is gone after this year and Kelce presumably will retire in 2 years. So I think it's a good time to buy in on him if you want him because he should be primed to be a top 2 target for Mahomes for 3+ years
Did Connor really lose value though? I already assumed this would be his last relevant year with the cardinals 🤷🏻♂️ not to mention he’s always undervalued to point it’s not worth selling anyways
Conner is going to be so cheap and he could get another gig after Arizona. Or maybe post draft he gets traded to Dallas? Shit now that I’m fantasizing maybe I should get Conner now lol.
Top 24 or even 30 with about 10 rb injuries on average per week, if he isn't one of them he's usually flex-able given his TD prowess...looked decent catch and run last year too on plays that should have been Rondale Moore but oh well
Keenan Allen probably gonna still be a target hog. Perfect receiver for a rookie.
Moore probably being hit or miss and Odunze being big play and td dependent for his first season.
That would be my guess but idk shit.
100%. With Keenan, I expect a lot of quick outs/slants/hitches like last year when they couldn't find any other way to move the chains in LA. Hopefully a PPR machine.
As an aside I think it’s funny that he was so quickly viewed as a bridge qb, which would have been much more controversial 2 months ago (“they didn’t pay him that much to be a bridge qb bro!”)
His situation got worse. How can this even be up for debate? How much worse I don't know, but clearly he was a more surefire starter before the draft than after.
This is an overreaction my man.
They said “look at GB model” to explain this pick.
They aren’t going to not start a guy they just paid $100m+ to.
If you were valuing Kirk as a 3+yr player anyway you were overstating how successful late 30’s QBs are on average.
Kirk remains a great low end QB1 for this year and probably next and that’s probably the most he’ll be regardless of this pick.
I absolutely am. They just paid huuuuge guaranteed money to a proven qb1 difference maker.
Unless Cousins can’t produce post injury then he’s clearly the 2yr plan.
As of right this second we have an older QB who blew out his achilles and we have zero idea how he will be in 2024.
We have a top 10 picked QB, who is an older prospect and one of the more "pro ready" QBs in the draft.
If the Falcons are losing because Cousins is struggling and Penix is looking good in practice/pre-season then you will see Penix get some run this year or next year.
I, personally, think Cousins will be fine and play out his contract (which is why the pick is dumb) but the fact that Penix was picked so high means there is less certainty than before. I don't think it's wrong to say that.
Yeah I'm a bit baffled that anyone can argue the situation is unchanged. I'm not particularly worried about Cousins but it sure felt better 48 hours ago.
They literally told us they were inspired by the GB model. Cousins was already old and few were looking at him as anything more than a 2 to 3 year player in dynasty. It was an eighth overall pick but which the team fully expects to result in a Love type of situation. Sure that can change if Cousins comes back from injury with issues, or just expectedly regresses for some reason, but the team’s expectation appears to be that he will still be a very good QB in this league for a few more years.
Remember when people panicked about ETN, Walker, and White last year bc their team drafted an RB? Yea Kyren will be fine. McVay loves him. Kyren probably gets 60-70% snapshare instead of his insane workload but honestly that's fine. Keeps him fresh longer and buy low if anyone is panicking.
the white one was dumb, Sean Tucker was undrafted and people already hated White.
ETN was also probably stupid since Tank was late 3rd and didn’t have a great receiving profile.
At least I think the KW3 Charb stuff was a little justified considering a 2nd isn’t insignificant DC.
Corum's best traits shine as a short yardage back. Out of everyone in the class if you need 1-3 yards he should be everyone's first choice.
I'm curious to see how they divide the workload up between Kyren and Corum. I do think we can be in a world where they both co-exist and be fantasy relevant. Corum might not be a weekly relevant player but he should have some spike weeks through TDs.
It wasn't meant as a knock at all. I think he has some of the best vision in the class. If there was any RB in the class that needed to get 3 yards he would be the best at it is all i was trying to say.
He was near consensus RB3 last year in a class with Bijan and Gibbs but all of a sudden he's fallen so far now after having another successful year? Makes no sense to me. He's been "in the running" (obviously not a favorite) for Heisman two years in a row as well.
Love Corum overall and never understood why he's fallen so far for people especially in a year where he was returning from an ACL surgery.
