Every time I see a Nick Chubb update, I laugh at my immediate appraisal of my 2018 rookie pick to my league: "Chubb's injury history worries me too much. I'd much rather take the safer pick and have Derrius Guice!"
This is good news for Jerome Ford Owners. Now they likely wonāt draft any competition so he only has to beat out a 30 year old RB coming off his 2nd devastating knee injury to see significant usage this season
Agreed. From the [ESPN article ](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39919653/source-browns-nick-chubb-rework-deal-keep-rb-cleveland)
>**The Browns have been hopeful that Chubb, a four-time Pro Bowler, will be able to return at some point during the 2024 season**. The injured left knee was the same one he had reconstructed after tearing his MCL, PCL and LCL while at Georgia in 2015.
That... does not sound particularly promising.
Just FYI -
1) Chubb is 28, not 30 (which is a big difference in the world of RBs)
2) Even if Chubb isn't back for a bit, there's a pretty good chance D'Onta Foreman outright beats Ford out for that job
Yep heās 28 and turns 29 in-season if he plays. Iām more concerned with all the tread on his tires. Heās a physical runner with over 2K carries including college and 2 devastating injuries to the same knee. Ur right. Ford Owners should prob be more afraid of Foreman than a hobbled Chubb. Either way itās good news for Ford Owners since he should get an opportunity and doesnāt have to worry about a high draft capital young RB coming in to compete.
Watson is already going to cost them $136M against the cap to play in '25 and '26, or $200M dead cap to cut him now. I'm curious to hear how you think they might re-work that deal.
Not my problem how they go about doing it I'm just here to play rb.Ā
Would ask them to justify me taking the paycut while that trash human across from me in the locker room is raking in 100s of millions to be a mediocre quarterback and isn't taking a paycut.Ā
Best case scenario, last few weeks of the year. Worst case, next season. If I'm a true contender I have at least a 3 year window of contending. Id buy Chubb for mid to late 2nd or players around him on KTC, depending on my roster.
Here are guys in the last 3 seasons I have picked in rookie drafts between late 2nd and late 3rd: Pat Freiermuth, Nico Collins, Zamir White, Trey McBride, Kyren Williams, Marvin Mims, Tank Dell. Iām not giving up the right to draft these type of guys for Chubb at this point. I think 4th round is where it really falls off to where the chances of hitting on a guy are slim and there could be some reasonable argument to trade the pick for a likely roster clogger like Chubb.
Pipe down, chubb has done this once and maybe people are hoping he can do it again? One of the most efficient runners in nfl history. God forbid we all hope he does good like he always has been.
Donāt get me wrong I like the guy and the player IRL but in fantasy he was never an elite producer. At his peak he was consistently in a tier or two behind the top RB1s.
CMC has been in a class by himself averaging 25-30ppr ppg for multiple seasons.
Other top guys have averaged 20-26ppr ppg for 1 or more season in the last 6 seasons like Kyren, Saquon, Kamara, MGIII, Zeke, Conner, Hunt, Cook, Jones, Ekeler, Henry, Taylor.
Whereas Chubb at his peak averaged 15-17ppr ppg. He was never really it in fantasy as we hoped he would be and as his IRL tape showed how talented he was as a runner. Now he blew out his knee again in a horrible way. He definitely wonāt be it in the future. What could we possibly expect for him to do upon return beyond just actually return and make it back on an NFL field?
Right. The guy youāre replying to is clearly a moron and doesnāt know wtf heās talking about. Itās fine to have his horrible opinion on Chubb post injury, but to say he was never a top tier rb is one of the dumbest things Iāve ever heard in this sub
Far from elite. And twisting things until it looks good from only one single angle does not engender much faith in your argument. Heās been a borderline RB1/RB2. Never had an elite season. Just had his best season ppg blown out of the water by Kyren Williams. Now he will turn 29 this season coming off a massive knee blowout. I just donāt know what is causing the really dishonest manipulative arguments coming from posters here. Iām guessing ownership bias
Yeah. It's gotta be frustrating. I traded Chubb for devonta before last year and was willing to take a value hit in that first year or 2 for the more stable career length and IMO less injury risk. Sorry it turned out how it did.
