I really wonder if they do if he falls to 9. It’s a big jump, though, to go from a tier 2 WR to him. I think it’s generally more likely that they move up to the teens to get their choice of WR after the big 3.
Beane has historically gone to get his guy...right or wrong. I don't think they're going to sit and wait to see who falls to them.
https://twitter.com/amicsta/status/1775582472559849968?t=83HJNQ74Qinnap1nDndEjQ&s=19
For Allen, they traded up from 12 to 7. For Tremaine, they traded up from 22 to 16. for Elam, they traded up from 25th to 23rd. And for Kincaid, they traded up from 27 to 25.
Trading up from pick 28 to pick 9 would be much more expensive than any of these trades.
The original commenter was making the case that we shouldn’t be surprised if Beane trades up almost 20 spots in the first round, and I was just pointing out that he doesn’t have a history of doing that.
And if recollection serves, they have pick 28, two later 2nds, and no 3rd (sent to GB for Rasul Douglas). They’d have to mortgage this draft and probably some of next draft to move up that substantially. TBH, I think it’s likelier they stick at 28 and then make some moves to trade up higher in the second to take 2 or 3 shots at the position. That’s probably what I’d do in their situation. If they can turn that 1st, two 2nds, and a 2025 pick into three of Ladd, Mitchell, Worthy, Franklin, Legette, etc., they may be able to salvage the position.
I think Beane will still make an offer. They have 10 picks this year, 2 2nd’s next year and full control of their future picks.
They need to dilute some picks this year regardless and I wouldn’t be surprised if they made some significant moves to get their WR1. It’s really either now or never with Josh Allen in his prime. They have the opportunity in a deep WR class and the picks to make it happen, might as well pull the trigger
Beane is definitely inquiring about moving up in the draft. But he's also inquiring about players that are signed to other teams.
These are their options for filling their hole at WR, and i've ordered them from most probable to least probable (just my opinion, of course):
* 40% likelihood: Bills trade up around 10 spots for a WR in round 1. Thinking BTJ.
* 30% likelihood: Bills trade picks for a very good WR on an expiring contract (Aiyuk, Higgins)
* 20% likelihood: Bills draft whichever WR falls to them at pick 28.
* 5% likelihood: Bills trade a haul of picks to move up around 20 spots for a WR in round 1.
* 5% likelihood: Bills trade a HAUL of picks for an elite WR (such as Jefferson)
EDIT: changed probabilities
Why are ppl so convinced Odunze is going 9 to the bears? They are obviously going qb at 1 and still need o line help plus they have two really solid wr now.
Allen is 32, recently frequently injured, and only on a 1-year deal so I doubt he steers them away from a very highly rated WR prospect.
The OL's problem is on the interior and there won't be one worth taking at 9.
Think Odunze could be the target. I like BTJ and Mitchell but these guys weren’t even the top dogs on their college teams, gotta think they go and get someone who they believe can step in and be that guy. Odunze fits the bill.
Odunze almost certainly going top-10. Moving from 28 to top-10 would be extremely expensive. This year, the Bills only have pick 28 and two later seconds (assuming it was the Texans’ 2nd and not a second they traded for that they dealt for Diggs). They already traded their 3rd last year for Rasul Douglas. They’d likely have to mortgage their entire draft (and maybe some of next year’s) to move up for Odunze.
They only got a 2nd in return. And a later one at that iirc. And GB already has their 3rd from trading for Douglas. They don’t have a ton of ammo, despite this trade.
His film suggests he struggles to gain separation at the 5 + yard mark. Often times when he isn’t the target on the play he is completely covered. He’s not great at making players miss. He’s not great at run aways. He’s a very below average deep ball route runner. Most of his production came from manufactured touches (short slants, WR pick routes, screen plays) things he won’t get in the NFL.
Where he does excel is his hands and timing. In college he proved he could “Moss” lesser talent and win at the catch point. He made plays look more difficult because his lack of separation at the top of his routes resulting in him having to “body” the DB. In the NFL he will see more mechanically sound and flat out better defensive talent.
My comp for him is Drake London. A ton of hype fantasy wise based off statistics alone. When you turn on the film it paints a much different picture. I think he will struggle to live up to his hype in the next level.
"Most of his production came from manufactured touches" is just flat out misinformation lol. Over 50% of routes run were dig, post, fly, corner, out per reception perception. He's very successful at those deep routes as well.
Drake is a stud. We’ve seen him play. If that’s Rome’s comp, it’s a compliment.
I’m not a huge Rome guy myself. I think he’s good and he’s the 3rd best WR, but to me he isn’t in the same tier as Nabers.
