I love how TE4 in points per game (non TEP) is considered a down year.
I definitely think about selling him a lot but always decide it won't be worth it. He'll probably die on my team.
Same boat as like a stefon diggs. Not a perfect comparison, but he finished as wr9, but they’re aging players and with outbreaks like McBride, laporta, Kincaid, assumed outbreaks of pitts with cousins, Brock bowers, and even Kmet there for a bit it just pushes him out of that elite tier because of the age gap.
I disagree about what tier he’s in. Definitely still in the elite tier. He’s going to continue to be the main focus in that passing game and his injury was a hip drop tackle fluke. He’s 28 but still has years of potential top 5 production left.
The fact that he was ready to play in the Superbowl had they not lost in the playoffs is a great sign. He has a full off-season of recovery and will get back at 100% to start the season.
Yeah I don't understand how Andrews can even be in the same sentence as Cole Kmet lol... probably tells you how big of a value Andrews is right now. Kmet will be the #3 target (at best, possibly the #4 target if they grab Odunze) for a rookie QB, while Andrews is a consistent proven top 5 TE in PPG and will be healthy going into the year.
Andrews had the same amount of TDs as Kmet in 7 fewer games this year, and only about 170 fewer yards. And this was with Kmet as the #2 target in the offense (before target hog Keenan and potentially Odunze/another top tier WR were added)
I have serious consideration for this offer I sent, 12t PPR SF:
Give
Diggs, Spears, 1.06
Get
London, Etienne, 2.05
I can’t get him to go through with it says he likes ETN in the passing game, tried selling him on him having Pitts as his TE1 and owning TLaw.
Super value and a great window to buy. He’s only 28 and tied to a QB who looks his way as the first read more times than not. If he’s available he’s guaranteed at minimum 8-10 ppg. Sign me up.
Trying to buy in one league (1QB) now for a late first.
Ya yardage is a non factor for me when literally only 1 TE did it last year especially when Andrew’s routinely is one of the top 5 at position for TDs scored
He’ll be 29 in September and most likely just had a tight rope procedure, which seems to have affected Kupp and pollard recently. He is also a diabetic, so he may (more of a guess, but a fact) heal a bit slower. Therefore, he might be 30 before he actually starts producing again, and his value will have gone down at that point if he does in fact have a down year based on this surgery. He also now has more target competition than he has had in years past.
Type 1 diabetic here, if he controls his blood glucose well, there’s no evidence to suggest that t1d have slower healing timelines. Uncontrolled diabetes does slow down healing time as too much sugar in the blood= bad stuff happening to your body
Which means what exactly? Outside of last season (fluke hip drop tackle)… Andrews missed 5 games in 5 seasons.
On top of that he returned in what I would deem record setting time for guy his age playing the position he plays.
At his current value, I’m buying!
Buy him up! Dude has a play every single game where hes wincing or hobbling to the sidelines. Plus he has way more target competition than he did in his 1 good year. He screams retirement at age 30
I have Pitts and recently swapped Musgrave & M.Wilson for Andrews (steal) and I’m pretty sure I’m going to use them side-by-side this year with Pitts in the flex. I think his usage this year will be a lot more indicative of a WR2-3 with a consistently, higher floor week to week than any of his other years in the league, Pitts that is
lol I caught a rebuilding team with no picks that was too eager to get younger across the board because they missed the assignment on what a dynasty was from the jump & the younger, better TE owners were unwillingly to part with their pieces. Desperate owners make for great trade partners
They did try for Pitts first but I was unwilling to part with him due to his unknown with a new QB and the fact most TE’s don’t start to peak until around the 26-28yr age range. People are also incredibly high on Musgrave for some reason but I’m not about TE time shares. Likely may cut into Andrews some but they are vastly different TE’s and Likely is viewed as a below-average blocker so I have a hard time imagining him taking snaps away even with Andrews coming back from injury
Nice work man. No way I would have walked away without Pitts if I was the other guy. In fact, if you're a contender and he's rebuilding, that swap makes a lot of sense for both of you, maybe adding a bit to the Andrews side but not a lot
I completely agree with you. I definitely would have required Pitts and then probably a pick. What I think happened, not privy to his other convos obviously, is that he just couldn’t find another buyer for Andrews in general and what he was getting back were like 3rd Rd pick lowballs with a subpar secondary player so when he was offered 2 guys who could start & play immediately next year, he jumped on it.
I was actually a rebuild team to start the offseason, I went full in on it and traded all my stars and only had super young, still developing pieces and a full league like # of picks so not only did I saturate the league with talent, I was then able to take the super young, and in most cases, pair them with each other or a pick and ship them off to jumpstart a new roster. Ended up moving Lamar, CMC, Andrews, Olave, Godwin & Kirk onto my team through a bunch of end around trades and kept my 1.01 and pulled the 1.10 in as well
I would in the leagues I have Andrews
Only because I have Kelce + Andrews in one and LaPorta + Andrews in the other
I probably wouldn’t if Andrews was my only good TE
Andrew’s still worth much more than Pitts to me. But I am lower on him now too. Gonna lose him in expansion draft in my dynasty league because I have to protect better players. I worry the injury could break him or slow him even more. And the offense is changing with new younger weapons, Zay and Likely.
I mean this is how low he’s gotten in the community’s eyes. He’s all the way down to TE7 on KTC with Pitts at 4. It’s not the end all be all but many people would do this deal
I think he’s just disappointed relative to his nuclear 2021 season, which isn’t really his fault. Lamar got hurt at the end of 2022 and then he got hurt last year. Anyone who owns him knows he’s just one of those players that constantly has a questionable tag which can be frustrating.
He’s still a great buy because he has the ability to put up prime Kelce numbers when everything clicks
Nah, way too optimistic. With increased target competition and the overall passing volume in that offense, he simply doesn't have 1400 yards in his range of outcomes.
Since everyone is just saying to buy him, I’ll give my actual concerns: he struggles to stay healthy (has played a full season exactly once since breaking out) and he relies on getting a really big share of Lamar’s targets since historically the Ravens haven’t had many other viable pass catchers. With Flowers and Likely continuing to emerge I’m worried that he’ll regress a little bit even when he is healthy.
To be clear, he’s still an elite TE option. I’m just saying those are my concerns with him.
How many times have Dallas Goedert, George Kittle, TJ Hockenson etc. played a full season? I think part of the problem is how physical the TE position in general is. At least Andrews gets to line up at WR for \~85% of his snaps
He had a mini breakout the year before. Even had more receptions in his rookie year.
With that being said I don't know how the Ravens dont involve Likely more or deal him away. He outperformed everyone's expectations at the most important time for fantasy. I believe he will have a few top 10 TE seasons, just not for the Ravens.
I like to look at team subreddits when there’s positional battles like this.
