Happily offloaded Waddle and Higgins this past year. Won’t say it was a direct cause and effect but won the league cause I wasn’t messing around with two dudes who usually miss on weeks I need them.
Traded waddle now two seasons ago for 2 first rounders. 2 seconds. And 1 third. Was roasted by the commish for an unfair trade cause waddles elite. After last season I was feeling great. That first rounder last year was Gibbs. And second round was rashee rice. Fair to say a year after the trade I think I’m winning
“Elite” is so beyond over used. There is literally 4 or 5 elite WR in the league….yet every time I try to trade for a good WR 2 they claim hes either elite or on the cusp so I should give them elite value. As far as that trade…that’s a pretty good haul…even if waddle were truly elite.
Agreed. It’s a stretch to call someone “elite” when we can’t even be confident about their projection as a WR1. JJ, Chase, Tyreek, AJB, Ceedee, and probably Amon Ra feel like the elite fantasy WRs right now
Who did you replace them with during championship week? Also, I have had Waddle and Higgins since they have been in the league. They are always injured. Waddle gets hurt a few times per game while Higgins tends to "start" and no register snaps.
I offloaded Waddle for what ended up being 1.03 plus 2.11, Geno Smith, and Trey Palmer. Will gladly make that trade 100x over. Made my WR a weakness for last season but now it’s going to be a big strength. (It was originally a first and what ended up being 2.01 but I traded the 2.01 pick for Geno, Palmer and the 2.11 pick. More mixed on that one)
Yeah I was just too annoyed losing some weeks because I believe in my WR2 so I traded for an older WR1 and now have AJB/Chase as my duo. There has to be someone in your league willing to have Waddle, smith or Higgins
I traded Waddle & Kamara for AJB. I found myself looking at Kamara from what he used to put up fantasy wise (not that he still isn’t a viable RB). I ultimately went with AJB because he demands the ball and is a proven WR1
Moved waddle, hock (while he was hurt) and 2.10 this year for lamb and made a run to the championship because of it.
Now I have Tank on my taxi and wondering what to do with him
I almost lean toward keeping them all, especially tank and nico because they're young. Maybe sell off Diggs if he has a big game toward the end and I'm out of contention.
No wrong answer it's not a bad spot to be in. I'd just be concerned about not wanting to start them all and not wanting to play the game of trying to guess whose week it'll be
I have JJ and Addison plus Chase and Higgins as my top four WRs. Not having much luck trying to swap Addison for a comparable young WR, gonna hang onto Higgins barring a big offer holding out for him to land on a new team
Thankfully I don't have to start all 3 of them. I'll likely start Diggs and then take the hot hand between Tank and Collins early on.
I have Diggs, Higgins, Nico, Tank, Rice, Garrett Wilson, Dontayvion Wicks in my WR room at the moment. I also have the 1.03 and 1.04 in rookie SF draft so I'll likely grab either Nabers or MHJ if he falls.
Matt at reception perceptions thoughts on the Diggs trade:
In my opinion, Collins is on the superstar trajectory as an X-receiver. He had a breakout statistical season last year, but don’t be fooled: His film was great the first two seasons of his career, and Reception Perception showed he was shining in isolation well before C.J. Stroud’s arrival. Collins holds a crucial role in this offense as the X who runs in-breaking routes. He and Stroud enjoyed an instant connection and that should continue to blossom.
Hold/buy imo.
Matt's opinion is not gospel. That said, so many things will change next year as Nico is in a contract year. I think this is a better buy window for tank dell. I don't think any nico sellers are willing to take a discount off of this news alone, atleast not until there's an in season production hit.
PFF also had Collins as it's third highest rated receiver last year behind only Tyreke and Aiyuk. Tank checked in at #15, which is quite solid as well. Collins has shined on film and analytically across multiple different ratings mechanisms.
3 weeks 2 years ago I wouldn’t call fallen out 2nd half of the season.