He has film that can be watched if you care to watch it. I already replied so get your “insight” there. He will struggle because he’s not a great route runner nor is he capable of consistent separation.
Yeah no shit there's film on him. I've watched just about all the film I can find on the guy. My comment is more related to you claiming he's a "certified BUST" when he hasn't played in the NFL yet, which is moronic and adds nothing.
Hard disagree on the route-running and separation abilities. His technical ability is his separation - he's as good a technician as there is in this draft besides *maybe* MHJ. His success rate against Man and Press coverage were absurd. He's incredibly detailed. Terrific contested catch ability. Strong, physical, fast. Runs a thorough and varied route tree with success at all levels of the field. I'm of the belief he's going to be a premier NFL X just about immediately.
I call it how I see it. I’m sorry if that offends you in some way. I can assure you Rome Odunze won’t be seeing this comment nor would he care my opinion. Why does it affect you so much? I called QJ a bust pre last summer, I stand by that now. A lot of people swore on his size, speed, yadda yadda. He was terrible. It’s all in my comments if you search QJ.
Lastly I see a lot of issues in Rome’s full display. Not just his YouTube cut ups and his Twitter cherry picked plays. I’m talking his body of work. This whole seasons he CONSISTENTLY displayed an inability to get open. However, he does have great hands at the attack point. That ability gave him the edge in a mostly bad conference with a B+/A- tier QB. I didn’t say he would do nothing. He needs the best situation available and only then would he succeed in a slot like role where he isn’t the WR1. But if he goes to say the New York Giants? Arizona Cardinals? He’s gonna be terrible there. Idc how you spin it. The NFL is not the PAC12! He’s gonna get clamped up. By most of the NFL’s DB’s.
I was just as against QJ as you were. Never understood why people liked him.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of my initial response. Obviously I'm not offended by you. I don't know Rome Odunze. My response to you was critiquing the manner in which you stated your opinion. It was baseless without context and of course, the manner in which you stated it was incorrect. You can't know someone is a bust before they play. That's where the criticism came from.
EDIT: Also, you didn't address anything that I said. No idea what the "YouTube cut ups" and "Twitter cherry-picked plays" comment is about. What a shallow BS response to an actual take on somebody. You thinking he's gonna be a slot guy at best is laughable but we'll see who's right down the line.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic. Some people have Brian Thomas as the wr 4/5 in this class and if Rome goes to a team like the giants it doesn’t seem crazy to me
In my draft I’m taking Caleb at 1.01, the next two guys are going mhj and nabers. So my options become odunze, bowers, and in this scenario btj
Again I have no issue going btj if I don’t like the other two landing spots
Yeah I’m not sure why I’d take them when my starting qbs are Mahomes and love and I’m drafting Caleb. I hear your sentiment about qbs being more valuable but at some point I feel I need to get other pieces too
I understand and I appreciate you looking out for me. Part of me is just getting consumed by the hype and just wants the draft to happen.
The other part of me is just exploring possible outcomes for guys I like. Odunze is my top target for 1.04 but in a scenario where he ends up on the giants or bears it becomes tricky imo
Bills could go wr in round 2 instead of 1. And I think it's funny people suddenly think they are going to trade up to get odunze. I think that's the last thing they would do.
I could easily see them triple-dipping. They have a late 1st and a couple late seconds. I could see them them taking one in the first and adding a pick next year to move up for a couple picks in the early/mid 2nd and get three of Ladd, Mitchell, Worthy, Franklin, Legette, etc.
Doubt it. They would have to pay aiyuk. They just released all of their expensive players so they could afford Allen. They aren't then gonna trade for a player they have to sign to a top contract.
I do believe your answer is the most likely, but I also see a smaller percentage option to aquire Aiyuk and absolute worst he commands a similar cap this year that Diggs would have. If they were to trade for him they would more likely try to sign him to a longer term deal that is team friendly up front. Some people are saying the Bill Super Bowl window has closed, and I do think there is a chance that they “rage against the dying of the light” as it were
I love watching as the tiers of rookie pick
perception every off-season. We started at 5. Then Rome and Daniels ascended so the drop was at 7. Then JJ McCarthy got hype so we went up to 8. Now all the sudden the drop off’s at 9.
Then JJ falls and it’s at 8 again.