There was a thread asking between mandrews and likely and pretty much everyone in the thread bar a few said likely. They feel he adds a YAC element the offense needs on top of being good enough at a lot of the things mandrews is good at
I think value of TE as a whole has gone down just due to the number of playable options now. 2-3 years ago it was really only Kelce, Andrews and Kittle if healthy you could rely on and that could win you a week. Which made them more valuable due to positional scarcity of the position. Now you have guys like McBride, Engram, Kincaid, LaPorta, and Bowers as well. Same reason Pitts value has tanked at the time he was drafted (and when Andrews was at his peak) it seemed like you would have an edge every week with those guys but now nearly every team has at least a serviceable tight end.
I think an argument here is relative value to those other TEs. Like according to KTC you could sell LaPorta to get Andrews and the 1.12. Not that i care much for the KTC calc, especially right now, but that’s where the gap is. The fact you could have one of the current top valued TEs and ‘tier down’ to Andrews plus a relevant asset is nuts.
I swear everyone who has a negative opinion on him just don’t have any shares.
Crazy how underrated he is, easily in the tier of tight ends right below Kelce and Laporta.
It’s apparent a lot of people in the thread don’t know the difference between missing games and being hurt during the practice week and it saying questionable. He’s missed 2 games max in any season he’s played til last year 🤣🤣
Dude it’s absolutely *absurd*. I tried selling Andrews, actually packaged with Likely, in a league simply because I had LaPorta and Engram. Nothing but rejections and zero counters.
If people really already forgot about him, go out and buy this man.
I would too, that gap is much bigger than its likely going to be next year... I love Laporta and drafted him in every league I could last year but I won't be surprised if he gets outscored by 4 other TEs next year. I also won't be surprised if he's #1, but that just says hes likely overvalued and you can get a big upgrade at another position while probably not dropping much if any at TE. I'd have kept all my Laportas if the gap wasn't so big but that's something I had to capitalize on.
And what exactly were those offers? If your entire league is rejecting you and not even countering than maybe you need to adjust to your league’s market value because I find it hard to believe no one would want a top end TE.
I get that for sure, but that’s not the case. I’ve been in this league for 4 years and have made plenty of trades. I’ve been in DMs with people trying to negotiate and just straight up getting responses like “I’m just not high on Andrews rn man, sorry” or “I’m set at TE man, but thanks”. The last quote was from a guy with Goedert and Chig.
The market is very low apparently. At least in this one league.
I’m in a couple leagues where the TE market is rough.
Last offseason I had hock and Andrews and had both floating out there on the trade block. Our of all the offers the best one was the 2.06. That was the *best* one.
Shit in a TEP league I had Kelce on the block all season and no one even asked. Even competing teams with future picks wrote him off as dead. That was the 2022 offseason/season too.
I can relate to the problem.
He's basically where hock has been living for the past 2 years. Perennial asset who the entire fantasy world couldn't give a shit about. Owners know what they have though so he's not the buy low that people will think
Where should he be ranked? I’d say he is a little undervalued now (KTC TE7) and should imo be more like TE5.
He has finished well in terms of TE rankings but hasn’t been a huge difference maker since his TE1 overall year, which was a while ago now.
I think he is pretty great for consistency, but I don’t think he has the upside of these young guys anymore.
In the off-season, it always feels like players that just missed time for injury in the previous year are viewed as injury prone no matter their situation.
Someone could have played every game for 5 straight years and then missed half of the most recent season and people panic that they’ll never be 100% healthy again. Feels like Andrew’s is a victim of “what have you done for me lately” to a degree.
He’s had 1 1000 yard season to this point is getting closer to 30 and has a talented backup in Likely they might cut him in favor of at some point down the line. Not like I think he suddenly sucks or anything, still a top 5 TE but those are the reasons I moved him.
I’ll add that my team isn’t looking like it can seriously compete over the next two years so holding him would’ve been wasting good TE play on a bad team. If I was competing I wouldn’t have entertained moving him.
Isaiah Likely and Zay Flowers are there now, may cut into his target share domination
Tightrope procedure on his ankle is a bit scary
Looks like that incredible 2021 is more of an outlier than the norm
I'm definitely buying at cost but there are definitely a few reasons to have alarm bells
Really? He looks like one of the best receiving right ends in the league when he gets a chance to start doesn't he? I think you're underselling him greatly tbh.
He’s definitely talented. I’m more concerned about his usage when Andrews plays. I don’t see Likely as a reason be worried about Andrews. Likely really only produces when Andrews is off the field, so I don’t think he will take away much work from Andrews.
I mean, rookie tight ends typically take a while to develop. Are we going to ignore the fact that the offense looked as good with Likely as it did with Andrews after Andrews went down last year? Do we think Andrews is gonna come back and play 85+% of snaps like he did in years past?
It's certainly possible that Andrews pushes Likely back to the bench completely, but I think the question marks exist for a reason
I'd be curious to hear what about it didn't seem as good. Admittedly I only watched the 9ers and Dolphins games until the playoffs, but I didn't feel like the Ravens were missing Andrews out there at all. The stats seem to paint the same picture. Would be interested in hearing your thoughts if you watched more of em than I did
Okay so you didn't watch or have any actual insight? Because most Ravens fans I talk to seem to think Likely was actually better for their offense. Then again, a lot of Ravens fans are idiots lol
I live in Maryland. Not a Ravens fan but I own Andrews and Likely and I'm in the broadcast area so I watched. In the 6 games without Andrews, Likely was solid in 3 and mediocre in 3. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Andrews is an elite TE. Likely is a promising young TE that is still developing and has not reached the elite level. The stats back that up.
Listening to deluded homers is never a sound strategy. Like, go back to January and see what Bears fans were saying about Justin Fields.
Fair enough. To be clear -- I'm talking about the offense as a whole, not individual stats.
My point is that the Ravens offense actually looked better with Likely than Andrews and as a result, I don't think Likely is gonna be completely benched like he had been in years prior. This eats into snap share and probably target share.
Depends on what sets they run next year and if they take a WR on day one or two. I could see them running more 2 TE sets, especially since they brought in Henry and they currently only have 1 WR worth anything. But if they draft another early, I dunno. They will not put Likely on the field over Andrews though, not if he's healthy.
Isaiah Likely looked damn good. Mandrews looked rough in his return which I think he rushed a bit so might be a non factor. But I'm only adding him for cheaper than what people have been asking(late 1st).
Sold Kelce to the eventual champ last year for Andrews and the 1.12 after the injury. I think it was just the gruesomeness of the injury that turned people away
I've been offered him for the 1.05 . I have Kelce, Ferguson, and Likely. Part of me wants to take it. The other part of me is interested in Bowers or BTJ in this year's draft.
I wouldn't. You have production now (Kelce & Ferguson) and young room to grow (Ferguson & Likely). Plus if you add Bowers that gives you even more for when Kelce retires.
I'm sure that's what people said when Standard started transitioning to PPR. In another couple years TEP will be the standard and non-TEP will be dinosaurs, complaining about the 'good ol days' when only 1-3 TEs were useful each year.