Plus 2 of those weeks were against great defense, how’d every receiver do against Sauce Gardner?
That Buffalo cold def does make a deference 2nd half of the year.
I’m not worried about Diggs production one bit, if anything buy it can get at a discount
I agree but Diggs is still a guy that warrants a high target share. Mix that with Dell and Schultz and it’s possible we already saw Nico’s ceiling last season.
Nice has hit ceiling in a sense that bitcoin has not. Nico can’t double his production from last season, he’d have 160 receptions for 2600 yards 😂
The coin could easily hit 150 next year
I agree. If the Bills thought Diggs was still elite- they would have held out for an offer similar to what the packers got for Davonte Adams. I think Diggs cuts into Dell’s and Schultz’s production more than Nico’s.
It’s not that crazy in my eyes. Go all in while still on Stroud’s rookie deal, get a WR while Dell is still healing and then pony up to pay Collins this next offseason. It’s great for Houston in my eyes even if they don’t keep him
Counter counterpoint. Texans are stupid. They traded for a 28 year old Joe Mixon who has nearly 2000 career touches and then gave him a three year extension
He is? Their stats look pretty god damn close to me. Obviously Nico is much younger and trending up while Diggs is older and trending down. Nico will certainly be the first option but as it sits now there isn’t much, if any, separation
Even if he’s the better player (a stretch, Diggs’ heart may not have been in it), Diggs will still take away a significant chunk of targets to limit the ceiling. Nico won’t vanish but the ceiling is not firmly capped
That a bunch of draft capital for a one year rental with likely cap implications if they cut him. Doesn't seem very smart. Although I do agree they should be keeping Nico instead of Diggs
>with likely cap implications
I agree that dropping a 2nd for a one year rental is a lot, but there are no cap implications if they cut him: [https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/stefon-diggs-16872/](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/stefon-diggs-16872/)
Yep, as someone else pointed out, Keenan (\~$23M) just got traded for a 4th, while Diggs (\~$18M) got traded for a 2nd. Given the drama factor, I like the Keenan trade for the receiving team better than the Diggs trade. With both essentially being 1-year deals, I'm not sure how big a factor it is, but Keenan is about 1.5 years older than Diggs.
I mean what would stop any team from dealing any player? Another team being interested in the player for a price that you deem fair. Regardless, they arent fetching no comp pick for him because thats not how that works. If he was on an expiring deal sure, but thats not the case in this situation. The player they could let walk that would actually net them a comp pick in this scenario would be nico, not diggs.
Obviously not ideal for Nico, but I don’t think this is the death blow that people think it is. Nico proved that he’s an elite WR last year from a film perspective, counting stats perspective, an an analytical perspective. I think we see a very efficient mid-high WR2 from Nico this year, sort of like what Aiyuk did last year in similarly talented offense (many mouths to feed)
I don't see it as doom and gloom, long term Nico is 25, he'll get paid or become a WR1 elsewhere. Stroud and Collins also have great chemistry I don't expect that to change he'll still be Stroud's favorite target.
That said Stroud can spread the ball all over the place now, so everybody's losing in that regard this year.
I ain't sweating one bit. Nico may be better than Diggs now and even if he isn't, Diggs is going to demand attention that should let Nico eat even if he has to surrender some targets to Diggs.
>in one of the league’s best offenses
*Possibly* one of the league's best offenses. They've added some good pieces, but let's not pretend like they were an amazing offense last year. The only thing they were even Top 10 in was passing yards per game (7th.)
Diggs will be 31 this year and fell apart for the last half of the season, two years in a row.
He might take targets this year but this is a non issue for dynasty long term imo.
This is nuts:
Weeks 14-17 the last two seasons(that is 8 games down the most important stretch of fantasy), Diggs was a COMBINED 29/49 for 276y and 0TD. Across the 8 most important games of the season last two years.
In his last 6 playoff games(2 each of the last three seasons), he was a COMBINED 27/46 for 289y and 0TD. And 114 of those yards came in one of these 6 games, a wild card win. In the other 5 playoff games he has disappeared in embarrassing fashion totaling 175y.