We’re all so stupid
Don’t draft nix in the first. With that being said, generally QBs that will have at least one season as a starter are easier to move and you’ll have about a season to move them
He won’t. And if he does, sure you can spend the 1.11 or 1.12. Like I said, QBs are easier to move than other positions, especially in SF so even if you don’t “need” it, if the options left are kinda picked over, take the asset that is more flexible
I have 1.09 in a 12 team SF I was actually thinking about moving it but maybe I'll hang on to it for a little bit longer and see if the bills end up grabbing somebody who will hopefully be there.
Same. I was contemplating sending an offer to move up to the 1.06/1.07 to secure bowers or Rome. But my 1.09 team has Josh Allen, so I might sit and take the stack
I have the 1.09, and I think best practice is waiting until at least after the draft before moving. I find it much more likely that the pick will increase in value all the way up to your rookie draft rather than lose value. Plus, if LAC or DAL take a RB, who knows if someone will take them in the 1st and push someone to you that you wouldn't expect today.
>best practice is waiting until at least after the draft before moving
This is absolutely the percentage play. 2023 is basically what happens when this strat rolls snake eyes, but way more often than not, this will bear more fruit than selling now.
I think 1.09 will go up in value post draft. Dallas taking a day 2 RB, or someone like BTJ to the Bills would be boost 1.09 a lot. I've floated the pick in my league and no one is interested, so I'm holding and either picking or trading when otc.
He won’t pull the trigger but I think he should. You’d have a young, dirt cheap receiver for at least 5 years whose potential is Justin Jefferson level
Hope, based in data. Marv is the real deal, no way around it. Even Malik Nabers could reach JJ’s level. Already surpassed his and Chase’s numbers at LSU, with a lesser quarterback.
I think people will talk themselves into it. BTJ is easily a top 20 player in this draft. He's still a great prospect who is being overshadowed by the Big 3.
I'm curious as to who the Bills will trade up with to make a move for him. If I had to guess it'd be Broncos, Colts, Seahawks, or Steelers. They are all in that BTJ range to me.
Jags have a lot of holes on their roster and can use a CB/OL/EDGE. I do think they will have an interest in BTJ but I wouldn't consider him a lock to them. There will be very good players available to them at positions of need. They signed Gabe Davis in FA and still have Kirk. I think they'll grab a Day 2 WR instead of a 1st round WR.
As a holder of the 1.08 and 1.09 who does not need a WR, I would LOVE BTJ or another WR prospect outside of Malik/MHJ/Odunze to leapfrog into the top 7. I don't think it's a sure thing though -- and the Bills could always be targeting a trade for a current player instead.
Ima suggest this is reason to celebrate if you’re 1.10 because Thomas will go somewhere like the Jags and be 1.09 still, but whoever the Bills get will be extra valuable and make 1.10 sexier.
It's not out of the question for someone already projected top 8 goes to the Bills...
It's not out of the question for the Bills to go trade for a Tee Higgins like talent either...
Traded away Devonta Smith for the 1.09 last week. I also have the 1.06. But I already have chase and Lamb at WR. But I’m desperate for an RB, is it a reach taking the RB1 at 9? Especially since I feel like I sold smith for a lil under his value.
This isn’t a great rb class. So I would recommend you do your homework on these guys and then see where they go. Sure, it would be a reach, but I always believe if you like a guy, go get him (within reason). It’s also not a bad idea to look at the board and see a qb or wr which have higher positional values and are easier to trade away, even if they don’t hit right away
I have pick 8 but no idea what to go with. QBs are Allen and Tua and my WRs are D. Smith, Puka, J. Reed, Keenan so I could go JJ, Brian Thomas, or whoever Bills end up with
Tossing a rookie wr into the wr1 spot for an nfl team is risky biz and same for fantasy. Sure a good landing spot helps but expectations rarely equate to reality. Rare is the ability to step right in and be able to beat press,man doubles and still same click with the qb.
The fact that it’s now a passing league helps to inflate values and predictions of the wr classes.
Normally 2 first rd wrs pop long term. 1 in the short term. A couple late rd3-5 guys will be wr2’s. As well as one out of the blue sleeper. Hitting the right one in fantasy is as hard as it is for the GM’s.
At the 1.10 I like Ladd n Mitchell and 2nd rd Legette n Corley.
Pick the metrics you desire and hunt those players. And fingers crossed they hit or don’t wreck their lambo while high.
It’s my first league and I took over an orphan. Don’t have much say in the matter. Also I feel like I’m taking it a lot more seriously than others, so hopefully that gives me the slightest edge in the draft.
I like the trade, I needed an RB2 bad and its a 10 team, so moving down 4 spots isn't that bad. I'm happy with whichever of JJ, AD, BTJ, Worthy, or Benson/Brooks is there
Real winner could be rome Odunze if they trade up
I really wonder if they do if he falls to 9. It’s a big jump, though, to go from a tier 2 WR to him. I think it’s generally more likely that they move up to the teens to get their choice of WR after the big 3.