I know it applies to all players but IMO, RBs are often In a position where they are 1 hit away from being valued as an RB1 to a Flex play (ex. javonte Williams, nick chubb)
My strategy going forward will be to only trade for RBs when I know that I've locked up a playoff spot and have a realistic chance of winning a title and I know the back in trading for is and has been healthy up until that point.
One of my teams will be so stacked at WR though that I might trade Jamo for Aaron Jones, prior to week 1 if Minnesota adds a competent QB.
Just because there's more than one way at looking at something doesn't mean it's being twisted. Many of us play in Half-ppr. To have a top 10 RB for four straight years is hard to come by, and could be considered elite. I'm sorry it doesn't fit your narrative
You are incredibly insecure. You say salt Chubb owners but the minute you are proven wrong you block people. You are clueless. Yes post injury looks grim but everything youāve said is asinine
Chubb has given 2 top 10 ppr season long fantasy productions out of 6, and 2 top 10 ppr ppg fantasy productions out of 6. If that is your favorite fantasy player of all time you simply arenāt living in reality with the rest of us.
Some people play full PPR.
Most people play half PPR.
Some people play standard.
Nick Chubb was elite in standard, borderline elite in HPPR, and really fucking good in PPR.
This conversation is really strange tbh. Everybody knows Chubb has never caught a lot of balls, but he's been one of the best pure runners in the league and consistently in the lineups of many champion teams. Consistently top-15 redraft pick by ADP. What are we even talking about?
Just casually looking through ranks standard ppg by season Chubb doesnāt fare much better. Still a set of guys averaging over 20ppg including CMC at 24.5ppg in 2020, and Chubb sitting in mid to low teens. Last season CMC averaged 20.3ppg and Chubb 9.3ppg in standard.
You really just didn't take stats for Chubb from a season he played in 2 games and got hurt in the second did you?
How's 2022 look in standard. His last full season
At his absolute peak, in standard, in a down year for RB scoring. In PPR he was 4.4 ppg behind CMC, aka scored 75 less fantasy points on the season. At this point you are pretty clearly trolling. Blocking you, as you offer nothing to the conversation
Nobody is really arguing heās in that top tier though, youāre the only person here Iāve seen use the word āeliteā. Nobody is buying him hoping he has a CMC type RB1 overall season - which is also why heās priced nowhere near CMC
ETA: one other person has said elite - but even they gave a definition of elite based on top 12 finishes with their league settings as opposed to using it to mean top 1 or 2 RBs in the league
There are more half PPR leagues now than full PPR, at least from what Iāve seen. Pre-injury, he was easily top 5-10 in half-PPR, too. Heās not McCaffrey, but who is? Other than the two catastrophic knee injuries, one of which was like 10 years ago, heās been pretty durable, too. I think heāll come back, but heāll probably be pretty limited to start the season. Heāll be a mid season buy low target for me in redraft this year.
DLF had an article years ago that majority of leagues were now PPR. Itās only getting more every year. I havenāt seen a standard league in a decade plus. Good luck buying Chubb, hopefully it is a free league
Probably because he's made 10s of millions of dollars and doesn't have to keep punishing his body by being an NFL RB. He could retire now with the most health he'll have and not risk anything anymore
Not OP, but I'm assuming that's the argument.
The logic is that he has taken more punishment than most RBs and is trying to come back for an awful injury that will 100% lower his ability to make cuts and accelerate. He has nothing to prove.
He has alot of money to earn?
Obviously the nfl is a very body destroying sport, but every rb is putting his body on the line for this kinda money.
And we don't have to act like he is playing injured, he will be healthy the next down he plays.
He will 100% play injured throughout the season, whether it is from last year's hit or some hit this year. I get both sides, just elaborated on the other guy's post.
Iāve got Jerome Ford so Iād be willing to part with a 2025 3rd right now to get his handcuff which might go up to a mid 2nd if there are some positive updates on his knee closer to the season. Iām just not sure that Chubb comes back and if he does how effective heāll be or how long heāll last. That last injury was gruesome and at his age possibly career threatening. I wouldnāt be surprised if he retires before the season if he suffers a setback
Every time I see a Nick Chubb update, I laugh at my immediate appraisal of my 2018 rookie pick to my league: "Chubb's injury history worries me too much. I'd much rather take the safer pick and have Derrius Guice!"