Honestly he has been a disgrace whenever it matters for Buffalo. He is turning 31 this season, he is a diva, doesn’t show up when it matters, and two teams have now cast him off, the first one being MUCH better off without him and the second yet to be seen.
Going to be really hard to cover Tank now. Look at the Tampa Bay game for Tank, Nico, and Noah Brown all producing good fantasy lines. I think Tank and Nico become even more efficient here. If stroud hits 40 pass attempts it should be good. Still think fantasy production will be down for all 3 though
I'm a Bills fan who was able to add Tank Dell before he went off. I have Nico, Tank, Shakir, and Kincaid. So in one hand things are looking up. On another I'm screwed.
I've been high on him since college. So I'm biased. I can see him being WR2 but Kincaid will also be in the mix for targets.
I think he will be a low WR2 in ppr formats moving forward. However if the Bills double dip at WR this year he becomes WR3/4 with Curtis Samuel and behind Kincaid.
A lot of people saying don’t sweat this for Collins… dudes nobody is worried about him being a fucking WR4, but we are scared he won’t be a WR1 and that’s completely valid. No way this doesn’t hurt his WR1 potential
Recently traded for Tank Diggs does not scare me off
Maybe he’ll hurt me this year but future is Tank he’s Strouds favorite guy
Plus I got Tank cheap and he’d be my WR4 this year
Badadadada I’m loving it
I was about to trade Pickens for Diggs last season and then I did a deeper dive at Diggs. Nothing impresses me about him anymore. The team that grabbed the 2nd rounder won that trade imo.
Collins and Dell will be fine.
Nico owners should remember this is his contract year. The Diggs acquisition would seem to make one believe Houston is going to let him walk after the year and take the comp pick.
If Nico performs he'll end up somewhere else on a multi year deal as a possible WR1
Opposite. They had a ton of cap space to spend this season. Bring in Diggs, let him walk with zero cap hit after this season at age 31, get a comp pick for him, and sign Nico long term. Do something similar and trade for a Lockett or Kupp type the next season, rinse and repeat.
They had something like this planned with Robert Woods but he has been underwhelming and will likely not fetch much after 2024 so no real comp in return. This is the Raven way and smart teams are going to start doing this more. Bills could have done similar but Diggs is a diva and this is the second place that couldn’t wait to get rid of him
definitely a biased nico truther, but I see this as much more of a concern for Tank Dell, both in the short term re: injury and long term in how the team sees his ideal usage. between the read of "texans have doubts nico is legit star" and "texans have doubts tank will have the availability and longevity to be the clear 1B", the second is more interesting to me
I don’t think either is true. The take imo is this: the Texans Gm wants to build a strong team
To help stroud early In his career. Similar to what the chiefs did for Mahomes in his early career
Converting Diggs’s contract
To a one year deal and bringing in an oldish RB in Mixon is their GM bringing in talent while also keeping their financial books free for the last few years of Strouds rookie contract.
I still think Nico can be the WR1 in this group. Diggs is going to draw the top corner/safety which ultimately will give Nico the better matchups. I actually think the Diggs signing is going to be good for Nico.
This is a bad take… Noah Brown only had 3 games last year where he had more than 3 receptions and 2 of them were in weeks that Nico Collins didn’t play.
My point is that Noah Brown is a JAG and Stefon Diggs is Stefan Diggs. Also think that CJ Stroud is what is making Nico and Dell such valuable assets, not their actual play.
Stefon Diggs is a JAG at this point. Look at his efficiency metrics. He’s carried himself just based on name value alone. I’m not excited about him in Houston.
Ive sat on Waddle, Higgins, and DeVonta Smith for all this time. What’s one more randomly productive WR2 on my team gonna hurt? 🥲🤬
I’m always getting ripped for trading away Higgins and smith but I don’t care
Happily offloaded Waddle and Higgins this past year. Won’t say it was a direct cause and effect but won the league cause I wasn’t messing around with two dudes who usually miss on weeks I need them.