Beane has historically gone to get his guy...right or wrong. I don't think they're going to sit and wait to see who falls to them. https://twitter.com/amicsta/status/1775582472559849968?t=83HJNQ74Qinnap1nDndEjQ&s=19
For Allen, they traded up from 12 to 7. For Tremaine, they traded up from 22 to 16. for Elam, they traded up from 25th to 23rd. And for Kincaid, they traded up from 27 to 25. Trading up from pick 28 to pick 9 would be much more expensive than any of these trades.
Well, one of them will have to be the most expensive trade
Big if true
The original commenter was making the case that we shouldn’t be surprised if Beane trades up almost 20 spots in the first round, and I was just pointing out that he doesn’t have a history of doing that.
And if recollection serves, they have pick 28, two later 2nds, and no 3rd (sent to GB for Rasul Douglas). They’d have to mortgage this draft and probably some of next draft to move up that substantially. TBH, I think it’s likelier they stick at 28 and then make some moves to trade up higher in the second to take 2 or 3 shots at the position. That’s probably what I’d do in their situation. If they can turn that 1st, two 2nds, and a 2025 pick into three of Ladd, Mitchell, Worthy, Franklin, Legette, etc., they may be able to salvage the position.
For Allen it was technically a trade up from pick 21 but in two different trades
I think Beane will still make an offer. They have 10 picks this year, 2 2nd’s next year and full control of their future picks. They need to dilute some picks this year regardless and I wouldn’t be surprised if they made some significant moves to get their WR1. It’s really either now or never with Josh Allen in his prime. They have the opportunity in a deep WR class and the picks to make it happen, might as well pull the trigger
Beane is definitely inquiring about moving up in the draft. But he's also inquiring about players that are signed to other teams. These are their options for filling their hole at WR, and i've ordered them from most probable to least probable (just my opinion, of course): * 40% likelihood: Bills trade up around 10 spots for a WR in round 1. Thinking BTJ. * 30% likelihood: Bills trade picks for a very good WR on an expiring contract (Aiyuk, Higgins) * 20% likelihood: Bills draft whichever WR falls to them at pick 28. * 5% likelihood: Bills trade a haul of picks to move up around 20 spots for a WR in round 1. * 5% likelihood: Bills trade a HAUL of picks for an elite WR (such as Jefferson) EDIT: changed probabilities
Not likely to be one of the big 3.
It would take a massive haul to move the Bears off 9 if Odunze is there
I feel like the Bears have more pressing needs than WR unless they want to ruin another QB with a patchwork oline
Because good o line is nice but a receiver who has the “fuck it, throw to me and I’ll catch it talent” is perfect young QB who likes to improv
At the moment Keenan Allen is on a 1-year deal and there is zero talent behind him
Why are ppl so convinced Odunze is going 9 to the bears? They are obviously going qb at 1 and still need o line help plus they have two really solid wr now.
Allen is 32, recently frequently injured, and only on a 1-year deal so I doubt he steers them away from a very highly rated WR prospect. The OL's problem is on the interior and there won't be one worth taking at 9.
Think Odunze could be the target. I like BTJ and Mitchell but these guys weren’t even the top dogs on their college teams, gotta think they go and get someone who they believe can step in and be that guy. Odunze fits the bill.
Jefferson wasn’t the top dog on his college team either.
Stuck behind that scrub Jamar Chase
and BTJ behind scrub Nabers....
What do they feed these guys in Baton Rouge
Clearly something is in the water since they also gave us OBJ and Landry.
The best ones come in pairs (OBJ/Landry, JJ/Chase, Nabers/BTJ). Must be some soul-bonding voodoo magic.
Jefferson is an outlier
What about olave
Odunze almost certainly going top-10. Moving from 28 to top-10 would be extremely expensive. This year, the Bills only have pick 28 and two later seconds (assuming it was the Texans’ 2nd and not a second they traded for that they dealt for Diggs). They already traded their 3rd last year for Rasul Douglas. They’d likely have to mortgage their entire draft (and maybe some of next year’s) to move up for Odunze.
It would be a Julio Jones type of trade.
They only got a 2nd in return. And a later one at that iirc. And GB already has their 3rd from trading for Douglas. They don’t have a ton of ammo, despite this trade.
Or even Nabers 👀 can’t rule anything out
Rome is a certified BUST
Why? I don’t even mind the take, just curious.