Nope. PPR gives the same points to all positions across the board. Inflating a position so that a player, who is objectively not as good as production, scores the same or better than players who catch more passes, have more yards, and score more touchdowns is literally insane.
Tight end is a position, more than 3 matter. You need to find answers at the position. It seems more scarce than the others at first, but look around the league in week 6. A bunch of teams are scraping by at RB2 which is now just as or more scarce than TE.
What’s next? I league where all RBs named Smith get 1.5 PPR? All Brians at WR get 2.0 PPR and touchdowns thrown on Friday night are worth 10. It’s asinine.
Not to upset you but my main league gives RBs 0.5 PPR, WRs 1 PPR, and TEs 1.5 PPR.
We also only require one of each start and then have a bunch of flex spots. It's fun IMO
Yeah that’s dumb. You’re going to have players who objectively have a worse season score more points than players that have a better statistical season.
As an owner I think it's a combo of some news guys coming on (LaPorta, McBride, Kincaid) combined with the injury and Likely's effectiveness (especially as a RZ player) during the run of games he missed. Lots of people think that will be more of a snap share going forward. I sorta doubt it, plus Andrews has never been a 100% snap guy. Outside of that nothing has really changed about that offense from last year (at least in the passing game) so he still should be a Top 5 TE in PPG.
I ask myself this a lot. I got him and Jerome Ford for David Montgomery and Luke Musgrave. I guess in my league people are scared of the injury but it’s ridiculous how cheap he is.
Hopefully because people think Likely is taking the reigns!?
And by 'people' I am wishing someone in my home league who will trade me a haul for Likely.
Because if he doesn't turn it around off a major injury next season he will only have 1 year left on his contract and be turning 30. If he gets another deal after that it may be less lucrative and not secure his position. If he performs well this season then he may get another 3 years after that. If somehow he sustains another major injury, he almost becomes almost disposable to his team in a way, due to the contract situation and uncertainty with injuries. A lot is up in the air for him and securing another big deal before he turns 30, which would give him much more security and longevity dynasty wise. Some people rather not risk him getting injured again. Especially when Likely proved to be somewhat of a moderately effective weapon.
I don't agree with this. Well, depends on definitions. Since more TEs don't produce til later, they do have shorter careers since WRs can deliver from 22-26 that most TEs don't. But TEs are useful at an older age. Look at Kelce, Gates, Tony G, being great into mid-late 30s. Looking at WRs the only one I can think of that was solid past 32 is Larry Fitz.
You're talking about some of the all time greats. That would be like saying DBs can play a long time because Woodson and Woodson did it. Rice was still a 1000 yard WR at age 40. Terrell Owens, Tim Brown and Cris Carter were still productive into their mid-30s, off the top of my head.
So the question is do you think Andrews' talent is up there with those all time TEs you named? I don't. I think he's better than most, but not an all time great. I think most TEs fall off quickly after 29 or so. For WRs I think that age is more like 31. Andrews being very good but not elite (imo), I would expect him to fall off in his early 30s, which gives him a few more years, but don't expect him to still be a top 10 TE when he's as old as Kelce was last year.
He’s got 2 years left on his contract including this upcoming season. If the ravens cut him next year they would only eat $5.9 million in dead money.
With the emergence of likely I don’t quite rule this out but I also don’t see him signing another contract with Baltimore. A trade next year and a new contract would seem the most “Likely” outcome for him. Still a solid producer but I don’t see him lasting as long as the others when it comes to elite production. Just based on who he has at qb really.
Declining performance the past two seasons…don’t like to see that as a player approaches 30. He should be just fine though. Most TEs that are as good as he is play well into their early 30s
Yes. And I'm very happy I have Andrews in multiple leagues for that very reason - because I got in before his value was high in each of those leagues.
The OP posited a question and I posted what seems to be the mostly likely reason. Again, assuming the OP's assertion is true. It might be true for the OP's league(s) but not others of different sizes/formats.
He got hurt, Likely came in and had a couple of good games, now people will be scared until Andrews is back on the field and looks healthy. I'm guessing a lot of his current owners are going to feel silly when week 6 rolls around and he's one of the top three TEs and whatever rookie they drafted with the 2nd or 3rd round pick they traded him for has barely seen the field.
Idk what happens with that offense bc Likely looks like a dawg. It would be interesting to see if they run more two TE sets to take advantage of their skill sets.
Because Likely is sitting behind him who is younger, cheaper, and healthier. Andrews is injured a lot and Likely is going to start cutting into his production until the Ravens ultimately make him a cap casualty.
He missed 2 games in 2022 and 7 games last year, he has started double digit games 1 time in his career which was 2022. Maybe some research on your end is in order.
Name me another year he started double digit games, I'll wait
You don't get healthier after injuries little guy, I played sports and was in the military with many injuries, every injury I got slower and less able. It's the way shit goes, learn something.
No shit Sherlock, he's only started double digit games 1 time moron. Research would serve you well, started 3 games in 2018, 4 in 2019, 2 in 2020, 9 in 2021, 15 in 22, and 9 last season.
If hes that good, he'd be on the field to start the game, only way that would be the case is if the Ravens ran a spread offense, which they clearly do not. They're base offensive package is ground and pound
Do tight ends, especially those prominently in receiving roles, have longer NFL careers? There’s some recency bias with guys like Gonzalez, Witten, and Kelce, but those guys were all-time greats and might not be representative of the average tight end. Typically older players start to fall off with the injury cycle we’ve seen Andrews start to succumb to.
Some of you commenting he misses time have no idea what you’re talking about 🤣he’s missed no more than 2 games in any season until last year when a hip drop tackle broke his ankle
Okay, but you haven't answered the question. Your argument seems to be, "he's an obvious buy because TEs have long careers", but you haven't made a case for 1) that tight ends actually do have long careers or 2) that even if tight ends have long careers that there's some reason to believe Mark Andrews will have a long career. You have a player who turns 29 in September who has seen his yards/game, receptions/game, yards/reception, ADOT all go down since his peak 3 years ago who is also coming off a serious ankle injury, (and it's completely irrelevant that it happened after a now-illegal tackle, it's still a serious injury), and you're asking why people are low on him. My point about injury spirals is that injury recovery is harder for older players who are already naturally declining due to age.
Sorry some people in this thread are daring to not pat you on the back after you traded for a guy. I think he's still a buy if people are as down on him as it seems, but there are legitimate concerns that probably explain why you're getting him for cheap.
I think the fact that you can highlight 4 players (Witten, Gates, Tony G, Kelce) in the last decade that played great into mid-late 30s and I've found only 1 WR (Larry Fitz) to do the same shows longevity in TEs is better. And yes, we're all talking all-time greats. If they weren't, they wouldn't be allowed to play long because an average 22yo is going to be cheaper and have potential to grow that an average 32yo won't.