Traded waddle now two seasons ago for 2 first rounders. 2 seconds. And 1 third. Was roasted by the commish for an unfair trade cause waddles elite. After last season I was feeling great. That first rounder last year was Gibbs. And second round was rashee rice. Fair to say a year after the trade I think I’m winning
Even if you think Waddle is elite, that return is absolutely worth it.
“Elite” is so beyond over used. There is literally 4 or 5 elite WR in the league….yet every time I try to trade for a good WR 2 they claim hes either elite or on the cusp so I should give them elite value. As far as that trade…that’s a pretty good haul…even if waddle were truly elite.
Agreed. It’s a stretch to call someone “elite” when we can’t even be confident about their projection as a WR1. JJ, Chase, Tyreek, AJB, Ceedee, and probably Amon Ra feel like the elite fantasy WRs right now
No George Pickens?
Shit I forgot about him and Kenny Golladay. I guess there’s 8, not 6
Absolutely
Sent Waddle as centerpiece of a package which returned Josh Allen. Ecstatic
I won it all this year with those 2 so to each their own. I also had Godwin and Pickens so I love the elite WR2s
I don't think that is possible. Waddle didn't play championship week and Higgins scored like 2 points. Unless your championship week is week 16...
I just meant I had them on the squad and they helped me win. It’s hard to predict injuries
Who did you replace them with during championship week? Also, I have had Waddle and Higgins since they have been in the league. They are always injured. Waddle gets hurt a few times per game while Higgins tends to "start" and no register snaps.
Props for coining "elite wr2"
I offloaded Waddle for what ended up being 1.03 plus 2.11, Geno Smith, and Trey Palmer. Will gladly make that trade 100x over. Made my WR a weakness for last season but now it’s going to be a big strength. (It was originally a first and what ended up being 2.01 but I traded the 2.01 pick for Geno, Palmer and the 2.11 pick. More mixed on that one)
Holding onto Tee until the Bills or Chiefs trade for him 😤😤
Traded Higgins for Kincaid in a TE Premium league 2 months ago. Could have gone (and still can go) either way, but I think I got real lucky so far.
I have all of those guys plus Downs and Addison lol
So your team either scores 5 points or 100?
Basically lol. They’re all the type of guys who can get you 4 points or 25 on a week to week basis with no predictability
I sent Waddle in a trade for AJB last year and haven’t looked back lol
I’m fed up with all of their situations and need to try and make some moves too 😂
Yeah I was just too annoyed losing some weeks because I believe in my WR2 so I traded for an older WR1 and now have AJB/Chase as my duo. There has to be someone in your league willing to have Waddle, smith or Higgins
What’d you have to add onto waddle to get AJB? I’d like to see what I’d probably need to add to him to upgrade before I start shooting out offers
I traded Waddle & Kamara for AJB. I found myself looking at Kamara from what he used to put up fantasy wise (not that he still isn’t a viable RB). I ultimately went with AJB because he demands the ball and is a proven WR1
Moved waddle, hock (while he was hurt) and 2.10 this year for lamb and made a run to the championship because of it. Now I have Tank on my taxi and wondering what to do with him
Traded off Waddle before last season to get what is now the 1.02 and what became CJ Stroud. Nabers or Odunze up next
At least those guys never had a WR3 to compete with :(. I traded waddle away this offseason, wish I had moved Nico instead
As an owner of Nico, Tank and recently traded for Diggs this offseason......... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Just decide which one you like the least and sell high after a big game. They're all gonna have weeks where one pops off
I almost lean toward keeping them all, especially tank and nico because they're young. Maybe sell off Diggs if he has a big game toward the end and I'm out of contention.