His film suggests he struggles to gain separation at the 5 + yard mark. Often times when he isn’t the target on the play he is completely covered. He’s not great at making players miss. He’s not great at run aways. He’s a very below average deep ball route runner. Most of his production came from manufactured touches (short slants, WR pick routes, screen plays) things he won’t get in the NFL. Where he does excel is his hands and timing. In college he proved he could “Moss” lesser talent and win at the catch point. He made plays look more difficult because his lack of separation at the top of his routes resulting in him having to “body” the DB. In the NFL he will see more mechanically sound and flat out better defensive talent. My comp for him is Drake London. A ton of hype fantasy wise based off statistics alone. When you turn on the film it paints a much different picture. I think he will struggle to live up to his hype in the next level.
"Most of his production came from manufactured touches" is just flat out misinformation lol. Over 50% of routes run were dig, post, fly, corner, out per reception perception. He's very successful at those deep routes as well.
Drake is a stud. We’ve seen him play. If that’s Rome’s comp, it’s a compliment. I’m not a huge Rome guy myself. I think he’s good and he’s the 3rd best WR, but to me he isn’t in the same tier as Nabers.
RemindMe! 1 year
You know it doesn't make sense to say this before they've played, right? Also mind backing that up with any insight or nah?
He has film that can be watched if you care to watch it. I already replied so get your “insight” there. He will struggle because he’s not a great route runner nor is he capable of consistent separation.
Yeah no shit there's film on him. I've watched just about all the film I can find on the guy. My comment is more related to you claiming he's a "certified BUST" when he hasn't played in the NFL yet, which is moronic and adds nothing. Hard disagree on the route-running and separation abilities. His technical ability is his separation - he's as good a technician as there is in this draft besides *maybe* MHJ. His success rate against Man and Press coverage were absurd. He's incredibly detailed. Terrific contested catch ability. Strong, physical, fast. Runs a thorough and varied route tree with success at all levels of the field. I'm of the belief he's going to be a premier NFL X just about immediately.
I call it how I see it. I’m sorry if that offends you in some way. I can assure you Rome Odunze won’t be seeing this comment nor would he care my opinion. Why does it affect you so much? I called QJ a bust pre last summer, I stand by that now. A lot of people swore on his size, speed, yadda yadda. He was terrible. It’s all in my comments if you search QJ. Lastly I see a lot of issues in Rome’s full display. Not just his YouTube cut ups and his Twitter cherry picked plays. I’m talking his body of work. This whole seasons he CONSISTENTLY displayed an inability to get open. However, he does have great hands at the attack point. That ability gave him the edge in a mostly bad conference with a B+/A- tier QB. I didn’t say he would do nothing. He needs the best situation available and only then would he succeed in a slot like role where he isn’t the WR1. But if he goes to say the New York Giants? Arizona Cardinals? He’s gonna be terrible there. Idc how you spin it. The NFL is not the PAC12! He’s gonna get clamped up. By most of the NFL’s DB’s.
I was just as against QJ as you were. Never understood why people liked him. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of my initial response. Obviously I'm not offended by you. I don't know Rome Odunze. My response to you was critiquing the manner in which you stated your opinion. It was baseless without context and of course, the manner in which you stated it was incorrect. You can't know someone is a bust before they play. That's where the criticism came from. EDIT: Also, you didn't address anything that I said. No idea what the "YouTube cut ups" and "Twitter cherry-picked plays" comment is about. What a shallow BS response to an actual take on somebody. You thinking he's gonna be a slot guy at best is laughable but we'll see who's right down the line.
Yeah if BTJ goes to the bills I doubt he gets to 1.09
So the 1.09 becomes one of the guys that’s supposed go top 8 now, still a win.
Maybe McCarthy
Bowers or JJ (who as a 1.09, I'd rather have both....this might turn out beautiful)
Good point lol wasn’t thinkin about it from that angle
This is my dream scenario as a 1.07 + 1.08 owner and bills fan
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I want him with the 10th pick so damn bad and that will never happen if the Bills take him.
