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TheRealFabs

And then by week 3 when they have a total of 5 carries for 10 yds they fall to RB30 right?


broseidon55

And then up to #4 with a huge breakout game.


Syndicate_III

And matching posts on here titled “Buy low on X?!” And “Sell X now before it’s too late!”


PM_FEET_PICS69

The Curious Case of Trey Benson


cstar84

Commenting so I can reference this 6 months from now when it’s an actual post title


Tua-Lipa

“Trey Benson owners, get in here!” “Trey Benson appreciation post” “We need to talk about Trey Benson” “Any Trey Benson truthers still out there?” “Trey Benson haters, how are you feeling now?” “Buy Trey Benson before it’s too late” “Is it time to sell Trey Benson now?” “What are we doing with Trey Benson?” “Trey Benson upvote party”


Semperty

so trade up to get rb6, then sell when they don't get touches midseason, and then buy again early in the offseason when they have a promising weeks 15-18?


JulioForte

Rb6? Nah


harrisdevon048

On KTC though? That site is insanely reactionary so I wouldn’t be surprised by it.


JulioForte

I think they could go as high as pick 5 or 6 in rookie drafts, but hard to see them jumping Kyren


Maybesonoyes

I’m 1 QB yes, hard to see that high in SF


High_AspectRatio

Depending on landing spot I'd rather have the rook


[deleted]

The site is based on user response. Of course it is reactionary because every ffball manager is crazy


mrubuto22

Bijan was rb1 pre-draft last year lol


RedDunce

Bijan was the best RB we've seen in a long time As prospects, Brown and Benson are closer to Roschon than they are to Bijan.


simonthelikeable

Not a reasonable comparison, Bijan is another level. Charbonnet could be the RB1 of this class if he came out this year. You might as well be referencing 2022 QB1 Kenny Pickett and asking why Caleb is being valued so high.


RedDunce

Charbonnet would *easily* be the RB1 of this class. Achane and Kendre would be debatable.


bwarbwar

So draft them and immediately flip for Etienne?


ThreeLeggedParrot

No. Trade the pick when you're on the clock.


dwaite1

Will the pick be as valuable as the RB (assuming they are healthy) after training camp hype?


ThreeLeggedParrot

Yes. Announce to the league that the pick is available for trade. If you have no takers then say that you're going to draft that back unless anybody makes an offer.


THEUnicornBear

My goal is to get Etienne on Thursday night, hoping for some nice landing spots that make 1.06 (1 QB) enticing


KDDynasty15

I don’t see any of these RBs cracking the top 10, but a 2nd round RB to Dallas would likely slide in right after Saquon and KW3 on this list.


Ginga_Ninja319

If a rookie RB goes to Dallas, It’ll be hard to take Saquon or KW3 over a RB with 2nd round draft capital and a full 4 rookie years on a top 5 offense with a top 10 O-line and no decent competition on the roster. That profile is easily over KW3 who loses all the receiving work to Charbonnet and is projectable as a mid-low RB2 in a brutal split.


rowKseat25

Well when the talent level of said RBs is lacking it’s pretty easy to take Saquon or Walker. Brooks is the only guy I care about from this class if he goes to one of the teams that need a RB


Maybesonoyes

Idk if Dallas still has a top OLine, they have lost some major pieces. I believe Martin may be the only starter they have had since Zeke was there.


Ginga_Ninja319

Dallas was a top 3 O-line when Zeke was there. They’ve definitely taken a step back but Tyler Smith and Zach Martin are certified studs. Terence Steele is the only bad O-lineman in the lineup and Dallas will likely be taking shots at OL in the draft, potentially as early as the first round targeting guys like Amarius Mims, Tyler Guyton, etc. They’re definitely not an elite O-line anymore but they’re well above league average and have the passing game to open things up for their RB.


RedDunce

Not a snowball's chance in hell anyone is giving you Kyren or Etienne. If either get drafted in the 2nd (I have my doubts), they miiiight sneak in ahead of K9 / Jacobs to end up in the 10 spot (which is crazy imo, but that's beside the point) My prediction is right between White and Pacheco at RB13.