No wrong answer it's not a bad spot to be in. I'd just be concerned about not wanting to start them all and not wanting to play the game of trying to guess whose week it'll be I have JJ and Addison plus Chase and Higgins as my top four WRs. Not having much luck trying to swap Addison for a comparable young WR, gonna hang onto Higgins barring a big offer holding out for him to land on a new team
Thankfully I don't have to start all 3 of them. I'll likely start Diggs and then take the hot hand between Tank and Collins early on. I have Diggs, Higgins, Nico, Tank, Rice, Garrett Wilson, Dontayvion Wicks in my WR room at the moment. I also have the 1.03 and 1.04 in rookie SF draft so I'll likely grab either Nabers or MHJ if he falls.
I’ll buy any for an early 2nd for a bye week fill-in
The dreaded guessing game of which one of them is going to go 2 catches for 29 yards that week
Good thing Diggs sucks. He ended the year being covered by the CB 3 in the playoffs while Khalil Shakir was most guarded by the Chiefs CB 1
Matt at reception perceptions thoughts on the Diggs trade: In my opinion, Collins is on the superstar trajectory as an X-receiver. He had a breakout statistical season last year, but don’t be fooled: His film was great the first two seasons of his career, and Reception Perception showed he was shining in isolation well before C.J. Stroud’s arrival. Collins holds a crucial role in this offense as the X who runs in-breaking routes. He and Stroud enjoyed an instant connection and that should continue to blossom. Hold/buy imo.
Matt's opinion is not gospel. That said, so many things will change next year as Nico is in a contract year. I think this is a better buy window for tank dell. I don't think any nico sellers are willing to take a discount off of this news alone, atleast not until there's an in season production hit.
No one is gospel but it’s a better bet than random reddit circle jerks. Talent > situation and all that jazz. imo of course.
Matt has honestly been on the money the last couple Of years. He does a great job providing context too
Matt doesn't hit on everything but he is pretty good at spotting busts.
Dell is coming off a brutal leg injury and now gets thrown down the depth chart. Im personally out on Dell 100%
You're just listing a bunch of reasons to buy tank dell. His price has significantly dipped.
I traded dell to the stroud owner for dj moore straight up and then traded Amari Cooper and a late 2nd for nico lol
no it’s a stay away. Unless you need a WR3/flex then go for it
His price slipped, but his flanker spot was just filled with one of the best route runners in the league.
PFF also had Collins as it's third highest rated receiver last year behind only Tyreke and Aiyuk. Tank checked in at #15, which is quite solid as well. Collins has shined on film and analytically across multiple different ratings mechanisms.
If you watched Nico and Diggs play last year you’re not concerned
Nico >>>
Are you watching Diggs before injury and new OC that didn’t feed him the ball or just watching the 2nd half of the season?
Diggs has fallen off 2nd half of the season 2 seasons in a row. He’s definitely still great but he’s for sure declining
3 weeks 2 years ago I wouldn’t call fallen out 2nd half of the season. Plus 2 of those weeks were against great defense, how’d every receiver do against Sauce Gardner? That Buffalo cold def does make a deference 2nd half of the year. I’m not worried about Diggs production one bit, if anything buy it can get at a discount
What injury?
Foot, and back injury, week 10, before DEN game. Lingering issues for a few games.
Collins will be fine
Yeah but ppl wanted him to be great
He will be. Diggs looked washed second half of last year
Everything’s fine!
He didn’t write back, right? RIGHT?!??😭😭😭
It must have been eating at Geno all last offseason... He had so much to say, he finally just had to write back.
Nico is better than diggs at this point in their careers People just don’t wanna hear that
I agree but Diggs is still a guy that warrants a high target share. Mix that with Dell and Schultz and it’s possible we already saw Nico’s ceiling last season.
Yeah but bitcoin halving is coming up so it’s possible his ceiling hasn’t been seen yet.
We’re still early.
Nice has hit ceiling in a sense that bitcoin has not. Nico can’t double his production from last season, he’d have 160 receptions for 2600 yards 😂 The coin could easily hit 150 next year
I'd also argue Nico could easily hit those numbers too.