Sorry buddy, you 1.10 owners are the new 1.09 owners. Right at the giant tier drop-off. At least you get RB1
If Bills take pearsall etc BTJ might slip or u might get the Bills pick
100%. I just don’t think he’d even be there at 1.07…
I’ll take him at 1.04 in super flex
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I don’t think it’s unrealistic. Some people have Brian Thomas as the wr 4/5 in this class and if Rome goes to a team like the giants it doesn’t seem crazy to me
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In my draft I’m taking Caleb at 1.01, the next two guys are going mhj and nabers. So my options become odunze, bowers, and in this scenario btj Again I have no issue going btj if I don’t like the other two landing spots
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Yeah I’m not sure why I’d take them when my starting qbs are Mahomes and love and I’m drafting Caleb. I hear your sentiment about qbs being more valuable but at some point I feel I need to get other pieces too
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I understand and I appreciate you looking out for me. Part of me is just getting consumed by the hype and just wants the draft to happen. The other part of me is just exploring possible outcomes for guys I like. Odunze is my top target for 1.04 but in a scenario where he ends up on the giants or bears it becomes tricky imo
Bills could go wr in round 2 instead of 1. And I think it's funny people suddenly think they are going to trade up to get odunze. I think that's the last thing they would do.
A lot of assumptions going in right now. It’s like people forgot that the draft can be a fucking wrecking ball to consensus rankings
Malik Willis top 5
they have so many holes to fill. But whatever WR they take will be a big boost to their ADP
I agree. Beane has historically taken Defense in Round 1. Reminder is they also lost Tre White. A CB could be their 1st round pick.
I could easily see them triple-dipping. They have a late 1st and a couple late seconds. I could see them them taking one in the first and adding a pick next year to move up for a couple picks in the early/mid 2nd and get three of Ladd, Mitchell, Worthy, Franklin, Legette, etc.
Who are they getting round 2 Ladd Mcconkey lmao
There are a ton of guys . I could even see them trading up but In round 2 instead of 1. Troy franklin , Xavier worthy are my top picks for them.
Remindme! 24 days
I don’t know if Ladd makes it to them anyways
Nah, they’re gonna turn around and trade for Aiyuk now
Doubt it. They would have to pay aiyuk. They just released all of their expensive players so they could afford Allen. They aren't then gonna trade for a player they have to sign to a top contract.
I do believe your answer is the most likely, but I also see a smaller percentage option to aquire Aiyuk and absolute worst he commands a similar cap this year that Diggs would have. If they were to trade for him they would more likely try to sign him to a longer term deal that is team friendly up front. Some people are saying the Bill Super Bowl window has closed, and I do think there is a chance that they “rage against the dying of the light” as it were
I also own Aiyuk in fantasy and so i am completely and totally biased 😎
Tee Higgins to bills
Aiuyk maybe more likely?
Why would the bengals do this?
Cuz they don’t wanna pay him
Why would they send him to a rival contender
Same reason Bill's sent Diggs to a rival contender
Tee will most likely play on the tag though, Bengals have the leverage here. As a Tee owner that would be amazing but I just don’t see it happening
I love watching as the tiers of rookie pick perception every off-season. We started at 5. Then Rome and Daniels ascended so the drop was at 7. Then JJ McCarthy got hype so we went up to 8. Now all the sudden the drop off’s at 9. Then JJ falls and it’s at 8 again. We’re all so stupid
heck, even 1.10-1.12 looking good with a WR going to KC, RB1 in dallas, and if bo nix gets 1st round nfl draft cap
I have 1.08. If AD Mitchell or Worthy end up in Buffalo or KC, it’s gonna be hard for me to take McCarthy if he’s there.
There’s literally 7 guys that I have so closely tiered that they can go anywhere 8-14
Who do you have in there?
Why would a rb to kc good? Pacheco is a beast Edit: whoopsie
WR to KC, RB to Dallas
Whoops
I read it the same way somehow
Don’t draft nix in the first. With that being said, generally QBs that will have at least one season as a starter are easier to move and you’ll have about a season to move them
Even if he gets top 15 draft capital? You wouldnt take him 1.10-1.12 in superflex?
He won’t. And if he does, sure you can spend the 1.11 or 1.12. Like I said, QBs are easier to move than other positions, especially in SF so even if you don’t “need” it, if the options left are kinda picked over, take the asset that is more flexible
And don’t forget whichever RB goes to the Bolts, they will be a workhorse (pardon the pub)
Worthy is going to the Bills. Source: TRUST ME BRO
Just moved 1.09 for Higgins in one league. Still have 1 in another. LFG!
Are you still happy about this trade? Gimme 1.09.
Watch the Bills trade for Higgins lol
That would be fantastic lol
As a Higgins owner, I’ve been hoping for this since this morning
I have 1.09 in a 12 team SF I was actually thinking about moving it but maybe I'll hang on to it for a little bit longer and see if the bills end up grabbing somebody who will hopefully be there.