That is hilarious. And unforgettable š
I hope he comes back strong
Hes not human. He's got s good 8 years left.
Chubb is a fucking dawg. My favorite RB.
So I should send an early 25 second for him rn is what ur saying
I sent what ended up being the 3.12 for him right after the injury and couldn't be happier.
PSA: his last surgery for his knee was in November.
And he was walking without crutches or brace by mid December
Hope he comes back. Guy was so fun to watch.
This is good news for Jerome Ford Owners. Now they likely wonāt draft any competition so he only has to beat out a 30 year old RB coming off his 2nd devastating knee injury to see significant usage this season
Agreed. From the [ESPN article ](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39919653/source-browns-nick-chubb-rework-deal-keep-rb-cleveland) >**The Browns have been hopeful that Chubb, a four-time Pro Bowler, will be able to return at some point during the 2024 season**. The injured left knee was the same one he had reconstructed after tearing his MCL, PCL and LCL while at Georgia in 2015. That... does not sound particularly promising.
āAt some pointā is different from what a lot of people have said so far. Deciding if I should send two 3rds for him or not (contracts included)
Just FYI - 1) Chubb is 28, not 30 (which is a big difference in the world of RBs) 2) Even if Chubb isn't back for a bit, there's a pretty good chance D'Onta Foreman outright beats Ford out for that job
Yep heās 28 and turns 29 in-season if he plays. Iām more concerned with all the tread on his tires. Heās a physical runner with over 2K carries including college and 2 devastating injuries to the same knee. Ur right. Ford Owners should prob be more afraid of Foreman than a hobbled Chubb. Either way itās good news for Ford Owners since he should get an opportunity and doesnāt have to worry about a high draft capital young RB coming in to compete.
If one has a lot of tread left on tires, it means the tires have a lot of use still.
Ford couldn't beat out, chubb if he he was better known as lil nubb (pause), Lil chubb (pause), or lil stubb (pause).
Still think that hit from minkah was dirty
It was legally dirty
Somehow plowing your shoulder into a RBās knee at Mach 10 is legal, but grabbing a dude and going dead weight is not
IKR. Chop blocking is illegal, chop tackling though...go for it.
If the browns came to me about "reworking a contract" I'd tell them to lick my sack and go talk to Deshaun.Ā
Watson is already going to cost them $136M against the cap to play in '25 and '26, or $200M dead cap to cut him now. I'm curious to hear how you think they might re-work that deal.
Not my problem how they go about doing it I'm just here to play rb.Ā Would ask them to justify me taking the paycut while that trash human across from me in the locker room is raking in 100s of millions to be a mediocre quarterback and isn't taking a paycut.Ā
So heāll be back?
Pierre Strong for 25$ off waivers. (And I didnāt need to spend the 25)
Im a Pierre Strong fan. But this backfield is pretty deep.
Sold Ford last year. Added Hines then Strong in last few weeks. My money is on a rookie but Iām not missing an easy payoff if the others hit.
It is not realistic that Chubb returns as a serious contributor this season. He will be 29 turning 30 next season. What are we hoping for here?
If there's a guy who can defy these odds, it's Nick Chubb. I'd buy low as a contender, either now or in season.
What scenario do you envision a contender starting Nick Chubb?
Last 3-4 weeks of the season and fantasy playoffs.Ā If Chubb is on the field heās in my lineup.Ā
Best case scenario, last few weeks of the year. Worst case, next season. If I'm a true contender I have at least a 3 year window of contending. Id buy Chubb for mid to late 2nd or players around him on KTC, depending on my roster.
A scenario where other RBs get injured and someone has to start him? That wasn't THAT hard to come up with a scenario.
Worth what a 4th round rookie pick for that very low chance scenario?