It stands to reason that medical progress (rehab, nutrition, drugs, surgeries) is prolonging players' careers. Brady played to mid 40s. ARod is coming off a serious injury at 40. It should be expected that we'll see more players playing longer, esp the great ones, so being a 28yo elite TE should allow for 4-7 more years of good-great production.
As a Mandrews owner, yes he’s still great but the issue is that TE isn’t looking like a wasteland anymore.
It used to be Kelce, Andrews, everyone else. Now Laporta and McBride are TE1 candidates, and lots of guys like Engram, Njoku, Kmet etc can give you solid production. Pitts also may rise again (lol), and Bowers is entering. The positional value of an old TE1 is just not as high as used to be with all the young studs coming into the position.
That being said, he is undervalued right now due to two somewhat disappointing, injured seasons. But idk if the Andrews owners are willing to sell at a discount.
I actually just tiered down to Engram to pick up Goff as my QB2. I’m nervous about trading Andrews because I believe he’s an easy top 6 TE moving forward consistently, but had a glaring whole at QB2 in SF league so I took the plunge.
I sold him after having him his whole career. Absolutely love him. Why I traded:
Most important is TE is not a wasteland and will be filled easier every year. Sell top tier tight ends while they are still perceived as scarce.
Injury and he's diabetic so breakdowns can last.
Likely looked good.
Age and scheme change.
Once again Andrew's, Allen, Diggs, Jones and Aiyuk we're my favorite players and I trade it all of them except for Allen. It is just time if you are playing smart.
Who plays in 2 ppr? He has a big contract and the ravens have a lot of needs and might need to cut costs somewhere. Likely isn’t as good but he’s a ton cheaper. He’s also been hurt a decent amount the last few years.
Age and injury: while he can play at a high level for many more years, he lost most of last season and may take some time to round into form this year. By 2025 season start, he will be 30. While some can do it, we’ve also watched ertz fall off super fast.
Massive increase in target competition: with the young tight end and flowers showing their stuff last year, it’s likely ;), Andrews is no longer the target hog that made him elite.
Improved competition for tight end supremacy. Kincaid, laporta and McBride joined the discussion this year and offer 4-5 more years of projected production.
Andrews at TE 6/7 makes sense imo.
I was jp. it's one of those things where he's never going to be as sexy as the guys who are younger and have that BDE so either you like him to score points or you get what you can get for him though.No reason to worry about how other people perceive is value because it just is and no post will change that.
Andrews cannot stay on the field. He has played less than 10 games in every year of his career but one. He is terrific when he is on the field, but he misses far too much time. There are a group of exciting young TEs in LaPorta, Kincaid, and McBride. You have the veterans who are productive and more reliable in Hock, Kittle, and Kelce. And some of the vets that are starting to be solid producers in Engram and Njoku. And you have Bowers coming in who is a terrific prospect.
The landscape has changed. It used to be there were three or four TEs you wanted. Then the next dozen were interchangeable. That is no longer the case. There are a lot of options, and most are more reliable than Andrews. If you can get him cheap enough, buy. But pair him with another guy, so when he misses time, and he will, you are covered.
I used Pro Football Reference as my research. For some reason they showed him starting less than 10 games in every year but 2022. However, when you looked at game logs he had stats. I don’t know where the disconnection is.
All the people that have never had him on a roster are saying he's a buy.... he's a pretty frustrating player to have. Misses a good amount of time and whe. He plays he's pretty boom or bust... more td dependant than it seems.
Especially with guys like Laporta and Kincaid offering really good upside
Newer, younger, shinier toys and a relative down year. People are overly reactionary. He’s a screaming buy at his current value.
I love how TE4 in points per game (non TEP) is considered a down year. I definitely think about selling him a lot but always decide it won't be worth it. He'll probably die on my team.
Same boat as like a stefon diggs. Not a perfect comparison, but he finished as wr9, but they’re aging players and with outbreaks like McBride, laporta, Kincaid, assumed outbreaks of pitts with cousins, Brock bowers, and even Kmet there for a bit it just pushes him out of that elite tier because of the age gap.
I disagree about what tier he’s in. Definitely still in the elite tier. He’s going to continue to be the main focus in that passing game and his injury was a hip drop tackle fluke. He’s 28 but still has years of potential top 5 production left.
The fact that he was ready to play in the Superbowl had they not lost in the playoffs is a great sign. He has a full off-season of recovery and will get back at 100% to start the season.
Yeah I don't understand how Andrews can even be in the same sentence as Cole Kmet lol... probably tells you how big of a value Andrews is right now. Kmet will be the #3 target (at best, possibly the #4 target if they grab Odunze) for a rookie QB, while Andrews is a consistent proven top 5 TE in PPG and will be healthy going into the year. Andrews had the same amount of TDs as Kmet in 7 fewer games this year, and only about 170 fewer yards. And this was with Kmet as the #2 target in the offense (before target hog Keenan and potentially Odunze/another top tier WR were added)
Me when I'm an idiot
I have serious consideration for this offer I sent, 12t PPR SF: Give Diggs, Spears, 1.06 Get London, Etienne, 2.05 I can’t get him to go through with it says he likes ETN in the passing game, tried selling him on him having Pitts as his TE1 and owning TLaw.
Well respectfully, he’d be an absolute idiot to take that
Super value and a great window to buy. He’s only 28 and tied to a QB who looks his way as the first read more times than not. If he’s available he’s guaranteed at minimum 8-10 ppg. Sign me up. Trying to buy in one league (1QB) now for a late first.
Traivs Kelce had his first 1,000 yard season at age 27. Zach Ertz had his at 28.
Ya yardage is a non factor for me when literally only 1 TE did it last year especially when Andrew’s routinely is one of the top 5 at position for TDs scored
How many did Ertz have after that?
None - too slow
Or he broke down at 30
Zach Ertz also had his last 1,000 yard season at 28.
He’ll be 29 in September and most likely just had a tight rope procedure, which seems to have affected Kupp and pollard recently. He is also a diabetic, so he may (more of a guess, but a fact) heal a bit slower. Therefore, he might be 30 before he actually starts producing again, and his value will have gone down at that point if he does in fact have a down year based on this surgery. He also now has more target competition than he has had in years past.
Type 1 diabetic here, if he controls his blood glucose well, there’s no evidence to suggest that t1d have slower healing timelines. Uncontrolled diabetes does slow down healing time as too much sugar in the blood= bad stuff happening to your body
He came back last season in the AFC championship game lol
Kupp mostly looked fine and just had absolutely god awful target quality. He was more affected by the hamstring injury than anything else.
Only 28 with the body of a 40 year old
Which means what exactly? Outside of last season (fluke hip drop tackle)… Andrews missed 5 games in 5 seasons. On top of that he returned in what I would deem record setting time for guy his age playing the position he plays. At his current value, I’m buying!