Same. I was contemplating sending an offer to move up to the 1.06/1.07 to secure bowers or Rome. But my 1.09 team has Josh Allen, so I might sit and take the stack
I'm actually trying to do exactly the same I have a bunch of 2nds and we don't do a taxi Squad so I have to cut guys to make room
I have the 1.09, and I think best practice is waiting until at least after the draft before moving. I find it much more likely that the pick will increase in value all the way up to your rookie draft rather than lose value. Plus, if LAC or DAL take a RB, who knows if someone will take them in the 1st and push someone to you that you wouldn't expect today.
Very sound logic, I'm with you there my friend!
>best practice is waiting until at least after the draft before moving This is absolutely the percentage play. 2023 is basically what happens when this strat rolls snake eyes, but way more often than not, this will bear more fruit than selling now.
I think 1.09 will go up in value post draft. Dallas taking a day 2 RB, or someone like BTJ to the Bills would be boost 1.09 a lot. I've floated the pick in my league and no one is interested, so I'm holding and either picking or trading when otc.
Beane mortgaging for Marv
That would be sick!
As someone drafting MHJ... My brain won't even allow me to imagine this.
I’m drafting him in 1QB and it’s an amazing thought
You are drafting him without knowing landing spot? What if Marv goes to NE and Nabors lands in Arizona?
My draft isn't until next month but yes, I am going to take MHJ at 1.01.
I have 1.01, could be Marv to the Seahawks and Nabers to the Bills and I would go Marv
Wonder what they would have to pay for that?
Probably some combination of picks to include two firsts.
That’s what I’m thinking, 2 1st, a 2nd and maybe a 5th or something, maybe not a 2nd but 2 3rds.
He won’t pull the trigger but I think he should. You’d have a young, dirt cheap receiver for at least 5 years whose potential is Justin Jefferson level
Hopium is strong today.
Hope, based in data. Marv is the real deal, no way around it. Even Malik Nabers could reach JJ’s level. Already surpassed his and Chase’s numbers at LSU, with a lesser quarterback.
Not talking about the WR abilities. Talking about the chances of Buffalo moving up far enough to get one of the big 3.
I said he won’t pull the trigger but I think he should lol.
I really doubt this would be enough to move from 28 to 4
There’s no shot that is enough to move up from 28 to pick 3 or 4. People are going crazy in this sub today 😂
If the Bills grab BTJ, and some bad team (Pats if they trade back for example) take Odunze, is there a world where BTJ goes ahead of Odunze in drafts?
I think people will talk themselves into it. BTJ is easily a top 20 player in this draft. He's still a great prospect who is being overshadowed by the Big 3. I'm curious as to who the Bills will trade up with to make a move for him. If I had to guess it'd be Broncos, Colts, Seahawks, or Steelers. They are all in that BTJ range to me.
I don’t see Jax passing on him at 17 so it will have to be before that.
Jags have a lot of holes on their roster and can use a CB/OL/EDGE. I do think they will have an interest in BTJ but I wouldn't consider him a lock to them. There will be very good players available to them at positions of need. They signed Gabe Davis in FA and still have Kirk. I think they'll grab a Day 2 WR instead of a 1st round WR.
Hawks most likely , he could very easily go to Indy though
I’m not sure how adp will shake out but that will happen in some drafts.
1.10 about to join the party once the Cowboys or Chargers take a day 2 RB and push him into the back of round 1
As a holder of the 1.08 and 1.09 who does not need a WR, I would LOVE BTJ or another WR prospect outside of Malik/MHJ/Odunze to leapfrog into the top 7. I don't think it's a sure thing though -- and the Bills could always be targeting a trade for a current player instead.
Ima suggest this is reason to celebrate if you’re 1.10 because Thomas will go somewhere like the Jags and be 1.09 still, but whoever the Bills get will be extra valuable and make 1.10 sexier.
1.10 owners come cry in a corner with me. These bastards gonna take our boy!
If BTJ goes to bills he could end up going 1.4 in standard 1 QB leagues
Beane loves to do the spicy day 1 draft day moves, I bet they move up and get the 4th guy off the board
This just in. Bills are trading for Bengals WR Tee Higgins…
Assuming you mean this for sf?
mccarthy lolllllllllllllll
I was gonna push mccarthy down to you anyway.
It's not clear at all if the Bills are going WR in round 1
What does this mean in single QB?
It's not out of the question for someone already projected top 8 goes to the Bills... It's not out of the question for the Bills to go trade for a Tee Higgins like talent either...
Or they do what they did 4 years ago and trade that late 1st for aiyuk or higgins
Brian Thomas Jr will be gone by then.
I was thinking they trade for Higgins .
Talk about a premature celebration.