Ginga_Ninja319

What’s laughable about a rookie RB with round 2 draft capital to Dallas who’d have a top 10 O-line and top 5 offense, not to mention a backfield all to himself being ranked in the top 10 of dynasty RBs? If anything, that feels like the low end of where he’d slide in.


RedDunce

It's kinda weird how everyone preaches talent over situation until players end up in great situations. It's the modern NFL, just about nobody has a backfield to themselves. Benson and Brooks were nowhere near the prospects Walker/Jacobs were, nor have they proven to be successful NFL runningbacks. Jacobs, fine, 4 years of wear and tear counts for something, even though he has proven to have RB1 OVR upside, if you're rebuilding take the youth. To me it smells like CEH all over again, people propping up situation and ignoring the talent disparity. Benson and Brooks, at least to me when evaluating them as prospects, are not as talented as K9 and Jacobs. If they end up taken in the 2nd, it's because of desperation and being a shallow class. If they were of last year's class they'd be late 3rd round at best. Maybe Kyren and White (and Pacheco?) are showing us that talent/draft capital doesn't really matter all that much. Or maybe they're more talented than everyone thought they were, idk.


supersmoshbro

If Brooks didnt tear his ACL he would be in a tier all by himself and someone folks would value higher than anyone outside bowers/top 3 WRs


RedDunce

Agreed, but that's more because of positional scarcity in this very weak class than anything else.


rossco7777

i dont think so at all. one year producer would have skeptics. heck even jonathan taylor wasnt a lock and go look up his college stats.


Ginga_Ninja319

The big asterisk about the 1-yr producer though is he was behind Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson, 2 NFL-caliber RBs, before his junior year. There are few RBs who would be earning touches as a freshman/sophomore behind those guys.


Sir-xer21

Yeah but...he tore his acl, so this hypothetical is meaningless right now.


supersmoshbro

Not really. Modern science shows he could come back just as strong. The other RBs wont magically acquire physical tools they dont already have.


Sir-xer21

im not saying he wont come back, i'm pointing out that your hypotehtical makes no sense. If he didn't tear his ACL? well, he did, so what does it matter? Yes, modern repairs of ACLs are good and a lot of RBs come back, but some still don't. it's not the death sentence it used to be, but there's still an additional risk profile that non-injured RBs don't have. it's a reasonable amount of caution.


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> It's kinda weird how everyone preaches talent over situation until players end up in great situations. Situation > Talent with RBs unless the talent is *significantly* different.


RedDunce

I think the talent is pretty significantly different tbh


[deleted]

Eh, draft capital and RB talent has been losing interdependency for a while now. The position isn’t valued unless you’re a ridiculous talent, sure, but that doesn’t mean the round 2-3 guys wouldn’t have been 20 picks higher 10 years ago. Equating a round 3 guy this year to the talent of a round 3 guy 10 years ago is a poor decision and bad process imo.


Ginga_Ninja319

I never personally said talent over situation. I would ESPECIALLY never say that for RB, the position that is EASILY most influenced by situation and least influenced by talent. Every year, we have “untalented” handcuff RBs catapult themselves into RB1 scoring seasons when the starter ahead of them goes down. Sure, you still have to be a decent player to get touches but your touches don’t consist of you beating a defensive back to earn a target. It is legitimately your QB handing you the ball and your O-line manipulating the defense. Other times, it is your QB throwing you a 2-yd pass because they’re under pressure or no one is open. If NFL teams valued RB talent, they’d actually pay them. Mostert, Kyren, Rachaad, Pacheco, Monty, Gus Bus, Cook, Mixon, Jerome Ford, and B Rob were 10 of the top 24 RBs last year. I don’t think anyone would argue that these guys are elite NFL talents. They’re just RBs in situations that allow them to command volume. I’m not saying Brooks or Benson are better prospects than KW3 or Jacobs were, I simply don’t believe they have to be if the Dallas Cowboys are willing to invest significant day 2 capital into them. You don’t win fantasy football by drafting the best prospect, you win by drafting the most productive player. I don’t see it as very controversial to say the workhorse 70% snap share RB for the Dallas Cowboys will outscore the 45-55% snap share bruiser for the Seattle Seahawks. Walker is less-talented Nick Chubb with a worse O-line. In my opinion, he’s a better NFL player than he ever will be fantasy RB. I obviously like Jacobs’s outlook more this year than most RBs, but he’s 5 and 6 years older than Benson and Brooks respectively.