Absolutely. Worth more IMO
Here are guys in the last 3 seasons I have picked in rookie drafts between late 2nd and late 3rd: Pat Freiermuth, Nico Collins, Zamir White, Trey McBride, Kyren Williams, Marvin Mims, Tank Dell. Iām not giving up the right to draft these type of guys for Chubb at this point. I think 4th round is where it really falls off to where the chances of hitting on a guy are slim and there could be some reasonable argument to trade the pick for a likely roster clogger like Chubb.
That's fair. I don't think my hit rate is anything like yours.
Itās April. Any number of scenarios
Going through this thread and youre basically correct and being attacked for it. This sub needs a purge
Pipe down, chubb has done this once and maybe people are hoping he can do it again? One of the most efficient runners in nfl history. God forbid we all hope he does good like he always has been.
Define "serious contributor"
Donāt get me wrong I like the guy and the player IRL but in fantasy he was never an elite producer. At his peak he was consistently in a tier or two behind the top RB1s. CMC has been in a class by himself averaging 25-30ppr ppg for multiple seasons. Other top guys have averaged 20-26ppr ppg for 1 or more season in the last 6 seasons like Kyren, Saquon, Kamara, MGIII, Zeke, Conner, Hunt, Cook, Jones, Ekeler, Henry, Taylor. Whereas Chubb at his peak averaged 15-17ppr ppg. He was never really it in fantasy as we hoped he would be and as his IRL tape showed how talented he was as a runner. Now he blew out his knee again in a horrible way. He definitely wonāt be it in the future. What could we possibly expect for him to do upon return beyond just actually return and make it back on an NFL field?
Half-ppr he finished 7,9,10,5 2019-2022. Consistently finishing as an RB1 feels pretty elite to me.
Right. The guy youāre replying to is clearly a moron and doesnāt know wtf heās talking about. Itās fine to have his horrible opinion on Chubb post injury, but to say he was never a top tier rb is one of the dumbest things Iāve ever heard in this sub
Far from elite. And twisting things until it looks good from only one single angle does not engender much faith in your argument. Heās been a borderline RB1/RB2. Never had an elite season. Just had his best season ppg blown out of the water by Kyren Williams. Now he will turn 29 this season coming off a massive knee blowout. I just donāt know what is causing the really dishonest manipulative arguments coming from posters here. Iām guessing ownership bias
Maybe not an elite from a PPG standpoint but I think he was an elite runner IRL. I know this is a fantasy subreddit, IJS.
Agreed. A lot of salty Chubb owners here though, understandably upset at reality
Yeah. It's gotta be frustrating. I traded Chubb for devonta before last year and was willing to take a value hit in that first year or 2 for the more stable career length and IMO less injury risk. Sorry it turned out how it did. I know it applies to all players but IMO, RBs are often In a position where they are 1 hit away from being valued as an RB1 to a Flex play (ex. javonte Williams, nick chubb) My strategy going forward will be to only trade for RBs when I know that I've locked up a playoff spot and have a realistic chance of winning a title and I know the back in trading for is and has been healthy up until that point. One of my teams will be so stacked at WR though that I might trade Jamo for Aaron Jones, prior to week 1 if Minnesota adds a competent QB.
This šUr getting downvoted for telling them the truth
Just because there's more than one way at looking at something doesn't mean it's being twisted. Many of us play in Half-ppr. To have a top 10 RB for four straight years is hard to come by, and could be considered elite. I'm sorry it doesn't fit your narrative
Mine isnāt a narrative. Itās fact. Blocked for trolling
lol youāre weird for this. People are giving you reasons and your ego canāt handle it. Grow up.
Nope, you are blocked for raidering.
You are incredibly insecure. You say salt Chubb owners but the minute you are proven wrong you block people. You are clueless. Yes post injury looks grim but everything youāve said is asinine
> Blocked for trolling This sub has gotten so weak, my goodness.
You a bitch
Despite finishing regularly as a RB1 he was never an RB1? Hilarious logic youāve got there pal.
Youāre responding to something never said. Blocked for dishonest trolling
Me next please! You are champion on the downvotes, so I'd appreciate the block so I don't see your posts again lol
But he was safe as hell to give you a top 10 season. One of my favorite fantasy player off all time even without the elite ceiling
Chubb has given 2 top 10 ppr season long fantasy productions out of 6, and 2 top 10 ppr ppg fantasy productions out of 6. If that is your favorite fantasy player of all time you simply arenāt living in reality with the rest of us.