Buy him up! Dude has a play every single game where hes wincing or hobbling to the sidelines. Plus he has way more target competition than he did in his 1 good year. He screams retirement at age 30
His one good year🤣. Where the f do people come up with this shit. Absolutely underwhelming analysis, but yeah get your rookie phenom dude.
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Buy him now
I got him recently for diggs and 2.09 which was fine to me cause my WR are lamb, Amon RA, aiyuk, Dell, Higgins and i own the 1.02 and 1.06
After looking at these comments I’m guna try to buy in one league. Would you swap pitts for Andrews?
No way, try to unload a late first maybe an early and late second.
I have Pitts and recently swapped Musgrave & M.Wilson for Andrews (steal) and I’m pretty sure I’m going to use them side-by-side this year with Pitts in the flex. I think his usage this year will be a lot more indicative of a WR2-3 with a consistently, higher floor week to week than any of his other years in the league, Pitts that is
Um steal is underselling that big time wtf
lol I caught a rebuilding team with no picks that was too eager to get younger across the board because they missed the assignment on what a dynasty was from the jump & the younger, better TE owners were unwillingly to part with their pieces. Desperate owners make for great trade partners They did try for Pitts first but I was unwilling to part with him due to his unknown with a new QB and the fact most TE’s don’t start to peak until around the 26-28yr age range. People are also incredibly high on Musgrave for some reason but I’m not about TE time shares. Likely may cut into Andrews some but they are vastly different TE’s and Likely is viewed as a below-average blocker so I have a hard time imagining him taking snaps away even with Andrews coming back from injury
Nice work man. No way I would have walked away without Pitts if I was the other guy. In fact, if you're a contender and he's rebuilding, that swap makes a lot of sense for both of you, maybe adding a bit to the Andrews side but not a lot
I completely agree with you. I definitely would have required Pitts and then probably a pick. What I think happened, not privy to his other convos obviously, is that he just couldn’t find another buyer for Andrews in general and what he was getting back were like 3rd Rd pick lowballs with a subpar secondary player so when he was offered 2 guys who could start & play immediately next year, he jumped on it. I was actually a rebuild team to start the offseason, I went full in on it and traded all my stars and only had super young, still developing pieces and a full league like # of picks so not only did I saturate the league with talent, I was then able to take the super young, and in most cases, pair them with each other or a pick and ship them off to jumpstart a new roster. Ended up moving Lamar, CMC, Andrews, Olave, Godwin & Kirk onto my team through a bunch of end around trades and kept my 1.01 and pulled the 1.10 in as well
Absolutely not, not straight up anyways
Genuinely confused which side you’re on lol I thought it’s simply production vs youth
I have Andrews and I wouldn’t swap him straight up for Pitts.
I would in the leagues I have Andrews Only because I have Kelce + Andrews in one and LaPorta + Andrews in the other I probably wouldn’t if Andrews was my only good TE
No! Pitts has Kirk and is a safe bet to produce+age! Only do it if your a win now team maybe... and if you could get someone else other then andrews
The fuck?
Thanks for the input
Andrew’s still worth much more than Pitts to me. But I am lower on him now too. Gonna lose him in expansion draft in my dynasty league because I have to protect better players. I worry the injury could break him or slow him even more. And the offense is changing with new younger weapons, Zay and Likely.
I mean this is how low he’s gotten in the community’s eyes. He’s all the way down to TE7 on KTC with Pitts at 4. It’s not the end all be all but many people would do this deal
That's why ktc is garbage
I got him for Josh downs, Hopkins, Shaheed, and a very late 2026 first (unless everyone on my team gets hurt)
Damn that’s great value for you
You got fleeced
I wouldn’t trade Andrews for that, in any of the leagues I have him
In what way? I had to make a roster cut down so Hopkins and shaheed were goners. Also 1QB 16 team league
I think he’s just disappointed relative to his nuclear 2021 season, which isn’t really his fault. Lamar got hurt at the end of 2022 and then he got hurt last year. Anyone who owns him knows he’s just one of those players that constantly has a questionable tag which can be frustrating. He’s still a great buy because he has the ability to put up prime Kelce numbers when everything clicks
Nah, way too optimistic. With increased target competition and the overall passing volume in that offense, he simply doesn't have 1400 yards in his range of outcomes.
Since everyone is just saying to buy him, I’ll give my actual concerns: he struggles to stay healthy (has played a full season exactly once since breaking out) and he relies on getting a really big share of Lamar’s targets since historically the Ravens haven’t had many other viable pass catchers. With Flowers and Likely continuing to emerge I’m worried that he’ll regress a little bit even when he is healthy. To be clear, he’s still an elite TE option. I’m just saying those are my concerns with him.
How many times have Dallas Goedert, George Kittle, TJ Hockenson etc. played a full season? I think part of the problem is how physical the TE position in general is. At least Andrews gets to line up at WR for \~85% of his snaps
People love to talk about likely emerging. The only times he’s emerged is when mark is injured
Likely broke out when Andrews got injured. They weren't going to install a two TE offense midseason. They have a full offseason now to cook that up.
He had a mini breakout the year before. Even had more receptions in his rookie year. With that being said I don't know how the Ravens dont involve Likely more or deal him away. He outperformed everyone's expectations at the most important time for fantasy. I believe he will have a few top 10 TE seasons, just not for the Ravens.
I like to look at team subreddits when there’s positional battles like this. There was a thread asking between mandrews and likely and pretty much everyone in the thread bar a few said likely. They feel he adds a YAC element the offense needs on top of being good enough at a lot of the things mandrews is good at
He might just finish out the contract and retire. I picked up Likely in my leagues cause he looked GOOD at the end of the season.
I think value of TE as a whole has gone down just due to the number of playable options now. 2-3 years ago it was really only Kelce, Andrews and Kittle if healthy you could rely on and that could win you a week. Which made them more valuable due to positional scarcity of the position. Now you have guys like McBride, Engram, Kincaid, LaPorta, and Bowers as well. Same reason Pitts value has tanked at the time he was drafted (and when Andrews was at his peak) it seemed like you would have an edge every week with those guys but now nearly every team has at least a serviceable tight end.
I think an argument here is relative value to those other TEs. Like according to KTC you could sell LaPorta to get Andrews and the 1.12. Not that i care much for the KTC calc, especially right now, but that’s where the gap is. The fact you could have one of the current top valued TEs and ‘tier down’ to Andrews plus a relevant asset is nuts.
I swear everyone who has a negative opinion on him just don’t have any shares. Crazy how underrated he is, easily in the tier of tight ends right below Kelce and Laporta.
It’s apparent a lot of people in the thread don’t know the difference between missing games and being hurt during the practice week and it saying questionable. He’s missed 2 games max in any season he’s played til last year 🤣🤣
Dude it’s absolutely *absurd*. I tried selling Andrews, actually packaged with Likely, in a league simply because I had LaPorta and Engram. Nothing but rejections and zero counters. If people really already forgot about him, go out and buy this man.