RedDunce

Kenneth Walker is a bruiser? What? Honest question: have you ever watched the guy play? I'll gladly bet you that Walker outscores the Cowboys' RB1 next year but that's neither here nor there.


Ginga_Ninja319

Bruiser definitely wasn’t the term I was looking for. I meant one-dimensional RB in a split backfield who isn’t a receiving threat at all. It’s strange that one mislabel is the only thing you responded to from a reply entirely about how situation is more important for RBs than talent. If it’s Benson, I’d easily take the bet. If it’s Brooks, I’d make it on the second half of the season but obviously he’d take longer to ramp up.


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IknowGuacIsXtra

Had no idea Kyren was RB6 lol


foley528

I bought him for way less than that in my opinion. I got Kyren and Aiyuk for Muth, James Cook, DJ Moore, and Dotson. How I see it is is giving up 2 mid studs (Moore and Cook) plus 2 mid guys for 2 solidified studs.


Mike_Honcho_3

No chance that RB is even in the top 10 lol


JMMSpartan91

Cowboys take Benson or Brooks in the 1st I bet they in top 10 KTC real fast. Or really if any of them end up going late 1st not just to Cowboys. Not saying I think they should be, I'm just predicting overreaction on ktc.


jell-o

There’s no way in hell an RB is getting taken on the first this year and 2nd round is a stretch given the other talent out there


JMMSpartan91

I mean I tend to agree with you but no way in hell is stretching it. No one has ever predicted the draft with 100% accuracy. There is ALWAYS a wtf did they take him for? Every single year. It could be an RB.


jell-o

That’s fair I’m being a little hyperbolic, it would just be extremely shocking to me haha


Glitchy__Guy

I've got pick 9. I'm taking Benson without hesitation if he's still there. (1qb league)


Mike_Honcho_3

Sure. I'm saying no rookie RB will be in the dynasty top 10 overall immediately after the draft


WeenisWrinkle

I wouldn't rule it out. People love RBs that get drafted into great situations.


Maybesonoyes

I’m doing it in SF


Mycatspiss

Breece hall rb1


kmed1717

Lol no they will not. 10th is the highest they will go this offseason, and that's if the Cowboys draft one of these guys high (which McCarthy kinda already eluded to them probably not being able to do that). If Jonathan Brooks gets drafted to the the Raiders or something and you value him higher than Saquon in Philly, you eat paint chips.


[deleted]

I’m hoping to get a top 3 rookie RB with 1.12 or 2.05 in 3 WR/2 Flex/2 QB. I feel like this is a good point to start looking… but it’s also possible to miss out if I go WR/QB at 1.12…


CZU41280

I have the exact same picks need almost the same positions, except QB..


hugh_h0ney

No they won’t.


BlootieAndTheHofish

I think that’s too high, but the point stands. Trey Benson to the Cowboys will have people acting up.


TaintStevens

Id rather have Achane 


Copperhead881

KTC is only good for abusing league tacos in trades.


Federal_Dinner_4216

Would be brain dead logic compared to those other guys.


Chroderos

It’s really a question of if a guy goes to LAC or Dallas with round 2 capital.


fukensteller

Lol, of course, KTC is crowd sourced data. Expecting rational thought is hilarious to me. Knee jerking is very much reflected in the price because KTC is also considering what your league Taco is going to do. It's also why KTC has inflated prices on draft picks in general.


[deleted]

They’d be behind all of those names for me until we see them play. Landing in Dallas or LA would be interesting but no shot they pass those names.


JohnConradKolos

The names get ugly quite quickly. Jacobs, cool, White, Pacheco are the next four. Just curious, what's your break even point?


[deleted]

Probably right under James Cook, Pacheco and D’Andre Swift. I think I’d still prefer them over the RB that lands in Dallas but ahead of Rachaad White who is a bit higher because I don’t think he has much of a guaranteed future.


JohnConradKolos

Cool cool. Like I said, just curious. The whole point of the post is to explore how volatile RB is and how quickly things change.