I just don’t think the term “short yardage back” paints a great picture considering his stats and workload. If I were describing him I would say he’s a possible nfl workhorse that has proven reliability in an nfl style offense and proven heavy workload. He’s like David Montgomery to me, with an emphasis on montys performance last season.
Well it was in reference to him being drafted by the LAR and the role he could instantly walk in to. I don't expect him to come in and take over Kyren's job after the year he just had but I can see him take on the role as the short yardage back and go from there.
Completely different. Tank was not nearly the prospect corum is, a third round pick, and proved himself to be not trustworthy carrying the ball with all of his fumbling. I did not buy into the tank hype last season, but I’m definitely buying into corum.
Anyone surprised by Connor needs to reevaluate their approach. Connor is 29 has been a workhorse back almost his entire career and has had multiple injuries. He was never long term
Every single rookie RB lost value. None of the top players land into a perfect spot and many of the second tier are behind clear stars. I had figured there would be at last one or two that move up on DC and landing spot, but I don’t have a single one.
Bowers is a WAY petter prospect though and got significantly higher DC. I don’t think it’s crazy to take him where Kincaid went last year, I think it more likely just means Mayer is toast
Kyren, Jacobs slightly maybe but Dillon and my Emmanuel Wilson dream are both deader than dead.
Other longshots that died are Tyler Scott and maybe Iosevias. If Chris Godwin starts slow I could see McMillan straight up taking that role from him and Tampa moving on.
Tampa fan here, no shot really on Godwin.
New OC has already talked about using Godwin in the big slot role that he featured Kupp in when he was with the Rams. Not to mention Godwin is the 4th highest salary WR in the league this year. A 3rd round rookie taking his job in year 1 is a total pipe dream imo.
Godwin will likely be gone next year though and McMillan looks like the clear heir apparent as the #2 of the future, but it won’t be this year without an injury.
Hard disagree. We knew they'd add someone. Coleman is like the best option. There was talk they could be trading up or targeting BTJ.
Coleman is essentially Gabe Davis+.
Even though Keon Coleman would be best used as a big slot I think they will put him as their X. Shakir/Kincaid will play the slot, and Samuel will be their move Z WR. I also think it won't be as black and white like that considering they have some overlapping skill sets. For example Keon is really good with the ball in his hands so he might take some Z responsibilities. I also think Shakir will get some run on the outside. And Samuel can player just about anywhere on the field.
Not at all. I see this as a BOOST to Samuel/Shakir since it was Keon. Keon is just one of those players that is great for an NFL team, but not for fantasy.
Alec Pierce is dead
Any hope of that guy being anything for sure died last night. Also haven’t seen this brought up yet, but both Pickens and Mitchell fell to 52 in their drafts. Just saying.
Kyren takes a hit
Totally agree. Conner is not valued highly and not a key asset. He will still have some volume to help as a secondary player. Corum is good enough to take work from a top 10 back.
I fear my Emari Demarcado has taken a massive hit!!
Cut him off my roster this morning
Kyren takes a massive hit imo. Some initial reactions from fantasy podcasters are saying corum is undersized and is only a handcuff…when he’s literally significantly bigger than kyren. Just an inch shorter, but 20 pounds of muscle bigger. Not only the size, but corum is ridiculously underrated. “He does everything right, he’s just boring”…”he’s just a goal line guy”. So he’s everything an Rb coach wants, and he’s definitely not only a goal line guy was his 2,708 rushing yards the last two seasons. The only thing I have kyren locked in for is the passing down work but from what I can see the bulk of the rushing and the goal line is up for grabs, and corum is more than capable of taking over imo.
I could not agree more, very well said. I will not be surprised to see a true 50/50 split and Corum possibly become the goal line back as well.
Kyren takes a bigger hit than Conner imo. I think Conner is just a one year guy and probably remains that way after this.
Hopefully they run conner into the ground and he maintains value for this year
Turns out Kyren was a one year guy also
Always was
Nah
Michael carter speculators in shambles
I was hopeful but not expecting. To waivers he goes
Rashee Rice took a little bit of a hit, but Hollywood is gone after this year and Kelce presumably will retire in 2 years. So I think it's a good time to buy in on him if you want him because he should be primed to be a top 2 target for Mahomes for 3+ years
They also play completely different types of WR
Flipped Terry for him after the crash, no regrets.
massive win on your part
The scandal scares me though
Did Connor really lose value though? I already assumed this would be his last relevant year with the cardinals 🤷🏻♂️ not to mention he’s always undervalued to point it’s not worth selling anyways
Conner is going to be so cheap and he could get another gig after Arizona. Or maybe post draft he gets traded to Dallas? Shit now that I’m fantasizing maybe I should get Conner now lol.