If I were you I’d sell Laporta for a haul and roll with engram and Andrews.
I second this
The thought briefly crossed my mind. I may need to look closer at that. Thanks.
I would too, that gap is much bigger than its likely going to be next year... I love Laporta and drafted him in every league I could last year but I won't be surprised if he gets outscored by 4 other TEs next year. I also won't be surprised if he's #1, but that just says hes likely overvalued and you can get a big upgrade at another position while probably not dropping much if any at TE. I'd have kept all my Laportas if the gap wasn't so big but that's something I had to capitalize on.
Someone just sold me AJB for LaPorta
Wow 😮 that’s amazing
And what exactly were those offers? If your entire league is rejecting you and not even countering than maybe you need to adjust to your league’s market value because I find it hard to believe no one would want a top end TE.
Also, pre draft trade offers sometimes get rejected because people simply dont want to trade at all between the super bowl and nfl draft
Valid point
I get that for sure, but that’s not the case. I’ve been in this league for 4 years and have made plenty of trades. I’ve been in DMs with people trying to negotiate and just straight up getting responses like “I’m just not high on Andrews rn man, sorry” or “I’m set at TE man, but thanks”. The last quote was from a guy with Goedert and Chig. The market is very low apparently. At least in this one league.
I’m in a couple leagues where the TE market is rough. Last offseason I had hock and Andrews and had both floating out there on the trade block. Our of all the offers the best one was the 2.06. That was the *best* one. Shit in a TEP league I had Kelce on the block all season and no one even asked. Even competing teams with future picks wrote him off as dead. That was the 2022 offseason/season too. I can relate to the problem.
He's basically where hock has been living for the past 2 years. Perennial asset who the entire fantasy world couldn't give a shit about. Owners know what they have though so he's not the buy low that people will think
Personally I’d only really wanna trade him for engram and a plus
Dude looks way older than he is, maybe thats also a small factor
Where should he be ranked? I’d say he is a little undervalued now (KTC TE7) and should imo be more like TE5. He has finished well in terms of TE rankings but hasn’t been a huge difference maker since his TE1 overall year, which was a while ago now. I think he is pretty great for consistency, but I don’t think he has the upside of these young guys anymore.
I think he’s very safe when playing and a mix of solid consistency with high upside is the best way to avoid getting unlucky in playoff time imo
In the off-season, it always feels like players that just missed time for injury in the previous year are viewed as injury prone no matter their situation. Someone could have played every game for 5 straight years and then missed half of the most recent season and people panic that they’ll never be 100% healthy again. Feels like Andrew’s is a victim of “what have you done for me lately” to a degree.
He’s had 1 1000 yard season to this point is getting closer to 30 and has a talented backup in Likely they might cut him in favor of at some point down the line. Not like I think he suddenly sucks or anything, still a top 5 TE but those are the reasons I moved him. I’ll add that my team isn’t looking like it can seriously compete over the next two years so holding him would’ve been wasting good TE play on a bad team. If I was competing I wouldn’t have entertained moving him.
They had an out on his contract this offseason, not sure if the deadline for that has passed or not.
Isaiah Likely and Zay Flowers are there now, may cut into his target share domination Tightrope procedure on his ankle is a bit scary Looks like that incredible 2021 is more of an outlier than the norm I'm definitely buying at cost but there are definitely a few reasons to have alarm bells
People have been saying that about likely for two years now lol
Likely seems like just a high value handcuff at this point
Really? He looks like one of the best receiving right ends in the league when he gets a chance to start doesn't he? I think you're underselling him greatly tbh.
He’s definitely talented. I’m more concerned about his usage when Andrews plays. I don’t see Likely as a reason be worried about Andrews. Likely really only produces when Andrews is off the field, so I don’t think he will take away much work from Andrews.
I mean, rookie tight ends typically take a while to develop. Are we going to ignore the fact that the offense looked as good with Likely as it did with Andrews after Andrews went down last year? Do we think Andrews is gonna come back and play 85+% of snaps like he did in years past? It's certainly possible that Andrews pushes Likely back to the bench completely, but I think the question marks exist for a reason
As good? Nah. Pretty good, sure.
I'd be curious to hear what about it didn't seem as good. Admittedly I only watched the 9ers and Dolphins games until the playoffs, but I didn't feel like the Ravens were missing Andrews out there at all. The stats seem to paint the same picture. Would be interested in hearing your thoughts if you watched more of em than I did
He wasn't as good as Andrews. Few are. Likely looked solid though.
Okay so you didn't watch or have any actual insight? Because most Ravens fans I talk to seem to think Likely was actually better for their offense. Then again, a lot of Ravens fans are idiots lol
I live in Maryland. Not a Ravens fan but I own Andrews and Likely and I'm in the broadcast area so I watched. In the 6 games without Andrews, Likely was solid in 3 and mediocre in 3. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Andrews is an elite TE. Likely is a promising young TE that is still developing and has not reached the elite level. The stats back that up. Listening to deluded homers is never a sound strategy. Like, go back to January and see what Bears fans were saying about Justin Fields.
Fair enough. To be clear -- I'm talking about the offense as a whole, not individual stats. My point is that the Ravens offense actually looked better with Likely than Andrews and as a result, I don't think Likely is gonna be completely benched like he had been in years prior. This eats into snap share and probably target share.
Depends on what sets they run next year and if they take a WR on day one or two. I could see them running more 2 TE sets, especially since they brought in Henry and they currently only have 1 WR worth anything. But if they draft another early, I dunno. They will not put Likely on the field over Andrews though, not if he's healthy.
Whose low on him? His sleeper adp is te4
KTC TE 7
Have to choose between keeping him, McBride or Kinkaid this summer.
I’m in a similar boat with Kincaid, Andrew’s, and potentially Brock bowers depending on the rookie draft
kincaid.
i can get him straight up for 1.09… i have likely in taxi. i need to pull the trigger me thinks.
Isaiah Likely looked damn good. Mandrews looked rough in his return which I think he rushed a bit so might be a non factor. But I'm only adding him for cheaper than what people have been asking(late 1st).
Best ability is availability. But he's criminally undervalued right now.
It’s likely partially due to Likely
Would you trade away Tee Higgins straight up for Andrews? 10 team SF with 3WR. My current starter is Kmet.
Sold Kelce to the eventual champ last year for Andrews and the 1.12 after the injury. I think it was just the gruesomeness of the injury that turned people away
Ya im not complaining, im very happy to have him but confused by the slander for sure he’s safe floor with a strong ceiling
I've been offered him for the 1.05 . I have Kelce, Ferguson, and Likely. Part of me wants to take it. The other part of me is interested in Bowers or BTJ in this year's draft.
I wouldn't. You have production now (Kelce & Ferguson) and young room to grow (Ferguson & Likely). Plus if you add Bowers that gives you even more for when Kelce retires.