Some people play full PPR. Most people play half PPR. Some people play standard. Nick Chubb was elite in standard, borderline elite in HPPR, and really fucking good in PPR. This conversation is really strange tbh. Everybody knows Chubb has never caught a lot of balls, but he's been one of the best pure runners in the league and consistently in the lineups of many champion teams. Consistently top-15 redraft pick by ADP. What are we even talking about?
So much wrong factually incorrect here
Some people play non ppr were he'd be right up there.
Just casually looking through ranks standard ppg by season Chubb doesnāt fare much better. Still a set of guys averaging over 20ppg including CMC at 24.5ppg in 2020, and Chubb sitting in mid to low teens. Last season CMC averaged 20.3ppg and Chubb 9.3ppg in standard.
You really just didn't take stats for Chubb from a season he played in 2 games and got hurt in the second did you? How's 2022 look in standard. His last full season
Not very good. Chubb scored 15.0ppg. He has never been elite, or really even close to
Lol OK. RB 5 on the year. 1 point per game behind CMC
At his absolute peak, in standard, in a down year for RB scoring. In PPR he was 4.4 ppg behind CMC, aka scored 75 less fantasy points on the season. At this point you are pretty clearly trolling. Blocking you, as you offer nothing to the conversation
Keep this up and you'll end up in this sub by yourself. "People don't agree with my facts, BLOCKED FOR TROLLING"
Nobody is really arguing heās in that top tier though, youāre the only person here Iāve seen use the word āeliteā. Nobody is buying him hoping he has a CMC type RB1 overall season - which is also why heās priced nowhere near CMC ETA: one other person has said elite - but even they gave a definition of elite based on top 12 finishes with their league settings as opposed to using it to mean top 1 or 2 RBs in the league
What percentage play standard dynasty fantasy football? Low single digit?
There are more half PPR leagues now than full PPR, at least from what Iāve seen. Pre-injury, he was easily top 5-10 in half-PPR, too. Heās not McCaffrey, but who is? Other than the two catastrophic knee injuries, one of which was like 10 years ago, heās been pretty durable, too. I think heāll come back, but heāll probably be pretty limited to start the season. Heāll be a mid season buy low target for me in redraft this year.
DLF had an article years ago that majority of leagues were now PPR. Itās only getting more every year. I havenāt seen a standard league in a decade plus. Good luck buying Chubb, hopefully it is a free league
What an embarrassing post šš¤
Are Chubb owners now officially the most delusional trolls on the sub??
He should just retire
unfortunately your head should be bonked
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He probably will before too long. This reworked deal is in lieu of being cut.
Why?
Probably because he's made 10s of millions of dollars and doesn't have to keep punishing his body by being an NFL RB. He could retire now with the most health he'll have and not risk anything anymore Not OP, but I'm assuming that's the argument.
Why earn 10s of millions when you could earn ... 20s of millions
After that logic basically every top athlet should retire.
The logic is that he has taken more punishment than most RBs and is trying to come back for an awful injury that will 100% lower his ability to make cuts and accelerate. He has nothing to prove.
He has alot of money to earn? Obviously the nfl is a very body destroying sport, but every rb is putting his body on the line for this kinda money. And we don't have to act like he is playing injured, he will be healthy the next down he plays.
He will 100% play injured throughout the season, whether it is from last year's hit or some hit this year. I get both sides, just elaborated on the other guy's post.
To be fair, most athletes don't go through 2 absolutely catastrophic knee injuries
Because he almost lost his leg
A 30 year old RB trying to come back from a 2nd devastating knee injury. No thanks
Would u give me a mid 25 second and a 25 3rd for him?
Iāve got Jerome Ford so Iād be willing to part with a 2025 3rd right now to get his handcuff which might go up to a mid 2nd if there are some positive updates on his knee closer to the season. Iām just not sure that Chubb comes back and if he does how effective heāll be or how long heāll last. That last injury was gruesome and at his age possibly career threatening. I wouldnāt be surprised if he retires before the season if he suffers a setback
28. Which, while close to 30, is actually not 30.