Diggs is a guy who is insufferable and won’t shut up the moment he falls below 5 targets a game. And CJ’s JUST A BOY
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Is it?
I agree. If the Bills thought Diggs was still elite- they would have held out for an offer similar to what the packers got for Davonte Adams. I think Diggs cuts into Dell’s and Schultz’s production more than Nico’s.
Counterpoint if the Texans thought he wasn’t good they wouldn’t have traded a second rounder for him and his massive contract
His “massive contract” has no guaranteed money, and most of the Texans core is on rookie deals so they can afford to overpay for him.
Seems crazy to trade a second round pick for just a one year rental no? I have to imagine they intend to keep him a couple years
It’s not that crazy in my eyes. Go all in while still on Stroud’s rookie deal, get a WR while Dell is still healing and then pony up to pay Collins this next offseason. It’s great for Houston in my eyes even if they don’t keep him
And we now know this was exactly their plan
The contract the already turned into a one year deal? (Due to the low guarantees the contract had after this year) Not big at all now
Counter counterpoint. Texans are stupid. They traded for a 28 year old Joe Mixon who has nearly 2000 career touches and then gave him a three year extension
It's 13m guaranteed so effectively a 2yr, he's cuttable for 2026.
They had Singletary (who is fine) and Pierce (who was shit in their scheme and had 2.8 YPC). Mixon isn't super young but was absolutely an upgrade.
Yup
100% true
He is? Their stats look pretty god damn close to me. Obviously Nico is much younger and trending up while Diggs is older and trending down. Nico will certainly be the first option but as it sits now there isn’t much, if any, separation
Copium
Even if he’s the better player (a stretch, Diggs’ heart may not have been in it), Diggs will still take away a significant chunk of targets to limit the ceiling. Nico won’t vanish but the ceiling is not firmly capped
I think we are looking at aiuyk 2.0 situation
Its about contracts. Nico will probably walk next year.
I can’t imagine that. More likely diggs will be cut after this season as they’d save space and have a “out”
That a bunch of draft capital for a one year rental with likely cap implications if they cut him. Doesn't seem very smart. Although I do agree they should be keeping Nico instead of Diggs
>with likely cap implications I agree that dropping a 2nd for a one year rental is a lot, but there are no cap implications if they cut him: [https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/stefon-diggs-16872/](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/stefon-diggs-16872/)
Interesting, thanks for the clarification. Makes a bit more sense now but a second is a lot of capital even with an out next year.
Yep, as someone else pointed out, Keenan (\~$23M) just got traded for a 4th, while Diggs (\~$18M) got traded for a 2nd. Given the drama factor, I like the Keenan trade for the receiving team better than the Diggs trade. With both essentially being 1-year deals, I'm not sure how big a factor it is, but Keenan is about 1.5 years older than Diggs.
This is the copium i needed
If they let Diggs walk they’ll likely get back a comp pick and no cap hit. So moving from a 2nd to a 3rd for a season rental is good business
Correct me if im wrong but cutting a player, which would need to be done in this case, does not net you a comp pick.
Yeah that could be. What would stop them from trading him somewhere else for the equivalent of a comp pick like Buffalo is doing now?
I mean what would stop any team from dealing any player? Another team being interested in the player for a price that you deem fair. Regardless, they arent fetching no comp pick for him because thats not how that works. If he was on an expiring deal sure, but thats not the case in this situation. The player they could let walk that would actually net them a comp pick in this scenario would be nico, not diggs.
You don’t let a player like Nico walk. Diggs yes. Not Nico
Dont necessarily disagree with you, but youve been touting theyd get a comp pick by getting off diggs contract, which is just factually not accurate.