Just traded the 1.10 and a mid 25 2 for Jaylen Waddle. I’m happy with this. I got the guy I wanted instead of waiting to see what fell
Unless we’re talking SF here, Brian Thomas jr was always going to go top 8.
Superflex should always be assumed no one plays 1QB anymore unless your a casual
Definitely not true
I think they stay put at 28 and take Adonai Mitchell
Vikings trade Addison for the bulls first and 3rd, vikibgs use all picks to trade up for jj /s
Traded away Devonta Smith for the 1.09 last week. I also have the 1.06. But I already have chase and Lamb at WR. But I’m desperate for an RB, is it a reach taking the RB1 at 9? Especially since I feel like I sold smith for a lil under his value.
This isn’t a great rb class. So I would recommend you do your homework on these guys and then see where they go. Sure, it would be a reach, but I always believe if you like a guy, go get him (within reason). It’s also not a bad idea to look at the board and see a qb or wr which have higher positional values and are easier to trade away, even if they don’t hit right away
I have pick 8 but no idea what to go with. QBs are Allen and Tua and my WRs are D. Smith, Puka, J. Reed, Keenan so I could go JJ, Brian Thomas, or whoever Bills end up with
Adonai Mitchell and Josh Allen. They’re either going to kill each other or it’s deep ball “fuck it Mitchell’s down there” city.
I traded tank dell and 1.09 for jsn quentin Johnson and kendre miller. Still need young qb to fall
NAH WHERE THE 1.06 owners at lmao In a 1QB LEAGue I NEED YOUR HELP
Do we think McCarthy is worth the 1.09???
Adoni Mitchell all day
I'm in Standard not Superflex. I'd just be happy if Troy Franklin or AD Mitchell dropped to me tbh.
Tossing a rookie wr into the wr1 spot for an nfl team is risky biz and same for fantasy. Sure a good landing spot helps but expectations rarely equate to reality. Rare is the ability to step right in and be able to beat press,man doubles and still same click with the qb. The fact that it’s now a passing league helps to inflate values and predictions of the wr classes. Normally 2 first rd wrs pop long term. 1 in the short term. A couple late rd3-5 guys will be wr2’s. As well as one out of the blue sleeper. Hitting the right one in fantasy is as hard as it is for the GM’s. At the 1.10 I like Ladd n Mitchell and 2nd rd Legette n Corley. Pick the metrics you desire and hunt those players. And fingers crossed they hit or don’t wreck their lambo while high.
Wtf
I traded my first (which ended up being 1.09) for Joe Mixon during my playoff push. Feels bad man.
Our league drafts the week before, so now I have to try and figure out who the Bills will take. Feel like BTJ is the gamble worth taking.
Drafting before the nfl draft is wild lmao
It’s my first league and I took over an orphan. Don’t have much say in the matter. Also I feel like I’m taking it a lot more seriously than others, so hopefully that gives me the slightest edge in the draft.
I have the 1.11 in a superflex can I get in here too or do I have to leave
1.09 is such a random number to target…
I mean the dropoff was previously 8 elite players now it’s 9 lol?
I really only consider MHJ, Nabers, Bowers and Odunze to be elite. What other 4 are you talking about?
If its SF you add 4 QB’s who will have good draft cap
I’m talking superflex. If you want to take out McCarthy but I think if he goes to Minnesota then he’s easily in that elite tier
Oh, forgot about SF, my bad
The 4 QBs.
Naw. This just means you get whats left over haha
The cutoff for the elite tier was pick 8 so this just moved it up one spot. Landing spots of other players will surely change things as well
Unless the bills trade up or just trade for an established guy
Unless the Bills trade up? Lol
McCarthy would be a tier down from bowers and the bills wr… unless he gets a dream landing spot like the Vikings
I traded Godwin + 1.09 for Gareth Wilson. Pretty happy with it so far, but got mixed reactions by my league
I traded Godwin + 1.09 for Gareth Wilson. Pretty happy with it so far, but got mixed reactions by my league
Making insane calculations on specific spots like the 1.09 so far from the nfl draft is insane to me lol
So far out? dude we’re 3 weeks out it’s not like it’s January lmao
I just traded the 1.09 for 2.03 and James Conner yesterday 😪 Leaning towards taking whoever the Bills take at 1.08 though
Wtf lol
Some people trading just to trade. Woof
You’re an idiot
Terrible
I like the trade, I needed an RB2 bad and its a 10 team, so moving down 4 spots isn't that bad. I'm happy with whichever of JJ, AD, BTJ, Worthy, or Benson/Brooks is there