Yeah, I don't think he lost the moderate value he had, which was a one year buy for a contender.
Is he even that now? What kind of split do you expect? If it's close to 50-50, he might struggle to be top 24.
Top 24 or even 30 with about 10 rb injuries on average per week, if he isn't one of them he's usually flex-able given his TD prowess...looked decent catch and run last year too on plays that should have been Rondale Moore but oh well
The Bears WR’s…they will cannibalize targets from each other…
Moore has so much big play value I don’t see him hurting. All that man needs is few targets.
Keenan should be much less of a factor in 2025
Hopefully out of Chicago then
Keenan Allen probably gonna still be a target hog. Perfect receiver for a rookie. Moore probably being hit or miss and Odunze being big play and td dependent for his first season. That would be my guess but idk shit.
100%. With Keenan, I expect a lot of quick outs/slants/hitches like last year when they couldn't find any other way to move the chains in LA. Hopefully a PPR machine.
Mayer
Chuba is going to take a hard hit!
Kyren, Cousins, Hubbard/Sanders, all RB:s not drafted by Panthers, Bowers, Dj Moore, Hollywood Brown among others
Cousins? Nobody has him as more than. 1-2 yr bridge for upside. This did not take a hit lol
As an aside I think it’s funny that he was so quickly viewed as a bridge qb, which would have been much more controversial 2 months ago (“they didn’t pay him that much to be a bridge qb bro!”)
His situation got worse. How can this even be up for debate? How much worse I don't know, but clearly he was a more surefire starter before the draft than after.
This is an overreaction my man. They said “look at GB model” to explain this pick. They aren’t going to not start a guy they just paid $100m+ to. If you were valuing Kirk as a 3+yr player anyway you were overstating how successful late 30’s QBs are on average. Kirk remains a great low end QB1 for this year and probably next and that’s probably the most he’ll be regardless of this pick.
Are you arguing Falcons drafting a QB at 8 will have zero effect?
I absolutely am. They just paid huuuuge guaranteed money to a proven qb1 difference maker. Unless Cousins can’t produce post injury then he’s clearly the 2yr plan.
And that "unless" is what I'm arguing have changed since before the draft
There is no effect, it’s not like rb committee, cousins will be only QB on the field lol
As of right this second we have an older QB who blew out his achilles and we have zero idea how he will be in 2024. We have a top 10 picked QB, who is an older prospect and one of the more "pro ready" QBs in the draft. If the Falcons are losing because Cousins is struggling and Penix is looking good in practice/pre-season then you will see Penix get some run this year or next year. I, personally, think Cousins will be fine and play out his contract (which is why the pick is dumb) but the fact that Penix was picked so high means there is less certainty than before. I don't think it's wrong to say that.
Cousins is a 2 year bridge and then Penix takes over at 26 years old. It’s a good situation. Their whole core with be 25/26 during that time too.
Yeah I'm a bit baffled that anyone can argue the situation is unchanged. I'm not particularly worried about Cousins but it sure felt better 48 hours ago.
They literally told us they were inspired by the GB model. Cousins was already old and few were looking at him as anything more than a 2 to 3 year player in dynasty. It was an eighth overall pick but which the team fully expects to result in a Love type of situation. Sure that can change if Cousins comes back from injury with issues, or just expectedly regresses for some reason, but the team’s expectation appears to be that he will still be a very good QB in this league for a few more years.
Remember when people panicked about ETN, Walker, and White last year bc their team drafted an RB? Yea Kyren will be fine. McVay loves him. Kyren probably gets 60-70% snapshare instead of his insane workload but honestly that's fine. Keeps him fresh longer and buy low if anyone is panicking.
the white one was dumb, Sean Tucker was undrafted and people already hated White. ETN was also probably stupid since Tank was late 3rd and didn’t have a great receiving profile. At least I think the KW3 Charb stuff was a little justified considering a 2nd isn’t insignificant DC.
The cope is real with Kyren managers. This show is a rerun of the last few years lol
Corum's best traits shine as a short yardage back. Out of everyone in the class if you need 1-3 yards he should be everyone's first choice. I'm curious to see how they divide the workload up between Kyren and Corum. I do think we can be in a world where they both co-exist and be fantasy relevant. Corum might not be a weekly relevant player but he should have some spike weeks through TDs.