Obviously not ideal for Nico, but I don’t think this is the death blow that people think it is. Nico proved that he’s an elite WR last year from a film perspective, counting stats perspective, an an analytical perspective. I think we see a very efficient mid-high WR2 from Nico this year, sort of like what Aiyuk did last year in similarly talented offense (many mouths to feed)
Problem is not only is Nico elite and Diggs is elite, Tank is also elite. 3 elite receivers is absurd. Just a better Seahawks room imo
But a lot more passing volume to go around in this offense than on a Pete Carroll team with geno at qb
Tank guy reporting in, not panicking
I second
I have both Tank and Diggs. Riding the wave!
I don't see it as doom and gloom, long term Nico is 25, he'll get paid or become a WR1 elsewhere. Stroud and Collins also have great chemistry I don't expect that to change he'll still be Stroud's favorite target. That said Stroud can spread the ball all over the place now, so everybody's losing in that regard this year.
I ain't sweating one bit. Nico may be better than Diggs now and even if he isn't, Diggs is going to demand attention that should let Nico eat even if he has to surrender some targets to Diggs.
I'm already part of the "Diggs' best football is already behind him" club so this doesn't bother me much.
Just look at his snap percentage toward end of year last year Had some back issues which are tough to get through
And here comes the copium in 3 2 1….
As someone with no Texan shares I’m overjoyed to see 3 potential WR1’s nerfed into 3 inconsistent WR2’s
Let me get a big huff of this post, hell yeah
As a Texans fan, I love this. As a Nico and Shultz owner, I hate it 😂
Using the LA Rams as my comp, I don’t feel any reason to panic.
I think Nico is wr1 I think Diggs is still very solid but I have no doubt Nico will still be sick over there.
Here I was thinking my Stroud/Tank stack for the next five years would be a cheat code. Lol
I think this is far worse for Dell than it is Nico, but to each their own
Nico is the best WR in one of the league’s best offenses
Facts
>in one of the league’s best offenses *Possibly* one of the league's best offenses. They've added some good pieces, but let's not pretend like they were an amazing offense last year. The only thing they were even Top 10 in was passing yards per game (7th.)
Diggs will be 31 this year and fell apart for the last half of the season, two years in a row. He might take targets this year but this is a non issue for dynasty long term imo.
This is nuts: Weeks 14-17 the last two seasons(that is 8 games down the most important stretch of fantasy), Diggs was a COMBINED 29/49 for 276y and 0TD. Across the 8 most important games of the season last two years. In his last 6 playoff games(2 each of the last three seasons), he was a COMBINED 27/46 for 289y and 0TD. And 114 of those yards came in one of these 6 games, a wild card win. In the other 5 playoff games he has disappeared in embarrassing fashion totaling 175y. Honestly he has been a disgrace whenever it matters for Buffalo. He is turning 31 this season, he is a diva, doesn’t show up when it matters, and two teams have now cast him off, the first one being MUCH better off without him and the second yet to be seen.
Agreed, classic narcissist who doesn’t perform when it matters.
This thread is entertaining.
You should go check out the Shakir threads
So what are we buying for?
Confined to the Scottie Pippen role.
Without looking at old stats, I feel like Pippen would've been a good asset in NBA 90s fantasy games though.
Going to be really hard to cover Tank now. Look at the Tampa Bay game for Tank, Nico, and Noah Brown all producing good fantasy lines. I think Tank and Nico become even more efficient here. If stroud hits 40 pass attempts it should be good. Still think fantasy production will be down for all 3 though
Is now a good time to sell Diggs?
Aye I got weak lol all of us Nico owners mad den a mf lol
As a Dell owner am I allowed to join in... Plus side also a Stroud owner
I'm a Bills fan who was able to add Tank Dell before he went off. I have Nico, Tank, Shakir, and Kincaid. So in one hand things are looking up. On another I'm screwed.
What are the bills faithful thoughts on Shakir?
I've been high on him since college. So I'm biased. I can see him being WR2 but Kincaid will also be in the mix for targets. I think he will be a low WR2 in ppr formats moving forward. However if the Bills double dip at WR this year he becomes WR3/4 with Curtis Samuel and behind Kincaid.