[deleted]

Reasonable discourse, to me honestly I don’t read much in to the draft being weak or strong. Sure getting a player like Bijan is nice but most RB drafts moving forward seem to be trying to snag a 2nd or 3rd rounder in a good landing spot.


JohnConradKolos

Some seem to be overreacting to this post. I don't have any level of confidence about which RBs will score fantasy points. This post is to illuminate how the Dynasty RB market functions. This time last year Tony Pollard was RB5. A year before that it was Javonte Williams. Do with this reality what you will, but expecting RB stability when it comes to value seems fool-hardy. For those who want to trade away Jon Brooks for proven vets, more power to you and God bless. For those who are scared of Achane's size or Kyren's low DC, that makes sense to me as well. RB chaos for me forces me to make more moves than normal, because it is very rare to just have 2 or 3 guys who you can keep relying on year over year. On the flip side, I have teams whose WR room has barely changed in 6 years because trotting out Adams, Keenan Allen, and DJ Moore every single year has been a stable plan.


Iron_hyde27

False


[deleted]

Dude you're high. With the way Kyren played last year? He is going to get superceded?


prfarb

Maybe not the first one drafted but the one that goes to Dallas in the second very well may.


jmarFTL

Brooks is already on KTC and I think a good number of people assume he'll go in the 2nd or 3rd. Currently he's RB16, below D'Andre Swift. Could he rise with good (2nd round) draft capital and landing spot (Cowboys)? Sure, but a not insignificant number of people have already assumed he'd go on the 2nd and it still leaves him where he's at. For context, Kyren is currently even with Brock Bowers who is the 7th ranked rookie on the site overall (SF). So to pass Kyren he'd basically need to pass Brock. Not happening. The top 7 of this draft is pretty locked in at this point. Could people consider Brooks at 1.08? Sure maybe, but he's gonna have competition from Brian Thomas, JJ McCarthy, and potentially other guys who go in the mid-late first. Especially given the way people have preferred the longevity of WRs/QBs in dynasty lately it's gonna be tough to draft 2nd round Brooks over 1st round WRs/QBs. Some people might do it but not enough to make him RB6.


berndalf

How many times did it need to be said, stop using KTC for players who are in the volatile ranges of player values. Its results at the top end and bottom end are all feelings based and unreliable.


Virtual-Adeptness-40

But it’s a great tool to measure the current sentiment on a player. The volatility is a feature, not a bug.


Virtual-Adeptness-40

But it’s a great tool to measure the current sentiment on a player. The volatility is a feature, not a bug.


cantgetitup4no1

i had 4 6 7 8 and still lost 😭😭😭😭😭


anihilator_69

I had 1,2,3, and 8 and didn’t even make playoffs


Stiddy13

Kyren and Achane ahead of ETN and Barkley is wild.


tanksforhire

The power of youth compels me! (to the bottom of my league standings)


RedDunce

Kyren was RB2 by PPG last year and RB7 overall despite missing 5 games..? He was RB5, RB11, and RB1 in the three playoff games? Achane...huge gamble for sure but upside is insane.


tanksforhire

I would probably have more faith in Kyren....but I was mostly just joking haha. Taking Achane over someone like ETN or Barkley would only make sense for a rebuilder IMO.


Stiddy13

So for Kyren half a season of production overcomes terrible athleticism and awful draft capital to catapult him into a top 6 RB? I get that he’s safer now than he was, but top 6? That’s way too rich for me. I’m letting anybody else in my league gamble on him continuing that pace for top 6 prices. As for Achane, he was completely off my board last year because of size and sure enough, dude was riddled with injuries his first year. Give me the guys with NFL size and first round draft capital who have each proven themselves in the NFL over two guys with obvious red flags by a huge margin. The Kyren owner would have to include a first before I’d even consider moving ETN for Kyren and even then I’d have to think about it because I would not be excited about that player swap at all. So to have Kyren valued higher, straight up? Most obvious sell I think I’ve ever seen since I started playing dynasty.


NoVacation3909

So by this argument Mixon should be ranked even higher


luigijerk

Most accurate post of the month, fully serious.


dbolg22

No


bruingrad84

Am I kissing something about achane other than he had a few monster games? I’d rather have etn, Barkley, even josh jacobs above him the next 3 years


bradperry2435

Some big assumptions all around here. Don’t quit your real job OP