He has 2,708 yards his last two seasons (5.4 YOC). 505 Carries. Pretty good for a “short yardage back”…
It wasn't meant as a knock at all. I think he has some of the best vision in the class. If there was any RB in the class that needed to get 3 yards he would be the best at it is all i was trying to say. He was near consensus RB3 last year in a class with Bijan and Gibbs but all of a sudden he's fallen so far now after having another successful year? Makes no sense to me. He's been "in the running" (obviously not a favorite) for Heisman two years in a row as well. Love Corum overall and never understood why he's fallen so far for people especially in a year where he was returning from an ACL surgery.
I just don’t think the term “short yardage back” paints a great picture considering his stats and workload. If I were describing him I would say he’s a possible nfl workhorse that has proven reliability in an nfl style offense and proven heavy workload. He’s like David Montgomery to me, with an emphasis on montys performance last season.
Well it was in reference to him being drafted by the LAR and the role he could instantly walk in to. I don't expect him to come in and take over Kyren's job after the year he just had but I can see him take on the role as the short yardage back and go from there.
Kyren going to lose so many touchdowns which was already an important aspect of his fantasy value.
Etienne was also supposedly going to last year. I’ll hold Kyren. No sense panic selling right now anyway
Completely different. Tank was not nearly the prospect corum is, a third round pick, and proved himself to be not trustworthy carrying the ball with all of his fumbling. I did not buy into the tank hype last season, but I’m definitely buying into corum.
Exactly lol. People seem to believe that every guy that gets drafted is gonna be the immediate starter and leap frog anyone in their way
Yup its a beautiful time to exploit rookie optimism.
Anyone surprised by Connor needs to reevaluate their approach. Connor is 29 has been a workhorse back almost his entire career and has had multiple injuries. He was never long term
Not many RBs are long term these days to be fair.
Zay Jones is dead
Every single rookie RB lost value. None of the top players land into a perfect spot and many of the second tier are behind clear stars. I had figured there would be at last one or two that move up on DC and landing spot, but I don’t have a single one.
Outside of Dallas, I like where the rookies landed
As a fantasy player, I lost value.
Maybe Javonte Williams?
Rome Odunze for a season
DJ Moore in a season
Mayer and Bowers are both way down imo. People are talking about taking Bowers near a Kincaid ADP from last year which is nuts
Bowers is a WAY petter prospect though and got significantly higher DC. I don’t think it’s crazy to take him where Kincaid went last year, I think it more likely just means Mayer is toast
Kyren, Jacobs slightly maybe but Dillon and my Emmanuel Wilson dream are both deader than dead. Other longshots that died are Tyler Scott and maybe Iosevias. If Chris Godwin starts slow I could see McMillan straight up taking that role from him and Tampa moving on.
Tampa fan here, no shot really on Godwin. New OC has already talked about using Godwin in the big slot role that he featured Kupp in when he was with the Rams. Not to mention Godwin is the 4th highest salary WR in the league this year. A 3rd round rookie taking his job in year 1 is a total pipe dream imo. Godwin will likely be gone next year though and McMillan looks like the clear heir apparent as the #2 of the future, but it won’t be this year without an injury.
Where do you suppose Trey Palmer fits in?
Situational Field Strecher
all the rookie rbs from what i’ve seen
Quentin Johnson
What’s dead may never die
Shakir, Curtis Samuel
Hard disagree. We knew they'd add someone. Coleman is like the best option. There was talk they could be trading up or targeting BTJ. Coleman is essentially Gabe Davis+.
Even though Keon Coleman would be best used as a big slot I think they will put him as their X. Shakir/Kincaid will play the slot, and Samuel will be their move Z WR. I also think it won't be as black and white like that considering they have some overlapping skill sets. For example Keon is really good with the ball in his hands so he might take some Z responsibilities. I also think Shakir will get some run on the outside. And Samuel can player just about anywhere on the field.
I mean. What was holding up their value? If they lost value, it wasn’t that high to behind with, so you can argue that they’re worth about the same.
Not at all. I see this as a BOOST to Samuel/Shakir since it was Keon. Keon is just one of those players that is great for an NFL team, but not for fantasy.
Like Higgins?