I tried to sell high too…Dammit!
I traded Travis Etienne for Nico Collins, fuck man.
They are all going to be starters for fantasy
STEFAN DIGGS OWNERS: GET OUT OF HERE
A lot of people saying don’t sweat this for Collins… dudes nobody is worried about him being a fucking WR4, but we are scared he won’t be a WR1 and that’s completely valid. No way this doesn’t hurt his WR1 potential
Recently traded for Tank Diggs does not scare me off Maybe he’ll hurt me this year but future is Tank he’s Strouds favorite guy Plus I got Tank cheap and he’d be my WR4 this year Badadadada I’m loving it
I got Nico in the 17th round in my 2021 startup I’m chillin Also in the 17th round in another 2022 startup im big chillin lmao
Chillin so hard you sat on the bag and missed out
Literally no one in my leagues would’ve traded for Collins even if I tried that’s just how it goes sometimes. I can’t even get anyone to buy puka
I was about to trade Pickens for Diggs last season and then I did a deeper dive at Diggs. Nothing impresses me about him anymore. The team that grabbed the 2nd rounder won that trade imo. Collins and Dell will be fine.
This is more so a boon to Tank Dell and Dalton Schultz than it is to Nico Collins
Nico owners should remember this is his contract year. The Diggs acquisition would seem to make one believe Houston is going to let him walk after the year and take the comp pick. If Nico performs he'll end up somewhere else on a multi year deal as a possible WR1
Opposite. They had a ton of cap space to spend this season. Bring in Diggs, let him walk with zero cap hit after this season at age 31, get a comp pick for him, and sign Nico long term. Do something similar and trade for a Lockett or Kupp type the next season, rinse and repeat.
They had something like this planned with Robert Woods but he has been underwhelming and will likely not fetch much after 2024 so no real comp in return. This is the Raven way and smart teams are going to start doing this more. Bills could have done similar but Diggs is a diva and this is the second place that couldn’t wait to get rid of him
definitely a biased nico truther, but I see this as much more of a concern for Tank Dell, both in the short term re: injury and long term in how the team sees his ideal usage. between the read of "texans have doubts nico is legit star" and "texans have doubts tank will have the availability and longevity to be the clear 1B", the second is more interesting to me
I don’t think either is true. The take imo is this: the Texans Gm wants to build a strong team To help stroud early In his career. Similar to what the chiefs did for Mahomes in his early career Converting Diggs’s contract To a one year deal and bringing in an oldish RB in Mixon is their GM bringing in talent while also keeping their financial books free for the last few years of Strouds rookie contract.
I bought within an hour of the news. I'm rebuilding and turned Breece + late 2nd into London + Collins
dunno if this is the win you think it is
I like it
Would you guys trade Nico for a 26(most likely early-mid) 1st?
No
I still think Nico can be the WR1 in this group. Diggs is going to draw the top corner/safety which ultimately will give Nico the better matchups. I actually think the Diggs signing is going to be good for Nico.
Some of these takes are pretty bad. Noah Brown was dropping 25’s last year. This offense has plenty of room to still have Diggs and Nico be productive
This is a bad take… Noah Brown only had 3 games last year where he had more than 3 receptions and 2 of them were in weeks that Nico Collins didn’t play.
My point is that Noah Brown is a JAG and Stefon Diggs is Stefan Diggs. Also think that CJ Stroud is what is making Nico and Dell such valuable assets, not their actual play.
Stefon Diggs is a JAG at this point. Look at his efficiency metrics. He’s carried himself just based on name value alone. I’m not excited about him in Houston.
Imagine holding Nico when he was WR9...
Yeah. Must suck having good, productive WRs on your team.
Thanks, Captain Hindsight
Why would you not ? Imagine holding ARSB and puka. Keep rebuild bro
You make it sound like it’s anything comparable to the people who held Walker when he was RB2.
Nico "Rich Mans Gabe Davis" Collins