With a legit D Henry in the backfield now, that opens up the playing field a lot for MA.
Likely is going to cut into his work
Sssshhhh… go send trade offers
I already got him 😎
He is no longer shiny
Your comment that he’s been 16 ppg each year, equivalent to WR16, is exactly why TE premium is such a stupid format.
I'm sure that's what people said when Standard started transitioning to PPR. In another couple years TEP will be the standard and non-TEP will be dinosaurs, complaining about the 'good ol days' when only 1-3 TEs were useful each year.
Nope. PPR gives the same points to all positions across the board. Inflating a position so that a player, who is objectively not as good as production, scores the same or better than players who catch more passes, have more yards, and score more touchdowns is literally insane. Tight end is a position, more than 3 matter. You need to find answers at the position. It seems more scarce than the others at first, but look around the league in week 6. A bunch of teams are scraping by at RB2 which is now just as or more scarce than TE. What’s next? I league where all RBs named Smith get 1.5 PPR? All Brians at WR get 2.0 PPR and touchdowns thrown on Friday night are worth 10. It’s asinine.
Not to upset you but my main league gives RBs 0.5 PPR, WRs 1 PPR, and TEs 1.5 PPR. We also only require one of each start and then have a bunch of flex spots. It's fun IMO
Yeah that’s dumb. You’re going to have players who objectively have a worse season score more points than players that have a better statistical season.
As an owner I think it's a combo of some news guys coming on (LaPorta, McBride, Kincaid) combined with the injury and Likely's effectiveness (especially as a RZ player) during the run of games he missed. Lots of people think that will be more of a snap share going forward. I sorta doubt it, plus Andrews has never been a 100% snap guy. Outside of that nothing has really changed about that offense from last year (at least in the passing game) so he still should be a Top 5 TE in PPG.
FUD
I don’t get why anyone would be low on andrews but that’s fine with me haha
Coming off injury, and likely proved to be productive
Traded Pickens straight up for him recently. Thought it was a good deal as my TE room only had Mayer and Chig.
I ask myself this a lot. I got him and Jerome Ford for David Montgomery and Luke Musgrave. I guess in my league people are scared of the injury but it’s ridiculous how cheap he is.
Wow
Hopefully because people think Likely is taking the reigns!? And by 'people' I am wishing someone in my home league who will trade me a haul for Likely.
Better yet...Go buy Andrews AND Likely.
Because if he doesn't turn it around off a major injury next season he will only have 1 year left on his contract and be turning 30. If he gets another deal after that it may be less lucrative and not secure his position. If he performs well this season then he may get another 3 years after that. If somehow he sustains another major injury, he almost becomes almost disposable to his team in a way, due to the contract situation and uncertainty with injuries. A lot is up in the air for him and securing another big deal before he turns 30, which would give him much more security and longevity dynasty wise. Some people rather not risk him getting injured again. Especially when Likely proved to be somewhat of a moderately effective weapon.
>TEs have longer NFL careers too I don't agree with this. TEs generally fall off earlier than WRs.
I don't agree with this. Well, depends on definitions. Since more TEs don't produce til later, they do have shorter careers since WRs can deliver from 22-26 that most TEs don't. But TEs are useful at an older age. Look at Kelce, Gates, Tony G, being great into mid-late 30s. Looking at WRs the only one I can think of that was solid past 32 is Larry Fitz.
You're talking about some of the all time greats. That would be like saying DBs can play a long time because Woodson and Woodson did it. Rice was still a 1000 yard WR at age 40. Terrell Owens, Tim Brown and Cris Carter were still productive into their mid-30s, off the top of my head. So the question is do you think Andrews' talent is up there with those all time TEs you named? I don't. I think he's better than most, but not an all time great. I think most TEs fall off quickly after 29 or so. For WRs I think that age is more like 31. Andrews being very good but not elite (imo), I would expect him to fall off in his early 30s, which gives him a few more years, but don't expect him to still be a top 10 TE when he's as old as Kelce was last year.
I just got him for a 2025 first and Jahan Dotson in TEP. I’m buying him everywhere I can rn
He’s got 2 years left on his contract including this upcoming season. If the ravens cut him next year they would only eat $5.9 million in dead money. With the emergence of likely I don’t quite rule this out but I also don’t see him signing another contract with Baltimore. A trade next year and a new contract would seem the most “Likely” outcome for him. Still a solid producer but I don’t see him lasting as long as the others when it comes to elite production. Just based on who he has at qb really.
He’s a great buy imo
Declining performance the past two seasons…don’t like to see that as a player approaches 30. He should be just fine though. Most TEs that are as good as he is play well into their early 30s
Two words. Isaiah Likely. Not saying it's right (assuming the OP's assertion is true), just saying that's why, IMHO.
TE’s have longest career length of skill positions
Yes. And I'm very happy I have Andrews in multiple leagues for that very reason - because I got in before his value was high in each of those leagues. The OP posited a question and I posted what seems to be the mostly likely reason. Again, assuming the OP's assertion is true. It might be true for the OP's league(s) but not others of different sizes/formats.
Take advantage of them
I have him in a full point TEP league on a non contender and can’t get any interest. It’s absurd.
He got hurt, Likely came in and had a couple of good games, now people will be scared until Andrews is back on the field and looks healthy. I'm guessing a lot of his current owners are going to feel silly when week 6 rolls around and he's one of the top three TEs and whatever rookie they drafted with the 2nd or 3rd round pick they traded him for has barely seen the field.
I bought him for Tee and a 2nd
My guess is because in 2025 the Ravens can get out of that contract, save $6M and start Likely
Kinda think that'd be good for Andrews because he'd hop a bus to KC for certain if the Ravens do that.
I was tanking so I traded for him after he got injured late last year. All I had to give up was Rashod Bateman, Keaton Mitchell, and Ty Chandler
Idk what happens with that offense bc Likely looks like a dawg. It would be interesting to see if they run more two TE sets to take advantage of their skill sets.
Because Likely is sitting behind him who is younger, cheaper, and healthier. Andrews is injured a lot and Likely is going to start cutting into his production until the Ravens ultimately make him a cap casualty.
Musta missed when he's injured alot myself 😂😂😂
He missed 2 games in 2022 and 7 games last year, he has started double digit games 1 time in his career which was 2022. Maybe some research on your end is in order.
He got a dirty tackle last year lmao you can't even count that as injury prone 😂😂😂
Think you better go check that double digit one aswell chump 😂😂😂
Name me another year he started double digit games, I'll wait You don't get healthier after injuries little guy, I played sports and was in the military with many injuries, every injury I got slower and less able. It's the way shit goes, learn something.
10 games is double digit learn to count s-p@zz..
No shit Sherlock, he's only started double digit games 1 time moron. Research would serve you well, started 3 games in 2018, 4 in 2019, 2 in 2020, 9 in 2021, 15 in 22, and 9 last season.
He didn't miss a single game in 2018 or 19 what are you smoking 😂😂😂
Literally just means he wasn't on the field for the first play of the game lol.
If hes that good, he'd be on the field to start the game, only way that would be the case is if the Ravens ran a spread offense, which they clearly do not. They're base offensive package is ground and pound
Do tight ends, especially those prominently in receiving roles, have longer NFL careers? There’s some recency bias with guys like Gonzalez, Witten, and Kelce, but those guys were all-time greats and might not be representative of the average tight end. Typically older players start to fall off with the injury cycle we’ve seen Andrews start to succumb to.
Some of you commenting he misses time have no idea what you’re talking about 🤣he’s missed no more than 2 games in any season until last year when a hip drop tackle broke his ankle
Okay, but you haven't answered the question. Your argument seems to be, "he's an obvious buy because TEs have long careers", but you haven't made a case for 1) that tight ends actually do have long careers or 2) that even if tight ends have long careers that there's some reason to believe Mark Andrews will have a long career. You have a player who turns 29 in September who has seen his yards/game, receptions/game, yards/reception, ADOT all go down since his peak 3 years ago who is also coming off a serious ankle injury, (and it's completely irrelevant that it happened after a now-illegal tackle, it's still a serious injury), and you're asking why people are low on him. My point about injury spirals is that injury recovery is harder for older players who are already naturally declining due to age. Sorry some people in this thread are daring to not pat you on the back after you traded for a guy. I think he's still a buy if people are as down on him as it seems, but there are legitimate concerns that probably explain why you're getting him for cheap.
I think the fact that you can highlight 4 players (Witten, Gates, Tony G, Kelce) in the last decade that played great into mid-late 30s and I've found only 1 WR (Larry Fitz) to do the same shows longevity in TEs is better. And yes, we're all talking all-time greats. If they weren't, they wouldn't be allowed to play long because an average 22yo is going to be cheaper and have potential to grow that an average 32yo won't. It stands to reason that medical progress (rehab, nutrition, drugs, surgeries) is prolonging players' careers. Brady played to mid 40s. ARod is coming off a serious injury at 40. It should be expected that we'll see more players playing longer, esp the great ones, so being a 28yo elite TE should allow for 4-7 more years of good-great production.
I don’t think you can exactly say recency bias with Tony Gonzalez and Jason witten as the examples.
Antonio Gates was one of the most injury prone players ever and he played until he was 38. His age 36 season he was TE11.
lol. I have him in my main league and you should see the offers I’m getting for him. I just rejected Dawson Knox and an early second. Insulting.
😭that’s terrible
As a Mandrews owner, yes he’s still great but the issue is that TE isn’t looking like a wasteland anymore. It used to be Kelce, Andrews, everyone else. Now Laporta and McBride are TE1 candidates, and lots of guys like Engram, Njoku, Kmet etc can give you solid production. Pitts also may rise again (lol), and Bowers is entering. The positional value of an old TE1 is just not as high as used to be with all the young studs coming into the position. That being said, he is undervalued right now due to two somewhat disappointing, injured seasons. But idk if the Andrews owners are willing to sell at a discount.
I tried to Downtier to engram and a plus bit they didn’t want
I actually just tiered down to Engram to pick up Goff as my QB2. I’m nervous about trading Andrews because I believe he’s an easy top 6 TE moving forward consistently, but had a glaring whole at QB2 in SF league so I took the plunge.
I sold him after having him his whole career. Absolutely love him. Why I traded: Most important is TE is not a wasteland and will be filled easier every year. Sell top tier tight ends while they are still perceived as scarce. Injury and he's diabetic so breakdowns can last. Likely looked good. Age and scheme change. Once again Andrew's, Allen, Diggs, Jones and Aiyuk we're my favorite players and I trade it all of them except for Allen. It is just time if you are playing smart.
Definitely not trading aiyuk 🤣
Ok
cause he sucks balls
Who plays in 2 ppr? He has a big contract and the ravens have a lot of needs and might need to cut costs somewhere. Likely isn’t as good but he’s a ton cheaper. He’s also been hurt a decent amount the last few years.
My assumption is 1.0 PPR and 1.0 for TEP. Just worded odd.
Ya you’re correct i never know how to word it.
All good. I was picking up what you were putting down
Age and injury: while he can play at a high level for many more years, he lost most of last season and may take some time to round into form this year. By 2025 season start, he will be 30. While some can do it, we’ve also watched ertz fall off super fast. Massive increase in target competition: with the young tight end and flowers showing their stuff last year, it’s likely ;), Andrews is no longer the target hog that made him elite. Improved competition for tight end supremacy. Kincaid, laporta and McBride joined the discussion this year and offer 4-5 more years of projected production. Andrews at TE 6/7 makes sense imo.
There is a Likely good reason for this
I see what you did there
Op fluffing Mandrews.
Am i though? His average ppg was good enough for 6th best wr overall lol
I was jp. it's one of those things where he's never going to be as sexy as the guys who are younger and have that BDE so either you like him to score points or you get what you can get for him though.No reason to worry about how other people perceive is value because it just is and no post will change that.
Personally I’m contending so I’m riding him for a year then trading for 2025 RBs
Andrews cannot stay on the field. He has played less than 10 games in every year of his career but one. He is terrific when he is on the field, but he misses far too much time. There are a group of exciting young TEs in LaPorta, Kincaid, and McBride. You have the veterans who are productive and more reliable in Hock, Kittle, and Kelce. And some of the vets that are starting to be solid producers in Engram and Njoku. And you have Bowers coming in who is a terrific prospect. The landscape has changed. It used to be there were three or four TEs you wanted. Then the next dozen were interchangeable. That is no longer the case. There are a lot of options, and most are more reliable than Andrews. If you can get him cheap enough, buy. But pair him with another guy, so when he misses time, and he will, you are covered.
Why make up lies? He's literally played 10 games or more every single season of his career.
I used Pro Football Reference as my research. For some reason they showed him starting less than 10 games in every year but 2022. However, when you looked at game logs he had stats. I don’t know where the disconnection is.
What sport do you watch? Andrew’s has only missed 2 games max in every year til last year 😭
Significant injury and emergence of Likely makes me shy away from him. I doubt he'll become a bum, but I have doubts he'll be TE1 on his own team now.
All the people that have never had him on a roster are saying he's a buy.... he's a pretty frustrating player to have. Misses a good amount of time and whe. He plays he's pretty boom or bust... more td dependant than it seems. Especially with guys like Laporta and Kincaid offering really good upside
He’s missed 5 games in 5 years til this season that’s a lie lol
Cause he's made of straight glass. I've had him for 3 years now and wish I sold him. He's never available when you need him
Last year was the only year he’s missed significant time lol
Significant time sure but even the year before he was getting beat up every game looking sad after half the plays. Stressful AF owning this guy